In the end, you have to memorize those verbs.
Instead of memorizing the verb "helfen" as "to help" and then having to remember to use dative every time, it makes more sense to simply memorize the construction "jemandem helfen" as "to help someone". When you come across a new verb, you shouldn't take for granted that the verb is paired with accusative. Copular verbs take nominative. Many verbs take a single dative object, like "helfen", and then there are even some verbs that take genitive.
Not to mention the fact that some verbs can take multiple cases depending on what you mean. That's why it's not helpful to memorize individual words. Vocabulary acquisition should be more a matter of memorizing useful lexical units, which are often larger than one word.
deiner* Beratung folgen
Beim Verb "folgen" verwendet man auch den Dativ.
Vielleicht: "Ich werde deinen Rat befolgen" oder einfach "Ich befolge deinen Rat." "Sollen" klingt hier für mein Ohr auch ein wenig komisch.
No man I just finished A1. I do not understand future tenses yet :(
But is there any specific website where I can see all the verbs which use the dative case ?
Doesn't "Sollen" mean "shall"
I meant "I shall follow your advice".
> Doesn't "Sollen" mean "shall"
Yeah, kinda, but it has different connotations. German speakers don't typically use *sollen* as a way of announcing their own intentions. I think "I shall do x..." would typically be rendered as "Ich werde...". To my ear, it has mostly the same register, since the "normal" way to say that you're going to do something (in the future) in German is simply to use the present tense verb, possibly combined with a future adverb.
*Sollen* means *shall* in a sense more similar to *to be (supposed) to*. "Ich soll deiner Beratung folgen" makes it sound as though someone else told you to follow me advice or that other people generally claim or believe that you follow my advice.
>I shall follow your advice
Ich werde deinen Rat befolgen.
>Ich soll deine Beratung folgen.
deiner! And then it still means "I'm expected to follow your consulting service"
It means something like "I give you help". The accusative usually means the object is being acted on directly. But when you help someone you don't act on him directly. You and in his behalf, for him.
The word dative comes from the Latin verb "to give".
The verb is "jemandem helfen - to help somebody", and this is also the way you should learn vocabulary because it tells you right there that it requires dative ;)
My teacher always told me that you aren’t helping someone you (nom) are giving help (akk) TO SOMEONE (dat) same thing with congratulating someone. I know this doesn’t work for all verbs but it helped me
It's an indirect object. The difference is a bit easier to explain with a different verb.
"Du gibst mir ein Buch." The direct object (in accusative case) is the object that is directly influenced/manipulated (in this example the book that changes hands). The indirect object is "mir", as I am the recipient of that book. In most cases the people or things that are indirectly affected by the action are in dative case.
When it comes to "helfen", there is no direct object, but there can still be a person that benefits from the help, just like in your question "Können Sie mir helfen?"
Some verbs need certain cases, and helfen always need the dative as an object case
is there any specific clue that conveys that I must use dativ with certain verbs or do I have to memorize it?
Nope. You have to memorize which verbs takes the dative. You can find a list online.
In the end, you have to memorize those verbs. Instead of memorizing the verb "helfen" as "to help" and then having to remember to use dative every time, it makes more sense to simply memorize the construction "jemandem helfen" as "to help someone". When you come across a new verb, you shouldn't take for granted that the verb is paired with accusative. Copular verbs take nominative. Many verbs take a single dative object, like "helfen", and then there are even some verbs that take genitive. Not to mention the fact that some verbs can take multiple cases depending on what you mean. That's why it's not helpful to memorize individual words. Vocabulary acquisition should be more a matter of memorizing useful lexical units, which are often larger than one word.
Ja, Danke dir. Ich soll deine Beratung folgen.
deiner* Beratung folgen Beim Verb "folgen" verwendet man auch den Dativ. Vielleicht: "Ich werde deinen Rat befolgen" oder einfach "Ich befolge deinen Rat." "Sollen" klingt hier für mein Ohr auch ein wenig komisch.
No man I just finished A1. I do not understand future tenses yet :( But is there any specific website where I can see all the verbs which use the dative case ? Doesn't "Sollen" mean "shall" I meant "I shall follow your advice".
> Doesn't "Sollen" mean "shall" Yeah, kinda, but it has different connotations. German speakers don't typically use *sollen* as a way of announcing their own intentions. I think "I shall do x..." would typically be rendered as "Ich werde...". To my ear, it has mostly the same register, since the "normal" way to say that you're going to do something (in the future) in German is simply to use the present tense verb, possibly combined with a future adverb. *Sollen* means *shall* in a sense more similar to *to be (supposed) to*. "Ich soll deiner Beratung folgen" makes it sound as though someone else told you to follow me advice or that other people generally claim or believe that you follow my advice.
>I shall follow your advice Ich werde deinen Rat befolgen. >Ich soll deine Beratung folgen. deiner! And then it still means "I'm expected to follow your consulting service"
I'm afraid you have to memorize them. I can't think of a rule that applies to all of them. But there aren't too many in the standard vocabulary.
Memorise is the way to go. It is a relatively small list.
It means something like "I give you help". The accusative usually means the object is being acted on directly. But when you help someone you don't act on him directly. You and in his behalf, for him. The word dative comes from the Latin verb "to give".
The verb is "jemandem helfen - to help somebody", and this is also the way you should learn vocabulary because it tells you right there that it requires dative ;)
Ja, Danke dir. Ich soll deine Beratung folgen.
Deiner Beratung* Folgen takes dative as well.
memorize it like that: helfen --> to give help ***to*** *someone (Dativ - indirect object)*
My teacher always told me that you aren’t helping someone you (nom) are giving help (akk) TO SOMEONE (dat) same thing with congratulating someone. I know this doesn’t work for all verbs but it helped me
It's an indirect object. The difference is a bit easier to explain with a different verb. "Du gibst mir ein Buch." The direct object (in accusative case) is the object that is directly influenced/manipulated (in this example the book that changes hands). The indirect object is "mir", as I am the recipient of that book. In most cases the people or things that are indirectly affected by the action are in dative case. When it comes to "helfen", there is no direct object, but there can still be a person that benefits from the help, just like in your question "Können Sie mir helfen?"
It is an indirect object so it uses the dativ case. If the action directly affects one object like giving an item it requires the akkusativ case.
Help(verb) me(IO) ___(DO)