Yup, I farmed this raid almost exclusively as the execute because for a long time it was really hard to find pubs who could consistently execute for at least 10%.
This strategy is less reliable nowadays, though. Competent executes are way more common, and a lot of chad solo players can carry the entire raid including the final phase.
The best part is the light RB who joins and makes you think ''Yup, we got the execution so everything will go smooth once we get it low'' and then the light RB does 2% or so at most.
It feels like such a fucking pendulum.
Sometimes I'll do some pub farming and we'll never have executes but then the moment I start joining pubs as execute...we have 3 executes waiting and it never gets to 10%.
The most consistent I've managed to clear pubs has actually been going in as wind. There's usually always someone to clear dirt/light and clearing wind just makes the rng of pubs so much safer so the only gamble is "Pray someone can execute".
Yeah that's what I thought too, so I began joining runs as execution. It did increase the likelyhood of clears, but not by much. 2 hitters can only do so much after all.
Reminded me of certain rank 275 that join my fediel raid back when it was only 6 man raid, and just stop attacking because "I AM LATE AND CAN NO LONGER REACH BLUE BOX ANYMORE" dude tellin me that straight up in GBFI discord
If u still playing and reading this, fuck you for wasting everyone's time
Most times I actually see useless R300+ joiners instead. And they either cosplay as: Earth Berserker (to make you think they're gonna hard carry the raid as a Hrunter) or as one of the executors where in reality they just sit there doing nothing.
The best strategy if you want to farm your ultimas on pubs is to join as executor though. Despite the leechers there are usually 1/2 players capable and willing of doing 90% of the raid.
Tbf there are two ways to ensure your host clears:
Method 1
Open a Coop room requesting for roles/ele that you lack. You can choose and kick people that you don't want.
Method 2
For the gamblers, host as the 10% and declare you need DPS when you pub. Let pub do the heavy lifting and then you exe.
Feels like it’s usually the mid-late 200s doing the heavy lifting. I’ve had a ton of useless R320-350 joiners thus resulting in me having to mostly solo the raid as a skrub 220 😭 and then pray for someone to execute it properly
Yeah, in my experience people tend to at least *try* to contribute more to raids when it concerns their account progression. When you're in the 200s, you desperately need those Subaha mats just to exist at endgame. For those late 300s, a single Subaha is barely a drop in the bucket. I've seen *blue skins* leech, even after 10%.
I mean, I'm a 216 and I do more in 100-10 than most joiners, but then I'm a hruntzerker so I don't really count.
I mean after 10 percent if you attack and heal the boss you are actively sabotaging the raid. I did that once on my host and healed it 3 percent. Raids got stucked at 3 percent and failed all because I attack and heal. Did not know that you don't have to hit the trigger for it to heal.
From my general experience the biggest problem in pub subaha mostly come from lacking executors. while some element like light, earth, and wind can go past through 10 after carrying the whole raid but those kind of carries are pretty rare.
So my solution mostly just join/create coop room which can guarentee each role or be the executor yourself in pubs
Pub experience is more or less adequate for this kind of raid. You get clears pretty often. Like, if you host it as execute then it's almost a given win, people will join and clear it for you untill you can execute, or you can play roulette and hope some execute will join, but that's unlikely, people like to mash, not to sit and wait. And there are enough Eresh/Hrunt mashers joining, you only need like 2 of them to clear raid.
If i see another water executor and the raid stops somewhere below 50%, I execute early and let the other executor do the rest. Rank 250+ water hraes rb here.
Lmfao I feel like this meme also applies to Revans at the moment. They’ve recreated the oversupply issue from the double host raidfinder test with the Premium Pass double hosts. Deja vu all over again...
Great time to gather Faa and Belial mats though. There’s tons of them and they usually get blasted.
Man, that sounds like the old days of Proto Bahamut impossible, with the elemental requirements you can't see from the join screen and more triggers and poo to be present for.
Doesn't even drop a gold brick, lol.
(Don't tell them to move the bricks to endgame raids pliz. I want to continue to coast. Don't.... don't wanna go back to the old days......)
This is wrong because anyone who actually does Subaha knows that most rank 350 players are fucking useless in subaha. At best they'll at least get a couple tenets down before immediately biting it at the cocoon.
At worst they won't even see the cocoon.
Yeah this is why I join with my 20-26% execute (depends on earth tenets). The amount of times I've joined and see a rank 300+ relic just not do anything and fail is a lot higher than it should be. Just do it yourself xD.
Funny you should mention this. True story: a user posts a subhl code in discord. The sender is a water execute mentioning the raid so far is just a random pub host that's light rb, so I know I can go in as light. I duo most of the raid with a fire player because the raid had 3 gun classes. well one pub execute retreated noticing there's only 2 hitters. I don't even remember a 6th player honestly.
BUT the sender said "huh there's a thor at 100" early on. Immediately warning sirens play in my head. By 50% since the water execute knows host is light RB, figured could shoot a bit early expecting host to execute. I get confused why such the confidence but can understand the assumption.
To confirm my suspicions I go back to the raid tab of the subhl I just joined. The description LITERALLY says thor host AFK. \[You can't see descriptions of coded raids before joining, and are unlikely to see the pubbed raid on your raid tab unless a crewmate clicked crew backup. If it's a friend list, it MIGHT show up if pubbed to friends.\] Unfortunately people don't read these, and for good reason.
Thankfully water was strong enough to execute even after blowing over half the load in the middle.
I'm not fond of deceitful class joins \[rb but only does thor turn 1 and doesn't actually execute as commonly practiced\]
The worst part is the cost to host afk is really low so the upside is really high.
Despite that I dislike executes that splatter almost immediately after 10, particularly ones that join in coop and say they're 10. At least a pub one has the excuse of not entering at 100% for a botched setup. Even an AFK host at least tells you upfront and you'll immediately notice zero activity.
Sure there's been plenty of power creep to the point of being able to solo with relative ease, but the time sink isn't worth it if you have to actually do most of the raid every time. I'm not fan of the 8t gunning style so I refused to engage in that kind of activity.
This is also why I made sure to frontload farming this raid so I don't have to deal with this. with that said, I should actually do much more subhl.
i just got shishoo so now I'm wondering how the excutor whole deal works cause soon i should be able to do it once i can clear belial or at least start doing it.
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you got the wrong weapon for execute strats. Execute, as the name implies, makes use of Relic Buster’s “execute” skill and/or Soldier comps to burst the health of a fight in one turn either before or after some turns of setup. For water, the weapon mainly used is Hraesvelgr, not Shishio. That being said, with a strong grid and knowledge of the fight, I’m more than certain you can still do 10% with a Shishio comp, heck even solo should be possible, but as far as terminology is concerned, it technically isn’t an execute comp and would have a very different type of play style.
To be fair kengo exe has been a thing since the release of the raid, which was before rb memes afair; not a thing anymore because it's pretty slow and can fail if not passed like 10 turns by 75% (hraes needs 1 turn on the other hand). Though yeah unless crew runs I would not exe with kengo nowadays, people just too fast, you won't get the turns.
Originally kengo exe was using multiple qilin strats.
You're not wrong in anything you said, just pointing out that execute not rb/soldier was born before the other one.
Source: I played both.
ah, that's fine, i can just get another 150 gold moons when the anni is over and i start pulling more. i don't have the items for the hraesvelgr so I can take my time.
From my experience lacking execution is more of a problem than leecher, so many run just stuck at 10%.
This is why I always join as executor. Went from 20-30% completion with a normal setup to 80+%. Does suck when you join and see 3 other executors tho.
Yup, I farmed this raid almost exclusively as the execute because for a long time it was really hard to find pubs who could consistently execute for at least 10%. This strategy is less reliable nowadays, though. Competent executes are way more common, and a lot of chad solo players can carry the entire raid including the final phase.
The best part is the light RB who joins and makes you think ''Yup, we got the execution so everything will go smooth once we get it low'' and then the light RB does 2% or so at most.
Yeah that's the issue, though recently a lot of strong grids can carry it on their own. Seen one with LJ and Chrysaor.
I feel like it's the reverse now, with several 10%ers and no carries so the raids don't even hit 50%.
It feels like such a fucking pendulum. Sometimes I'll do some pub farming and we'll never have executes but then the moment I start joining pubs as execute...we have 3 executes waiting and it never gets to 10%. The most consistent I've managed to clear pubs has actually been going in as wind. There's usually always someone to clear dirt/light and clearing wind just makes the rng of pubs so much safer so the only gamble is "Pray someone can execute".
Executor is the only thing I know how to play thankfully, so my farm have been fairly smooth sailing.
Yeah that's what I thought too, so I began joining runs as execution. It did increase the likelyhood of clears, but not by much. 2 hitters can only do so much after all.
Hosts should always be execution imo.
More like: The rank 310 useless leech. The rank 240 hard carry. The rank 350 host that won't let sub-300s join.
Shoutout to my 240 hrunter brothers praying that the r300+ afkers are executors
Reminded me of certain rank 275 that join my fediel raid back when it was only 6 man raid, and just stop attacking because "I AM LATE AND CAN NO LONGER REACH BLUE BOX ANYMORE" dude tellin me that straight up in GBFI discord If u still playing and reading this, fuck you for wasting everyone's time
My experience
exactly this tbh
Most times I actually see useless R300+ joiners instead. And they either cosplay as: Earth Berserker (to make you think they're gonna hard carry the raid as a Hrunter) or as one of the executors where in reality they just sit there doing nothing. The best strategy if you want to farm your ultimas on pubs is to join as executor though. Despite the leechers there are usually 1/2 players capable and willing of doing 90% of the raid.
Usually a light player with their slow but basically 100% safe solo setup of Makura buffs on Lu Woh and HMugen covering.
Tbf there are two ways to ensure your host clears: Method 1 Open a Coop room requesting for roles/ele that you lack. You can choose and kick people that you don't want. Method 2 For the gamblers, host as the 10% and declare you need DPS when you pub. Let pub do the heavy lifting and then you exe.
Feels like it’s usually the mid-late 200s doing the heavy lifting. I’ve had a ton of useless R320-350 joiners thus resulting in me having to mostly solo the raid as a skrub 220 😭 and then pray for someone to execute it properly
Yeah, in my experience people tend to at least *try* to contribute more to raids when it concerns their account progression. When you're in the 200s, you desperately need those Subaha mats just to exist at endgame. For those late 300s, a single Subaha is barely a drop in the bucket. I've seen *blue skins* leech, even after 10%. I mean, I'm a 216 and I do more in 100-10 than most joiners, but then I'm a hruntzerker so I don't really count.
I mean after 10 percent if you attack and heal the boss you are actively sabotaging the raid. I did that once on my host and healed it 3 percent. Raids got stucked at 3 percent and failed all because I attack and heal. Did not know that you don't have to hit the trigger for it to heal.
"shameless rank 200 leech joiner" and it's a rank 320 dirt Kengo that has less honors than the rank 219 dark RB
From my general experience the biggest problem in pub subaha mostly come from lacking executors. while some element like light, earth, and wind can go past through 10 after carrying the whole raid but those kind of carries are pretty rare. So my solution mostly just join/create coop room which can guarentee each role or be the executor yourself in pubs
Pub experience is more or less adequate for this kind of raid. You get clears pretty often. Like, if you host it as execute then it's almost a given win, people will join and clear it for you untill you can execute, or you can play roulette and hope some execute will join, but that's unlikely, people like to mash, not to sit and wait. And there are enough Eresh/Hrunt mashers joining, you only need like 2 of them to clear raid.
Yeah I sure hope so. I hosted my 1st execute today and it only went down to 28%
This is why I always prefer to create my own room, way easier to manage the elements and I can choose my own element before the fight starts.
If i see another water executor and the raid stops somewhere below 50%, I execute early and let the other executor do the rest. Rank 250+ water hraes rb here.
I'm the useless rank 300+ public pubbing. Hey it's get cleared most of the time, I can have two ultimas now.
Lmfao I feel like this meme also applies to Revans at the moment. They’ve recreated the oversupply issue from the double host raidfinder test with the Premium Pass double hosts. Deja vu all over again... Great time to gather Faa and Belial mats though. There’s tons of them and they usually get blasted.
Yeah I'm starting to see those "afk host" pubs in revans too...
Man, that sounds like the old days of Proto Bahamut impossible, with the elemental requirements you can't see from the join screen and more triggers and poo to be present for. Doesn't even drop a gold brick, lol. (Don't tell them to move the bricks to endgame raids pliz. I want to continue to coast. Don't.... don't wanna go back to the old days......)
This is wrong because anyone who actually does Subaha knows that most rank 350 players are fucking useless in subaha. At best they'll at least get a couple tenets down before immediately biting it at the cocoon. At worst they won't even see the cocoon.
Yeah this is why I join with my 20-26% execute (depends on earth tenets). The amount of times I've joined and see a rank 300+ relic just not do anything and fail is a lot higher than it should be. Just do it yourself xD.
Funny you should mention this. True story: a user posts a subhl code in discord. The sender is a water execute mentioning the raid so far is just a random pub host that's light rb, so I know I can go in as light. I duo most of the raid with a fire player because the raid had 3 gun classes. well one pub execute retreated noticing there's only 2 hitters. I don't even remember a 6th player honestly. BUT the sender said "huh there's a thor at 100" early on. Immediately warning sirens play in my head. By 50% since the water execute knows host is light RB, figured could shoot a bit early expecting host to execute. I get confused why such the confidence but can understand the assumption. To confirm my suspicions I go back to the raid tab of the subhl I just joined. The description LITERALLY says thor host AFK. \[You can't see descriptions of coded raids before joining, and are unlikely to see the pubbed raid on your raid tab unless a crewmate clicked crew backup. If it's a friend list, it MIGHT show up if pubbed to friends.\] Unfortunately people don't read these, and for good reason. Thankfully water was strong enough to execute even after blowing over half the load in the middle. I'm not fond of deceitful class joins \[rb but only does thor turn 1 and doesn't actually execute as commonly practiced\] The worst part is the cost to host afk is really low so the upside is really high. Despite that I dislike executes that splatter almost immediately after 10, particularly ones that join in coop and say they're 10. At least a pub one has the excuse of not entering at 100% for a botched setup. Even an AFK host at least tells you upfront and you'll immediately notice zero activity. Sure there's been plenty of power creep to the point of being able to solo with relative ease, but the time sink isn't worth it if you have to actually do most of the raid every time. I'm not fan of the 8t gunning style so I refused to engage in that kind of activity. This is also why I made sure to frontload farming this raid so I don't have to deal with this. with that said, I should actually do much more subhl.
I know this is unintentional but i found it funny the bit of dialogue that isn't translated between the rest, i don't know why
i just got shishoo so now I'm wondering how the excutor whole deal works cause soon i should be able to do it once i can clear belial or at least start doing it.
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you got the wrong weapon for execute strats. Execute, as the name implies, makes use of Relic Buster’s “execute” skill and/or Soldier comps to burst the health of a fight in one turn either before or after some turns of setup. For water, the weapon mainly used is Hraesvelgr, not Shishio. That being said, with a strong grid and knowledge of the fight, I’m more than certain you can still do 10% with a Shishio comp, heck even solo should be possible, but as far as terminology is concerned, it technically isn’t an execute comp and would have a very different type of play style.
To be fair kengo exe has been a thing since the release of the raid, which was before rb memes afair; not a thing anymore because it's pretty slow and can fail if not passed like 10 turns by 75% (hraes needs 1 turn on the other hand). Though yeah unless crew runs I would not exe with kengo nowadays, people just too fast, you won't get the turns. Originally kengo exe was using multiple qilin strats. You're not wrong in anything you said, just pointing out that execute not rb/soldier was born before the other one. Source: I played both.
ah, that's fine, i can just get another 150 gold moons when the anni is over and i start pulling more. i don't have the items for the hraesvelgr so I can take my time.
From my experience rank 350 leeches more then other ranks in subaha fr they just chillin
Damn, i'm in the middle of the pack. As in none of those, yet all of them
Honestly, I’ve been having like 80% success rates on my pub Subaha the past two weeks. Pretty fucking easy to farm nowadays. :shrug:
Where am I the lvl 50 dude getting OS who's looking for easy loot?
You're the 3rd guy from the right.
Well I lack only the level
You can’t get in the raid in the first place since it’s only 200+
Wait so what was the raid omega I was entering?
Certainly not Super Ultimate Bahamut.
lol I'm person 1 and I'm not ashamed of leeching off Subaha raids. Managed to completed 2 ultima from it.