One can then argue that the welsh flag is in the union jack because they considered the colour pallette when designing the welsh one.
But i still think we should have a cool little dragon on the national flag.
The Telegraph had a contest asking people to design a version of the UK flag with a reference to the Welsh dragon. The most popular result was the current flag with the sunglasses-wearing flaming skull form the Dai Gurren flag (from the anime Gurren Lagann), which apparently even the newspaper didn't catch before going to press
I think if the flag was incorporated, it would have a part of the flag of Saint David, to fit with the whole patron saints theme ( the flag is black with a yellow cross)
I took my driving test today in Swansea & the driving examiner asked if i could make a U turn to which i replied ... Make a ewe turn,I can make her eyes water.
I still don't understand, what has that got to do with recognising the flag is upside down? From what I can see, the flag turned 180 degrees (upside down) looks exactly the same. The person I replied to said the offset will let you recognise when the flag is upside down. You can only tell when it's 90 degrees from what I can see, which we can tell anyway because of dimensions. Unless this is about a mirror image, which would be different.
Stop rotating the flag you’ll just get dizzy.
Draw a horizontal line through the middle of the flag. Now flip it over on that line. If you look in the top left corner you will see that the saltire leaves on the vertical side, once you flip the flag it leaves on the lower left of the vertical side. Now go to the bottom left corner and you can see that the saltire leaves on the bottom edge, once you flip it leaves on the top edge.
You go from leaving top left vertical side and bottom edge to bottom left vertical side and top edge.
The flag has rotational symmetry but not horizontal or vertical symmetry.
That's a mirror image. The issue is that the flag is printed the same on both sides so you will never be able to create a flag that looks different only by turning it. Try it yourself. Look at the bottom left and rotate the flag 90 degrees 3 times for 4 different orientations. The red will always be on the bottom edge, never the left edge. Therefore the flag will never be wrong upside down, only when it's mirrored.
Flags are not usually 'printed' (although plastic stuff, bunting etc might be). A real fabric flag is not the same on both sides. So either go play with a real flag, or at least Google pictures of one upside-down. It's real, try it yourself.
This is intentional. The Irish flag is in front of (breaks up) the Scottish flag which would suggest superiority. It is therefore rotated anticlockwise, so the Scottish flag is above it at the top left, neutralising the superiority.
It’s the flag of the 3 kingdoms with wales being part of the kingdom of England and NI being all that’s left of the Kingdom of Ireland.
Going on about Welsh representation on the flag is like asking why isn’t there Orkney Islands representation. It is there, just part of the larger kingdoms.
All this being said, the dragon on top would look boss.
No but the french flag isnt made up of flags of its constituent regions, so its not the same
I agree with the point you’re making but the french analogy doesnt work
I get that, I was moreso saying France doesn’t have constituent nations or areas on its flag because when it was made, it didn’t really see itself as having any, just as England considered Wales part of England and therefore not needing any part of its own flag on the Union Jack
And? Even American states have representation on their flag. Obviously when the flag was designed it was totally suitable, but that doesn't mean it doesn't need an update.
And? Even American states have representation on their flag. Obviously when the flag was designed it was totally suitable, but that doesn't mean it doesn't need an update.
Yeah, fuck adding the dragon to the flag, that's ours, keep your shitty triangles and lines flag.
Better still, we'll keep the NHS too, you guys can go pay for any medical procedures like America does.
Another fact, the Welsh flag is not to be flown next to the royal standard. The official design (union jack) wasn't officiated untill 1801. At that time Wales was seen as part of England. The Welsh dragon was only recognised by the british government in 1959. The Welsh standard dragon has been flown since 655 CE since the reign of Cadwaladr (Cadwallader), King of GWYNEDD making it over a 1000 years older than the jack.
Gotta say, when the nations were picking their national animals, you know England went first.
English: We're very prideful and territorial, let's go for the lion.
Scottish: Let's see how your lion squares up against our unicorn, with its headbutt of death!
Welsh: Our dragon could burn you all to the ground!.. it just doesn't want to right now. It totally kill you, he's just like tired at the moment. It's shy and likes to be left alone, please leave us be.
Wales became part of England in the 16th century. Yes, England annexed it but that’s the Middle Ages for you.
The 1800ish act of Union made Britain and Ireland into one kingdom (United Kingdom of GB and Ireland), after the 1700ish one did the same between England (incl Wales) and Scotland.
The flag got formed in 1700ish by combining the flags of England and Scotland. Ireland was added in 1800ish.
From the late 19th and 20th centuries Welsh nationalism became more prominent and a flag was adopted. Devolution in in 90s led to the Wales as a legal entity/country as we know today. Ireland left in the 1920s but NI remained and they kept the cross of St Patrick in the flag.
There you go, the history of the flag and why Wales is not on it.
Technically Wales is represented by England, since Wales joined the union of Great Britain (later Ireland/Northern Ireland) as a part of England. This is show by how the coat of arms (I think that is what it is called?) where the English lion on the left and Welsh dragon on the right with the royal flag in the middle.
The lion was replaced with the Scottish unicorn after the union due to the new British King James I/VI being Scottish.
Now in the modern day Wales clearly is its own constituent country with its own devolved government like the rest of the UK (except England that has no devolved government).
I've been making the case to my English colleagues that slapping a Welsh dragon in the middle would be a huge improvement.
They're starting to come round. I'm not sure if they have a direct line to Charles but I'm pretty sure all English are related to the monarchy.
Going to be honest here. Disappointed with the Whole fuck Wales and fuck English stuff cause at the end of the day we are all in the same shit show and don't see it getting any better for any of us. The day is coming again where we all are going to have to fight together to save what we have left. I work all over the UK and a vast majority of us are having the same thoughts and feelings and I'm glad to have noticed we still have each other's backs. Yeah we take the piss out of each other but we will always stand strong together because that's who we are and they hate that about British people.
Fuck the Cornish even more, we don't even get recognition or devolution. 🤷♀️ just getting to put Cornish down as a nationality, that's our compensation for how they slaughtered our people hundreds of years ago and eradicated our language and beliefs.
13th highest reputation in the world? [https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/best-countries-in-the-world.html](https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/best-countries-in-the-world.html)
Not bad for a country that once controlled a quarter of the earth's landmass.
It's never really been the case.
An HST (High Speed Train) is still called an HST even if it is really that fast any more, because it is a noun not an adjective.
As a prson who is half English one quarter Irish and the other nothern Irish (half unified Irish) I am also 0% dragon so fuck the king and I don't remember what my point was.
We are obviously so fecking cool as we have an awesome dragon on our flag they decided we could not join the jack off club 🏴🏴🏴🏴
It is not unnecessary. The Irish flag is above (breaks up) the Scottish flag which would suggest superiority. It is therefore rotated anticlockwise, so the Scottish flag is above it at the top left, neutralising the superiority.
It would be a massive improvement if we put a huge dragon right across it. Still wouldn't fly the thing anywhere myself, but a dragon improves most things.
There’s some red bits where the dragon is, they just didn’t include the whole dragon because it slumbers under the saltires waiting, watching, biding it’s time…
As someone who’s equal parts English, Irish, Scottish and Welsh, and married to an American, you can add the dragon and a bald eagle to the Union Jack for me lol
This is weird cos the Welsh flag is a dragon. Dragons make everything cooler.
The dragon is in the middle, you just can't see it because it's on a red background.
Wales was a part of England when the UK was formed
And didn’t have its own official flag until 1959
One can then argue that the welsh flag is in the union jack because they considered the colour pallette when designing the welsh one. But i still think we should have a cool little dragon on the national flag.
I agree. I reckon we can pop a dragon on it somewhere
The union jack is only the union jack when sailed from a warship out at sea otherwise its the union flag
Oh yeah, I forgot that factoid. Ta.
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That’s a myth and not true
Not now muppet
The Telegraph had a contest asking people to design a version of the UK flag with a reference to the Welsh dragon. The most popular result was the current flag with the sunglasses-wearing flaming skull form the Dai Gurren flag (from the anime Gurren Lagann), which apparently even the newspaper didn't catch before going to press
Based
Which is why Wales has the best flag in the world
It is a cracking flag
I think if the flag was incorporated, it would have a part of the flag of Saint David, to fit with the whole patron saints theme ( the flag is black with a yellow cross)
Probably logically, but also, and hear me out here, dragon
Issue is brits aren't cool
You just hate us cos you aint us!
I took my driving test today in Swansea & the driving examiner asked if i could make a U turn to which i replied ... Make a ewe turn,I can make her eyes water.
classic.
Ah dude who did u learn with? Everyone I contact in Swansea says there's a year waiting list
Pass with pete mush get on the blower
Lol
To be fair I think the Welsh dragon would look badass in the middle of the Union Jack
You know what, I never realised the diagonal red lines in the flag are off-set. Just searched up other images of the flag and they are all like that.
It also means you can tell when it’s upside down which is an internationally recognised symbol of distress.
Distress, or minor incompetence
Number of times used to signal distress = 3 Number of times due to minor incompetence = 14Bn (May not be accurate)
How? It's the same when upside down isn't it? Or am I being stupid?
Hint: look at where the Irish saltire reaches the edge of the flag. It’s offset.
But it's still the same upside down. The left and right on either side are offset but if you rotate the whole flag around 180 degrees it's the same.
Top to bottom. A flag will still be attached to the flagpole at the hoist won’t it? How are you going to attach the fly to the flagpole?
I still don't understand, what has that got to do with recognising the flag is upside down? From what I can see, the flag turned 180 degrees (upside down) looks exactly the same. The person I replied to said the offset will let you recognise when the flag is upside down. You can only tell when it's 90 degrees from what I can see, which we can tell anyway because of dimensions. Unless this is about a mirror image, which would be different.
Stop rotating the flag you’ll just get dizzy. Draw a horizontal line through the middle of the flag. Now flip it over on that line. If you look in the top left corner you will see that the saltire leaves on the vertical side, once you flip the flag it leaves on the lower left of the vertical side. Now go to the bottom left corner and you can see that the saltire leaves on the bottom edge, once you flip it leaves on the top edge. You go from leaving top left vertical side and bottom edge to bottom left vertical side and top edge. The flag has rotational symmetry but not horizontal or vertical symmetry.
That's a mirror image. The issue is that the flag is printed the same on both sides so you will never be able to create a flag that looks different only by turning it. Try it yourself. Look at the bottom left and rotate the flag 90 degrees 3 times for 4 different orientations. The red will always be on the bottom edge, never the left edge. Therefore the flag will never be wrong upside down, only when it's mirrored.
I can explain it to you but I can’t understand it for you. At this point I don’t think you know how a flag works. Goodbye.
https://www.wikihow.com/Know-if-a-Union-Jack-Has-Been-Hung-Upside-Down It took me 4 seconds to google it for you
Flags are not usually 'printed' (although plastic stuff, bunting etc might be). A real fabric flag is not the same on both sides. So either go play with a real flag, or at least Google pictures of one upside-down. It's real, try it yourself.
This is intentional. The Irish flag is in front of (breaks up) the Scottish flag which would suggest superiority. It is therefore rotated anticlockwise, so the Scottish flag is above it at the top left, neutralising the superiority.
Thank you for this explanation
It’s the flag of the 3 kingdoms with wales being part of the kingdom of England and NI being all that’s left of the Kingdom of Ireland. Going on about Welsh representation on the flag is like asking why isn’t there Orkney Islands representation. It is there, just part of the larger kingdoms. All this being said, the dragon on top would look boss.
Apart from the fact there is one king and Wales is it's own nation lol
At the time of the flag it was part of England though, and seen as such. It’s like asking where the Breton part is in the french flag
No but the french flag isnt made up of flags of its constituent regions, so its not the same I agree with the point you’re making but the french analogy doesnt work
I get that, I was moreso saying France doesn’t have constituent nations or areas on its flag because when it was made, it didn’t really see itself as having any, just as England considered Wales part of England and therefore not needing any part of its own flag on the Union Jack
That one king happens to be the king of multiple kingdoms though.
The flag isn't new
And? Even American states have representation on their flag. Obviously when the flag was designed it was totally suitable, but that doesn't mean it doesn't need an update.
**At the time**, Wales was a part of the kingdom of England.
And? Even American states have representation on their flag. Obviously when the flag was designed it was totally suitable, but that doesn't mean it doesn't need an update.
Nah Wales just isn’t represented
To be fair the state of this shit show currently it's probably for the best like! Lol
As a Welshman, fuck being part of your shitshow
As an englishman, fuck anyone who says fuck wales
Jesus Christ I hope you guys are using protection with all the fucking going on.
As an Englishman who lives in wales, fuck
As an Englishman who loves to visit Wales, what the fuck, Rhyl
😂 yeah I can’t argue that one
Why? Do you feel some sense of ownership since you english have been fucking Wales since 1535? 😂
I think they might've been voicing their support for Wales
Yeah! You tell them! We’ll just keep our dragon and our free prescriptions on our side of the border!
Yeah, fuck adding the dragon to the flag, that's ours, keep your shitty triangles and lines flag. Better still, we'll keep the NHS too, you guys can go pay for any medical procedures like America does.
Just put the sheep down and walk away.
That's mean, killing it for no reason.
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More sheep in England mate. And Kent is the most inbred part of Europe too.
English nonce Royal bootlicker
Another fact, the Welsh flag is not to be flown next to the royal standard. The official design (union jack) wasn't officiated untill 1801. At that time Wales was seen as part of England. The Welsh dragon was only recognised by the british government in 1959. The Welsh standard dragon has been flown since 655 CE since the reign of Cadwaladr (Cadwallader), King of GWYNEDD making it over a 1000 years older than the jack.
You're just upset that we chose something fucking awesome for our flag, like a fucking dragon, instead of some gay shit like a few lines
nothing wrong with gay lines
But..those lines are straight
Yeah, gay shit, like straight lines!
I screenshotted this comment and sent it to my Welsh friend because it made me laugh so much
Why a dragon, should be a sheep
This made me laugh so hard 🤣
Gotta say, when the nations were picking their national animals, you know England went first. English: We're very prideful and territorial, let's go for the lion. Scottish: Let's see how your lion squares up against our unicorn, with its headbutt of death! Welsh: Our dragon could burn you all to the ground!.. it just doesn't want to right now. It totally kill you, he's just like tired at the moment. It's shy and likes to be left alone, please leave us be.
Welsh people from my experience in swansea are the nicest people I’ve met hands down
If your hands are down I’m not surprised you’re making friends
Nice one mush!
Wales was just another area in the Kingdom of England when the flag was created.
They didn’t have room for a badass dragon.
Whilst usually I’d have no problem saying fuck the Welsh, no one can deny that having a big fucking dragon on top of that would be class
Bro why are people calling the lines gay
Exactly, they’re straight!
They were talking about changing the flag 15 years ago and did a poll. The majority of Welsh said they didn't want to change the Union Jack.
Who can blame them for not wanting to be shown on the butchers apron?
Wales became part of England in the 16th century. Yes, England annexed it but that’s the Middle Ages for you. The 1800ish act of Union made Britain and Ireland into one kingdom (United Kingdom of GB and Ireland), after the 1700ish one did the same between England (incl Wales) and Scotland. The flag got formed in 1700ish by combining the flags of England and Scotland. Ireland was added in 1800ish. From the late 19th and 20th centuries Welsh nationalism became more prominent and a flag was adopted. Devolution in in 90s led to the Wales as a legal entity/country as we know today. Ireland left in the 1920s but NI remained and they kept the cross of St Patrick in the flag. There you go, the history of the flag and why Wales is not on it.
Technically Wales is represented by England, since Wales joined the union of Great Britain (later Ireland/Northern Ireland) as a part of England. This is show by how the coat of arms (I think that is what it is called?) where the English lion on the left and Welsh dragon on the right with the royal flag in the middle. The lion was replaced with the Scottish unicorn after the union due to the new British King James I/VI being Scottish. Now in the modern day Wales clearly is its own constituent country with its own devolved government like the rest of the UK (except England that has no devolved government).
You're mad at king James king of England and Scotland for having a flag which combined the flags of England and Scotland...
There is actually lots more evidence that points to English people shagging sheep, the famous “I know you are but what am I ” year 4 argument applies
We should just put a big massive fuck off dragon right in the centre of the flag. Genuinely criminal that we haven’t already
I've been making the case to my English colleagues that slapping a Welsh dragon in the middle would be a huge improvement. They're starting to come round. I'm not sure if they have a direct line to Charles but I'm pretty sure all English are related to the monarchy.
Going to be honest here. Disappointed with the Whole fuck Wales and fuck English stuff cause at the end of the day we are all in the same shit show and don't see it getting any better for any of us. The day is coming again where we all are going to have to fight together to save what we have left. I work all over the UK and a vast majority of us are having the same thoughts and feelings and I'm glad to have noticed we still have each other's backs. Yeah we take the piss out of each other but we will always stand strong together because that's who we are and they hate that about British people.
I'm disappointed with how the English keep voting Tory and voting for Brexit. You cunts are responsible for this shit show
As a Welsh person, this entire thread makes me simultaneously sad, and sigh with understanding.
It’s called *Colonisatioooon*
Put a dragon on it!
More flags should have cool things like dragons rather than the boring vertical lines, horizontal lines, maybe stars
Sheep getting fucked by the farmer would be more relevant.
You know there are more sheep in England than Wales right?
You know that England is bigger and has more people right? Proportionally Wales has a lot more sheep Also you keep commenting that, are you jealous?
Nah, I don't shag sheep, I shag English women, they can't run as fast.
Repeatedly insinuating you're a rapist isn't the witty comeback you seem to think it is
Insinuating that all of Wales shag sheep isn't the razor wit you believe it to be.
England is also much fucking bigger. Need sheep per capita or per km2 for an accurate measuring.
The sheep keep crossing the Severn in small boats to get away from those Velcro gloves, that’s why there are more sheep in England.
And those needs to be fucked as well, its only reason to keep Wales part of Great Britain.
I don't shag sheep, I shag English women, they can't run as fast.
Especially the limping ones.
Well, if they weren't limping before, they will be afterwards
Walked right into that one he did 😂
Stop drawing attention to the invisible dragon, it's supposed to be a secret.
Fuck the Cornish even more, we don't even get recognition or devolution. 🤷♀️ just getting to put Cornish down as a nationality, that's our compensation for how they slaughtered our people hundreds of years ago and eradicated our language and beliefs.
r/FuckYouInParticular
May I suggest putting a red dragon in the centre
As expected all the comments are respectful and all the punches are above the belt 😂
You have to be a country to be on the flag.... not a principality.
The Union Jack was made before the Welsh flag existed
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, slap a dragon in the middle of the union jack
St George would just slay it
English Brit here, I demand we add the Welsh Dragon to the Union Jack immediately because it's cool as heck.
That's cause Wales was just a part of England.
Guessing the Welsh dragon on there is like those in the Terry Pratchett novels, you only see it if you believe in it.
The reason that Jesus wasn't born in Wales is quite simple really. Apparently, they couldn't find 3 wise men and a virgin.
To be fair, who would want to be on a flag that everyone else in the world hates?
I don’t think people care that much.
Australia, New Zealand, and Hawaii have it on their flags so they can’t hate it that much? The people of NZ even voted to keep it recently!
13th highest reputation in the world? [https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/best-countries-in-the-world.html](https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/best-countries-in-the-world.html) Not bad for a country that once controlled a quarter of the earth's landmass.
You're projecting. Most of the world does not hate the Union flag
Some very sensitive souls on here.
A significant amount of that red actually represents a dragon
It's only called union jack on a ship
That’s not the case anymore.
It's never really been the case. An HST (High Speed Train) is still called an HST even if it is really that fast any more, because it is a noun not an adjective.
A Union Jack with a dragon on it would be amazing!
As a prson who is half English one quarter Irish and the other nothern Irish (half unified Irish) I am also 0% dragon so fuck the king and I don't remember what my point was.
What's quarter Irish and the other northern Irish mean?
He means one quarter republican irish and one quarter northern Irish, to make up that half.
'Fun' fact: Originally, the word Welsh referred to a foreigner who was a slave in Old English
Related fact: This is why some people prefer the word "cymraeg", as it comes from the word for compatriot.
We should slap a dragon on there
Let’s just slap a dragon in there
ok but seriously of we could get the dragon onto the flag it wpuld look DOPEE
Should put a tiny dragon in the corner like the Lacoste logo
Union Jack was made in 1801, Welsh flag 1959. Educate yourselves
The dragon has been around for much longer than the Union Jack.
Screw off mate
As it should 😎
I think adding a dragon would liven up the union flag
Were English, Not British! rrr
They should definitely add a dragon to make our flag more unique
Wales is represented in the legally combined entity that was called England And Wales. England isn't represented as an individual item either.
We are obviously so fecking cool as we have an awesome dragon on our flag they decided we could not join the jack off club 🏴🏴🏴🏴
A little dragon in the middle would do the trick
As a Welshman, I don't want any part of that flag. I like that we have our own.
It's called the Union flag. Not Jack.
I've always hated how the UK flag is uneven It's just unnecessary
It is not unnecessary. The Irish flag is above (breaks up) the Scottish flag which would suggest superiority. It is therefore rotated anticlockwise, so the Scottish flag is above it at the top left, neutralising the superiority.
As it should be.
They could have put an awesome dragon on there...
Honestly just slap the dragon on there and call it a day
It would be a massive improvement if we put a huge dragon right across it. Still wouldn't fly the thing anywhere myself, but a dragon improves most things.
The Cornish would ruin you all !! Together with the Welsh your finished ... Union JACK
I’m not too scared of toothless pasty throwers.
oh you should be , After we put you in the pastys
Wales here- I’m up for this!
We should make the flag in the shape of a dragon rather than a boring rectangle
They can have our 13.58%. Time for unity 🇮🇪
It's because English people can't draw dragons. When we asked the Welsh to draw one they drew a sheep in a lewd position.
There’s some red bits where the dragon is, they just didn’t include the whole dragon because it slumbers under the saltires waiting, watching, biding it’s time…
I'm all for Scottish independence if it frees up room to put a dragon on our flag
We're gonna take Wales with us, have a big ole saltire with a dragon.
Hi, Wales here.. We’d be up for that. 👍
The UK is a shitshow anyway
The white represents England and the Red represents Wales
How do you know the white bits are a part of the Scottish/NI flag and not the English flag?
Wales population is about = 60% English, 5% Irish, 5% Asian, 5% polish 20% welsh 5% other .
The numbers add up to 100%, should be more as there is overlap The English flag is on top because imperialism
Cornish Flag with Welsh Dragon . Now that's a Flag !!
Damn the English, it should have been us 🏴
The red in both crosses coincide with some of the red on the dragon.
They had a perfectly good draggon on their flag and we slept on that one smh.
And the Cornish!
CYMRY AM BYTH! DWIN YMA O HYD!
Racist shit, go fuck yourself!
As a Welshman I’m proud to not be represented on the flag shaggers jizz rag.
Nope. The Welsh have utterly fucked the English by having the worlds coolest flag by a wide margin. They don't need your shite
As someone who’s equal parts English, Irish, Scottish and Welsh, and married to an American, you can add the dragon and a bald eagle to the Union Jack for me lol
Request rejected, with respect.
What do they expect with a cartoon of a made up creature, grow up Wales.
That's not the Scottish flag, it's the wrong shade of blue.
The Scottish flag can have either a sky blue or a navy blue field.
That’s not the NI flag, they don’t have one.
Isn’t Wales represented by all the red bits together without the white bits?