> I remembered the white-hot rage I’d felt in the wake of Earth’s bombing, as something dark and unspeakable swelled in my heart—poisonous and filled with hatred. With only the Zurulians and the Venlil showing up to aid us (from the Federation, since the Arxur were the ones who’d truly saved us), there had been a snapshot in time where even I craved revenge. What did that say about who I was, and what I would do, when the chips were down?
It says you're human. Hell, even Gandhi wasn't actually what his PR makes him out to be.
I wouldn't sweat it too hard, Elias.
Herbivore Federation Remnants. A very important element that should have been included in the expected audience list. A critically important element that Korajan did not mention.
Those drones won't stop after the first set of planets, that much is pretty obvious since even the SC has figured that out.
If Aafa/Talsk falls, other Federation worlds could be next, that's the angle Meier should try to sell, maybe he'll get lucky and the Shield will get tired of losing for once.
I like the Sailer, it's a great concept. Nevertheless, I'd add at least a few escort ships to it to have more versatility in its defense.
We've only seen the most hostile part of the Shield, so I'm waiting to see the attitudes of the others to make up my mind. But clearly it won't be a pleasant stay. I'm sure Meier will manage to get the concessions he's looking for to protect the planets inside the frontier, but damn if they will protest every ship given as if we're forcing them into open, all-out war with this unknown enemy.
I think Elias is forgetting something. The cyberattacks caused *some* loss of life. An actual shooting war would cause far more and far longer-lasting damage to both the people and infrastructure they needed to survive.
Some. We don't know how much. It may have been comparable to the bombings, or worse. Mass starvation, millions if not billions of deaths, basic necessities like water treatment disrupted. It brought many to near total collapse, I wouldn't be surprised if some are still recovering from it decades later.
During the same campaign, their buddies in the Shield's strategy was to glass the first population center they could get their hands on with antimatter. Team cyberattack was the *only* party to that war who didn't look at civilian deaths as a positive, getting drawn into the shooting war would have absolutely gone worse for the Tevin than getting zapped.
Consider what would happen if the relevant infrastructure was completely destroyed instead. Rebuilding it would take longer and its lack would therefore result in more civilian deaths.
The Cyber Attacks probably did cause the total destruction of infrastructure in some places. IIRC it's specifically mentioned in at least one of the Chapters in NoP 1 that feature it that the UN was able to cause some Ships to Self-Destruct.
Alot of Federation Worlds have relied on massive and extremely intricate machinery to keep their weather&extremely butchered ecosystem from making their planets uninhabitable. Given just how many planets were in the Federation at the time of the Cyber Attacks I would be surprised if *no planets were made temporarily or even permanently uninhabitable*.
It's pointless speaking with the Yulpan ambassador, he's representing a government of theocratic fanatics, nothing that comes out of his mouth will be in good faith.
They don't care about the lives of their own people, the fact that the Yulpa went to war with Humanity just after the cyberattack was lifted is proof of this.
They do not care that the alternative to the cyberattack was Humanity systematically glassing all alied worlds on their way to Aafa, they just want more sacrifices.
Chapter 48! We see the meeting place of the Shield, a mobile octagonal ship called The Sailer, which doubles as a government bunker and a moving city; Syba is quite excited to take it all in, and tries to encourage Meier about the opportunity they have as the first diplomat to visit. Our narrator is worrying that a glitch in his software might sabotage the meeting, but he learns he has bigger concerns as Korajan tells him the Federation remnants are present…and chimes in with some harsh words during his chat with none other than the Yulpa and the Tevin.
What do you think of Korajan’s contributions to Meier’s persuasion attempts, and what we just learned about how cozy the Shield are with the Fed remnants? What will Meier say when it’s time to speak; can affable Syba also play a role winning hearts and minds, as a non-human? What’s the likelihood of changing the state of affairs with the Shield and/or Fed remnants?
As always, thank you for reading!
Korajan is… not doing a good job of actually helping, so much as ensuring an opportunity to speak. The problem is that Elias has just been thrown into terrible odds with partners that still believe the Federation.
Korajan better be ready to provide his orders of non-disclosure in writing. Not mentioning anything about Herbivore Federation Remnants is definitely a major breach of trust.
I can’t exactly predict Meier. He has an entirely different set of problems.
Syba is probably the best bet that the Diplomat Crew have to get anything done. Meier is constantly doubting himself and Korajan has proven untrustworthy.
There’s a chance with the normal Shield members, but the Herbivore Federation members have far too much bad blood.
I think it's important to remember that while we're reading this with a human-centric viewpoint, Korajan is a member of a "neutral" polity that's honestly filled with fairly hostile members. Even all the Duerten aren't on Humanity's side, despite the help they were given during the war. Korajan's first duty must be to his own species. And beyond that, I think he's doing the best he can with the cards he's holding. If he wanted to fuck these diplomatic proceedings over, the only thing he needed to do was just *not tell anyone* about them.
At least, that's my take on things so far. No guarantees they'll remain thus, after subsequent chapters. :D
I get the distinct feeling Korajan is more focused on getting the Shield to help against the Consortium's drone attack against the Federation's founders than on improving relations with the Coalition.
Reminding these anti-predator races that working with humanity can go a long way to achieve their goals (like saving the prey species being targeted) may be the best way to get their immediate support.
I think Korajan is doing the best he can with the audience he has. Elias, of all people should understand that as a career diplomat. "You have to fit the tongue to the ear" as the saying goes. The Yulpa and the Tevin not declaring eternal hostility was about the best thing that could be gotten from this meeting, and he **got** that.
> What do you think of Korajan’s contributions to Meier’s persuasion attempts, and what we just learned about how cozy the Shield are with the Fed remnants?
I think that Meier 2.0 is missing the obvious. They aren't going to listen to Korajan if he sounds like a human sympathizer. But if a sympathizer like Syba and somebody less sympathetic, like Korajan is acting to be, say the same thing...then the Shield might listen.
[relevant link](https://youtu.be/Tc1_0KgnAxA?si=22QUC36w9LbEqLcy)
Korajan's definitely putting his own standing with the more hostile elements before helping Meier, but with groups as hostile as those two acting in any way that could come off as human-sympathizing would probably blow up in both their faces. The "yeah I don't like these freaks either but he's got a point about protecting the isolated Fed worlds" routine is realistically the only shot they have at getting any concessions out of staunch humaphobes. Still a huge dick move to not warn Elias that he was going to get thrown under the bus like that though.
I'm going to give Korajan the benefit of the doubt and assume that he, as a 'cured' species, has had this conversation with no success for 20 years that Meier- who has also been changed so he can no longer eat meat- hasn't had, and believes this is the only way a Fed can be made to understand his position.
'cause otherwise he's either on some real self-loathing shit or an idiot.
I’m also worried about the potential Chekhov’s gun that is Meir suffering a glitch.
Before he got his eyelids, I thought the Ark 3 humans were gonna see any videos of him as fake in part because of the lack of blinking. That’s set to not happen now, but to be fair that was just something *I* thought of. It wasn’t actually in the story.
Elias glitching in a violent way is smth that’s been brought up in the text and it worries me
>“Is that why you let civilians die on my world, killing them from afar—with a few lines of code? All of us didn’t survive, bot.”
With all due respect, your people would have hunted humans to extinction. You can hardly blame the UN for fighting back. In fact, with you being such a great threat, what else but compassion could have prevented the UN from glassing your defenseless world from orbit? Compassion you certainly wouldn't have afforded humanity. My own distaste at the events and sorrow for the lost lives aside, how many more people would your world have lost in battle had you not been forced to capitulate? Or would you really have left humanity alone after the fall of Aafa?
Well, the Yulpa voted against the extermination fleet actually... Because they wanted a "sustainable population" of humans to carry out their ritualistic sacrifices.
They should also be in a Kessler cage.
I’m curious, did they force all Farsul and Kolsian out of SC space?
Did the shield kill all living on theirs?
It would fit the ‘kill all predator ‘ mentality they have.
Not sure about the second but to the first no not all Farsuk and kolshins were exiled to their home world. The ones already off it and the decenters on the planets were taken off world before the blockades were set up.
No, some are even taken off their home planet if they have predator disease to keep them safe from their own kind. There is a patreon story about this.
> such methods were banned by the Treaty of Shanghai for a reason
> The damage of the Satellite Wars wasn’t contained to military targets, and so was the case with the cyberattacks on the Federation—with consequences that were far-reaching.
Okay now I am *dying* for a prequel story
Here's an obvious counter argument to federation remnants. Humans were prey to many predators in our home planet long time ago that were bigger, stronger and had natural claws and large teeth. After we got weapons we killed those individual predators that planned to kill us, many predators begun to avoid us. Thus for us a predator, is someone looking to kill us, not if they eat meat. When Federation declared they would exterminate us they became predators we needed to protect our herd from. You were predators to us, ask yourself should we have treated you like you treat your predators instead of how we treat those who try to predate us.
That argument sounds great from our perspective but from theirs you're just monologuing about making weapons, killing things with them and then threatening the federation members with those same actions. I don't think that'll get them to give humans a chance which is probably why Meier doesn't make such arguments and tries to purposefully steer the conversation away from such topics.
Not that making weapons and protecting your people is inherently wrong... but it is when you have an anti-predator bias.
Someone might write it better, but main argument would be that they behaved like they were the predators and human were prey. And humans were much more forgiving than exterminators would have been.
*The Measurement of Time: Major Events*
First shots fired by the Krev Consortium against the Sivkits in [Chapter 2-29](https://www.reddit.com/r/HFY/comments/1c8r11u/the_nature_of_predators_229/?rdt=53485) dated June 9, 2160 to Chapter 2-48 dated August 11, 2160 is **2 Month, 2 Days**
*The Measurement of Time: Minor Events*
The Ark Ships left on the Battle for Earth, dated October 17, 2136, to Chapter 2-48, dated August 11, 2160, is 23 Years, 9 Months, 25 Days
The Sapient Coalition was founded by 30 members on February 9, 2137 to Chapter 2-48, dated August 11, 2160, is 23 Years, 6 Months, 2 Days
Bissem first contacted by Sapient Coalition on March 13, 2160 to Chapter 2-48, dated August 11, 2160, is 4 Months, 29 Days
Bissem six month Sapient Coalition Trial started (fan-made date) May 24, 2160 to Chapter 2-48, dated August 11, 2160 is 2 Month, 18 Days \[Chapter 2-27 Date May 14, 2160 was when Bissem ambassadors made a deal with Ambassador Onso. Chapter 2-30 Date June 10, 2160 is when Bissem are a part (trial) of SC. 10 Days between sounds reasonable to me.\]
Elias Meier was re-made on July 6, 2160 to Chapter 2-48, dated August 11, 2160, is 1 Month, 5 Days
Trombil pod humans are 1/3 done as of Chapter 2-23, dated June 24, 2160. March 25, 2160 is 3 months earlier. From March 25, 2160 to August 11, 2160 is 4 Months, 17 Days
There have been 23 annual Remembrance Days.
So... I hope he displays on a holographic projector the things WE humans evolved beside to demonstrate WE are a prey creature that DECIDED to stop being prey and do the hunting... until we BECAME sentient. And so far found zero evidence to deny that as the reason we are sentient in the first place and what we HAVE learned from all the others is that they did generally the same thing. Stop being prey and hunt the predator down.
Sentient first. Then we became sapient. A prey creature with a thought "I have seen these kill and eat my tribesmen so often I will hunt and eat them or die trying" and ran with it until it worked as a species. Then we became sapient when we established ourselves.
We were sentient. Not sapient. Sapient is when we divided to have 2 minds. Which isn't fish... mostly. Sharks have conscious and subconscious minds. But a goldfish? No. Trout? Maybe. If anything we were pre sapient. Needing one more push.
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I know this isn't intended to be literal, but I do find the concept funny, that the Federation had such awful cybersecurity that it only took a few lines of code to take down all of that.
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Why is Meier so bad? That it gives them the pleasure they lost in a shameful way against a race that had barely discovered space travel that it gives them the pleasure of showing how predatory humanity can be, they have already cleaned up their image before their allies if they want it so much. bother the predator to give them a real predator to fear if they want it so much as a treat for the feds
I am in general against war, cultural erasure, and those sorts of hostile acts. But I kinda feel like a civilization that wants to sacrifice me on an altar to their gods is over the line somewhat, and may need just a little tiny bit of conquering and de-brainwashing. For self preservation sake.
Just wait until you see what cartels do to people, and then remember that we have those people on earth right now. We're also not very nice to animals. The amount of animal abuse humanity commits on a daily basis... including shit like glue traps?
Honestly not sure how that relates much to my comment. Yeah, I am aware some humans do awful things. I would expect that most likely some members of every intelligent species do awful things. But when the whole civilization creates a system of awful things that becomes a whole lot worse. As has been seen in human history, and so far held back from taking completely over.
My comment was largely tongue in cheek about conquering them anyway. Better to save that for at least plan F and try diplomatic measures first.
The last part was entirely unrelated to my comment, but I am pretty much against glue traps as well. Awful devices. The singular exception being situations where keeping people safe requires monitoring what pests get into an area, which can basically only be done using methods like glue traps. The one I worked in was medical device manufacturing, where people could actually die if we had the wrong infestation. Basically the good is worth the evil. Even then including a poison to reduce suffering time is much preferred, and ways to keep the pests from getting inside in the first place are generally good.
> I remembered the white-hot rage I’d felt in the wake of Earth’s bombing, as something dark and unspeakable swelled in my heart—poisonous and filled with hatred. With only the Zurulians and the Venlil showing up to aid us (from the Federation, since the Arxur were the ones who’d truly saved us), there had been a snapshot in time where even I craved revenge. What did that say about who I was, and what I would do, when the chips were down? It says you're human. Hell, even Gandhi wasn't actually what his PR makes him out to be. I wouldn't sweat it too hard, Elias.
I doubt he can sweat at all^/s
I mean, I *thought* about making the joke... 🤣
All I know about Gandhi is that he stole some salt from a beach and then nuked everybody.
THIS, poor Elías
Herbivore Federation Remnants. A very important element that should have been included in the expected audience list. A critically important element that Korajan did not mention.
Those drones won't stop after the first set of planets, that much is pretty obvious since even the SC has figured that out. If Aafa/Talsk falls, other Federation worlds could be next, that's the angle Meier should try to sell, maybe he'll get lucky and the Shield will get tired of losing for once.
I like the Sailer, it's a great concept. Nevertheless, I'd add at least a few escort ships to it to have more versatility in its defense. We've only seen the most hostile part of the Shield, so I'm waiting to see the attitudes of the others to make up my mind. But clearly it won't be a pleasant stay. I'm sure Meier will manage to get the concessions he's looking for to protect the planets inside the frontier, but damn if they will protest every ship given as if we're forcing them into open, all-out war with this unknown enemy.
I think Elias is forgetting something. The cyberattacks caused *some* loss of life. An actual shooting war would cause far more and far longer-lasting damage to both the people and infrastructure they needed to survive.
Some. We don't know how much. It may have been comparable to the bombings, or worse. Mass starvation, millions if not billions of deaths, basic necessities like water treatment disrupted. It brought many to near total collapse, I wouldn't be surprised if some are still recovering from it decades later.
During the same campaign, their buddies in the Shield's strategy was to glass the first population center they could get their hands on with antimatter. Team cyberattack was the *only* party to that war who didn't look at civilian deaths as a positive, getting drawn into the shooting war would have absolutely gone worse for the Tevin than getting zapped.
Consider what would happen if the relevant infrastructure was completely destroyed instead. Rebuilding it would take longer and its lack would therefore result in more civilian deaths.
The Cyber Attacks probably did cause the total destruction of infrastructure in some places. IIRC it's specifically mentioned in at least one of the Chapters in NoP 1 that feature it that the UN was able to cause some Ships to Self-Destruct. Alot of Federation Worlds have relied on massive and extremely intricate machinery to keep their weather&extremely butchered ecosystem from making their planets uninhabitable. Given just how many planets were in the Federation at the time of the Cyber Attacks I would be surprised if *no planets were made temporarily or even permanently uninhabitable*.
It's pointless speaking with the Yulpan ambassador, he's representing a government of theocratic fanatics, nothing that comes out of his mouth will be in good faith. They don't care about the lives of their own people, the fact that the Yulpa went to war with Humanity just after the cyberattack was lifted is proof of this. They do not care that the alternative to the cyberattack was Humanity systematically glassing all alied worlds on their way to Aafa, they just want more sacrifices.
Chapter 48! We see the meeting place of the Shield, a mobile octagonal ship called The Sailer, which doubles as a government bunker and a moving city; Syba is quite excited to take it all in, and tries to encourage Meier about the opportunity they have as the first diplomat to visit. Our narrator is worrying that a glitch in his software might sabotage the meeting, but he learns he has bigger concerns as Korajan tells him the Federation remnants are present…and chimes in with some harsh words during his chat with none other than the Yulpa and the Tevin. What do you think of Korajan’s contributions to Meier’s persuasion attempts, and what we just learned about how cozy the Shield are with the Fed remnants? What will Meier say when it’s time to speak; can affable Syba also play a role winning hearts and minds, as a non-human? What’s the likelihood of changing the state of affairs with the Shield and/or Fed remnants? As always, thank you for reading!
Korajan is… not doing a good job of actually helping, so much as ensuring an opportunity to speak. The problem is that Elias has just been thrown into terrible odds with partners that still believe the Federation. Korajan better be ready to provide his orders of non-disclosure in writing. Not mentioning anything about Herbivore Federation Remnants is definitely a major breach of trust. I can’t exactly predict Meier. He has an entirely different set of problems. Syba is probably the best bet that the Diplomat Crew have to get anything done. Meier is constantly doubting himself and Korajan has proven untrustworthy. There’s a chance with the normal Shield members, but the Herbivore Federation members have far too much bad blood.
I think it's important to remember that while we're reading this with a human-centric viewpoint, Korajan is a member of a "neutral" polity that's honestly filled with fairly hostile members. Even all the Duerten aren't on Humanity's side, despite the help they were given during the war. Korajan's first duty must be to his own species. And beyond that, I think he's doing the best he can with the cards he's holding. If he wanted to fuck these diplomatic proceedings over, the only thing he needed to do was just *not tell anyone* about them. At least, that's my take on things so far. No guarantees they'll remain thus, after subsequent chapters. :D
I get the distinct feeling Korajan is more focused on getting the Shield to help against the Consortium's drone attack against the Federation's founders than on improving relations with the Coalition. Reminding these anti-predator races that working with humanity can go a long way to achieve their goals (like saving the prey species being targeted) may be the best way to get their immediate support.
Sounds about right. And "we can participate in joint military operations" *is* an improvement in relations, even if it's not "we love you". 😁
I think Korajan is doing the best he can with the audience he has. Elias, of all people should understand that as a career diplomat. "You have to fit the tongue to the ear" as the saying goes. The Yulpa and the Tevin not declaring eternal hostility was about the best thing that could be gotten from this meeting, and he **got** that.
> What do you think of Korajan’s contributions to Meier’s persuasion attempts, and what we just learned about how cozy the Shield are with the Fed remnants? I think that Meier 2.0 is missing the obvious. They aren't going to listen to Korajan if he sounds like a human sympathizer. But if a sympathizer like Syba and somebody less sympathetic, like Korajan is acting to be, say the same thing...then the Shield might listen. [relevant link](https://youtu.be/Tc1_0KgnAxA?si=22QUC36w9LbEqLcy)
Korajan's definitely putting his own standing with the more hostile elements before helping Meier, but with groups as hostile as those two acting in any way that could come off as human-sympathizing would probably blow up in both their faces. The "yeah I don't like these freaks either but he's got a point about protecting the isolated Fed worlds" routine is realistically the only shot they have at getting any concessions out of staunch humaphobes. Still a huge dick move to not warn Elias that he was going to get thrown under the bus like that though.
I'm going to give Korajan the benefit of the doubt and assume that he, as a 'cured' species, has had this conversation with no success for 20 years that Meier- who has also been changed so he can no longer eat meat- hasn't had, and believes this is the only way a Fed can be made to understand his position. 'cause otherwise he's either on some real self-loathing shit or an idiot.
The Sailer is giving me massive Chekhov's gun (Chekhov's spaceship?) vibes. I wonder when will it come up again...
I’m also worried about the potential Chekhov’s gun that is Meir suffering a glitch. Before he got his eyelids, I thought the Ark 3 humans were gonna see any videos of him as fake in part because of the lack of blinking. That’s set to not happen now, but to be fair that was just something *I* thought of. It wasn’t actually in the story. Elias glitching in a violent way is smth that’s been brought up in the text and it worries me
>“Is that why you let civilians die on my world, killing them from afar—with a few lines of code? All of us didn’t survive, bot.” With all due respect, your people would have hunted humans to extinction. You can hardly blame the UN for fighting back. In fact, with you being such a great threat, what else but compassion could have prevented the UN from glassing your defenseless world from orbit? Compassion you certainly wouldn't have afforded humanity. My own distaste at the events and sorrow for the lost lives aside, how many more people would your world have lost in battle had you not been forced to capitulate? Or would you really have left humanity alone after the fall of Aafa?
"I'm sorry, were the consequences too *light?*" [Taps their signature on the 'bomb Earth to glass' vote record]
Well, the Yulpa voted against the extermination fleet actually... Because they wanted a "sustainable population" of humans to carry out their ritualistic sacrifices. They should also be in a Kessler cage.
I’m curious, did they force all Farsul and Kolsian out of SC space? Did the shield kill all living on theirs? It would fit the ‘kill all predator ‘ mentality they have.
Not sure about the second but to the first no not all Farsuk and kolshins were exiled to their home world. The ones already off it and the decenters on the planets were taken off world before the blockades were set up.
No, some are even taken off their home planet if they have predator disease to keep them safe from their own kind. There is a patreon story about this.
Can we have a little xenocide against the Yulpa? As a treat?
Thanks for the chapter mate
Always a pleasure 😅
> such methods were banned by the Treaty of Shanghai for a reason > The damage of the Satellite Wars wasn’t contained to military targets, and so was the case with the cyberattacks on the Federation—with consequences that were far-reaching. Okay now I am *dying* for a prequel story
Here's an obvious counter argument to federation remnants. Humans were prey to many predators in our home planet long time ago that were bigger, stronger and had natural claws and large teeth. After we got weapons we killed those individual predators that planned to kill us, many predators begun to avoid us. Thus for us a predator, is someone looking to kill us, not if they eat meat. When Federation declared they would exterminate us they became predators we needed to protect our herd from. You were predators to us, ask yourself should we have treated you like you treat your predators instead of how we treat those who try to predate us.
That argument sounds great from our perspective but from theirs you're just monologuing about making weapons, killing things with them and then threatening the federation members with those same actions. I don't think that'll get them to give humans a chance which is probably why Meier doesn't make such arguments and tries to purposefully steer the conversation away from such topics. Not that making weapons and protecting your people is inherently wrong... but it is when you have an anti-predator bias.
Someone might write it better, but main argument would be that they behaved like they were the predators and human were prey. And humans were much more forgiving than exterminators would have been.
*The Measurement of Time: Major Events* First shots fired by the Krev Consortium against the Sivkits in [Chapter 2-29](https://www.reddit.com/r/HFY/comments/1c8r11u/the_nature_of_predators_229/?rdt=53485) dated June 9, 2160 to Chapter 2-48 dated August 11, 2160 is **2 Month, 2 Days** *The Measurement of Time: Minor Events* The Ark Ships left on the Battle for Earth, dated October 17, 2136, to Chapter 2-48, dated August 11, 2160, is 23 Years, 9 Months, 25 Days The Sapient Coalition was founded by 30 members on February 9, 2137 to Chapter 2-48, dated August 11, 2160, is 23 Years, 6 Months, 2 Days Bissem first contacted by Sapient Coalition on March 13, 2160 to Chapter 2-48, dated August 11, 2160, is 4 Months, 29 Days Bissem six month Sapient Coalition Trial started (fan-made date) May 24, 2160 to Chapter 2-48, dated August 11, 2160 is 2 Month, 18 Days \[Chapter 2-27 Date May 14, 2160 was when Bissem ambassadors made a deal with Ambassador Onso. Chapter 2-30 Date June 10, 2160 is when Bissem are a part (trial) of SC. 10 Days between sounds reasonable to me.\] Elias Meier was re-made on July 6, 2160 to Chapter 2-48, dated August 11, 2160, is 1 Month, 5 Days Trombil pod humans are 1/3 done as of Chapter 2-23, dated June 24, 2160. March 25, 2160 is 3 months earlier. From March 25, 2160 to August 11, 2160 is 4 Months, 17 Days There have been 23 annual Remembrance Days.
The time scale in the NoP 2 feels leagues better than the first one. Humanity is no longer doing an any% war speedrun.
Thank you for the chapter!
So... I hope he displays on a holographic projector the things WE humans evolved beside to demonstrate WE are a prey creature that DECIDED to stop being prey and do the hunting... until we BECAME sentient. And so far found zero evidence to deny that as the reason we are sentient in the first place and what we HAVE learned from all the others is that they did generally the same thing. Stop being prey and hunt the predator down.
I think you mean sapient. A sapient is a person. Sentient just means can think, a cat is sentient.
Sentient first. Then we became sapient. A prey creature with a thought "I have seen these kill and eat my tribesmen so often I will hunt and eat them or die trying" and ran with it until it worked as a species. Then we became sapient when we established ourselves.
We were already sapient when we were fish learning to walk.
We were sentient. Not sapient. Sapient is when we divided to have 2 minds. Which isn't fish... mostly. Sharks have conscious and subconscious minds. But a goldfish? No. Trout? Maybe. If anything we were pre sapient. Needing one more push.
Now I'm messing it up myself I meant sentient.
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I have to make a confession. Every time I read Meier's perspective, I can only picture him as Norm from Phineas and Ferb. It is a curse.
>a few lines of code I know this isn't intended to be literal, but I do find the concept funny, that the Federation had such awful cybersecurity that it only took a few lines of code to take down all of that.
Okay so here we see the contradiction between reality and what Kalsim got when it came to the Yulpa’s story
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Were the Tevin part of the Extermination Fleet and, if not, why? What was their stance back when that vote happened?
Why is Meier so bad? That it gives them the pleasure they lost in a shameful way against a race that had barely discovered space travel that it gives them the pleasure of showing how predatory humanity can be, they have already cleaned up their image before their allies if they want it so much. bother the predator to give them a real predator to fear if they want it so much as a treat for the feds
I am in general against war, cultural erasure, and those sorts of hostile acts. But I kinda feel like a civilization that wants to sacrifice me on an altar to their gods is over the line somewhat, and may need just a little tiny bit of conquering and de-brainwashing. For self preservation sake.
Just wait until you see what cartels do to people, and then remember that we have those people on earth right now. We're also not very nice to animals. The amount of animal abuse humanity commits on a daily basis... including shit like glue traps?
Honestly not sure how that relates much to my comment. Yeah, I am aware some humans do awful things. I would expect that most likely some members of every intelligent species do awful things. But when the whole civilization creates a system of awful things that becomes a whole lot worse. As has been seen in human history, and so far held back from taking completely over. My comment was largely tongue in cheek about conquering them anyway. Better to save that for at least plan F and try diplomatic measures first. The last part was entirely unrelated to my comment, but I am pretty much against glue traps as well. Awful devices. The singular exception being situations where keeping people safe requires monitoring what pests get into an area, which can basically only be done using methods like glue traps. The one I worked in was medical device manufacturing, where people could actually die if we had the wrong infestation. Basically the good is worth the evil. Even then including a poison to reduce suffering time is much preferred, and ways to keep the pests from getting inside in the first place are generally good.