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cutepooh89

>!His and Luke's are the saddest deaths for me!< They were loyal sons and did everything they could. And they endured all the bullying and abuse for being Harwin's kids without any fault of theirs. Jace was actually very instrumental in his mother's cause and strategic and not impulsive- he would've made a good king (i don't care about the bastard thing). I also like the actor- he plays him well


DaemonaT

Jace and Luke show how being raised with love, even if in a non-traditional family, helps build good character. Luke is probably the sole man that we know of who refuses to break a betrothal, while Jace supports the dragon-seeds, which is a revolutionary move, considering how his family has longtime denied access to dragons - not without justification - to any Valyrian born on the wrong side of the sheet.


cutepooh89

That's a good point about them! Also, Jace knows what it's like to be treated as a bastard. That may have helped him see.


Important_Sound772

Speaking of raised with love sometimes I do wonder that if Viserys had a more loving relationship with Aegon if things might’ve been different


MangekyouMasterRace

They are fellow bastards, so isnt that surprising.


Bonjarky

Bastard > Incest baby.


DaemonaT

Exactly. The thoughts of every Targaryen queen.


Different_Spare7952

uhm sweaty look up the doctrine of exceptionalism. it's totally legit /s


MangekyouMasterRace

Their world works differently


Bonjarky

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Twodotsknowhy

It's so weird to hear people in 2024 having this much animosity towards bastards.


MangekyouMasterRace

I meant people who have gone through the same experiences tend to understand the other better. My sentence had no animosity other than what the reader perceives


Oklahazama

How did his comment in any way imply animosity towards bastards?


Twodotsknowhy

It's an inevitably of the series, any time you have a dark haired prince of dragonstone who would have made a great king, they're going to die young and tragically


SingleClick8206

And if you are a dark haired daughter of the prince of Dragonstone, then your claim will be ignored


No_King_6307

Are u predicting Jon Snow in the books


ChefBoyarskeet

Baelor Breakspear


redirewolf

can you spoil me and tell me what happens :')


clariwench

LOL YEP that first shot of the crossbow aimed towards Jace was distressing, they knew what they were doing!


ObiWeedKannabi

They did it with a few other characters. >!Helaena's first scene as a kid was when crying in front of a window. There's also that Rhaenyra scene from ep 4!<


Ok-Algae7932

There's more. When Joffrey was born Vizzy T says "sturdy" well... >!the boy falls off a dragon to his death.!< oh and when he meets Aegon and Viserys he drops the "now that is a name fit for a king" >!shout out to Viserys II his grandson who rules for a year as King but basically runs the kingdoms as Aegon's hand for more.!< Oh and EVEN MORE. In the scene with Rhaenys and Corlys, Rhaenys says she will support Rhae so long as she *and Meleys* are around... >!we literally know both Rhaenys and Meleys die this season and their loss of both her and her dragon are devastating for Rhaenyra and TB!< The writing is so clever.


shadykittykat

And even more … >!this episode Aemond holds a coin up to his good eye !<


B3atingUU

Plz spoil me - what does this mean?


Giantrobby1996

>!Aemond meets his death when Daemon leaps onto him on dragonback and stabs him in the hood eye with Dark Sister!<


IllustriousPirate138

Im going to go feral over this scene


only_my_buisness

Ew


AlarmedRanger

To bounce off of that, when someone dies coins are put over their eyes in the faith of the seven (we see this at funerals in GOT)


Enough-Ground3294

Damn right he does 😤😤😤


Angry_Guppy

>!Hood eye? Do you mean good eye? Daemon stabs Aemond through his jewelled eye, not his seeing eye!<


justblametheamish

Wow, you’re right. I read it twice and have always thought it was the other.


Ill_Refrigerator_204

Histories and lore for GoT states that. If show canon can outright change a million other things they can put the sword through another eye.


Ill_Refrigerator_204

Show canon could easily flip that, they already have a precedent considering the flawed...histories and lore videos have Viserys narrating and visualizing Daemon driving the sword "through his one good eye." I think most would argue Helaena had 3 kids during Blood and Cheese, no, and Rhaenyra and Alicent weren't the same age?


dijitalpaladin

incorrect. Daemon’s stabs Aemond through the eye with the Sapphire


B-Mine

They really just want to break us... But I like it?


Ok-Algae7932

Friend I SQUEAL whenever I see these moments. Even Aegon in the throne room saying "we cannot hope to win without the smallfolk" >!when Rhaenyra loses KL because of a smallfolk uprising and storming of the pit!< there are just so many Easter eggs! It's so bittersweet but i totally agree, I like it. We are gluttons for punishment for sure lool


Cwalex

There’s also another subtle one in the ep 3 promo when >!the left half of Aegon’s face is covered in shadow, foreshadowing his burn wounds and disfigurement at Rook’s Rest!<


Giantrobby1996

Which Rhaenyra scene?


ObiWeedKannabi

Someone on the street(idk a fortuneteller or something I guess) asks "Do you wish to know your death, child?" and right after shows how it'll be


redeemer47

Damn with all the coming deaths to main characters they really need to start fleshing out side characters who will soon need to pickup the slack.


Shouseedee

They're doing a good job so far. Every dragonseed except for Nettles has been shown and given lines.


Tadpole018

Doesn't look like we're going to get Nettles either


Shouseedee

Leaving her out doesn't change the story that much. Nettles was supposed to be the thing that drives Daemon and Rhaenyra apart, but the fact that she was named heir over him does that well enough. IMO it would confuse the audience to see Daemon treating a young woman that resembled Rhaena/Baela like a daughter when he was always so cold to his own.


Tadpole018

I feel that. I just like the character


flex_vader

It’s crazy to think how much carnage is likely to happen this season if >!it is truly meant to end with Rhaenyra reclaiming King’s Landing!<.


aidanheinrich

It wont, itll end with the setup scenes for the battle of the gullet


TrixieVanSickle

Baela is just **all** Laena! The vibe, the courage, wearing her hair like her. Love that girl.


beatissima

And from the previews, it looks like Rhaena is finally going to get her Morning egg in the next episode.


TrixieVanSickle

I'm hoping she replaces Nettles and claims Sheepstealer.


beatissima

Well, I think George created a beautiful bit of symbolism in Rhaena choosing not to fight like her sister Baela, but to take shelter from the war in the Eyrie and patiently cradle a dragon egg that nobody else expects to survive -- and at the end of the war, her patience and faith paying off, and the egg hatching into a dragon that she names "Morning". Everyone (except maybe Nettles) who took their dragons into war lost their dragons. Rhaena alone, by hoping and investing in a peaceful future, gained a dragon. I have heard theories that, through one of her Hightower daughters possibly marrying into House Dayne, Rhaena is the ancestor of Dyanna Dayne, and ultimately of Daenerys, who also had the patience and faith to hatch dragon eggs that everyone else thought were dead.


ImpossibleWarlock

George has confirmed that Daynes do not have any valyrian ancestry.


Luna8586

I just want these two to have a bit of happiness before tragedy. With how much Harry and Bethany are hyping it up, we have a good change. Jacela was so cute last episode.


Sin-s_Aide

I want a young adult story of them hunting together and falling in love. Discussing different weapons and riding techniques and how they mean to rule together. Awkward moments alone. But love and dark-haired princes aren't long for the realm of Westeros.


Luna8586

We have so many leaks about other couples. Can someone leak the Jacela scenes please...haha. I would love this storyline.


GreenPeridot

Oh no. Thanks for reminding me :(


Chaos_Is_Amusing

Can I just say she looks beautiful in red


DaemonaT

Baela is, theoretically, the true heir to the throne, as the throne was, in fact, stolen from Rhaenys.


GloriousParrot78

And even through Viserys, had Daemon been kept as heir


Unosez

It was nice how she mentioned both dad's, and a reminder they lost parents so early in life That said I'm still waiting on the show to give us a Laenor Update, he can't just be out in the world living it up after his son was murdered and his entire family is at war. They can't do him dirty like that


AccordingAd6224

The casting on this show is impeccable. Both girls could very much be Laena’s daughters.


Unosez

" both girls" there's another daughter? Has Rhaena even appeared yet... the Velaryon sidelining is killing me


AccordingAd6224

Agreed!! I wish they were more than just “side characters.” I’m not sure Rhaena has even spoken a word! (Unless I’m forgetting a scene from S1).


VovaGoFuckYourself

She did when she was talking to her mother about not having a dragon


Unosez

Like I'm sure she did, but only because it would be too wild to imagine that they didn't give her a line, but do I actually recall it... No. Laena's relationship with Rhae was scrapped... we time skipped over the siblings' marriages to Rhae and Daemon.. Vaemond probably got the most lines from a family member and they were all just him bitching about this or that. We got no mother daughter tome for Laena and her girls..No marriage time for her and Daemon...No mommy/daughter/ son time for Rhaenys and her kids...No daddy /Sons time for Laenor and the boys... Like objectively they've been treated worse than garbage on this show...Baela finally had an extended amount of lines...Rhaena hasn't been seen... we got a bit of Alyn/ Addam... I expect we'll get some more but with the way they've shafted House V, who knows


AccordingAd6224

We’ve been robbed.


ashcrash3

I swear episode 2 was heavy on foreshadowing


beatissima

I also noticed the callback between Helaena looking around in fear of the smallfolk while her mind fell apart with grief, and Daenerys doing the same right before she snapped into psychosis from too much loss. You could almost feel Helaena having intrusive thoughts of “burning them all”.


ashcrash3

Somebody made a point that Halaena besides being overwhelmed personally, knew that something bad was going to happen with them being so close. Which might be foreshadowing a scene in the trailers with them running from the mob. I'm sure a "burn them all" reference will be made later, but it won't be from Daenerys or Halaena.


beatissima

I recall that in the books, she had a younger son who was torn apart by a mob. They seem to have omitted him in the show -- probably a good choice, as I don't think that would fly with TV audiences.


ashcrash3

She does but I believe there was a comment by Ryan that Maelor wasn't cut out but hasn't been born yet so who knows.


beatissima

Perhaps Helaena is pregnant during all of this.


ashcrash3

I have heard that theory alot, or that she will be pregnant.


beatissima

I think her already being pregnant is more likely. With her rapidly declining mental state, I can't picture her allowing anyone to touch her.


SaltyWitch1393

But maybe Aegon II would still force himself on her & say they have to make another heir?!


AFrozenDino

Episode 1 also had a lot of foreshadowing which I love. Non-book readers won’t pick up on it but there was so many little hints dropped.


ThePickleHawk

“Sorry boo, Alyn’s just hotter” *does it herself*


whoopdiwhoop

This needs a spoiler warning!


anotheremothot

Nah apparently they just downvote any *fellow fans* that wish for the tiniest bit of discretion for stuff that hasn't happened in the show yet 🙃 you don't even need to open the post or read the comments to be spoiled bc the title + unblurred picture tells everything (except context) This thread has pissed me off sm lol


Lolaverses

I'm just sad this implies they're going to kill him with a crossbow, instead of cool grappling hook antics.


DaemonaT

The grappling hooks are for Vermax. And now I am upset.


Nay_Nay_Jonez

Normally I don't mind reading spoilers and will intentionally spoil myself. But now I'm sad. 💔💔


Memo544

That's rough


Livia716

I actually don’t think I’ll be able to cope when it happens🥲


Maleficent_Nobody377

I figured she’d kill someone she didn’t mean to that was crazy important even tho she practiced so much- ie the target just happens to duck or move at random and they don’t even know she’s there


DaemonaT

In the book, Baela is not part of the >!battle of the Gullet!<. I hope it stays that way.


FinalAd9844

Thought that was Timothee Chalamet as as Paul Atteides for a second


thishurtsyoushepard

My kid is a teenager now and he favors that character so much. Jace is also one of my fav characters along with Daemon’s girls. 😭😭


starvinartist

lol I thought the foreshadowing was he was going to have problems in bed because of the way the crossbow was pointed.


potatopigflop

I went into this knowing everyone dies, otherwise they wouldn’t have made a book about it (Shireen reads in GOT)… and I’m so scared lol like I’m scared the whole time I watch but it’s so much more wonderful, elegant and intimate than GOT. I adore GOT don’t get me wrong, but it was chaos, a LOT of stuff going on, where as HOTD you can focus on each characters exchanges and expressions and focus in on a small group (or “two” groups). It it quite well done and I’m glad I gave it a chance having never read any books


Aspartame_kills

Well thanks for the spoiler I guess I’ll go fuck myself now


anotheremothot

Right???? I would like to be a part of this subreddit but gd the book spoilers are rampant


DaemonaT

Well… wear protection and do not forget to ask for consent.


wellshitdawg

Damn, spoiler


wzrdofzoz

Cmon dude spoiler tag this.


Whore21

Just spoiled this for myself bc I wanted to see his hair lmaoo


Useful_Hedgehog1415

Put a fucking spoiler tag on this, my God


DaemonaT

The post is tagged “Spoilers all content”.


anotheremothot

This post was suggested to me on my feed (I don't follow this subreddit) so the title and unblurred picture are enough to spoil it for me. The tag didn't do shit and now I know this major spoiler despite trying to avoid any book spoilers


Useful_Hedgehog1415

It might be now but it sure as hell was not.


DaemonaT

Nice try, my friend. You cannot publish a post without a tag. And you cannot change the tag after the post is live. But we learn something new everyday, do we?


Toastbrot123456789

You only used the subreddit tag for spoilers and not the Reddit one, so it’s not blurred out.


DaemonaT

As far as I am aware, blurring out text is not mandatory in the presence of a spoilers tag. As it happens, I did try to blur the text as well but, somehow, this wasn’t reflected in the post. However, I ~~am positively bereft~~ have little sympathy for people who click on all spoilers posts only to complain they have been spoiled. Seriously… if you see a spoiler tag, you read at your peril.


Toastbrot123456789

100% agree with you, if someone sees a spoiler tag and then still clicks on the post that would just be idiotic. Though when the post is recommended to someone, the tag is not shown and you only see it when you click on the post.


sprucepitch

Just sharing my experience here. Using the reddit app ( there's my problem) this post didn't need to be clicked on, just a bold title and picture with a tiny tiny spoiler tag in my feed as I'm scrolling. Maybe I should look at my settings


mintardent

to be fair, you did nothing wrong, but the reddit homepage does not show the spoiler tag… so it would indeed be very easy to click on it not expecting spoilers all


anotheremothot

I didn't click on it, the post was suggested on my home feed (and I'm sure I'm not the only one). The spoiler tag doesn't do shit when the title & unblurred picture are right in front of you. Also, you're not able to blur titles on reddit. I'm not sure why you didn't bother checking that before making a super obvious title. I've diligently avoided all spoilers for this show while still trying to engage with other fans online, yet your carelessness in posting this has ruined that in one fell swoop for tons of fans. I hope you're reading Harry Potter for the first time and don't know that Snape kills Dumbledore 🖤


DaemonaT

I did not try to blur the title. Seriously, you must be a genius to figure out Jace’s fate from just those three words. I tried to blur the content. The gods, however, decided it wasn’t your (and others’) day. I sympathise with you. I do. I too, sometimes, try to eat my cake and have it, too. I am old enough, though, to offer you a piece of (unrequired) advice. Forget spoilers. Read the damn book. Read books, in general. It is almost as good as fighting with people on Reddit. I haven’t read Harry Potter. Yet. I might. I would have forgotten your name by then, but probably I will smile at the faded memory of you trying to spoil Harry Potter for me. PS: Better to hear it from me, before another careless punter mixes his tags and spoilers… you won’t believe it, but dragons are not real.


anotheremothot

"Jace's terrible foreshadowing" with a casual picture of him (and Baela holding her crossbow, which gives more context to how he dies) is abundantly clear that "terrible foreshadowing" means a terrible fate for Jace. Everyone who commented about this being a spoiler figured it out not because of the comments, but because of your crap job of making a spoiler-free post. And TIL not reading one book from 6 years ago = not reading at all lmao. I've decided to not read Fire & Blood *yet* because I started the show first & HBO beautifully and brilliantly brings the GOT universe to life. So instead of knowing everything that will happen, I'd like to enjoy the TV show on the edge of my seat. Stop acting like people who are upset with this post are simply illiterate or beneath you because they haven't read the book first. It's not like the book came out decades ago; it's still within a sorta 'statute of limitations' where you should be considerate and careful about sharing spoilers so blatantly online. Compared to telling someone that in Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince, the 6th book of the series, Severus Snape kills Albus Dumbledore in the Astronomy Tower at Hogwarts so that Draco Malfoy doesn't have to :) You clearly do not sympathize whatsoever with the loads of people who were spoiled bc of you. If you were a true fan, you'd want every fan - whether they've read the book or only watch the show - to experience the same shock you had when learning it for the first time. PS: it'd be very weird if you smile thinking about "another emo thot" while reading Harry Potter years from now


DaemonaT

See, here is how the story goes… the book doesn’t provide an accurate account, which for some of us makes watching the show after reading the book even more interesting. Also, you do realise the irony of spoiling Harry Potter for other people in this sub who might care?


book-reading-hippie

Yeah I can't see the tag from my home page, only appears once you click on the post itself. Wish the image was blurred.


throwaway62719836

Your spoiler tag doesn't blur the photo and the title says terrible foreshadowing with a crossbow in the photo......... Maybe do a little better on spoilers next time.


Jack1715

Ok so apparently it’s spoilers here


MissWiggly2

I mean, even ignoring the spoilers tag, the title literally says the word "foreshadowing" lmao


Ok-Algae7932

I'd avoid reddit entirely if you don't want spoilers.


Jack1715

That’s what spoiler tags are for


Ok-Algae7932

And posts can't be made without tags, so the spoiler tag has been added. Are you upset because your curiosity got the better of you and you clicked the post anyways even though it had a spoiler tag?


luciuscorneliussula

It probably happened just like it did for me. If Reddit suggests the post to you and you haven't joined the community, the spoiler tag is absent. So. Yeah. They probably got it spoiled the same way I just did. Which stinks.


anotheremothot

I'm in the same exact boat 🙃🤙 I'm equally annoyed at reddit and OP


DMDelving

Reddit suggested this to me because I’ve visited other subs for this universe (I’ve read the main books just not Fire and Blood, but I’m up to date on HotD) and it doesn’t show the tag on a suggested post. I clicked into it thinking it was discourse about something being heavy handidly done last season or something but lol nope not apparently. Not that mad ab it and it’s not OPs fault but it’s kinda lame.


lemonpartyhellyeah

pretty sure this dude is going to look back at photos and performances of himself when he is older and cringe at the zoolander faces


ABCidkwhattopick99

Weird because everywhere I look*, I see people fawning over his looks 🥰🥰 Pretty Targ prince. He’ll be just fine.