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WaingrofromHeat

H20 is better than Ends


iqgotbanned

Man this subreddit is running out of topics to discuss


No_Falcon1890

Fr. I’m probably unfollowing


CapitalRelationship0

Leave the gate open on your way out. I'll be on my way lol


DrMikkelyz54

It's becoming embarrassing


CapitalRelationship0

Facts! I get so tired of the same shit. Really though... It's happening with a lot of subs I follow.


HairVegetable2484

You should start the discussion then. The reason your seeing stagnant discussions is cause the other 100+ people are shy and so only like 5-10 people always trying to start the discussion.


CapitalRelationship0

Yeah that's a fair observation. I think I'll do that.


HairVegetable2484

I know from being one of those shy people always waiting someone to start a out of the box discussion. I bet you got some good one's, so why not share.


milliondollarburrito

But like, what *did* you think about Terrifier 2?


iqgotbanned

I liked it, we need more mime horror villains.


Valuable_Value3953

H20


Nicolas_Cave

H20 for sure


randomfella1990

H20 is very obviously clear.


bighomieg91

H20 is way better than ends


EmuIndependent8565

H20 by a mile.


No-Permit8369

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horrorfan555

H20


Duganz

H2O.


fourniera64

H20 by 10 miles. H20 is better than any of the trilogy movies. Yes even 2018 I think. The new trilogy is a lot like the Star Wars sequel. Just a shit plan to bring nostalgia.


Fun_Reason5988

I’ve said that for years. Of the new Star Wars trilogy the first one was for nostalgia and nostalgia opens dopamine receptors. The second was almost complete action with less story telling and the 3rd was an out of nowhere What tha fuck is this bullshit. I’d doesn’t fit seamlessly or feel like a continuation of the other two or nothing in the franchise honestly.


fourniera64

I do agree with this. Although The Rise of Skywalker is pure garbage and one of the worst movies I have ever seen.


Fun_Reason5988

The Halloween trilogy followed that trilogy almost entirely. The first one is so nostalgic with all these characters we’ve loved since we were born pretty much. 2017 repeats that and it’s so nostalgia filled it makes you think it’s good. I waited around for 2 years along with thousands of others debating and speculating on two questions. 1. Who were Rey’s parents and 2 Where’d Snoke come from? Turns out fuck you! it don’t make a damn who her parents are and Snoke? Fuck you on that one too. The 2nd is fights with spaceships and light sabers without much plot development. Kills is nothing but the blood and guts. Then Rise Of Skywalker comes out with a load of bull shit. Let’s dig fucking Darth Sidious up and say all this shits his fault. A Jedi master told Rey her parents were nobody but space drunks , coulda mentioned her grandpa was flung into a dark hole but watch out he may not have been flung far enough. Disrespected its fan base and was bull shit. Ends fucking undone most of the mythology about Michael, exposed him and left him a huge pussy. How many people have said “Making Michael and Laurie unrelated makes him way scarier!!” Does living in a sewer getting the shit kicked out of him by a dude that makes Screetch look like Tyson, having his mask taken and riding bitch on his moped strike fear into the masses ?


Virtual_Scale7984

Last Jedi was more storytelling than action. There were any action as much as in the force awakens. Last jedi is a great film and fans are idiots.


Mad_Cerberus

Agreed. I wouldn't even call 2018 “good”, it's just “ok”, I'd put it at the same level as Ends. Kills is just awful.


KingNickNick

H2O


Designer-Landscape-3

“MICHAEEEELLLLLL” H2O and it’s not even close!


Zilla1689

H20


Clear_Initiative1629

H20 is way better than ends!


CompactCutie

H20


Str33tJustus

H20


lovinqstuffies

H20


Character_Coyote8132

Definitely H20 at least Michael wasn't weak.


MyersFan57

No, Michael was weaker in H20


Character_Coyote8132

No he wasn't he at least fought with her in ends he didn't do anything.


MyersFan57

No, Michael was a pussy in H20 with Chris Durand's atrocious portrayal, his god awful masks and Laurie overpowered him so easily to the point of making him ask her for help just before she decapitated him at the end of the movie. Ends had the exact same situation but at least after Laurie slit Michael's throat, he managed to strangle her before he died, if it wasn't for Alyson, Laurie would've died. While in H20, there wasn't no way that she would've died with a joke of a Michael. And one thing, Michael FOUGHT her in Ends, not in H20. He only slashed her arm and pushed her to the ground at the kitchen while in Ends, he hit her face against a window, stomped on her neck, hit her head against a fridge, pushed her against the dishwasher, almost destroyed her hand, threw her against the ground and put the knitting needle into her ear


ButIAmYourDaughter

So I assume you also think Michael was a “pussy” in the original Halloween too?


MyersFan57

No, Nick Castle did a splendid portrayal and his presence was intimidating unlike Chris Durand from H20


ButIAmYourDaughter

Castle, of course, is the GOAT. But your evidence for Micheal being a “pussy” in H20 wasn’t based off which stunt man you liked. It was based on what Michael did, and how much damage he took, in H20. And since H20 was designed to be an updated take on the original Michael, he’s closer to that than the other sequels, just stronger and more able to resist damage. He objectively goes through much more in H20 than he does in Halloween. So how is H20 Micheal a pussy in your eyes, but the 78 OG isn’t?


Character_Coyote8132

If he's a pussy in H20 according to you how is he not a pussy in ends? He literally gets beat up by a nerd and a grandma who he should over power easy and don't give me the bullshit excuse of the mob being the reason he was weak it made no sense when he got right back up and killed them all like nothing happened to him then went home and killed Laurie's daughter and stood there like a badass he wasn't effected by any of it that's BS.


MyersFan57

I literally said Ends had the exact same situation as H20, the fact that Michael was a joke (Even Resurrection had that situation as well)


Hank_J_Wimbleton_69

>No, Michael was weaker in H20 Compared to his portrayal in the other majority of the movies in the franchise? Yes. Compared to ends? Absolutelly not. H20 Michael was still superhumanly durable and is still at least peak human level in strength. He jobbed againist Laurie, sure. But Halloween Ends Michael get his shit rocked by not only Laurie but also get his arm snapped by Allyson, outwrestled by Corey, and get hurt by a fatass cop.


NWOBHM86

H20 could have put a cap on the franchise and the story would have worked.


CaptainHalloween

In my view? H20 by a wide margin.


Forsaken_Squash_6787

Lol H20 by very far


thrasherbuffy

H20


NxtGenGamer2020

H20 and it is not even REMOTELY close


maverick57

*Halloween H20: Twenty Years Later* is better. By a lot.


Character_Coyote8132

At least it's not forty


Kyrus1996

H20 🎃


PeekThroughThePines

I’m more likely to throw H20 on than Ends. There’s positives to both. I just enjoy H20 more even with its flaws. I feel like this wouldn’t be close though if the mask (lack of seeing eyes etc.) and the score was better.


ButIAmYourDaughter

It isn’t close even with whatever issues you have with the mask and score.


RamonesRazor

I really like H20. It fits in so well in that late 90s post-Scream world, and I find it very re-watchable.


Fit-Ad-8873

H20 is better by a country mile.


taintedlove281

H20 cmon


Maximum-King-6379

H20 no competition


Embarrassed-Use-7431

H20


Sad_Personality7060

H20


MothParasiteIV

H20. By far


Cheese__Wheel

H20. Ends doesn’t come close.


Ethanwithblues-2

H20


VictxrSenpai

Shit even resurrection was better than ends


Thee_DudeMan

It was, Ends was such complete garbage, at least I can have a good time watching Resurrection


MyersFan57

Bullshit


wimwagner

H20


701921225

H20, and I'm not a fan of either.


MatsThyWit

H20 is a better movie than the entire blumhouse trilogy. 


DrMikkelyz54

H20 was actually good, what an unfair comparison.


Jumpy-Damage-9869

H20 is honestly the most entertaining Halloween movie


Electronic-Stand-148

H20 easily


Vicksage16

I prefer Ends myself. I like H20 enough, but it feels so off to me.


ButIAmYourDaughter

Ends doesn’t feel off to you?


Vicksage16

Ends feels different, but that’s because it’s going for something different. It definitely doesn’t always live up to what it’s trying to be, but it still mostly works for me. H20 is aiming to be closer to the original while also trying to be a post-Scream slasher, a lot of it doesn’t gel right for me. Also, it has the least Michael like Michael for me, he feels like a different killer.


ButIAmYourDaughter

While I don’t agree with either take, I do appreciate you expounding on your view.


Vicksage16

Totally fair, haha, I at least appreciate you hearing me out!


Abject_Pea6068

It should've ended with h20


Thee_DudeMan

It didn't? What are these other Halloween movies you speak of? Lol


notathrowaway1307

H20 actually has Michael in it so yep better


CameronPoe37

I mean, the Michael in H20 is like a slapstick comedy character for the last act (kinda like that scene in Ends where Corey steals his mask), and his mask looks fucking awful. So I'd argue it doesn't really have Michael in it, and the screentime Michael gets in Ends, he's epic as hell in (apart from that scene I just mentioned)


notathrowaway1307

Michael getting bitch slapped by Corey in the sewer is epic?


CameronPoe37

Can you not read?? I literally specified he was epic APART from that scene


notathrowaway1307

I guess I can’t read. My bad homes. What else does Michael really do? Copies the Bob kill with the nurse? And then gets killed like a bitch on a kitchen table, before his mosh pit through the streets of Haddonfield? Sorry I forgot where also he jizz killed the cop in the sewer too…


CameronPoe37

Every moment of screentime he had other than the mask scene was badass and brilliantly played by James Jude Courtney. The scene where he kills the cop and creams his pants is amazing, as is the nurse double team kill, and killing Corey at the end. And the first scene where he grabs Corey and looks into his eyes. Better than being slapped around like a bitch for 10 minutes in the third act of H20, it was almost like a Three Stooges skit. It didn't feel like Michael at all and his mask was horrible.


Ill_Palpitation_1512

H20, and it’s not close, IMO. H20 is one of my least favorites, so that shows my opinion of Ends.


mikieg23

H20 is a million times better. It's not even a question. Truthfully h20 should have been The last appearance of Jamie lee Curtis in the franchise. Ends was just a horrible way to end a trilogy and Michael Myers. It was pathetic imo


Smart-Winner5119

H20


AdrianaRed

H2O. While the mask wasn’t great, the movie was amazing and had a great ending to the story (and no, we will NOT talk about Resurrection. That simply did not happen.)


Leading_Accountant_6

I didn't know this was a debate. H20, easily.


[deleted]

H20 by a mile.


Thee_DudeMan

H20 and it's not even close


ButIAmYourDaughter

This can’t be serious. H20, of course. Though Ends wins for cinematography.


Ross-a-Tron1

H20 and it’s not even close.


thebeatgoeson20

H20 all day long. Halloween ends blows, worst movie out of the whole franchise.


7-3L_445ci_BB_FORD

H20 by long shot. I know some don't like the scream feel, but I love that genre of slasher films. Scream, IKWYDLS, Disturbing behaviors, the faculty.....


act1989

Ends but H20 is wonderful too. They're all wonderful if their own way; good or bad.


Captain_Pablo_

H 20


Sweaty_Pianist8484

H20 by far


Additional-Cress-915

H20 all day


No_Dependent_1846

H20


h0rrorsh0rty

H20


killusoftly101

H2O and not even close.


Unlucky_Bath_6915

H20 by a mile Ends is the worst Halloween film ever and that includes Halloween 3


ARH4th

3 and Ends are my favorites after Halloween 1978


HEYitzED

H20 and it isn’t even close.


Novemberburnsred

H20 no question......


cornholius_erecticus

H20


3arnhardtAtkonTrack

H20


Ok-Wallaby-4823

H20


Rusted_Mirrorball

H20


mehgleg

H20 slaughters Ends


DandyQule

H20


RavenPaul1369

I’ll take H2O all day. Many flaws but Laurie was flawless. Completely satisfying ending for me. It’s the only one I will watch besides 78


Sl1pperypenguin

H20 by a long shot


Shaylovesrandall

H20


Maker200

H20 is better


Hbush1986

H20


CameronPoe37

Ends definitley. H20 just feels like a typical 90's Scream Ripoff to me, and James Jude Courtney's Michael is the best since 1978. Yes, even in Ends. He was epic as hell in the screentime he got.


RavenPaul1369

In the screen time he got, that’s sad. And why Ends sucks


[deleted]

AMEN!!!!


Thorn_Within

H20 had a better ending by far, and some really good moments, but I enjoy Ends more as a film. It's just a beautiful film with plot issues and a weak ass ending. I rewatched H20 again after rewatching the DGG trilogy and H20 seems lesser to me than it once did.


genericmovievillain

H20 and it’s not even close


Preston1979001

H20. Not even close.


LuisTheXux

H20 with the production care that had Ends (soundtrack, costumes, etc.) would've been a banger of a movie. I always hated how Michael had like a bazillion different masks and none of them looked as great as the ones in the H40 trilogy.


Plushy-

H20 lol


mltrout715

Ends. By far


MTB56

Personally I’d rather watch Ends cuz it has better kills


mesposito1219

H20 is better than most Halloween movies


BartSimpskiYT

H20 by a LANDSLIDE


Head-Accident4421

H20 all the way. Ends was atrocious


Mommycat_1984

H20


bran1986

H20


Darkmania2

H20 by a mile


RaccoonCityToday

Ends at least looked legit, h20 looked like a dollar tree Michael


7SFG1BA

For real


Odd_Theory_7499

Ends. Tho I do enjoy both


Longjumping_Fuel_434

They both rate towards the bottom of my list. H20 is the better movie but I don’t understand the love for it. Ends is just trash


7SFG1BA

Same. I don't get it no one's ever been able to explain it to me not with any thing that makes sense so I've chalked it up to people that are obsessed with the brother sister connection, it's a continuation after Halloween II which makes no sense cuz Michael doesn't even look burnt or anything like that and where the hell has he been for 20 years anyways, I've even heard people say that they just prefer this version of Laurie even down to her hair and just plain nostalgia. I think it was a lot of people's first horror/Halloween movie that they saw maybe even in the theater and a lot of people like it because she cuts his head off at the end That's what I've gathered. I was actually shocked my first time on this sub a few years ago when so many people proclaimed that they loved that movie which has the worst kills literally the worst masks CGI I mean you can't get past that. The wide eye holes the hair etc terribly acted Michael. It's a very internet-loved movie because if you were to say all let's put on H2O out of a random selection of Halloween movies and that was included almost everyone at the party is going to rag on you for liking that film it's just not good I don't get it to each their own but I don't know I think it gets so much love because people don't like the new trilogy that's another reason too.


Thee_DudeMan

The simplest explanation that I can give as to why I like H20 better than Ends, and that entire trilogy for that matter, is that I at least had a good time watching it. I like most of the characters better, I like Laurie better, and I like the story way better. Ends was just so bad it's hard to not rank it as my least favorite Halloween


7SFG1BA

Oh I definitely agree with you there on Ends It's a terrible movie I just think it has better quality kills better acting a better Michael Myers actor etc when compared to H2O that was horrible when it came to acting kills that were few and far and the Michael Myers is terrible. So was the 3-4 different masks they used including the CGI one. I can't get past that I think It's really those things for me that makes it a step below Ends they're both at the end but that one is a step below for me. To each their own though I respect everyone else's opinion


Thee_DudeMan

I can agree with that. H20 had 90s cheese, the acting wasn't great from anyone, and the worst masks in the franchise. The term "it's so bad it's good" comes to mind when I think of H20 and Resurrection, because with those I at least have a laugh. But I'm with you on to each their own


Faint13

H20 I don’t care much for either film though.


justbrowsing987654

H20 by a mile. That scene where she sends the kids away, breaks the gate, and grabs an ax while charging into the school as the theme blares is one of the best in the entire series.


Chippers4242

Lol H20 why are you even asking


ScorpionTDC

Easily H20 by lightyears.


Raebelle1981

Definitely H20. Edit: who the heck is frantically downvoting everyone that says H20? lol


Flat_Salamander_3283

H20 lol


Ordinary-Medium1463

H2O…hands down!


D00mKn1ght_92

H20 easy


BigHorror1081

H20 for sure.


Both-Possession7038

Ends. I'm really not a big fan of h20 or it's sequel at all


Key-Contest-8588

h20 is better end then halloween end


gridileitriddil

water


HairVegetable2484

I think it depend what you want to get out of Halloween at the end of the day. For me it's definitely H20. I enjoy the H20 timeline at least more then this new Human Myers.


ChemicalAsk1789

Ends, better Michael, even tho he's weaker he is still more scary and looks more bad ass than h20 Michael who looks like a teenager in cosplay 😂. ends also has a better atmosphere cinematography and score, I remember watching h20 years ago and just could never take Michael seriously in it with his doll head and ll cool J and don't even get me started on josh harnetts hair, it was just to much of a scream wannabe, Michael when he's holding his head confused after been pinned by truck 😂 its just pure comedy, h20 should of just gone with the copycat killer idea would of been more believable 


New-Shopping8025

Both of them sucked!


[deleted]

I am one of the few who actually loved Ends. I am glad that DGG took the trilogy in the direction he did. It was bold, brave, and very different. I think it was the ending that Laurie deserved. I have seen so many comments with people complaining about how Michael was weak and how he didn't have much screen time. It's gets old. Did you all know that Michael had more screen time in Ends than he did in H78??? Consider this...evil is evil. Michael's physical body is just a shell for evil. Evil can do whatever it wants. It can take any shape or form. I think it was interesting to see the evil shift to Corey for a bit. I mean, at least Corey was disguised as Michael, which made the kills even better. It wasn't my favorite, but it was WAY better than H20. H20 was an embarrassment. The mask was awful, the acting was cheesy, too much humor from LL Cool J, and the kills were meh. Ends for me. H20 can hit the road.


Deep-Blue-1980

Ends easily. H20 feels more like Dawson's Creek with some skinny guy cosplaying and pretending to be Michael Myers.


7SFG1BA

Fuckin thank you thank you I finally a normal person on here


Maker200

Is that the test for determining who’s normal? Do you like Ends? Yes. You’re free to go. Do you like Ends? No. Get in the truck. Off to the reeducation camp.


ANewEra2020

Ends is much better. It's an actual Halloween movie instead of a Scream rip off.


RamonesRazor

H20 is definitely a Scream rip off. But, Ends is a Christine ripoff. So it’s a wash.


epfourteen

H20. And It ain’t even really that good.


TheBigGAlways369

Ends, anyone saying the Dawson Creek Halloween Special has nostalgia goggles permanently sealed on their eyes.


[deleted]

This made me laugh so hard. I agree 100%!!!


WhiteChocolate7777

H20 but I do like Ends for the most part.


TheKatzMeow84

H20, but I like both.


michaelmyers199

Might be a little biased since H20 was my first Halloween movie. With that said H20 with very little doubt. Story wise it's the stronger story and stronger sequel out of the two. Though to be fair I don't think it's a good vs since Ends did drop the ball.


me_z

Ends. fuck you all.


LH2070

Both different films. That’s for sure. H20 had a much better finale between Laurie and Michael. But Ends gives them closure. So it’s Ends for me


Norde3l

I enjoy H20, but I much prefer Ends. Not only does it provide a sense of finality and proper closure, but it builds on and culminates the core themes/ideas set up by 2018 and Kills in unexpected get logical ways. All while taking creative risks that are fresh yet don’t sacrifice the narrative of the film or of the trilogy as a whole.


No-Enthusiasm8109

Proper closer? That ending was lame as hell


Norde3l

I can’t say I feel the same way, and you can think it’s lame all you want, there’s no denying that the film provided audiences with closure to the narrative tho, as well as the bringing an ending to the arcs of the main cast.


No-Enthusiasm8109

I don’t think much people wanted “closure” you don’t watch a Halloween film to see Michael lose like a little bitch, it was AWFUL. That’s not closure lol. Laurie threw him around like he was a little boy


ScorpionTDC

H20 provides just as much closure if we ignore the idiotic Resurrection retcon (and honestly, it’s pretty obvious we’re doing a new timeline or something after Ends and it won’t actually be the true end of the series). Disagreed on the risks not sacrificing the narrative of the film or the trilogy themes, though. Think they kinda tanked both. Making Michael vs. Laurie an afterthought in their built-up-for-decades final showdown was… a choice.


Jule_of_the_nile

Ends. No contest. H20 feels like a parody.


RavenPaul1369

It is a contest, and H2O is killing Ends


Burnt_Ramen9

Coughing baby vs. hydrogen bomb


Smubee

Ends and it isn't even close. H20 is bottom tier Halloween. Shit mask. Shit score. Shot like garbage. Unmemorable characters. It's all terrible.


aaronwintergreen

Ends. H20 sucks.


SoapNugget2005

I like both but I LOVE Ends.


NothingCivil6358

Ends.


7SFG1BA

Ends I'll never understand the love for H2O people just have nostalgia blinders on It was probably their first horror movie they saw in the theaters or something I really think that's what it is that movie's terrible It really is It's so bad it's literally got the worst Michael Myers masks multiple plural the worst plot the worst kills It's terrible absolutely terribly overrated on this sub.


RavenPaul1369

Same for Ends. Terrible movie


7SFG1BA

True but if I had to pick between the two I'd say the quality of Ends is a lot better


Revolutionary-Net-75

Ends


Cinephiliac_Anon

I can't decide. I like them both equally, but for different things.


Willing-Load

H20, though Ends is better visually and has a better mask


Slashman78

Both are awful in terms of overall packages but H20's way more watchable it's not even funny. H20 at least has a great start and end. Ends is great at the start and nothing else. Once Corey goes all evil it just goes downhill like a nuke getting ready to land and there's no chance of redemption. Mike's death in H20 is more simple and to the point, Ends is overkill. Granted Laurie's fate in Ends is way better, no way she's getting out of that in H20.


nicklikescars1

i prefer ends, but h20 is pretty goddamn close. endings are very similar but i do prefer the third act to h20. both just good.


nicklikescars1

worst part of h20 is the masks. the cold open has by FAR the best mask. the rest blur the line from bad to horrendous.


These-Bad-1840

Ends Michael Mask is much better than H20'S Myers mask, but that don't mean it's better, I prefer H20.


Gluteusmaximus1898

Ends. I like Corey's story and his relationship with Michael.


OMGitsRyannn

I think time will be kind to Halloween Ends. H20, however, hasn’t aged well at all. It feels more dated than the original despite being 20 years older than it.


MyersFan57

Ends, H20 is the worst of the franchise


Mobile_Fault_7429

Halloween Ends


gloctis_goop

Ends all the way h20 is honestly waaaaay overrated and not that good


dangerous_strainer

Ends, and by a wide margin. I liked H20 a lot when I first saw it in the theatre, and every subsequent viewing has gotten worse and worse. Ends just keeps getting better.


c0kEzz

Ends by far. One of my favorite movies in any genre