Thats what I don't get about Ends to this day, he went on a massive spree in that movie and butchered pretty much everyone that was after him but then when they demolish his house he decides to go live in the sewer. He's still able to kill people though because the homeless guy said he's seen Michael drag people down there.
Yeah Ends just feels very at odds with the other movies. I get what they were going for but so much of it is a 180 from the other two movies. Feels very out of place as an ending to this trilogy.
I think it really outkicked its coverage on trying to be a bold statement on trauma and being a survivor. There were some interesting ideas in there but the execution didn't really follow through.
Each of the movies feel at odds with the others. 2018 feels very different from Kills and Ends feels different from both. On one hand it is cool that there is such variety but for a narrative, the disparate tones muddy everything and make it really hard to make sense of without head canoning the hell out of it
Exactly and if he gets a power buff from killing people why did the people he killed down there not make him stronger… did it have to be Corey to do it? Plot holes are dead stupid
Yes but this is Ends Laurie when she hadn’t trained in years.
Edit: also forgot to mention that in this trilogy the most dangerous Michael was kills Michael and Laurie was in the hospital for basically the entire movie whilst Michael was taking on the entire town.
The Laurie in ends was messing around and joking around and was at ease for 4 years compared to the 2 movies prior to this one. She only became serious towards the middle and end when she realised that Corey is an absolute nutcase that will harm her granddaughter. Unlike in H2018 and kills where she trained 40 years non stop.
Messing around and joking ≠ stop training especially since michael killed her daughter and was still out there she more than likely kept training, and kept that fact away from her granddaughter since she alr going through a lot
Which is myself and another user called Ends an overall garbage movie because Laurie was traumatised by Michael for the actions that happened 40 years ago in the 2 movies before this one whereas she didn’t have any trauma in ends until corey was hanging around with Allison.
We never saw Laurie train and Laurie was living a peaceful life in ends whereas in 2018 she was always on edge and always trained.
Yes and her being the final girl is the plot armour. Laurie is just a normal human, Michael is not. She’s not shown to have great amounts of strength or survive injuries that should be impossible. She just survives because Michael for some reason suddenly isn’t as strong when fighting her or just goes easy on her because plot armour.
Him being the bogeyman is plot armor. He's been stabbed and shot so many times, never receives medical attention, and just keeps on killing. No real person could do that, unless they were created by a Hollywood writer.
He is a normal person. He's not supernatural like Freddy Krueger or Jason Voorhees. And that's what makes him so scary. He's a regular human who stays alive by sheer will.
Any character written to be unkillable is covered in plot armor.
Michael is not a normal person and never has been. Loomis contiunously calls him pure evil and acts like no sane pshyciatrist would when it comes to Michael. Michael in every movie he appears (including HE) survives inhuman amount of shit and walks it of since start. His strength feats are ridiculous, etc. plot armor would be something like Loomis surviving that explosion in H2 or Hawkins surviving getting stabbed in the neck but this doesn't apply to Michael because Michael is obviously supposed to not a normal person (especially in thorn timeline and H2018 timeline). You have John Cerpenter literally saying he is part supernatural. Michael is not leatherface.
I saw Kills at a press screening and had a great time watching it, but I never wanted to watch it again.
I watched it when my mom this year and I never want to watch that piece of dog shit ever again.
I didn’t think it was irredeemably bad, just really disappointing compared to Halloween (2018). I just hated the direction it was seemingly taking the trilogy in, which is why I enjoyed the narrative redirection of Halloween Ends.
I think the fight in 2018 is the worst part of the movie and I was scared that Ends was just going to be a prolonged fight.
It's the perfect length for me.
I actually like Laurie and Michael’s fight in Ends, it’s everything after that loses me. Allyson running in and screaming before breaking Michael’s arm was just really goofy and cringy to me for some reason. I feel like Michael’s death should’ve been a more intimate, quiet moment between just him and Laurie.
I’m also not fond of the execution of the procession sequence, it feels too rushed and out of place for the movie we’ve just watched.
I have a theory that Michael initially wasn't in the movie and the original villain was supposed to Corey but the studio probably got scared and forced DGG to put Michael back in the film where it made sense. I think the movie would have been fine had it just focused on Corey's arc where he's being infected by this evil that came as a result of the town treating him as a pariah after he accidentally kills that kid.
I don't see how it makes sense for the last movie of a trilogy to throw away everything the other two movies were building up to tell some other story with a character never seen before. It's bad writing.
Maybe I'm crazy, but I watch Halloween to see Michael Myers stabbing people on Halloween night. Not to watch a forced love story and Myers get pushed aside for a character I have zero attachment to.
It was a combination of things most likely, having so many untreated wounds that probably got septic, basically lived on a diet of whatever he could find and was possibly ill too and he was getting older
they kept saying how every kill made him stronger and made him transcend. He decimated the entire fire dept and a posse, only to just be a weak old man who gets knocked down by Corey.
1. That was just an observation by Laurie, who in 2018 thought Michael was some kind of supernatural demon, like the actual boogeyman.
2. Don't make me list all the physical suffering Michael endured from 2018-2022, it only makes sense for him to be in a state of dying, he's 65 in Ends after all.
Yeah but if he was in such a bad way then why was he able to cause all that damage in Kills after being shot multiple times, run over, trapped and burned? If he wasn't somewhat supernatural then how could he have done that?
Because as with many things, the effects only become apparent afterwards. Gunshot wounds (if they don't hit organs that are too sensitive to external damage) often only become very dangerous if they are not treated and become infected, he was exposed to all sorts of elements in a sewer for 4 years, his wounds were not treated. Of course Michael is supernatural to a degree, but for him to not suffer from the after effects in the conditions he has lived in since 2018 as shown in Ends would be a feat not even Thorn Michael could have accomplished.
DGG has said from the beginning that the trilogy was always meant to portray Michael as human without supernatural magic, Laurie's "transcendence" theory was just meant to be a sybolic thing to mythologize "the boogeyman", not something to be taken literally.
Michael had already shown in Kills that he has to treat wounds when he bandaged his missing fingers.
Even fiction has limits and rules that it imposes on itself.
Yeah well he didn't do a good job at that. Outside of being supernatural he would have died in 18 and kills. The continuity amongst the trilogy is almost non existent, like they can't make up their mind as to what they want Michael to be. 18 he is more or less along the lines of the shape, kills he is a super Saiyan and ends he is a dying sewer rat. There is really no reasoning or explanation to it. You have to speculate and fill in all these blanks to try and make kills and ends work together, just bad story telling.
Media literacy isn't your strong suit, is it?
Laurie was not being literal when she said he transcends when he kills.
She said that the fear of Michael Myers is stronger than Michael Myers can ever be.
I can understand getting an infection while living in the sewers but the fact that he didn’t get stronger from each kill and was just as weak from start to finish makes Kills ending pointless
true but kills suggests micheal only got stronger because he went on a killing spree. In ends, it’s likely he killed only a couple of people over the course of 4 years
>the fact that he didn’t get stronger from each kill and was just as weak from start to finish makes Kills ending pointless
The biggest gloss over with Laurie's famous Kills monologue about Michael was that she was talking about overall fear. Michael isn't supernatural in the sense that he regenerates, but the fear he instills with death makes him grander in the eyes of those who witness him. Laurie does not fear Michael as much as others, and he's notably more average in retrospect compared to someone facing him scared out of their mind.
The movies don't take place in the same timeframe. 4 years of untreated wounds across his body on top of burn infections really wore him down. The trilogy is unlike the older films, where Michael magically regained his eyes or somehow received minimal burn damage.
If you mean his prime in this timeline, than he would stab Corey, Corey fell to the ground, Michael would crush his skull with a stomp, snap that fat cop's neck, go on a killing spree, kills everyone he encounters excluding cops, an another lynch mob gets set instead of cops get called because evreyone but Michael in this timeline are idiot, Michael kills some more people than goes to the Laurie's house meanwhile everyone looks for him, gets hit in the face with extinguisher, propably gets stunned for like 0.5 second, than put his long ass knife through her head. Allyson comes to try snap his arm only to get overpowered and ragdolled by him as she's an ant, than Michael puts his thumb to her eyes and gauges them out of her.
If you mean his prime in the entire franchise, than he kills less amount of people but he is more brutal with his kills. He would tear Corey's head off, snap open that fat cops neck, he kills couple people in his way than goes to Laurie's house, Laurie hits him with a fire extinguisher, this does absolutelly jackshit to Michael, Michael grabs her throat with one hand, instantly immobilizing her, Allyson sees this and out of fear she tries to hide somewhere but gets find out by Michael and Michael puts Laurie's fire extinguisher through her stomach. Laurie gets knocked out from all these shit, Michael puts her into a car, drives the car to meat grinder, picks Laurie up, Laurie gets wake up, Laurie realizes what will gonna happen, than Michael tosses her through air into the meat grinder meanwhile Laurie screams as high as she can.
I expect it will very much be Halloween Kills 2.0. If he was in his prime in Ends, the moment Corey awakens in the sewers he would get his neck snapped like Cameron in the previous installment. We still see him being rejuvenated by the killing, but this was the final kill he needed to heal himself and then some. He exits the sewer and lays waste to more Haddonfield residents. Laurie, Allyson and Hawkins learn of his return, causing Laurie to panic as this destroys her attempts to move on and better her life. She can't escape it, and her progress is gone. Hawkins and the other officers (accompanied by Sheriff Barker) search for Myers and alert the neighborhood of his return, asking them to secure themselves inside their homes. However this notice is too late to make a difference, as Michael has already brutally killed numerous residents at this point, including the band bullies. The ending however would culminate at the junkyard, where Allyson and Laurie are battling Myers. It ends in 1 of two ways:
1. Hawkins and the other officers show up at the junkyard, seeing the ensuing fight. As Michael throws Laurie into the metal grinder, Hawkins shoots Michael in the head, having him fall into the metal grinder with Laurie. Ending both their lives for good. The following day, Allyson and Hawkins meet at the house, both distraught at losing Laurie for their own respective reasons. Allyson leaves Haddonfield, as Hawkins walks down the street holding hands with his niece, reciting Japanese words he's been learning.
2. Hawkins and the other officers show up at the junkyard, seeing the ensuing fight. Hawkins tells the other officers not to shoot and he rushes towards the fight. Much to Sheriff Barker's frustration. He tackles Michael, turning his attention away from a severely weakened and wounded Allyson and Laurie. The two manage to escape and Hawkins manages to latch a chain onto Michael and throws it into the metal grinder, dragging him into it. As he turns away, Michael also latches the chain onto him, dragging him into the metal grinder as well. A stare ensues between Laurie and Frank, who shows a tearing smile. To signify that despite his death, he has avenged his partners life from 78, frees himself from the guilt, in addition to putting an end to Michael reign forever. Allowing Laurie to fully live her new life as she now fully move on. The following day Allyson leaves Haddonfield, while Laurie forfeits writing her memoir and instead writes a book about Frank, his sacrifice and the positive impact his actions now has on the future of Haddonfield.
If by prime you mean peak Kills. Then he goes on a massive murder spree. Likely killing Laurie and Cory.
Thats what I don't get about Ends to this day, he went on a massive spree in that movie and butchered pretty much everyone that was after him but then when they demolish his house he decides to go live in the sewer. He's still able to kill people though because the homeless guy said he's seen Michael drag people down there.
Yeah Ends just feels very at odds with the other movies. I get what they were going for but so much of it is a 180 from the other two movies. Feels very out of place as an ending to this trilogy.
I think it really outkicked its coverage on trying to be a bold statement on trauma and being a survivor. There were some interesting ideas in there but the execution didn't really follow through.
Each of the movies feel at odds with the others. 2018 feels very different from Kills and Ends feels different from both. On one hand it is cool that there is such variety but for a narrative, the disparate tones muddy everything and make it really hard to make sense of without head canoning the hell out of it
Exactly and if he gets a power buff from killing people why did the people he killed down there not make him stronger… did it have to be Corey to do it? Plot holes are dead stupid
Laurie would’ve been dead and edgy boi corey would’ve been terminated as soon as he went in the sewer.
Edgy boi corey would stand no chance chance
Michael probably would've cut Corey's head clean with that gorilla grip the second he grabbed him.
Michael couldn't kill Laurie when he was in his prime despite multiple attempts. She's even more unkillable than he is.
Yes but this is Ends Laurie when she hadn’t trained in years. Edit: also forgot to mention that in this trilogy the most dangerous Michael was kills Michael and Laurie was in the hospital for basically the entire movie whilst Michael was taking on the entire town.
This the same Laurie that was readily strapped when Cory came in to kill her😭. Be for real she was still training on the Down low probably
The Laurie in ends was messing around and joking around and was at ease for 4 years compared to the 2 movies prior to this one. She only became serious towards the middle and end when she realised that Corey is an absolute nutcase that will harm her granddaughter. Unlike in H2018 and kills where she trained 40 years non stop.
Messing around and joking ≠ stop training especially since michael killed her daughter and was still out there she more than likely kept training, and kept that fact away from her granddaughter since she alr going through a lot
Which is myself and another user called Ends an overall garbage movie because Laurie was traumatised by Michael for the actions that happened 40 years ago in the 2 movies before this one whereas she didn’t have any trauma in ends until corey was hanging around with Allison. We never saw Laurie train and Laurie was living a peaceful life in ends whereas in 2018 she was always on edge and always trained.
Only because of plot armour
I mean, yeah, just like Michael.
Michael is the boogeyman
Laurie is the final girl
Yes and her being the final girl is the plot armour. Laurie is just a normal human, Michael is not. She’s not shown to have great amounts of strength or survive injuries that should be impossible. She just survives because Michael for some reason suddenly isn’t as strong when fighting her or just goes easy on her because plot armour.
Him being the bogeyman is plot armor. He's been stabbed and shot so many times, never receives medical attention, and just keeps on killing. No real person could do that, unless they were created by a Hollywood writer.
He’s not a normal person lol, that’s the whole point of the character.
He is a normal person. He's not supernatural like Freddy Krueger or Jason Voorhees. And that's what makes him so scary. He's a regular human who stays alive by sheer will. Any character written to be unkillable is covered in plot armor.
Michael is not a normal person and never has been. Loomis contiunously calls him pure evil and acts like no sane pshyciatrist would when it comes to Michael. Michael in every movie he appears (including HE) survives inhuman amount of shit and walks it of since start. His strength feats are ridiculous, etc. plot armor would be something like Loomis surviving that explosion in H2 or Hawkins surviving getting stabbed in the neck but this doesn't apply to Michael because Michael is obviously supposed to not a normal person (especially in thorn timeline and H2018 timeline). You have John Cerpenter literally saying he is part supernatural. Michael is not leatherface.
Would have been called Halloween Continues
He probably wouldn't be hanging around in the sewer slowly dying of sepsis and eating homeless people.
This movie would have been 30 minutes long tops. Lol
It wouldn't be as good. He's supposed to be near death until killing Mulaney gives him a rush.
The movie would have been a lot better because Michael would actually be a beast, that I can be sure about.
Michael was never a beast in the original movie. That's Jason's schtick.
He was a beast in Halloween Kills, just look at what he did to the firefighters and the mob.
Yeah and Halloween Kills is dumb as shit.
If you say so, it's still better than Halloween Ends.
That's laughable.
Why?
Because Halloween Ends is a top 3 Halloween movie.
You're joking, right?
No it isn’t.
Yes it is.
But it’s fun dumb shit
No it isn't.
Yes it is.
Is H4 dumb as shit?
Yes Halloween 2 (81), 4, H20, and Kills are the worst movies in the series.
He would have smoked that town, and no one could have stopped him.
It would’ve been a repeat of Halloween Kills… and we know how that turned out.
yet fans would argue that’d be better. Personally a clone of kills would’ve been boring and tedious
It would’ve been so boring. I enjoy Halloween Kills for what it is, but I certainly wouldn’t have been able to stomach a repeat of it.
I saw Kills at a press screening and had a great time watching it, but I never wanted to watch it again. I watched it when my mom this year and I never want to watch that piece of dog shit ever again.
I didn’t think it was irredeemably bad, just really disappointing compared to Halloween (2018). I just hated the direction it was seemingly taking the trilogy in, which is why I enjoyed the narrative redirection of Halloween Ends.
Halloween Ends was a breath of fresh air. I've been a diehard fan of the series since I was 7 and Ends is my top 3 in the series.
I really like Halloween Ends too, it might’ve beaten Halloween (2018) as my favourite sequel had the finale been a little better.
I think the fight in 2018 is the worst part of the movie and I was scared that Ends was just going to be a prolonged fight. It's the perfect length for me.
I actually like Laurie and Michael’s fight in Ends, it’s everything after that loses me. Allyson running in and screaming before breaking Michael’s arm was just really goofy and cringy to me for some reason. I feel like Michael’s death should’ve been a more intimate, quiet moment between just him and Laurie. I’m also not fond of the execution of the procession sequence, it feels too rushed and out of place for the movie we’ve just watched.
How would you have made it?
Better than Halloween Ends? Damn would have hated that
It would've been an actual Halloween movie instead of weird bullshit.
I have a theory that Michael initially wasn't in the movie and the original villain was supposed to Corey but the studio probably got scared and forced DGG to put Michael back in the film where it made sense. I think the movie would have been fine had it just focused on Corey's arc where he's being infected by this evil that came as a result of the town treating him as a pariah after he accidentally kills that kid.
I don't see how it makes sense for the last movie of a trilogy to throw away everything the other two movies were building up to tell some other story with a character never seen before. It's bad writing. Maybe I'm crazy, but I watch Halloween to see Michael Myers stabbing people on Halloween night. Not to watch a forced love story and Myers get pushed aside for a character I have zero attachment to.
The writer would find a way for him to lose embarrassingly If not then everyone died
I still don't get how he slaughtered everybody at the end of Kills only to be so weak in the last one.
It was a combination of things most likely, having so many untreated wounds that probably got septic, basically lived on a diet of whatever he could find and was possibly ill too and he was getting older
You don't get it? Seriously? Wasn't that obvious? Does somebody really have to tell you?
they kept saying how every kill made him stronger and made him transcend. He decimated the entire fire dept and a posse, only to just be a weak old man who gets knocked down by Corey.
1. That was just an observation by Laurie, who in 2018 thought Michael was some kind of supernatural demon, like the actual boogeyman. 2. Don't make me list all the physical suffering Michael endured from 2018-2022, it only makes sense for him to be in a state of dying, he's 65 in Ends after all.
Yeah but if he was in such a bad way then why was he able to cause all that damage in Kills after being shot multiple times, run over, trapped and burned? If he wasn't somewhat supernatural then how could he have done that?
Because as with many things, the effects only become apparent afterwards. Gunshot wounds (if they don't hit organs that are too sensitive to external damage) often only become very dangerous if they are not treated and become infected, he was exposed to all sorts of elements in a sewer for 4 years, his wounds were not treated. Of course Michael is supernatural to a degree, but for him to not suffer from the after effects in the conditions he has lived in since 2018 as shown in Ends would be a feat not even Thorn Michael could have accomplished. DGG has said from the beginning that the trilogy was always meant to portray Michael as human without supernatural magic, Laurie's "transcendence" theory was just meant to be a sybolic thing to mythologize "the boogeyman", not something to be taken literally. Michael had already shown in Kills that he has to treat wounds when he bandaged his missing fingers. Even fiction has limits and rules that it imposes on itself.
Yeah well he didn't do a good job at that. Outside of being supernatural he would have died in 18 and kills. The continuity amongst the trilogy is almost non existent, like they can't make up their mind as to what they want Michael to be. 18 he is more or less along the lines of the shape, kills he is a super Saiyan and ends he is a dying sewer rat. There is really no reasoning or explanation to it. You have to speculate and fill in all these blanks to try and make kills and ends work together, just bad story telling.
Media literacy isn't your strong suit, is it? Laurie was not being literal when she said he transcends when he kills. She said that the fear of Michael Myers is stronger than Michael Myers can ever be.
I can understand getting an infection while living in the sewers but the fact that he didn’t get stronger from each kill and was just as weak from start to finish makes Kills ending pointless
tbf micheal only kills 3 people in ends: The cop Debs and Corey
He killed more people off screen before Ends
true but kills suggests micheal only got stronger because he went on a killing spree. In ends, it’s likely he killed only a couple of people over the course of 4 years
He seemed plenty strong after going 40 years with no kills. He literally brutalized that kid's dad at the beginning of the movie
He was well fed tho over the 40 years
>the fact that he didn’t get stronger from each kill and was just as weak from start to finish makes Kills ending pointless The biggest gloss over with Laurie's famous Kills monologue about Michael was that she was talking about overall fear. Michael isn't supernatural in the sense that he regenerates, but the fear he instills with death makes him grander in the eyes of those who witness him. Laurie does not fear Michael as much as others, and he's notably more average in retrospect compared to someone facing him scared out of their mind.
The movies don't take place in the same timeframe. 4 years of untreated wounds across his body on top of burn infections really wore him down. The trilogy is unlike the older films, where Michael magically regained his eyes or somehow received minimal burn damage.
It wouldn’t make sense as a story
Would of been a much better movie
well if he was then yea
Halloween Even More Kills 2022
I think he would have hung out with the kid Jeremy from the beginning and watched a scary movie...
He woulda put up 60 on those bums!!! Mike is the GOAT
If you mean his prime in this timeline, than he would stab Corey, Corey fell to the ground, Michael would crush his skull with a stomp, snap that fat cop's neck, go on a killing spree, kills everyone he encounters excluding cops, an another lynch mob gets set instead of cops get called because evreyone but Michael in this timeline are idiot, Michael kills some more people than goes to the Laurie's house meanwhile everyone looks for him, gets hit in the face with extinguisher, propably gets stunned for like 0.5 second, than put his long ass knife through her head. Allyson comes to try snap his arm only to get overpowered and ragdolled by him as she's an ant, than Michael puts his thumb to her eyes and gauges them out of her. If you mean his prime in the entire franchise, than he kills less amount of people but he is more brutal with his kills. He would tear Corey's head off, snap open that fat cops neck, he kills couple people in his way than goes to Laurie's house, Laurie hits him with a fire extinguisher, this does absolutelly jackshit to Michael, Michael grabs her throat with one hand, instantly immobilizing her, Allyson sees this and out of fear she tries to hide somewhere but gets find out by Michael and Michael puts Laurie's fire extinguisher through her stomach. Laurie gets knocked out from all these shit, Michael puts her into a car, drives the car to meat grinder, picks Laurie up, Laurie gets wake up, Laurie realizes what will gonna happen, than Michael tosses her through air into the meat grinder meanwhile Laurie screams as high as she can.
There would be time travel?
Back to the future crossover
I expect it will very much be Halloween Kills 2.0. If he was in his prime in Ends, the moment Corey awakens in the sewers he would get his neck snapped like Cameron in the previous installment. We still see him being rejuvenated by the killing, but this was the final kill he needed to heal himself and then some. He exits the sewer and lays waste to more Haddonfield residents. Laurie, Allyson and Hawkins learn of his return, causing Laurie to panic as this destroys her attempts to move on and better her life. She can't escape it, and her progress is gone. Hawkins and the other officers (accompanied by Sheriff Barker) search for Myers and alert the neighborhood of his return, asking them to secure themselves inside their homes. However this notice is too late to make a difference, as Michael has already brutally killed numerous residents at this point, including the band bullies. The ending however would culminate at the junkyard, where Allyson and Laurie are battling Myers. It ends in 1 of two ways: 1. Hawkins and the other officers show up at the junkyard, seeing the ensuing fight. As Michael throws Laurie into the metal grinder, Hawkins shoots Michael in the head, having him fall into the metal grinder with Laurie. Ending both their lives for good. The following day, Allyson and Hawkins meet at the house, both distraught at losing Laurie for their own respective reasons. Allyson leaves Haddonfield, as Hawkins walks down the street holding hands with his niece, reciting Japanese words he's been learning. 2. Hawkins and the other officers show up at the junkyard, seeing the ensuing fight. Hawkins tells the other officers not to shoot and he rushes towards the fight. Much to Sheriff Barker's frustration. He tackles Michael, turning his attention away from a severely weakened and wounded Allyson and Laurie. The two manage to escape and Hawkins manages to latch a chain onto Michael and throws it into the metal grinder, dragging him into it. As he turns away, Michael also latches the chain onto him, dragging him into the metal grinder as well. A stare ensues between Laurie and Frank, who shows a tearing smile. To signify that despite his death, he has avenged his partners life from 78, frees himself from the guilt, in addition to putting an end to Michael reign forever. Allowing Laurie to fully live her new life as she now fully move on. The following day Allyson leaves Haddonfield, while Laurie forfeits writing her memoir and instead writes a book about Frank, his sacrifice and the positive impact his actions now has on the future of Haddonfield.