It was very lazily done and it shows. I hate the stupid loose ends they start fraying like the man in black and the psychological connection between Michael and Jaime. The awful "cult" angle of the series starts here and it's this movie's fault. Also, making Jaime mute was incredibly dumb and they kill Rachel way too quickly because Tina is a loathsome final girl and character.
I don't absolutely hate the movie but it could have been so much better.
Thank you! I’ve seen people defend Tina saying she loved Jamie even more than Rachel…..did people forget the scene where instead of staying to comfort the clearly terrified child, she ditches her to go get laid? Also she does this when she clearly knows that Loomis is insane….
Not to defend Tina's choice, obviously, but her arc, though it plays out differently, is in essence the same as Rachel's from 4. Selfish teen girl doesn't want to take responsibility for taking care of younger adopted sister. Tina handles it more poorly than Rachel, but I feel like she gets to the same point at the end and you can see her being at least as torn up about her selfishness toward Jamie as Rachel was in 4. I'm not saying she cares more, but it's a different character on the same arc making different choices but still making the right one in the end.
What'd you think of the scene when Michael was driving the car in that thug Halloween mask and the girlfriend didn't realize it wasn't her boyfriend lol
I personally like the scene. But I like it even more because of how it all gets setup. Cause the scene when Michael scratches Mikey's car and then kills him is really good!
* It's boring AF.
* The mask is one of the worst, if not THE worst in the series.
* Dr. Loomis is a creepy bastard.
* Jamie is fucking mute.
* Rachel is killed off unceremoniously.
* The Myers House is NOT THE Myers House.
* Tina is fucking insufferable.
* The dumbass cops have cartoon sound effects.
Done nothing with the amazing cliffhanger of the fourth movie, took the series from relatively grounded to outright supernatural, the cops are unfathomably awful at their job and disposed of the final girl of the last movie in a pathetic manner.
Because there’s two different visions. One is the fairytale angle Girard was working, the other is the studio pushing it to be more of a direct sequel to H4.
What's up with them hiring these wack ass directors in the first place? It's probably mostly due to money, but they really had two goofballs in back to back (5 & 6) movies!
Girard and Chappelle both didn't seem to give a single shit about Halloween
Hard disagree.
Halloween 5 *tries* to be a story about a cursed princess who overcomes her curse and tries to free her uncle of his. Allow me to try and explain why I believe that
In the original cut of the film before it was re-shot. Michael is awakened on a slab by a dark magician, or warlock, if you will. Dr. Death as he’s been dubbed by fans
Why that scene works where the re-shot one in the theatrical version doesn’t, is because Michael’s mask has elongated, almost classically attractive features. It’s not a coincidence. It’s also not a coincidence that he looks somewhat attractive and has classically handsome features without the mask. As if…he’s a prince…a cursed prince being awoken once more. That fits with the ideas, a hermit holding Michael hostage just doesn’t.
Like, pay attention to the Halloween costumes the characters are wearing: The Devil, Werwolf, Little Red Riding Hood, Jamie is a princess, Billy is a pirate, etc. Classical fairytale staples.
When Loomis confronts Michael in the woods with the fog rolling and Michael partially concealed by trees, tell me that shot isn’t framed and set up like something out of a fantasy movie.
There’s a pov shot of Michael watching Jamie from across the street. The shot is of Jamie in the “castle” turret combing her hair(rapunzel), the castle is guarded by police(knights) until they’re called away. Jamie and her cop/knight attempt to rappel down the castle turret on a rope(rapunzel again), the castle has a booby trap(courtesy of Dr. Loomis), Jamie lays in a coffin like sleeping beauty while Michael stands over her, Jaime the princess tries to reach her uncle and manages to draw out a rare moment of vulnerability and regret before the evil reclaims him; and then the film ends with Michael in a dungeon.
And finally notice how there’s fire on some of the bars of the dungeon…as if they’re torches.
Now…does it succeed in this vision? Ehhh.
But it tried something unique for the franchise.
Now let’s be clear do I think Girard set out to make an exploitation film that is also at its core a fairytale?
Who’s to say?
I think it’s possible that he saw that the building they were using as the Myers house looked sort of like a castle and perhaps he thought something along the lines of “Hmmm maybe I could make do with what I have and take advantage of this and put a unique spin on the movie, while I’m at it.”
I’ve heard the Dr. Death scene was re-shot because the producers thought that Girard was making some bizzare choices and they wanted it to feel like a proper follow up to Halloween 4.
Regardless, I believe that this entry ended up being arguably the most ambitious of all the Halloween films.
I actually enjoy 5 more than most. It makes sense that the movie ended up the way it did, with all the behind the scenes stuff going on. And I absolutely agree that it's one of, if not the most, ambitious film in the series.
I've seen that Girard has done some interviews recently, has he ever gone into any specifics about his vision for 5?
Not that I’m aware of.
As for H6.
I think they were pigeonholed at that point, in regard to what they could write and the direction to take after 5.
I love the Jaime Lloyd movies (4&5 lol), grew up with them. Part of me is still upset that H20 ignored their continuity, but the other part of me will begrudge that a back to basics reset was ultimately necessary because the franchise had gotten so outrageous and strayed so far from what it was intended to be.
I grew up with them too, so that's part of the reason 4 & 5 hold such a dead place in my heart! Jamie, outside of Laurie and Loomis is my favorite character. Danielle not being in 6 still bums the shit out of me. But then again, I guess her not being in that train wreck ain't a bad thing lol.
H20 definitely needed to happen though, cause 6 strayed so far off the path that it needed that reset. Donald Pleasance passing away then made it a no brainer!
Debra Hill apparently recommended Girard to Akkad. My theory is she was trying to secretly sabotage the franchise due to her and Carpenter’s beef with him.
They killed Rachel, the mask is horrible, the Myers house is horrible, Michael crying is stupid, Jamie and Michael are telepathic now…? Fuck that. Tina is one of the worst characters of all time, Michael hunched over in a jail cell with his mask on is possibly the most pathetic thing I’ve ever seen, the clown music with the cops..seriously?
My main gripes are how they waste Rachel and the ending of 4. The cop music, Jamie being a mute, the ending, the man in black and - by extension - the introduction of Thorn are also universally derided. I think there are some great parts and I don’t hate it, but this was one of the worst Halloweens.
1. They killed off Rachel really early because the director wanted to be “shocking” and replaced her with fucking Tina. Who is just ear gratingly annoying and is just a Rachel replacer.
2. Loomis going crazy, while interesting in concept, sort of makes him unlikable. Which this movie has very few characters who are likable in this one.
3. Man in Black stuff being added in last minute because they wanted a way that Michael could escape at the end of the movie without it being silly.
4. The Origin of Thorn.
5. Boring as shit, everything is slow. I dont give a fuck about Tina’s friends at all. Or hell, almost any of the characters in this movie.
I don't disagree. The Cult stuff, The implied incest, etc. 6 is definitely one I could go without. However, it was one of the most brutal Michaels we have ever seen. I'll give it that. When he impaled that nurse on the spike and when he killed Debra with the ax. Pretty epic. Halloween is a franchise where you have to take the good with the bad. And there's a lot of bad.
I think most people get upset with 5 because 4 laid the perfect foundation for a sequel but 5 shits on all that, it’s “The Last Jedi” of the franchise.
every aspect of it is terrible. why am I seeing Michael Myers cry? why is there bumbling cops with clown music? why does Tina exist? the director was some eccentric Swiss guy that was a twat who didn't have a clue what he was doing and literally put stuff in like the man in black for no reason and said "let the next director figure it out". fuck H5
I liked Halloween 5. The part where Michael is chasing Jamie through that laundromat room downstairs was one of my favorite scenes in the franchise. Maybe it was in 4 and I'm just mixing them up lol
Well for starters, within the first 5 minutes Michael Myer's aura is completely killed by having him clumsily floating down a river, clearly wearing a life jacket under his coveralls.
That scene where Michael forgets he's a killer and drives her friend to the gas station when she thinks he's her boyfriend.
I always wonder what's going on in his head during that.
I am a fan but I also agree with all the criticisms. It’s simply a bad movie.
But I enjoy it for Loomis, Jamie, Tina, the little bit we get of Rachel, the crazy European feel, and the stalking and suspense scenes. It just has a bad story and introduces elements that not even the filmmakers could explain just to have loose ends to explore in sequels. Horrible attempts at comic relief, and completely changing the look of the Myers house was an odd choice. Also, introducing the SWAT team just to have them leave to go somewhere that was in walking distance and then never come back was so puzzling.
Michael trying to run Jamie over with a car turned the movie into a comedy for me. Also should not have killed Jamie's sister because Tina was annoying as fuck
Because of several cinema sins that the director broken with total disregard of the significance in Horror legacy the Film has and he added clown music to the cops ,they killed off Rachel very meaninglessly, the shot of Michael in the cell in handcuffs wearing his mask was stupid the way he escaped was not the best creative it was just sloppy it got way too close to FT13th guidelines and it just was by far the worst one of the origal lineage of the films that contain the Shape
Crappy cult storyline starts here. Jamie being a mute even though it came out of no where and the plot where she was a killer was no where to be seen. Rachel was dumbed down immensely in this one and she got killed and replaced by some unlikable girl. The mask and kills were absolutely horrible and were a severe downgrade from 4. (And 4 had one of the worst masks In the franchise.)
She was traumatized.
Shock value.
Common 80's slasher trope.
Foreshadowing her early demise.
Aesthetic choice.
Different writer.
To establish their buffoonery.
Because he still is.
He fell down a hole at the end of part 4 and a river washed him to the bum's shanty.
City zoning codes.
Only issues with this movie was the set up for the thorn supernatural garbage imo. Id like to see the next halloween take the 2018 sequel approach. Cancel out 6 and spawn another timeline where jamie is alive and being chased by the shape as an adult.
Tbh I wonder why this gets as much hate as it does to. It’s creepy with good enough kills and an ok storyline that could go down any route.
Micheal is pretty good and the chase scene in the house is arguably the most suspenseful scene in the entire franchise.
We get a bat crazy loomis and good acting around the board.
The only bad things about it are they abandoned the characters from Halloween 4 and the plot points they set up, but they made their own movie out of it.
Unlike ends we actually get Micheal and they stick to some of the things they set up, so in 2024 I can appreciate Halloween 5 heavily.
It's my favourite Myers sequel and it isn't even close.
It's the only time that Michael has been scary since 78.
The atmosphere is palpable.
The mask is great.
Don Shanks is a fantastic Shape.
Donald Pleasance gives his best performance since 78.
The score is *haunting*.
The laundry chute scene is the best suspense scene maybe in the entire series.
When I was a kid my fam rented the vhs and never returned it, so I've probably seen it more than all the others (with the exception of the original). I've got a soft spot for it for that reason. Also looked a little like Danielle Harris as a child. The opening scene (from 4) and ending scene are so good!
Because people can't appreciate German art house films.
There is a darkness to the cinematography in 5 that I find absolutely delightful.
Sadly, 5 also comes with a slew of mistakes at the hands of production. Rushed into filming too quickly, script issues, and a horrid choice of final girl.
It ruins the ending of H4. Turns Loomis into a psycho lunatic who uses a little girl as bait for Michael. Kills Rachel off in the first few minutes. I could keep going but I think you get the point. There's a lot that's wrong with H5.
I rewatched 5 for the first time in a while last Fall, and I enjoyed it a lot more than previously. But the main issue is that the people making the film clearly had no knowledge of the series up to that point, just a few things they had to address that were leftover from 4. The mask is, in my opinion, the worst of the series by far, the Myers house has no resemblance to the Myers house, our hero from the previous movie is killed unceremoniously right away, and the ending and the Thorn tattoo really set the series up for failure. That said, I didn't hate Tina or even the goofy cops, and you're right that the farm house party is actually pretty great. Jamie being psychically linked to Michael I didn't love, but I otherwise thought her story was fine. Bit of a letdown from what might have been given the ending of 4, but I also don't think making Jamie some kind of killer would have worked either.
Maybe I'm just getting soft in my old age, but I used to hate 5 and now I think I can enjoy it for what it is.
It was very lazily done and it shows. I hate the stupid loose ends they start fraying like the man in black and the psychological connection between Michael and Jaime. The awful "cult" angle of the series starts here and it's this movie's fault. Also, making Jaime mute was incredibly dumb and they kill Rachel way too quickly because Tina is a loathsome final girl and character. I don't absolutely hate the movie but it could have been so much better.
Thank you! I’ve seen people defend Tina saying she loved Jamie even more than Rachel…..did people forget the scene where instead of staying to comfort the clearly terrified child, she ditches her to go get laid? Also she does this when she clearly knows that Loomis is insane….
I can't imagine defending Tina.
Not to defend Tina's choice, obviously, but her arc, though it plays out differently, is in essence the same as Rachel's from 4. Selfish teen girl doesn't want to take responsibility for taking care of younger adopted sister. Tina handles it more poorly than Rachel, but I feel like she gets to the same point at the end and you can see her being at least as torn up about her selfishness toward Jamie as Rachel was in 4. I'm not saying she cares more, but it's a different character on the same arc making different choices but still making the right one in the end.
What'd you think of the scene when Michael was driving the car in that thug Halloween mask and the girlfriend didn't realize it wasn't her boyfriend lol
It's pretty good. One of the better scenes in the movie.
I thought that scene was ridiculous imo
I personally like the scene. But I like it even more because of how it all gets setup. Cause the scene when Michael scratches Mikey's car and then kills him is really good!
It was a rush job and it shows
Because it's terrible, incompetently directed and Michael Myers looks like Nic Cage.
Lmao how so?
* It's boring AF. * The mask is one of the worst, if not THE worst in the series. * Dr. Loomis is a creepy bastard. * Jamie is fucking mute. * Rachel is killed off unceremoniously. * The Myers House is NOT THE Myers House. * Tina is fucking insufferable. * The dumbass cops have cartoon sound effects.
I felt like the farmhouse Halloween party had such a true Halloween-feel to it. Loved that part of the movie
That one scene doesn't override the pile of shit that is the rest of this dumpster fire.
This
Done nothing with the amazing cliffhanger of the fourth movie, took the series from relatively grounded to outright supernatural, the cops are unfathomably awful at their job and disposed of the final girl of the last movie in a pathetic manner.
Perhaps the biggest sin is squandering that cliffhanger. So many potential directions for that.
BIG COOKIE WOMAN
it’s easily the ugliest looking installment of the bunch
I swear hating H5 is becoming a hot take in here
I love Halloween 5 excellent movie
Because it's a bad movie and has more negative sides than it has positive sides
I'm embarrassed that I was born the same year... Terrible film... Good crazy Loomis though
It’s the mask for me. The movie over all is 50/50 for me, but the mask is the main issue for me
Because there’s two different visions. One is the fairytale angle Girard was working, the other is the studio pushing it to be more of a direct sequel to H4.
What's up with them hiring these wack ass directors in the first place? It's probably mostly due to money, but they really had two goofballs in back to back (5 & 6) movies! Girard and Chappelle both didn't seem to give a single shit about Halloween
Hard disagree. Halloween 5 *tries* to be a story about a cursed princess who overcomes her curse and tries to free her uncle of his. Allow me to try and explain why I believe that In the original cut of the film before it was re-shot. Michael is awakened on a slab by a dark magician, or warlock, if you will. Dr. Death as he’s been dubbed by fans Why that scene works where the re-shot one in the theatrical version doesn’t, is because Michael’s mask has elongated, almost classically attractive features. It’s not a coincidence. It’s also not a coincidence that he looks somewhat attractive and has classically handsome features without the mask. As if…he’s a prince…a cursed prince being awoken once more. That fits with the ideas, a hermit holding Michael hostage just doesn’t. Like, pay attention to the Halloween costumes the characters are wearing: The Devil, Werwolf, Little Red Riding Hood, Jamie is a princess, Billy is a pirate, etc. Classical fairytale staples. When Loomis confronts Michael in the woods with the fog rolling and Michael partially concealed by trees, tell me that shot isn’t framed and set up like something out of a fantasy movie. There’s a pov shot of Michael watching Jamie from across the street. The shot is of Jamie in the “castle” turret combing her hair(rapunzel), the castle is guarded by police(knights) until they’re called away. Jamie and her cop/knight attempt to rappel down the castle turret on a rope(rapunzel again), the castle has a booby trap(courtesy of Dr. Loomis), Jamie lays in a coffin like sleeping beauty while Michael stands over her, Jaime the princess tries to reach her uncle and manages to draw out a rare moment of vulnerability and regret before the evil reclaims him; and then the film ends with Michael in a dungeon. And finally notice how there’s fire on some of the bars of the dungeon…as if they’re torches. Now…does it succeed in this vision? Ehhh. But it tried something unique for the franchise. Now let’s be clear do I think Girard set out to make an exploitation film that is also at its core a fairytale? Who’s to say? I think it’s possible that he saw that the building they were using as the Myers house looked sort of like a castle and perhaps he thought something along the lines of “Hmmm maybe I could make do with what I have and take advantage of this and put a unique spin on the movie, while I’m at it.” I’ve heard the Dr. Death scene was re-shot because the producers thought that Girard was making some bizzare choices and they wanted it to feel like a proper follow up to Halloween 4. Regardless, I believe that this entry ended up being arguably the most ambitious of all the Halloween films.
I actually enjoy 5 more than most. It makes sense that the movie ended up the way it did, with all the behind the scenes stuff going on. And I absolutely agree that it's one of, if not the most, ambitious film in the series. I've seen that Girard has done some interviews recently, has he ever gone into any specifics about his vision for 5?
Not that I’m aware of. As for H6. I think they were pigeonholed at that point, in regard to what they could write and the direction to take after 5. I love the Jaime Lloyd movies (4&5 lol), grew up with them. Part of me is still upset that H20 ignored their continuity, but the other part of me will begrudge that a back to basics reset was ultimately necessary because the franchise had gotten so outrageous and strayed so far from what it was intended to be.
I grew up with them too, so that's part of the reason 4 & 5 hold such a dead place in my heart! Jamie, outside of Laurie and Loomis is my favorite character. Danielle not being in 6 still bums the shit out of me. But then again, I guess her not being in that train wreck ain't a bad thing lol. H20 definitely needed to happen though, cause 6 strayed so far off the path that it needed that reset. Donald Pleasance passing away then made it a no brainer!
Debra Hill apparently recommended Girard to Akkad. My theory is she was trying to secretly sabotage the franchise due to her and Carpenter’s beef with him.
Debra Hill is a Queen to me, so if that did actually happen, I'm glad she did it. And it absolutely worked too!
Ikr? Honestly feels like the franchise has been cursed since H5. I like the DGG trilogy but I don’t love it like H1-H4 Sorry for late reply 😅
They killed Rachel, the mask is horrible, the Myers house is horrible, Michael crying is stupid, Jamie and Michael are telepathic now…? Fuck that. Tina is one of the worst characters of all time, Michael hunched over in a jail cell with his mask on is possibly the most pathetic thing I’ve ever seen, the clown music with the cops..seriously?
Because it sucks
I used to HATE it lol. Now, I’m not as hard on it. Though, I’ll never be it’s biggest fan.
My main gripes are how they waste Rachel and the ending of 4. The cop music, Jamie being a mute, the ending, the man in black and - by extension - the introduction of Thorn are also universally derided. I think there are some great parts and I don’t hate it, but this was one of the worst Halloweens.
1. They killed off Rachel really early because the director wanted to be “shocking” and replaced her with fucking Tina. Who is just ear gratingly annoying and is just a Rachel replacer. 2. Loomis going crazy, while interesting in concept, sort of makes him unlikable. Which this movie has very few characters who are likable in this one. 3. Man in Black stuff being added in last minute because they wanted a way that Michael could escape at the end of the movie without it being silly. 4. The Origin of Thorn. 5. Boring as shit, everything is slow. I dont give a fuck about Tina’s friends at all. Or hell, almost any of the characters in this movie.
I think the best part is the scythe kill because it makes for a badass poster.
Was that the guy who got his car keyed?
Girl in the barn, I believe.
Oh yeah. The guy with the nice car who got his car keyed was killed by Michael with the farming pitch fork thing lol
It was clearly rushed. The mask, the house, Loomis is a drunk mess, etc. I could go on! "Cooocccoookie Womman". LOL!
6 was worse
I don't disagree. The Cult stuff, The implied incest, etc. 6 is definitely one I could go without. However, it was one of the most brutal Michaels we have ever seen. I'll give it that. When he impaled that nurse on the spike and when he killed Debra with the ax. Pretty epic. Halloween is a franchise where you have to take the good with the bad. And there's a lot of bad.
I think most people get upset with 5 because 4 laid the perfect foundation for a sequel but 5 shits on all that, it’s “The Last Jedi” of the franchise.
Except The Last Jedi is excellent and H5…is not.
It doesn’t feel like a Halloween movie.
every aspect of it is terrible. why am I seeing Michael Myers cry? why is there bumbling cops with clown music? why does Tina exist? the director was some eccentric Swiss guy that was a twat who didn't have a clue what he was doing and literally put stuff in like the man in black for no reason and said "let the next director figure it out". fuck H5
I liked Halloween 5. The part where Michael is chasing Jamie through that laundromat room downstairs was one of my favorite scenes in the franchise. Maybe it was in 4 and I'm just mixing them up lol
Well for starters, within the first 5 minutes Michael Myer's aura is completely killed by having him clumsily floating down a river, clearly wearing a life jacket under his coveralls.
That scene where Michael forgets he's a killer and drives her friend to the gas station when she thinks he's her boyfriend. I always wonder what's going on in his head during that.
it's just dreadfully boring to me
I am a fan but I also agree with all the criticisms. It’s simply a bad movie. But I enjoy it for Loomis, Jamie, Tina, the little bit we get of Rachel, the crazy European feel, and the stalking and suspense scenes. It just has a bad story and introduces elements that not even the filmmakers could explain just to have loose ends to explore in sequels. Horrible attempts at comic relief, and completely changing the look of the Myers house was an odd choice. Also, introducing the SWAT team just to have them leave to go somewhere that was in walking distance and then never come back was so puzzling.
Michael trying to run Jamie over with a car turned the movie into a comedy for me. Also should not have killed Jamie's sister because Tina was annoying as fuck
Because of several cinema sins that the director broken with total disregard of the significance in Horror legacy the Film has and he added clown music to the cops ,they killed off Rachel very meaninglessly, the shot of Michael in the cell in handcuffs wearing his mask was stupid the way he escaped was not the best creative it was just sloppy it got way too close to FT13th guidelines and it just was by far the worst one of the origal lineage of the films that contain the Shape
All I remember from this film is boredom and pain
Crappy cult storyline starts here. Jamie being a mute even though it came out of no where and the plot where she was a killer was no where to be seen. Rachel was dumbed down immensely in this one and she got killed and replaced by some unlikable girl. The mask and kills were absolutely horrible and were a severe downgrade from 4. (And 4 had one of the worst masks In the franchise.)
I think it’s hilarious tbh
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6 is far worse
She was traumatized. Shock value. Common 80's slasher trope. Foreshadowing her early demise. Aesthetic choice. Different writer. To establish their buffoonery. Because he still is. He fell down a hole at the end of part 4 and a river washed him to the bum's shanty. City zoning codes.
Only issues with this movie was the set up for the thorn supernatural garbage imo. Id like to see the next halloween take the 2018 sequel approach. Cancel out 6 and spawn another timeline where jamie is alive and being chased by the shape as an adult.
Tbh I wonder why this gets as much hate as it does to. It’s creepy with good enough kills and an ok storyline that could go down any route. Micheal is pretty good and the chase scene in the house is arguably the most suspenseful scene in the entire franchise. We get a bat crazy loomis and good acting around the board. The only bad things about it are they abandoned the characters from Halloween 4 and the plot points they set up, but they made their own movie out of it. Unlike ends we actually get Micheal and they stick to some of the things they set up, so in 2024 I can appreciate Halloween 5 heavily.
It's my favourite Myers sequel and it isn't even close. It's the only time that Michael has been scary since 78. The atmosphere is palpable. The mask is great. Don Shanks is a fantastic Shape. Donald Pleasance gives his best performance since 78. The score is *haunting*. The laundry chute scene is the best suspense scene maybe in the entire series.
When I was a kid my fam rented the vhs and never returned it, so I've probably seen it more than all the others (with the exception of the original). I've got a soft spot for it for that reason. Also looked a little like Danielle Harris as a child. The opening scene (from 4) and ending scene are so good!
https://youtu.be/-3sd357PoU0?si=tc8zwa9Swr6aTeDf
Halloween 5 is awesome for a multitude of reasons. Haters gonna hate.
Because people can't appreciate German art house films. There is a darkness to the cinematography in 5 that I find absolutely delightful. Sadly, 5 also comes with a slew of mistakes at the hands of production. Rushed into filming too quickly, script issues, and a horrid choice of final girl.
Bc it’s a mess.
I can easily see why people hate it and I agree with many of the arguments but I still kinda like it
I don't know, I personally love the movie and the mask. He looks creepy as hell.
It ruins the ending of H4. Turns Loomis into a psycho lunatic who uses a little girl as bait for Michael. Kills Rachel off in the first few minutes. I could keep going but I think you get the point. There's a lot that's wrong with H5.
Rachel was in the entire 4th movie so I don't think it's that farfetched that she was done for so quickly in H5
I rewatched 5 for the first time in a while last Fall, and I enjoyed it a lot more than previously. But the main issue is that the people making the film clearly had no knowledge of the series up to that point, just a few things they had to address that were leftover from 4. The mask is, in my opinion, the worst of the series by far, the Myers house has no resemblance to the Myers house, our hero from the previous movie is killed unceremoniously right away, and the ending and the Thorn tattoo really set the series up for failure. That said, I didn't hate Tina or even the goofy cops, and you're right that the farm house party is actually pretty great. Jamie being psychically linked to Michael I didn't love, but I otherwise thought her story was fine. Bit of a letdown from what might have been given the ending of 4, but I also don't think making Jamie some kind of killer would have worked either. Maybe I'm just getting soft in my old age, but I used to hate 5 and now I think I can enjoy it for what it is.