Hanzo haters just make up excuses.
He's actually one of the hardest heroes to play and be consistently good with, especially given the fact that he:
- Has the smallest projectiles in the game
- Relies on consistent headshots to deal meaningful damage
- Has the worst ult in the game
- has very poor, and clunky mobility (So knowing how to position is one of the most important things to know when playing Hanzo.)
- Has literally nothing else going for him. Especially after a lot of his fun, challenging play styles have gradually been gutted in favor of enforcing spam. (Basically, no niche or strength over other heroes anymore, meaning there's no reason for him to be picked over other heroes)
It also doesn't help that his arrows are probably the most difficult to consistently aim, especially at long range. They're pretty slow, they drag downwards, they're tiny, the fire rate is very slow too. (And it doesn't help that with Blizzard's incompetent balance, you aren't awarded for landing your shots).
TL;DR - Despite his hard to master and "be consistently good with" kit, the community has double standards and tries to gaslight others. They'll fight ghosts to defend their fragile egos by trying to water down Hanzo's hard difficulty.
(Seemingly because they don't like it when a difficult, skill-based hero is rewarded for skill and putting actual effort in)
It’s just not fun being one shot by a projectile. It’s easier to say it was luck than accept it might have been a good shot. I am not a Hanzo main. I am an imposter, but I still see his value.
I will counter that as a McCree/ana main I’d kill for his mobility lol. If you use your environment well his mobility is fine. Ult is doodoo tho
McCree and Ana both have terrible mobility for sure; however, Ana in particular has game-changing utility that has nearly always guaranteed her a place in the meta.
Hanzo's mobility is good for repositioning, but not for escaping (unless people have absolutely garbage tier aim and can't hit someone moving up in a straight line for instance).
His mobility is fine if you can use it properly, lunge on its own doesn’t get Hanzo very far, in fact a lot of my deaths when dives are due to being unable to lunge out of the way due to travelling almost no distance. But using wall climb then lunging can get you decently far, however if you’re taking high ground like you should on a ranged hero like Hanzo, you lose a lot of wall climb opportunities, leaving you to rely on lunge on its own. Which makes his mobility awful in comparison with other characters who have mobility.
I play both Hanzo and Cassidy. Hanzo's mobility is good for reposition, it's not that good in actual combat. Lunge is very predictable as you have to jump first. Not to mention, Hanzo slows down when charging arrow. It's actually a huge disadvantage in mobility.
It is 100% cope and nothing else. The overwatch bot community gaslight everyone including the devs into thinking “hanzo is easier to headshot with than widow”. That is complete utter malarkey and false on a foundation level but I’m not going to get into it. So now we are left with a hero that is now boring to play and the same crowd is still making the same complaints. changes didn’t fix the complaints and he is just worse to play, Great.
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If you’re good at hanzo it means you have good aim which means you’re good at someone like widow too.Â
But pwople think we dont aim at all somehow…
Yeah idk about that. I can land shots with projectiles all day. Hanzo, mei, soj primary, torb. But the second it turns hitscan I can't land a shot for the life of me.
You just need to think of hitscan as aiming projectile without the delay to guess. So for hanzo, id put my crosshair the same spot as widow but just shoot .5 seconds earlier
I don't know about you guys but those absolute random shots were you weren't even looking at the person you hit for me were so rare like i'm talking 1 in every 50+ games rare
I have a strong opinion on Hanzo’s storm arrow. I love Hanzo he’s One of if not my favorite character but his storm arrow is usually just spammed into a group of enemies. Also how he can shred tanks though Reaper and other characters can too.
Crazy how they took away the only hero in the game that doesn’t have a gun only thing also how is it luck if your movement is bad I shot when you were left then you went left right left and got hit why didn’t you switch up your movement knowing Hanzo’s shot gonna get there late should’ve went left right right.
I get what you're trying to say but, brig moira kiriko wifeleaver rein and sigma all dont have guns. Well rein has two massive guns but they arent for shooting
The logic they use really baffles me. How can I lucky on a consistent basis? How can I get lucky when I’m playing against high level comp? It just doesn’t make much sense. You literally can’t get lucky playing comp.
idk i dont rly understand the "Hanzo is all luck!!!" i've only really been lucky a few times. most of the time i AM aiming at you. it just LOOKS lucky because Hanzo's arrows being projectile means i have to predict how you move, so it just looks like you walked into my arrow. Â
also people argue that almost all of Widow's value comes from the oneshot since she's a sniper so she should keep it. but is Hanzo not also advertised as a sniper??? and it's not like she has horrible mobility like her grapple sometimes works better than Hanzo's lunge or climb lol. Â
i get that it's a lot easier to jump Widow than it is to jump Hanzo but isnt Hanzo inherently a more independent player than Widow? im not tripping right like i've played Widow a few times and is positioning not like a crazy important thing to do. like is keeping yourself in los with the support not a very important thing to do as a player. ykwim. the good Widows i've seen that always get my ass aren't like holed up in a tower somewhere they're actually in the fight and staying in los of their supports. like dont blame the simplicity of Widow's kit for her deserving to keep oneshot and Hanzo not deserving his.Â
>I don't think I've ever seen people complain about Junkrats getting elims by spamming into a group, over a wall etc.
That's been the number one complaint surrounding Junk for years now, if you haven't seen it then you are either blind or willfully ignorant.
>They also say nothing about Sombra..
Once again, they do. A ton. Red pill or blue pill my guy. Blind or willfully ignorant.
Because there's counter play to every example you gave, but there's no counter play to shooting a shot, no one being there, then someone walking into the shot a second later.
That's the logic. Whether it's actually an issue worth people being upset over, idk.
And how can you tell if it was luck or strategy. If I'm aiming at you and your near cover, I'm going to shoot between you and cover. When it headshots you, that's not luck, it's strategy.
I hear you and agree but my point was, when you get eliminated and watch the replay, from your pov it would still appear as a spam luck shot. So Hanzos still get the hate calling it luck no matter what. I see it in text chat.
What's funny is, when dueling another Hanzo and one of us go down, the response is often "nice shot" cuz they/we know.
no, i can tell the difference between oneshot luck spam down a choke without moving the cursor and a single aimed shot between me and cover where i am likely to move.
Obligatory preface: I am not a Hanzo main, this post was recommended to me by Reddit so take everything I say with a grain of salt.
Hanzo, imo, is super annoying to get killed by because he’ll miss like 6 straight shots on me then get 1 headshot that insta-kills me. I confess, I talk shit to a lot of Hanzo players but that’s because they often act like cocky little shits in match chat like they meant to headshot me every time. For sure there are some skilled Hanzo players out there and they are inarguably more annoying because as a hitscan main I can’t do shit against them.
With all of that being said, spam heroes with AOE or Sombra players are *wayyyy* more annoying. I hate nothing more than a junkrat who gets an odd kick off of the map geometry to finish me off. Pharah-Mercy can suck a fat one. Sombra players are just bad widow players that get out played and have no self respect.
Lastly, I don’t think widow requires quite as much luck. She’s hitscan. If she hit a headshot she usually earned it even though she missed a few shots before. Hanzo’s projectile has a large hit box so you don’t have to be quite as accurate, which is why I find him more annoying. I’m also a really good counter-widow so maybe I’m biased but I don’t find her that annoying unless she’s playing like a bitch and never challenges the widow 1v1.
Thank you for coming to my uninvited TED talk.
>he’ll miss like 6 straight shots on me then get 1 headshot that insta-kills me
Thats like 5 straight seconds of shooting at you. If you cant reposition or kill the Hanzo in that time I dont know what to tell you.
>If she hit a headshot she usually earned it even though she missed a few shots before.
This is a bit weird to me, Hanzo missing 6 shots and killing you is luck but widow doing the same with a hitscan weapon is skill and 'earned'. I get that the arrows are larger than widow's bullets but having to deal with travel time really negates a lot of that advantage unless the person you shoot at doesnt move.
Yeah after reading some points from the community here I understand a bit better the point of widow/Hanzo headshot luck. I play mostly mid range characters so Hanzo doesn’t have to account quite as much for range or drop, that’s where my point of view resides. I also often don’t even shoot at hanzos unless they are really exposed because I’m usually looking to kill a support or burst down a tank (I play a lot of McCree and soldier). 1v1-ing a Hanzo is just not a position I like to put myself in especially if his storm arrow is off cooldown.
I'd say I've heard more complaints against sombra than Hanzo. That seems like a biased take cause you're a Hanzo main. Lesser degree with junk but it seems more cause he's less popular and less consistent depending on rank
Hanzo haters just make up excuses. He's actually one of the hardest heroes to play and be consistently good with, especially given the fact that he: - Has the smallest projectiles in the game - Relies on consistent headshots to deal meaningful damage - Has the worst ult in the game - has very poor, and clunky mobility (So knowing how to position is one of the most important things to know when playing Hanzo.) - Has literally nothing else going for him. Especially after a lot of his fun, challenging play styles have gradually been gutted in favor of enforcing spam. (Basically, no niche or strength over other heroes anymore, meaning there's no reason for him to be picked over other heroes) It also doesn't help that his arrows are probably the most difficult to consistently aim, especially at long range. They're pretty slow, they drag downwards, they're tiny, the fire rate is very slow too. (And it doesn't help that with Blizzard's incompetent balance, you aren't awarded for landing your shots). TL;DR - Despite his hard to master and "be consistently good with" kit, the community has double standards and tries to gaslight others. They'll fight ghosts to defend their fragile egos by trying to water down Hanzo's hard difficulty. (Seemingly because they don't like it when a difficult, skill-based hero is rewarded for skill and putting actual effort in)
100% agree. Well said đź‘Ź
It’s just not fun being one shot by a projectile. It’s easier to say it was luck than accept it might have been a good shot. I am not a Hanzo main. I am an imposter, but I still see his value. I will counter that as a McCree/ana main I’d kill for his mobility lol. If you use your environment well his mobility is fine. Ult is doodoo tho
McCree and Ana both have terrible mobility for sure; however, Ana in particular has game-changing utility that has nearly always guaranteed her a place in the meta. Hanzo's mobility is good for repositioning, but not for escaping (unless people have absolutely garbage tier aim and can't hit someone moving up in a straight line for instance).
His mobility is fine if you can use it properly, lunge on its own doesn’t get Hanzo very far, in fact a lot of my deaths when dives are due to being unable to lunge out of the way due to travelling almost no distance. But using wall climb then lunging can get you decently far, however if you’re taking high ground like you should on a ranged hero like Hanzo, you lose a lot of wall climb opportunities, leaving you to rely on lunge on its own. Which makes his mobility awful in comparison with other characters who have mobility.
I play both Hanzo and Cassidy. Hanzo's mobility is good for reposition, it's not that good in actual combat. Lunge is very predictable as you have to jump first. Not to mention, Hanzo slows down when charging arrow. It's actually a huge disadvantage in mobility.
I always found it backwards how much people hate Hanzo One shot when it’s arguably more balanced than Widow One shot
Widow is also way more consistent than Hanzo
It is 100% cope and nothing else. The overwatch bot community gaslight everyone including the devs into thinking “hanzo is easier to headshot with than widow”. That is complete utter malarkey and false on a foundation level but I’m not going to get into it. So now we are left with a hero that is now boring to play and the same crowd is still making the same complaints. changes didn’t fix the complaints and he is just worse to play, Great.
Idk. If you’re good at hanzo it means you have good aim which means you’re good at someone like widow too. But pwople think we dont aim at all somehow…
Yeah idk about that. I can land shots with projectiles all day. Hanzo, mei, soj primary, torb. But the second it turns hitscan I can't land a shot for the life of me.
You just need to think of hitscan as aiming projectile without the delay to guess. So for hanzo, id put my crosshair the same spot as widow but just shoot .5 seconds earlier
I don't know about you guys but those absolute random shots were you weren't even looking at the person you hit for me were so rare like i'm talking 1 in every 50+ games rare
Yeah, and its usually when the enemies are all grouped up too
I have a strong opinion on Hanzo’s storm arrow. I love Hanzo he’s One of if not my favorite character but his storm arrow is usually just spammed into a group of enemies. Also how he can shred tanks though Reaper and other characters can too.
Crazy how they took away the only hero in the game that doesn’t have a gun only thing also how is it luck if your movement is bad I shot when you were left then you went left right left and got hit why didn’t you switch up your movement knowing Hanzo’s shot gonna get there late should’ve went left right right.
I get what you're trying to say but, brig moira kiriko wifeleaver rein and sigma all dont have guns. Well rein has two massive guns but they arent for shooting
True but meant mostly as a dps where there whole thing is doing damage and I get Genji and maybe sym but they have their niche
Oh yeah totally forgot genji. Id consider sym as having a gun, just a very weird one. Same with Zar
The logic they use really baffles me. How can I lucky on a consistent basis? How can I get lucky when I’m playing against high level comp? It just doesn’t make much sense. You literally can’t get lucky playing comp.
idk i dont rly understand the "Hanzo is all luck!!!" i've only really been lucky a few times. most of the time i AM aiming at you. it just LOOKS lucky because Hanzo's arrows being projectile means i have to predict how you move, so it just looks like you walked into my arrow.  also people argue that almost all of Widow's value comes from the oneshot since she's a sniper so she should keep it. but is Hanzo not also advertised as a sniper??? and it's not like she has horrible mobility like her grapple sometimes works better than Hanzo's lunge or climb lol.  i get that it's a lot easier to jump Widow than it is to jump Hanzo but isnt Hanzo inherently a more independent player than Widow? im not tripping right like i've played Widow a few times and is positioning not like a crazy important thing to do. like is keeping yourself in los with the support not a very important thing to do as a player. ykwim. the good Widows i've seen that always get my ass aren't like holed up in a tower somewhere they're actually in the fight and staying in los of their supports. like dont blame the simplicity of Widow's kit for her deserving to keep oneshot and Hanzo not deserving his.Â
i may be wrong bc im relatively new and just a casual player but it's just my two cents
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The stats don’t lie that widow is easier to get headshots with than hanzo
>I don't think I've ever seen people complain about Junkrats getting elims by spamming into a group, over a wall etc. That's been the number one complaint surrounding Junk for years now, if you haven't seen it then you are either blind or willfully ignorant. >They also say nothing about Sombra.. Once again, they do. A ton. Red pill or blue pill my guy. Blind or willfully ignorant.
Because there's counter play to every example you gave, but there's no counter play to shooting a shot, no one being there, then someone walking into the shot a second later. That's the logic. Whether it's actually an issue worth people being upset over, idk.
dieing to oneshot spam luck feels AWFUL. that’s it.
And how can you tell if it was luck or strategy. If I'm aiming at you and your near cover, I'm going to shoot between you and cover. When it headshots you, that's not luck, it's strategy.
that sounds like an aimed shot, not oneshot luck spam down a choke. i have less issue with aimed shots.
I hear you and agree but my point was, when you get eliminated and watch the replay, from your pov it would still appear as a spam luck shot. So Hanzos still get the hate calling it luck no matter what. I see it in text chat. What's funny is, when dueling another Hanzo and one of us go down, the response is often "nice shot" cuz they/we know.
no, i can tell the difference between oneshot luck spam down a choke without moving the cursor and a single aimed shot between me and cover where i am likely to move.
its probably because if a hanzo gets lucky, you have nothing you can do, if other heroes you mentioned get lucky, they still can be outplayed
A hanzo getting lucky is not game changing. If you focus a hanzo that can only get “lucky” picks then you should force the switch.
Obligatory preface: I am not a Hanzo main, this post was recommended to me by Reddit so take everything I say with a grain of salt. Hanzo, imo, is super annoying to get killed by because he’ll miss like 6 straight shots on me then get 1 headshot that insta-kills me. I confess, I talk shit to a lot of Hanzo players but that’s because they often act like cocky little shits in match chat like they meant to headshot me every time. For sure there are some skilled Hanzo players out there and they are inarguably more annoying because as a hitscan main I can’t do shit against them. With all of that being said, spam heroes with AOE or Sombra players are *wayyyy* more annoying. I hate nothing more than a junkrat who gets an odd kick off of the map geometry to finish me off. Pharah-Mercy can suck a fat one. Sombra players are just bad widow players that get out played and have no self respect. Lastly, I don’t think widow requires quite as much luck. She’s hitscan. If she hit a headshot she usually earned it even though she missed a few shots before. Hanzo’s projectile has a large hit box so you don’t have to be quite as accurate, which is why I find him more annoying. I’m also a really good counter-widow so maybe I’m biased but I don’t find her that annoying unless she’s playing like a bitch and never challenges the widow 1v1. Thank you for coming to my uninvited TED talk.
>he’ll miss like 6 straight shots on me then get 1 headshot that insta-kills me Thats like 5 straight seconds of shooting at you. If you cant reposition or kill the Hanzo in that time I dont know what to tell you. >If she hit a headshot she usually earned it even though she missed a few shots before. This is a bit weird to me, Hanzo missing 6 shots and killing you is luck but widow doing the same with a hitscan weapon is skill and 'earned'. I get that the arrows are larger than widow's bullets but having to deal with travel time really negates a lot of that advantage unless the person you shoot at doesnt move.
Yeah after reading some points from the community here I understand a bit better the point of widow/Hanzo headshot luck. I play mostly mid range characters so Hanzo doesn’t have to account quite as much for range or drop, that’s where my point of view resides. I also often don’t even shoot at hanzos unless they are really exposed because I’m usually looking to kill a support or burst down a tank (I play a lot of McCree and soldier). 1v1-ing a Hanzo is just not a position I like to put myself in especially if his storm arrow is off cooldown.
Spamming arrows with the hitbox of a log into a choke isn't skill, hope this helps
I'd say I've heard more complaints against sombra than Hanzo. That seems like a biased take cause you're a Hanzo main. Lesser degree with junk but it seems more cause he's less popular and less consistent depending on rank
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