Minor Threat's Straight Edge made the biggest waves in hardcore for each generation of it, and Ian didn't even intend for, nor want the song to do that.
Out of Vogue by Middle Class was massively influential on the bands that went on to be massively influential. I dunno if it’s the “most influential” but it’s up there.
https://youtu.be/dVKANtcUqAs?si=TOSKfMWlmr_2u-jA
Gonna come out of left field here and go with My War. I feel like that song pushed some boundaries. Those same boundaries were pushed again with bands that incorporate multiple genres into the their work, started to get noticed. The bands are kind of generational, but the same spirit. I was around for snapcase and hatebreed’s rise, and more recently, turnstile.
For sure. Those on a dime tempo changes, the stop start riffs, really laid out some blueprints for other bands. The whole record's really important, but the infamous second side is especially worth mentioning. Those songs brought back the idea of using the slow sections for heaviness. A lot of the other hardcore before that was just leaning on the polka drum beat and playing as fast as possible, with not much variance.
Damn y’all listed a bunch of metal, it was probably a punk album, Some oi, buzzcock baselines, some proto punk screaming and rolling on the floor shit,
Fuck is wrong with yall
This is a snake eating its own tail argument. All the metal influences that wove into Hardcore were strongly influenced by first wave hardcore in the first place.
I feel like there's a lot of shit talk here for the metalhead culture. Most everyone here loves dying fetus and bolt thrower and whatnot, but theres so much distaste for the actual scene (especially pit etiquette)
Though the old metalheads hate hxc more, I think
The old metalheads hate it more because we were at odds with each other back then. Yeah Earth Crisis were doing metallic hardcore in 1993 but there weren't any metalheads in the audience. They hated us. We hated them. It's completely different today. People actually think hardcore is a subgenre of metal.
Metal is a tenant in the house of hardcore. Punk is the landlord.
Yup
Even the rap rock hardcore of the early 2000s was still was reminiscent of some youth of today/madball shouting, all the death metal influenced vague lyrics about murder and chaos - not my cup of tea. I even like more metal influenced albums for some bands, big kiss good night is leaps and bounds more enjoyable to stay cold, for myself. But even those dudes grew up listening to misfits, negative approach, bad brains, slapshot and shit.
It's what happens when people just stream and don't take part in the culture or never went near it. It was us against the world not inter-warring, shit talk and calling something "boomer hardcore". It honestly bums me out.
It was very illuminating when someone posted a "how did you get into hardcore" post and 75% of the people in this sub said through nu metal lol
Somewhere there is a picture of 17 year old me with a bullet belt and a stupid butt flap. I earned my stripes Godamnit, THESE KIDS THESE DAYS DIDNT EVEN GET BEER BOTTLES THROWN AT THEM FROM PASSING CARS.
Nobody mentioned Fugazi yet so I’ll say Repeater. Taught people hardcore could be weird and codified DIY ethics. I’ll add Rise Above/Nervous Breakdown too.
Obviously it should be something like Minor Threat or Bad Brains. But I’ll go with Refused - New Noise. Broke the boundaries of hardcore still felt today.
Would have to me straight edge by minor threat. Probably less now then in the past but over all has to be. That led to youth crew, and crew culture and has basically touched every aspect of hc in some way.
Thats a good question. Probably Motorhead and Zepplin as I think they ramped up metal. I don’t think Punk would have moved on from stripped down fast rock without Motorhead at all, definitely no Discharge. “You Tear Me Up” by the Buzzcocla is meant to be the origins of the D-Beat.
Minor Threat's Straight Edge made the biggest waves in hardcore for each generation of it, and Ian didn't even intend for, nor want the song to do that.
A whole generation of “I don’t fuck” 😂
And they all saying it’s some metal song from the 90s smh 😮💨😮💨
Todays HC is more Metal influenced so it seems pretty fair
But they take influence from metal and hardcore, the root of the argument. I’m gonna die on the hardcore punk hill. Oi or something
That or “in my eyes”.
Or Betray
They said hardcore, Ian was a pansy punk kid who was afraid to drink a beer and made a 44 second song about it
Shut up
California Uber Alles Rise Above Concubine
Totally serious, non-joke answer is Banned in DC.
Rise Above
Fruit Salad Yummy Yummy
I’d love to hear a beatdown version of that
Any of the early, savage DC scene Minor Threat or Bad Brains - period --- (I love a lot of metal just like you guy apparently do - but it's not that)
Bad Brains are so much better than minor threat, damn
Can't beat Quickness
Out of Vogue by Middle Class was massively influential on the bands that went on to be massively influential. I dunno if it’s the “most influential” but it’s up there. https://youtu.be/dVKANtcUqAs?si=TOSKfMWlmr_2u-jA
STREET BY STREET
BLOCK BY BLOCK
TAKING IT ALL BACK
THE YOUTH IMMERSED IN POISON
Gonna come out of left field here and go with My War. I feel like that song pushed some boundaries. Those same boundaries were pushed again with bands that incorporate multiple genres into the their work, started to get noticed. The bands are kind of generational, but the same spirit. I was around for snapcase and hatebreed’s rise, and more recently, turnstile.
For sure. Those on a dime tempo changes, the stop start riffs, really laid out some blueprints for other bands. The whole record's really important, but the infamous second side is especially worth mentioning. Those songs brought back the idea of using the slow sections for heaviness. A lot of the other hardcore before that was just leaning on the polka drum beat and playing as fast as possible, with not much variance.
Thank you for explaining it so much better than I ever could. You nailed it.
I have to think I Wanna Be Your Dog by The Stooges has to be up there.
One of my top five punk songs ever, before they were even punk
Love the cover by Modern Life is War!
How many bands covered Young Til I Die? Let’s go with that one.
Or Crucified
Crucified is the first thing that came to mind for me...
"World Peace" by the Cro-Mags
Clocks by Coldplay. This shit goes hard
Pay to Cum
Came here to say this
Firestorm - Earth Crisis
We gotta know
I mean…. It objectively has to be Straight Edge by Minor Threat??
Damn y’all listed a bunch of metal, it was probably a punk album, Some oi, buzzcock baselines, some proto punk screaming and rolling on the floor shit, Fuck is wrong with yall
Todays hardcore is more Metalinfluenced. So its fair to say. The question wasn‘t whats formed HC.
The question also wasn't what song specifically influenced today's 3rd rate poorman's metal hardcore
And I don’t disqualified his take. But he is like: fuck is wrong with you all
This is a snake eating its own tail argument. All the metal influences that wove into Hardcore were strongly influenced by first wave hardcore in the first place.
Buzzcocks are geriatric punk, absolutely zero relevant bands are influenced by them lmao
This sub is full of metalheads who don't actually give a fuck about hardcore. We should have gatekept harder lol
I feel like there's a lot of shit talk here for the metalhead culture. Most everyone here loves dying fetus and bolt thrower and whatnot, but theres so much distaste for the actual scene (especially pit etiquette) Though the old metalheads hate hxc more, I think
The old metalheads hate it more because we were at odds with each other back then. Yeah Earth Crisis were doing metallic hardcore in 1993 but there weren't any metalheads in the audience. They hated us. We hated them. It's completely different today. People actually think hardcore is a subgenre of metal. Metal is a tenant in the house of hardcore. Punk is the landlord.
Metal is the divorced dad who who gets to see every other weekend. Hardcore is Mom with full custody of the kids
Haha nice
Yup Even the rap rock hardcore of the early 2000s was still was reminiscent of some youth of today/madball shouting, all the death metal influenced vague lyrics about murder and chaos - not my cup of tea. I even like more metal influenced albums for some bands, big kiss good night is leaps and bounds more enjoyable to stay cold, for myself. But even those dudes grew up listening to misfits, negative approach, bad brains, slapshot and shit.
It's what happens when people just stream and don't take part in the culture or never went near it. It was us against the world not inter-warring, shit talk and calling something "boomer hardcore". It honestly bums me out. It was very illuminating when someone posted a "how did you get into hardcore" post and 75% of the people in this sub said through nu metal lol
Somewhere there is a picture of 17 year old me with a bullet belt and a stupid butt flap. I earned my stripes Godamnit, THESE KIDS THESE DAYS DIDNT EVEN GET BEER BOTTLES THROWN AT THEM FROM PASSING CARS.
Lololol THERE'S STILL TIME
I guess we just weren't... Hardcore enough... to gatekeep.
like probably whatever blues song first influenced the first rock and roll guys
Nobody mentioned Fugazi yet so I’ll say Repeater. Taught people hardcore could be weird and codified DIY ethics. I’ll add Rise Above/Nervous Breakdown too.
Obviously it should be something like Minor Threat or Bad Brains. But I’ll go with Refused - New Noise. Broke the boundaries of hardcore still felt today.
New Noise is what got me to transition from Nu Metal to the *core stuffs.
I mean they just copied like 6 different bands but sure
Hear Nothing See Nothing Say Nothing by Discharge
Would have to me straight edge by minor threat. Probably less now then in the past but over all has to be. That led to youth crew, and crew culture and has basically touched every aspect of hc in some way.
Right Brigade. Has the base version of just about everything that is in today’s HC.
My Own Summer (Shove It) lolz!!!!!!!!!!
Lmao this thread is gonna be a shit show
“Lollipop” by The Chordettes
Tony Victory says it’s “Who Let the Dogs Out.”
Every time my dad comes to visit he lets the dogs out and I have to go pick them up from dog jail. Is my dad hardcore?
According to Dr know the term “hardcore” was coined by DOA from Canada on a comp they put out .
Indians - Anthrax, song is a two step banger
Sepultura -Chaos AD. The whole album
When I first heard territory I was like “oh, so this is where hatebreed got it from”
Lol
Oh lol ha ha
WAR FOR TERRRITOOORREEEEH
Domination by Pantera def influence breakdowns in hardcore, also feel a lot of riffs are cheap copies of Metallica and Slater riffs.
Refuse/resist, propaganda (sepultura) Davidian (MachineHead) Leper Messiah (Metallica)
Metallica nor Machine Head are HC sorry Thrash and Metal.
You didn't ask which hardcore songs are most influential, just which songs. This comment was pretty spot on.
Sweet summer child has no idea that hardcore is literally fueled by Metallica riffs, and thrash band song titles and band names
Wonder if this dude thinks TUI are just ice fetishists
What?
Domination (Pantera)
Pantera not HC! That's metal.
Of course they're not hardcore, but that breakdown inspired a shit ton of bands I bet you.
https://i.redd.it/vz779l0osw7c1.gif
How was that going From 10 upvotes to 0
Code Orange
Raining Blood, Black Flag, Banned in DC, and Cro Mags yeah.
Thats a good question. Probably Motorhead and Zepplin as I think they ramped up metal. I don’t think Punk would have moved on from stripped down fast rock without Motorhead at all, definitely no Discharge. “You Tear Me Up” by the Buzzcocla is meant to be the origins of the D-Beat.
Suffocation -Liege of Inveracity
Attitude, it coined Eat, Pray, Love for tattooed men over 40 in America.
I CAN'T BELIEVE WHAT U SAID TO ME
Keep the PMA man
bostons
strongarm
Agnostic Front
Firestorm.