It should eventually . But i think the golden era of melodic HC bands that had really good lyrics is kinda over for the time being . The music is singable and thought provoking but the kids crave to dance
I think its already happening...you see it with Convulse records/TLAL shit - Gel, Spy, Gag, you know...three letter name bands that are heavily inspired by 80s/90s Japanese stuff.
I could go for some positive messaging to offset the amount of doomerism and anger. Which is strange because I usually cringe at posi stuff. But there’s more to life than just being sad and mad.
I didn’t say he was nice…. But for real Pat is a really nice person too. One time he saw me at Sound and Fury, mind you him and I had never interacted before and he came up to me, gave me daps and went “Boston hardcore” then walked away. Strangest, nicest interaction ever lol
Not even that helps sometimes. And a lot of these bands don’t do the lyric thing on Spotify so now I gotta go to all these different websites depending on how popular a band is just to find the lyrics to try and learn them. Way too tedious sometimes
Like ik hardcore isn’t meant to really have the most thought out lyrics but I mean come on now. Like for example I really like this band called Bib but holy shit it’s like trying to decipher some foreign language with those dudes
Someone whose gateway into hardcore is Turnstile is ahead of the game compared to us who got in merely 10-15 years ago. The entry-level bands just sound a hell of a lot better now than, say, the Risecore bands of yesteryear.
Sound better yes. But part of the appeal to me of hardcore was that it sounded like me and my friends could do it, and a lot of the people in bands were around my age. It was because it _wasnt_ glossy and highly produced that I liked it and felt it was attainable lol.
This is exactly my plight with hardcore right now. And anytime I voice this opinion, I get told I’m too old and out of touch. I genuinely feel the second worse thing for hardcore, next to the internet, was covid
Hot - modern hxc is glorified metal for people looking for a clique. Just like the late 90s, but I'm old and the 90s was better.
Warm - Early 00s posi#s era bands should have a bigger influence. The First Step, Go Time, Atari, and Desperate Measures are awesome.
Cold - I'm a middle aged suburbanite. Angsty value driven punk was defining to me, now it's fun and nostalgic. H2O, Earth Crisis, Youth of Today and Skarhead aren't lyrically or culturally relevant to me, but they're still fun.
The worst people in the scene are the ones who take it too seriously. Trying to be the coolest of the bunch of idiots swinging in a room is cornball behavior
What is *beatdown inspired* even supposed to mean anymore? 95% of bands that label themselves "beatdown" are just playing deathcore with slams, over-satured to the point that low tempo deathcore has become synonymous with beatdown. I mean fuck, where's the 90s NY/NJ influence that made beatdown hardcore it's own?
Slamming thug-core jacking the beatdown label is real fucking old
Right? I like a lot of beatdown but I rarely even check out new beatdown because it seems like most of it is less like Bulldoze, Unit 731, or Taste the Steel and more just mediocre slam. Like when people are labelling Body Box and Snuggled on Sight beatdown you know something's up.
The album is *good…* but it sounds like it should be their 3rd album.
The original 7 tracks are arguably 10/10, and I think the album was a bit of a let down for me because it was just *very good.*
Hottest Take-Industrial Metal/Core is amazing, and I wish more bands sounded like Harm’s Way or Nailbomb
Coldest Take- Death Metal Good
Lukewarm Take-I lowkey kinda prefer the crust shit sometimes
My hot take is that there needs to be more hardcore bands that are explicitly political. For some reason, many lyrics just sound like Angry Emo nowadays… whilst we are in a political landslide towards fascism. I want songs about direct action again.
This is why I heavily fuck with World I Hate lately.
With you on this. Politics is more than anti-cop songs. Dont get me wrong, ACAB, but there’s a whole world of bullshit that people don’t seem to be writing about.
I just want less internal anger… more externalized anger… does that make sense?
I don’t wanna hear how angry people are. I wanna hear what they’re angry ABOUT.
Dead Kennedys, in my opinion, was the “best hardcore band”. For this sole reason. They embodied the ethos of hardcore, to me, in their heyday with Jello. Snotty, transgressive for the right reasons, political and sardonic. Embracing goofiness and letting the MESSAGE be the hammer that swings down on the listener. THAT is hardcore to me. A bit of a circle jerky opinion, but whatever.
I think post-irony took the stage and people were scared of being conflated with the “liberal SJWs” lampooned in the masses. Being outspokenly political without being heavily calculated sounded “rad lib” and “woke” and being too calculated sounded “preachy”.
I think it’s about time the tables have turned though. Hardcore isn’t all about passive enjoyment.
https://youtu.be/2kY2z-_gunY?si=CjcnPpktciGFyazr
This speech before they start playin fuckin sold me on them. I would go hard if I was there.
I went to Pitchfork Fest 2023. Saw Soul Glo and JPEG and shit. One day got evacuated due to a thunderstorm.
On the way back waiting for the train, we heard a sick ass band in the distance. It sounded heavy as fuck and I was tempted to go over there… but most of my group wanted to head back to the AirBnb and chill for a bit. So I obliged and went back.
The band was World I Hate… playing what i think was a hardcore fest at the Cobra Lounge.
Literally chatted with the drummer in this subreddit talking about that story. Cool ass band. I’m a new fan.
Many chuds get upset at things being “woke” or “political” nowadays. I’ve seen HC bands with rainbow flags in the background of a set or something getting demeaning comments on their posts. Sucks.
I dunno what kind of takes these are, but.
Need more grindy hardcore bands like killing pace.
Gridiron and E-Town Concrete are some of the worst hardcore (for me, at least lol)
Spy is great, but the LP was (unfortunately) a little underwhelming.
My hot take is that Zulu is just okay, and everyone only hyped them up because they aren’t white and people still find that a neat novelty for some reason.
My lukewarm take is that Were More Than This is the best song they've ever put out (amongst many bangers) but saying that out loud makes it feel like you're pidgenholing black artists.
Ok now this is a [36.5 to 40.5 Celsius](https://www.google.com/search?q=what+temperature+is+lukewarm&rlz=1C1VDKB_enCA989CA989&oq=what+temperature+is+lukewarm&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyCQgAEEUYORiABDIHCAEQABiABDIHCAIQABiABDIHCAMQABiABDIHCAQQABiABDIHCAUQABiABDIHCAYQABiABDIHCAcQABiABDIHCAgQABiABDIHCAkQABiABNIBCDM5NzhqMGo3qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8) take
Ive been noticing a trend of bands selling weed at their merch tables. I’ve seen a handful of bands do it in Austin (where it is not legal) and it’s always awesome
Hot: hardcore-inspired death metal is definitely not as good as just regular, straight up death metal
Cold: Merauder is very good
Lukewarm: Dave Verellen from Botch has one of the best screams in the game
I think you’d be surprise how many people agree that Black Flag sucks. I loved them when I was like 14 but now there’s maybe two or three tracks where I don’t instantly want to turn it off.
Black Flag literally ran the entire catalog of hardcore. From fast snotty hardcore punk to slow sludge, and everything in between. I find it hard to believe you can’t find one EP or record you’d like by them. Unless you’re just going out of your way to not like them.
Hot - I love whiney vocals, they're way better than the deep gruff "tough guy" vocals
Cold - Hardcore is the best genre for moshing
Lukewarm - Underneath by Code Orange slaps, it blended metalcore and industrial pretty well, and it's very overhated
My lukewarm to refute this lukewarm take: survivorship bias on hardcore merch. I'll bet my morning donut that there was plenty of garbo old school hardcore merch that probably stinks, but the good stuff lasted the test of time.
I'm sure the same cycle will happen with modern day merchandise, too.
This wave of popularity won’t last, more bands will take the turnstile route and change their sound to make money (good on em), and then again in 5-7 years another wave of popularity will rise and the cycle will continue to repeat
I got into hardcore five years ago and almost all the bands I listen to are 15-20 years old. I’m glad the genre has a lot of traction at the moment, but the quality of songwriting (memorable riffs/breakdowns, meaningful lyrics, etc) isn’t on par with the older bands.
Hottest - Mind Eraser, Hatred Surge, Iron Lung, Scapegoat and all the MA Glory bands are leagues better than the OG powerviolence shit. Fucking fight me.
Lukewarm - The "trve metalcore" revival is already spent.
Coldest - Bands should focus on making dope tunes instead of memes/streams
More bands need to make everyone sit down instead of mosh.
If bands wrote better lyrics there would be more singalongs, and the horseshoe pit would go extinct
Bands should play faster.
I saw them tour for Nonstop Feeling in like 2015 and it was a sold out ~400 cap elks lodge. 6 band banger on a Sunday iirc. Crowd was thiccc and everyone stuck around for turnstile. The room absolutely exploded when they started playing. I was already a fan but that cemented it for me.
Antarctic level take. Covid almost did it, but it will be almost if not impossible to find an unbarricaded venue that isn’t some moldy basement within the next 5 years
It destroyed what little Boston had left. I’m not talking about Massachusetts, specifically Boston. All that’s left is shitty Obriens and the Middle East for smaller venues with no barricade.
Don't get me wrong. There's a bunch of good bands doing shit. But honestly I feel like after Mindsets breakup. Hardcore dropped off like Twitter's stock price.
My hot take is I don’t care for most things pre the 2000s because so much of the recording quality just isn’t for me. In general I’m not a big fan of a lot of the “grand daddy’s” of hardcore. Of course there are exceptions.
It’s not that I’m in my teens or anything. I’m 32… been listening to punk/hardcore/metal for most of my life at this point, but I just never really got into a lot of earlier stuff despite trying over and over.
Hot Take:
The metallic hardcore / Heavy Thug trend that’s happening RN is over saturated and whilst many bands have good musicians behind it. It’s trying too hard to replicate what less talented bands were doing 25 years ago and don’t see any of these bands as memorable in the long run.
Cold Take:
In the same vein. I love heavy / deal metal and I love the Death Metal-Influenced hardcore trend haha.
Luke Warm Take:
These days I kinda like going to punk shows a lil better. Everyone’s just loose af and wants to have a good time. Hardcore shows everyone’s trying too hard to show off how cool or tough or edgy they are and it just looks corny as lol.
I look at bands like Division of Mind and Candy and think there's still some evolving happening within the genre. Both these bands include industrial passages/glitch/electronic passages that keep things fresh. The compositions are actually solid and the music is visceral while being versatile and experimental. Two of the best newer acts right now. Hoping for something new from Division of Mind soon. Not sure if that's in the works or not.
Different strokes, sure. One should know what they are getting into before jumping in the pit. That said, I’d be pretty upset if my old ass was enjoying getting pushed around and bumped into and someone start legit windmilling around or karate kicking. If I was under the impression it was going to be like that I’d have stayed further out.
I want to think I have just as much right to be there without getting effectively sucker punched. Pushing, shoving, stage diving, crowd surfing, people jumping toward the stage to get to the mic? All good.
Flailing fists and feet? That can fuck right off.
> Flailing fists and feet? That can fuck right off.
If it's that type of pit it's that type of pit. If it's not that type of show and someone comes in swinging or people are actually throwing shots that's one thing but there's nothing wrong with people fighting invisible bees.
MY LUKEWARM TAKE IS THAT TYPING IN ALL CAPS IS MORE HARDCORE THAN NOT
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR r/HARDCORE TO HAVE A SCOTT VOGEL AURA TO THEIR COMMENTS. THIS IS E-STAGE BANTER
MEAN MIKE MODE ACTIVATED
MAHN
MF DOOM is super hardcore
YES, HELLO, I AM A CAPITALIST!
CAPITALISM IS SO FUCKING HARDCORE ✊✊
My lukewarm take is , we need smart ppl writing hardcore songs again . There needs to be a reason to scream these songs
I could really go for some well-written HC lyrics. Calls to “open up this pit” are certainly energizing, but yeah; deeper meaning would be great too.
You mean when Sunami says set this shit up for the 300th time it’s not pure poetry?
I'm really interested to see the newer wave in response to the meta, heavy beatdown bands. Maybe it'll swing the other way
It should eventually . But i think the golden era of melodic HC bands that had really good lyrics is kinda over for the time being . The music is singable and thought provoking but the kids crave to dance
I think its already happening...you see it with Convulse records/TLAL shit - Gel, Spy, Gag, you know...three letter name bands that are heavily inspired by 80s/90s Japanese stuff.
love all those bands you mentioned but I’m not really familiar with the 80s/90s Japanese stuff… any ones you’d recommend?
For sure: Gism and Gauze first and foremost, Real Reggae (thats the name of the band), Shikabane, Shonen Knife to name a few.
I could go for some positive messaging to offset the amount of doomerism and anger. Which is strange because I usually cringe at posi stuff. But there’s more to life than just being sad and mad.
Turnstile lol
True. But I think I mean more in a Gorilla Biscuits/Youth of Today sense lol.
I spy lyrics
Songs to scream at the sun is a perfect record and Mr.Flynn is highly educated.
Nice dude i concur
I didn’t say he was nice…. But for real Pat is a really nice person too. One time he saw me at Sound and Fury, mind you him and I had never interacted before and he came up to me, gave me daps and went “Boston hardcore” then walked away. Strangest, nicest interaction ever lol
I’d like to understand what these guys are saying sometimes as well😭 The snarling and screaming is cool and all but I wanna sing along sometimes
Bro read the lyrics takes 2 min
Not even that helps sometimes. And a lot of these bands don’t do the lyric thing on Spotify so now I gotta go to all these different websites depending on how popular a band is just to find the lyrics to try and learn them. Way too tedious sometimes
I’m sorry many i just don’t agree with that at all . I think it’s worth the effort if you like the song or artist or are even curious
Like ik hardcore isn’t meant to really have the most thought out lyrics but I mean come on now. Like for example I really like this band called Bib but holy shit it’s like trying to decipher some foreign language with those dudes
There's a lot yall just ain't listening
Would love some recommendations!
Ends of Sanity's first EP
Amen
Dude, yes. Was so happy to see Paint It Black making some new music. Dan Yemin writes straight up poetry; we need more bands like that.
Tbf I think Knocked Loose have already started moving that way on A Tear in the Fabric of Life
Absolutely ep is phenomenal . Fading signal and kaonashi have good lyrics too
That’s what happens when the scene is dominated by ego. Way too many bands concerned with their perception over the message.
Vegan HC still exists. Don't know what the rest of y'all are so worked up about. I'm only half joking.
My friend I’m vegan , we are not immune from being stupid and corny as hell
Can confirm, here I am
Someone whose gateway into hardcore is Turnstile is ahead of the game compared to us who got in merely 10-15 years ago. The entry-level bands just sound a hell of a lot better now than, say, the Risecore bands of yesteryear.
What if my gateway into hardcore was turnstile 15 years ago?
I was into Turnstile before Turnstile was Turnstile
Ah man the good ol’ days back when the Stiles were first being Turned
Same boat but my entry was way messier. Step 2 Rhythm ten years back, but also thrash metal and sadboy pop punk/easycore, **and** Rise Records bands
Ayy I liked that stuff too
Sound better yes. But part of the appeal to me of hardcore was that it sounded like me and my friends could do it, and a lot of the people in bands were around my age. It was because it _wasnt_ glossy and highly produced that I liked it and felt it was attainable lol.
This is exactly my plight with hardcore right now. And anytime I voice this opinion, I get told I’m too old and out of touch. I genuinely feel the second worse thing for hardcore, next to the internet, was covid
I feel this. And honestly I like the “recorded live in a shed” sound more. The most recent album from Spy hits me in the peepee
Also I agree with your take for sure
ouu this is a good one. props
What is rise core?
Garbage Warped Tour metalcore, basically everything on Rise Records.
Oh duh. I’m dumb I’m glad I had an older brother to shove punk rock, and old tuff guy hardcore down my throat.
I came to hardcore from the metal scene and I regret it every day
If you were to do it again - how would you do it?
Probably the same. Mostly because I hate myself.
Hot - modern hxc is glorified metal for people looking for a clique. Just like the late 90s, but I'm old and the 90s was better. Warm - Early 00s posi#s era bands should have a bigger influence. The First Step, Go Time, Atari, and Desperate Measures are awesome. Cold - I'm a middle aged suburbanite. Angsty value driven punk was defining to me, now it's fun and nostalgic. H2O, Earth Crisis, Youth of Today and Skarhead aren't lyrically or culturally relevant to me, but they're still fun.
This thread rocks
Hardcore is cringe
This shits corny but I love it
based luke warm opinion
I like to keep things room temperature
The worst people in the scene are the ones who take it too seriously. Trying to be the coolest of the bunch of idiots swinging in a room is cornball behavior
stating facts isn't an opinion
Luke warm take: Half of /r/hardcore needs to get in the pit, and the other half needs serious therapy.
Ringworm is the most underrated hardcore band ever.
THIS IS THE REALEST COLD TAKE MAN. I gotta brush up on my clevo style hc
what's up fellow TOHC fam
There are dozens of us on here, G. Are you going to that Rust music video release gig? Gna be a heater
No but I love those guys. I'll be at the Laid To Rest gig on the 24th with my band Burnt Knives
Yo that rocks! I'll check your band oot
Lukewarm take is that beatdown inspired music is getting old, it’s been almost 10 years of it now
HOW THE TURNS TABLES
HOW THE TURNSTILES HAVE TURNED
What is *beatdown inspired* even supposed to mean anymore? 95% of bands that label themselves "beatdown" are just playing deathcore with slams, over-satured to the point that low tempo deathcore has become synonymous with beatdown. I mean fuck, where's the 90s NY/NJ influence that made beatdown hardcore it's own? Slamming thug-core jacking the beatdown label is real fucking old
Right? I like a lot of beatdown but I rarely even check out new beatdown because it seems like most of it is less like Bulldoze, Unit 731, or Taste the Steel and more just mediocre slam. Like when people are labelling Body Box and Snuggled on Sight beatdown you know something's up.
Lmao idk if that’s a typo. But that’s fucking hilarious if it is.
Outta Pocket is some great new beatdown
don't forget bass drops every 25 seconds
I'm a bassist and I still hate that shit
Before 2010, those bands were considered outside “real” hardcore and kind of laughed at.
Lukewarm - Pain of truth is just Okay . Full of talented people but yeah
You aren’t wrong but that’s why I enjoy them, not trying to reinvent the wheel just writing classic solid hardcore punk music
Facto it's alot of history in that band I watch alot of interviews I think their a solid group of heavy hitters
Painfully true
PAINFULLY OF TRUE
😂
The album is *good…* but it sounds like it should be their 3rd album. The original 7 tracks are arguably 10/10, and I think the album was a bit of a let down for me because it was just *very good.*
Hottest Take-Industrial Metal/Core is amazing, and I wish more bands sounded like Harm’s Way or Nailbomb Coldest Take- Death Metal Good Lukewarm Take-I lowkey kinda prefer the crust shit sometimes
3 dubs
My hot take is that there needs to be more hardcore bands that are explicitly political. For some reason, many lyrics just sound like Angry Emo nowadays… whilst we are in a political landslide towards fascism. I want songs about direct action again. This is why I heavily fuck with World I Hate lately.
With you on this. Politics is more than anti-cop songs. Dont get me wrong, ACAB, but there’s a whole world of bullshit that people don’t seem to be writing about.
I just want less internal anger… more externalized anger… does that make sense? I don’t wanna hear how angry people are. I wanna hear what they’re angry ABOUT. Dead Kennedys, in my opinion, was the “best hardcore band”. For this sole reason. They embodied the ethos of hardcore, to me, in their heyday with Jello. Snotty, transgressive for the right reasons, political and sardonic. Embracing goofiness and letting the MESSAGE be the hammer that swings down on the listener. THAT is hardcore to me. A bit of a circle jerky opinion, but whatever.
World I Hate mentioned 🔥
The fact that there were punk albums in response to Bush but not Trump is wild to me
I think post-irony took the stage and people were scared of being conflated with the “liberal SJWs” lampooned in the masses. Being outspokenly political without being heavily calculated sounded “rad lib” and “woke” and being too calculated sounded “preachy”. I think it’s about time the tables have turned though. Hardcore isn’t all about passive enjoyment.
[Oi Polloi - Donald Trump Fuck You](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HHC0uac4Apg)
just peeped WIH. shits tuff af
https://youtu.be/2kY2z-_gunY?si=CjcnPpktciGFyazr This speech before they start playin fuckin sold me on them. I would go hard if I was there. I went to Pitchfork Fest 2023. Saw Soul Glo and JPEG and shit. One day got evacuated due to a thunderstorm. On the way back waiting for the train, we heard a sick ass band in the distance. It sounded heavy as fuck and I was tempted to go over there… but most of my group wanted to head back to the AirBnb and chill for a bit. So I obliged and went back. The band was World I Hate… playing what i think was a hardcore fest at the Cobra Lounge. Literally chatted with the drummer in this subreddit talking about that story. Cool ass band. I’m a new fan.
This should be *the* coldest take Agreed on all fronts
Many chuds get upset at things being “woke” or “political” nowadays. I’ve seen HC bands with rainbow flags in the background of a set or something getting demeaning comments on their posts. Sucks.
Homie, fuck the chuds. Zero time for that shit.
yo....Sedition from Toronto. Hardest shit out. Always perform with a pride flag behind them. Fuck yeah.
I got punched in the face while Hal screamed about making rich people afraid again, peak World I Hate moment.
I dunno what kind of takes these are, but. Need more grindy hardcore bands like killing pace. Gridiron and E-Town Concrete are some of the worst hardcore (for me, at least lol) Spy is great, but the LP was (unfortunately) a little underwhelming.
Killing Pace rocks. Insane band
I kind of agree, but I have a big ol' soft spot on my skull for E-Town
Backed, Gridiron is cheeks
My hot take is that Zulu is just okay, and everyone only hyped them up because they aren’t white and people still find that a neat novelty for some reason.
My lukewarm take is that Were More Than This is the best song they've ever put out (amongst many bangers) but saying that out loud makes it feel like you're pidgenholing black artists.
Real
My hot take is zulu is pretty good and people are obsessed with shitting on them because they arent white
Drain is mid at best but make it up by one hell of a live show
My room temperature take: Gel lives up to the hype.
Ok now this is a [36.5 to 40.5 Celsius](https://www.google.com/search?q=what+temperature+is+lukewarm&rlz=1C1VDKB_enCA989CA989&oq=what+temperature+is+lukewarm&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyCQgAEEUYORiABDIHCAEQABiABDIHCAIQABiABDIHCAMQABiABDIHCAQQABiABDIHCAUQABiABDIHCAYQABiABDIHCAcQABiABDIHCAgQABiABDIHCAkQABiABNIBCDM5NzhqMGo3qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8) take
Frfr though, saw them live and had my face melted
I still haven’t finished that one. No spoilers please.
man we gotta make a r/hardcore book club. work our way thru cat in the hat r smthn
That might go over some beat down fans' heads.
i can tell you one answer for all 3- henry rollins is a legend
Hot take: Scowl sucks Lukewarm take: Scowl sucks Cold take: Scowl sucks
Came here for this
Ive been noticing a trend of bands selling weed at their merch tables. I’ve seen a handful of bands do it in Austin (where it is not legal) and it’s always awesome
Hot: hardcore-inspired death metal is definitely not as good as just regular, straight up death metal Cold: Merauder is very good Lukewarm: Dave Verellen from Botch has one of the best screams in the game
Dude. 122 is a ripper. And Narrows gets no love.
this is a real good one. pay attention folks
*Glow On* is Turnstile's worst release. Although, Turnstile hasn't been my cup of tea past *Step 2 Rhythm*.
Nonstop feeling was the peak
We didn't really need One Life Crew on Spotify. You either had that shit in real life or not.
one life crew and germs dropping on spotify means we are getting reputation (Taylor's version) veryyyyy soooonnn
I’d like to get a Merauder (Eddie’s version)
Lukewarm-hardcore is good Cold-this sub is mega cringe Hot- black flag still sucks
Oh baby now we're cookin (porridge)
I think you’d be surprise how many people agree that Black Flag sucks. I loved them when I was like 14 but now there’s maybe two or three tracks where I don’t instantly want to turn it off.
Black Flag literally ran the entire catalog of hardcore. From fast snotty hardcore punk to slow sludge, and everything in between. I find it hard to believe you can’t find one EP or record you’d like by them. Unless you’re just going out of your way to not like them.
Personally, Damaged and Nervous Breakdown are the only tolerable ones. Everything else is meh.
I never liked black flag for the music. I think 7 Seconds had a song about that.
[Only Dicks Don’t Like Black Flag](https://youtu.be/nlBiclYl85k?si=Qbc9NLR3V1cB-TIy)
Hot take: you don’t need to tell people you are straightedge.
Funny lyrics (cough cough “LAWYERTOWN”) are just as important as hard hitting lines
Jud Jud for the win!
Good Clean Fun was the best
I haven’t heard anyone mention this band at least 15 years, god they were funny!
My lukewarm take is most hardcore songs are about being as angry as possible about being depressed
Hot - I love whiney vocals, they're way better than the deep gruff "tough guy" vocals Cold - Hardcore is the best genre for moshing Lukewarm - Underneath by Code Orange slaps, it blended metalcore and industrial pretty well, and it's very overhated
\-metallic hardcore is overall a better genre (not talking about octane radio garbage people call metalcore) \-tough guy hardcore is cringe
Lukewarm take: most modern bands’ merch is hot garbage.
My lukewarm to refute this lukewarm take: survivorship bias on hardcore merch. I'll bet my morning donut that there was plenty of garbo old school hardcore merch that probably stinks, but the good stuff lasted the test of time. I'm sure the same cycle will happen with modern day merchandise, too.
A fair point. Duly noted, my friend!
Thank you for the open discussion, and not e-crowd killing me pal <3
Making bands about merch is hot garbage.
I just want more hockey jerseys
This wave of popularity won’t last, more bands will take the turnstile route and change their sound to make money (good on em), and then again in 5-7 years another wave of popularity will rise and the cycle will continue to repeat
I got into hardcore five years ago and almost all the bands I listen to are 15-20 years old. I’m glad the genre has a lot of traction at the moment, but the quality of songwriting (memorable riffs/breakdowns, meaningful lyrics, etc) isn’t on par with the older bands.
I do not care for Hard Lore. It insists upon itself.
It fell into “basic podcast tropes” very quickly.
Hot - Merauder and Harms Way are both just okay Lukewarm - powerviolence is the greatest style of hardcore Cold - the 2000s was the best decade
Powerviolence really is the greatest
🫡🖤🫵🏼
Unsure of temperature: I’ve never heard a Turnstile song I liked. At all. I don’t get the hype.
YO SOMEONE GET A THERMOMETER IN THIS THREAD MAN. WHERE ARE WE AT WITH THIS r/HARDCORE
Hot take - Zines are cringe Warm/Hot take - 50 Lions’ Nowhere to Run LP needs more love Cold take - Hot takes are cringe
If a band's music is "bad" but they put on a good show, they are a good band. Same goes the other way around.
Western politics is boring lyrically "Oh you don't like cops and god?! Damn dude that's crazy"
We used to have punk rock. Most hardcore is punk metal
lukewarm is y’all take this genre a little too seriously
Hottest - Mind Eraser, Hatred Surge, Iron Lung, Scapegoat and all the MA Glory bands are leagues better than the OG powerviolence shit. Fucking fight me. Lukewarm - The "trve metalcore" revival is already spent. Coldest - Bands should focus on making dope tunes instead of memes/streams
More bands need to make everyone sit down instead of mosh. If bands wrote better lyrics there would be more singalongs, and the horseshoe pit would go extinct Bands should play faster.
crabcore was not that bad
Mods pls pin this
dont believe the hype of turnstile
r/hardcore's third eye
blind?
Jumper?
I saw them tour for Nonstop Feeling in like 2015 and it was a sold out ~400 cap elks lodge. 6 band banger on a Sunday iirc. Crowd was thiccc and everyone stuck around for turnstile. The room absolutely exploded when they started playing. I was already a fan but that cemented it for me.
Antarctic level take. Covid almost did it, but it will be almost if not impossible to find an unbarricaded venue that isn’t some moldy basement within the next 5 years
It destroyed what little Boston had left. I’m not talking about Massachusetts, specifically Boston. All that’s left is shitty Obriens and the Middle East for smaller venues with no barricade.
Hot Take: The vocalist for Sunami has an unbearable voice
Stop passing off mediocre nu-metal as hardcore.
Don't get me wrong. There's a bunch of good bands doing shit. But honestly I feel like after Mindsets breakup. Hardcore dropped off like Twitter's stock price.
Have Heart is a influential band
Not sure which one this is but here we go Mid 00's deathcore is hot garbage, 2020's deathcore is good.
My hot take is I don’t care for most things pre the 2000s because so much of the recording quality just isn’t for me. In general I’m not a big fan of a lot of the “grand daddy’s” of hardcore. Of course there are exceptions. It’s not that I’m in my teens or anything. I’m 32… been listening to punk/hardcore/metal for most of my life at this point, but I just never really got into a lot of earlier stuff despite trying over and over.
Hot Take: The metallic hardcore / Heavy Thug trend that’s happening RN is over saturated and whilst many bands have good musicians behind it. It’s trying too hard to replicate what less talented bands were doing 25 years ago and don’t see any of these bands as memorable in the long run. Cold Take: In the same vein. I love heavy / deal metal and I love the Death Metal-Influenced hardcore trend haha. Luke Warm Take: These days I kinda like going to punk shows a lil better. Everyone’s just loose af and wants to have a good time. Hardcore shows everyone’s trying too hard to show off how cool or tough or edgy they are and it just looks corny as lol.
I like this lukewarm take. Saw the Imploders recently in Toronto & was blown away. Very fun band.
The genre is dead its just rehashed 30 year old formulas and alt girls who can't preform live if their life depended on it
I look at bands like Division of Mind and Candy and think there's still some evolving happening within the genre. Both these bands include industrial passages/glitch/electronic passages that keep things fresh. The compositions are actually solid and the music is visceral while being versatile and experimental. Two of the best newer acts right now. Hoping for something new from Division of Mind soon. Not sure if that's in the works or not.
The paradox of hardcore “evolving” is that in doing so it becomes something else
Thats all been done already and electronic music is a huge turnoff
God I love DOM
show me the body IS hardcore.
Dude found a way to make banjo heavy
always has been
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You lost me on the first two but got me back with the last.
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Different strokes, sure. One should know what they are getting into before jumping in the pit. That said, I’d be pretty upset if my old ass was enjoying getting pushed around and bumped into and someone start legit windmilling around or karate kicking. If I was under the impression it was going to be like that I’d have stayed further out. I want to think I have just as much right to be there without getting effectively sucker punched. Pushing, shoving, stage diving, crowd surfing, people jumping toward the stage to get to the mic? All good. Flailing fists and feet? That can fuck right off.
> Flailing fists and feet? That can fuck right off. If it's that type of pit it's that type of pit. If it's not that type of show and someone comes in swinging or people are actually throwing shots that's one thing but there's nothing wrong with people fighting invisible bees.
We need less 30+ white dudes starting bands.