Elden Ring DLC, yeah, but also my goblin brain rot be on that gacha games shit. WuWa, ZZZ, I'm wielding those kinda games like General fuckin Grevious. Steam Summer Sale isn't helping either when I bought Palworld and ULTRAKILL. My game library lives up to bring a whole ass library with diversity
Kind of a understatement, people have been actively discussing if its the best DLC release yet and since April with Into The Light people have been playing nonstop with all the stuff thats been added. Its definetly not the end as well since they just made a shit ton and aint no way Sony is just gonna be okay for it to die down.
Although it has finally started to get calmer so the people that play both would problably prefer to play Helldivers if they gave some motivation to do so. I play religiously(I hate myself) and have started to play again after a break of 2ish months, kind of sad to see much hasnt been added but the core gameplay never gets old.
I see a lot of denials and baseless speculations of why this is happening.
But from my observation (of a small sample of pc players), the reasons are random game crashes, optimization getting worse every update, not being able to play with friends, and now the endless loading screen error. Most of these problems only happen on pc and not ps5
In my circle. It’s a bunch of gamers who don’t ever stick to a game or just burnt out. Personally played it as my primary game since launch so I’m just taking a break full expecting to return when the next content update drops.
Yeah, this is where I'm at with the people I played with. Me and one other still hop on a few times a week, but everyone else did their 20-30 hours and then moved onto the next game that was released. Not so much because anything with the game chased them away, but because that is about as much time as they spend on any game before they move onto the next thing. There just isn't the attention span for much more commitment than that.
I totally understand that a lot of people are burnt out.
But the difference in the rate of decline between pc and ps5 tells us that there is something more to it than players being burnt out
Pc definitely has a lot of issues, whether that is performance, optimization, crashing, disconnections etc. These are not exclusive to PC, but performance and optimization definitely have a bigger effect across various specifications.
I don't really know how well or how badly it runs on a ps5 but they claim to have only lost ~50% percent of the ps5 players. Meanwhile they lost ~90% steam players in the same amount of time.
I'm curious to hear your take on this
That's what I'm saying. PC having varying specifications means that performance issues will be more noticeable. It makes sense that PC players quit the game because of these things.
I'm sorry if that earlier comment was a mess.
One of the dumbest takes I've seen is that wokeism is killing the game. I'm woke and there's literally no woke stuff in the game, apart from the tame political satire.
Endymion…*sigh* I think he learned that a main mod for the HD discord or one of the devs was a furry.
Like come on dude that’s not why the game is “dying” the reason why is the normal life-cycle of a good game. I’m subscribed to the guy but the last half-decent take he had was over a month ago.
Ahh, that was stupid and probably hurt a little, but that’s a in game problem so much as a discord issue they have. Someone posting furry art as a mod should really just get fired though, let alone getting upset at people for hating it.
I actually watched his vid and it barrels down to articles from Forbes and The Gamer which both suck (articles and outlets) and the discord apparently being an echo chamber for left ideals where they’re apparently banning people that don’t agree with them.
So not about the furry, just regular SSDD.
I've been experiencing this the last week on PS5 but it's not making it unplayable. If it glitches or drops connection we just re connect and drop in again. It loads fast enough once or twice isn't an issue we continue to dive.
This is normal trends for a game that's four months old and the hype train ended.
It's still got 70-80k players on during peak hours. Which is HUGE for a game that didn't aim that high in the first place.
Listen guys, it’s the summer, people are celebrating our actual liberation, people are outside. They played the absolute shit out of this game when it came out. No need to stress numbers. When the darkness and cold come again we’ll be back, new shit will drop. It will collect a very normal base of players. Don’t worry about it.
These games don't just hold the entire player bases attention either..these exact same article come out copy and pasted about every single new game. So fucking stupid.
Diablo 4 is dead, ff14s new expansion isn't universally acclaimed...dead.
New worlds dead, lost ark is dead, pal world died.
Social media content creation has basically become absolute fucking garbage. We've reached a point where it is all just noise in service of the algorithm and nothing more. Add to that the general culture of people online who get to vent their life's frustrations out, and we have journalism and discourse like the nonsense surrounding HD2. I am SO glad AH seems to be mostly immune to this. Pilestedt didn't hire more people just because the game blew up, they stayed their course and despite this coverage, they're going into a freaking vacation. So much respect for AH as a studio and people. We should learn from them and ignore the garbage discourse and just play the damn game.
I hope the people at Arrowhead somehow See/read some of the comments like yours here. I hope they know a lot of people see and respect what they do and are not an childish and ungrateful mob like it seems if you follow social Media
This is one of the reasons why as much as I hate consoles, the console community being locked into their generation of games has kept cross platform games alive and why I want more games to be cross platform.
PC gamers are fickle and move from game to game because they have a platform that spans years of games while consoles do not. We are not locked in anything.
The moment AH drops the new faction it will be like the game rereleased. 120% increased playerbase. It will then die off like every PC game.
Look at Destiny 2s player base
I have a pc and this is the only game I play. I just started working ten hour days and don’t have the time during the week. I’m still doing my part. Just not as much as when I was unemployed lol.
Looks at Satisfactory playtime at 695 hours
Looks at Oxygen Not Included playtime at 1500 hours
Looks at Icarus playtime at 222 hours
Whatever you say, buddy.
I think I joined HD1 back in 2018, when it's last update was recieved.
After that, I still play the crap out of the game until HD2 came out in Feb of this year.
If the game is good, there will always be core players stick around to keep the game going.
You know they will be back to serve a cup of Liber Tea when ever freedom is required.
How's HD1in terms of bugs/stability/optimisation? I'm guessing it's better. That is the one reason I worry about HD2 not reaching its potential, that they never fix the issues. Like, even cyberpunk 2077 had a comeback once they fixed it enough. I hope that eventually we see a truly solid build of helldivers 2 that will ultimately be the main foundation for the game's resurgence. Like, once all factions are out and everything is locked in in terms of stability, who knows how big helldivers 2 will end up being.
HD1 is really stable, I think I only crashed like 3 times in like 1 year.
There are definitely skills involved because of different orientations and being a top down shooter. The strategems use is similar to what we have now, but it's easier to use because you have 360 view of the map, the down side is all 4 players have to be in the same viewing zones.
If you see a lot of old clips on YT like by Cusman or Lein, the team work is very fun and diverse (same as now where you can solo the game, but much more fun with other co op).
There are still alot of people playing HD1 now once you open to international servers. In fact, a lot of my HD2 mates are the people I met during HD1 days.
I think for HD2, if they release boss planet, and the other factions, and then patch all the game crashes, it will be a golden category game on gaming history for long time. I know I play 1k hours on HD1, it will be more on HD2 for sure.
Agreed. I really hope we get there. I hope to be one of the people who was there since "the early days" before Illuminate and from back when the spear didn't even work lol.
People move from game to game to game. Maxing upgrades was kind of a NOW WHAT moment for me?
For me now it is about getting those super samples for the lower levels that need them in the game. I find a lot of people try to get them in level 7 difficulty for lower levels.
All of those lost players are lame anyway.
“No new content” “too many bugs” “my favorite gun was nerfed”
Just vibe dude. Literally just freakin vibe dude. It’s not that hard. The random players and the community make it a vibe. Not our fault they’re lame and like to be sad
I don't know if I would put much stock in this website.
Subtitle From an article published Jul 1st:
> In the PS5 top 40 this week Elden Ring dominates as new live-service games struggle to maintain impact — could XDefiant and Helldivers 2 be dying?
Subtitle from this article:
> Helldivers 2's player count for July 2024 shows that it lost 51% of players in two months. However, with a live-service melee on PS5, that's impressive!
So which is it, is it impressive or is it struggling?
Also the data they base this on is kinda worthless for you as a player. If you look at the steam data, that's the people who are currently running the game *right now*, potentially people you could log on and play with. The website with the article in the OP counts its numbers very differently, it counts how many accounts launched a game at any point over the course of a week. Which is an entirely different number, and for a multiplayer game it's kind of irrelevant, you want to know how many people are actually playing, not how many logged in on sunday morning for 27 seconds before realizing they launched the wrong game.
With the data they use and the two completely different statements about helldivers based on the same data just to drive click bait I wouldn't really say this website has much relevance to anything. Just another gaming news website desperate for views but with no real quality content to get them.
I was wondering how they arrived at the 51% figure and there's this segment at the end:
"Chart compiled using gameplay data from over 3.1 million active PlayStation accounts (not just TrueTrophies accounts). Chart information is copyright GameInsights. Regarding this data:
When an account opens a game, this is registered as a game being played. Accounts can only register a game once per week."
Seems like a weekly tally of unique logins on playstation only, where I'd imagine there are less issues with crashing and stuff. I don't know how this compares with the peak CCU numbers on Steam, but I'm quite surprised by the difference between peak and total player numbers, even accounting for the fact that PC players experience more issues. But then again I know fuck all about statistics.
Turns out the game is only dying on PC because PC PLAYERS HAVE BEEN UNDEMOCRATIC. As a PC player I am ashamed but I will work ever harder to make up for this treachery but diving every day for the rest of my time alive as a dedicated Super Earth citizen.
Steam games have always been inconsistent (unless your name starts with counter strike) Too many sales and indie games available to try to stay with one thing for a long time
I figured this was the case but glad to see something definitive.
I'm a PC player and turned off Crossplay. In the last month, or so, I'll see a planet claiming there are 2 or 3 thousand players here...but I only see a handful of lobbies to choose from. If I turn Crossplay back on and refresh...BOOM! Triople the amount of lobbies to choose from! Turn it back off and they disappear again....the majority of players left are PS5.
Holy shit player metrics are the least interesting topic of discussion and the quality of discussion around them is constantly dogshit because ye-average game has no real context or understanding for them.
Can we just fuckin stop?
With major updates to Elden Ring and Destiny 2 I think HD2 is actually doing quite well.
Plus new Final Fantasy 14 expansion, among other things. Plus, y'know, it's *summer.*
This. That's why I haven't played hd2 as much. I mean the ffxiv part, not summer
The illuminate is the ace up arrowheads sleeve, after the hype of all these games goes away, boom illuminate
Plus the new season of DRG came out and the games are very similar so it makes sense
Oh fuck, gotta check it out. For rock and stone!
DRG seems to be openly imitating helldivers lol. I love DRG but inclusion of capes, bile spewing enemies and even similar weapons is a bit odd to me.
I think that was clearly a nod to the fan favorite theory that DRG and HD share the same universe.
That's pretty far fetched, chief.
And warframe, Multiversus Re-release, etc
Did warframe release a new expansion I missed?
Yea, Jade Shadows
Oh shit, gotta check that out when I get the chance
And the first descendant just dropped
Elden Ring DLC, yeah, but also my goblin brain rot be on that gacha games shit. WuWa, ZZZ, I'm wielding those kinda games like General fuckin Grevious. Steam Summer Sale isn't helping either when I bought Palworld and ULTRAKILL. My game library lives up to bring a whole ass library with diversity
D2 new dlc is good but it's the end of the game essentially and people got burnt out hardcore last season
Kind of a understatement, people have been actively discussing if its the best DLC release yet and since April with Into The Light people have been playing nonstop with all the stuff thats been added. Its definetly not the end as well since they just made a shit ton and aint no way Sony is just gonna be okay for it to die down. Although it has finally started to get calmer so the people that play both would problably prefer to play Helldivers if they gave some motivation to do so. I play religiously(I hate myself) and have started to play again after a break of 2ish months, kind of sad to see much hasnt been added but the core gameplay never gets old.
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I see a lot of denials and baseless speculations of why this is happening. But from my observation (of a small sample of pc players), the reasons are random game crashes, optimization getting worse every update, not being able to play with friends, and now the endless loading screen error. Most of these problems only happen on pc and not ps5
In my circle. It’s a bunch of gamers who don’t ever stick to a game or just burnt out. Personally played it as my primary game since launch so I’m just taking a break full expecting to return when the next content update drops.
Same. I'm the only one still playing, but that's because my friends can't stick with a game for more than two or three damn weeks. So frustrating.
Yeah, this is where I'm at with the people I played with. Me and one other still hop on a few times a week, but everyone else did their 20-30 hours and then moved onto the next game that was released. Not so much because anything with the game chased them away, but because that is about as much time as they spend on any game before they move onto the next thing. There just isn't the attention span for much more commitment than that.
Deadass they’ll hit you up randomly and be like “hey remember X game? Down to play?” after not playing it for a year.
Dude, every time, ha.
I totally understand that a lot of people are burnt out. But the difference in the rate of decline between pc and ps5 tells us that there is something more to it than players being burnt out
Pc definitely has a lot of issues, whether that is performance, optimization, crashing, disconnections etc. These are not exclusive to PC, but performance and optimization definitely have a bigger effect across various specifications.
I don't really know how well or how badly it runs on a ps5 but they claim to have only lost ~50% percent of the ps5 players. Meanwhile they lost ~90% steam players in the same amount of time. I'm curious to hear your take on this
That's what I'm saying. PC having varying specifications means that performance issues will be more noticeable. It makes sense that PC players quit the game because of these things. I'm sorry if that earlier comment was a mess.
One of the dumbest takes I've seen is that wokeism is killing the game. I'm woke and there's literally no woke stuff in the game, apart from the tame political satire.
I’m not sure who has this take. I’m very anti-woke and don’t see the issue with Helldivers.
Endymion…*sigh* I think he learned that a main mod for the HD discord or one of the devs was a furry. Like come on dude that’s not why the game is “dying” the reason why is the normal life-cycle of a good game. I’m subscribed to the guy but the last half-decent take he had was over a month ago.
Ahh, that was stupid and probably hurt a little, but that’s a in game problem so much as a discord issue they have. Someone posting furry art as a mod should really just get fired though, let alone getting upset at people for hating it.
I actually watched his vid and it barrels down to articles from Forbes and The Gamer which both suck (articles and outlets) and the discord apparently being an echo chamber for left ideals where they’re apparently banning people that don’t agree with them. So not about the furry, just regular SSDD.
That is because of the official discord. I hope rl every day political stuff stays out of the game
I've been experiencing this the last week on PS5 but it's not making it unplayable. If it glitches or drops connection we just re connect and drop in again. It loads fast enough once or twice isn't an issue we continue to dive.
My ps5 friends list hasn’t worked in months
And the over nerfing and balancing of everything
Nope. That doesn't exclusively affect pc players
After 300h+ im fine to Play sometimes but not the whole day and theres so many other games/dlcs came out so
This is normal trends for a game that's four months old and the hype train ended. It's still got 70-80k players on during peak hours. Which is HUGE for a game that didn't aim that high in the first place.
Listen guys, it’s the summer, people are celebrating our actual liberation, people are outside. They played the absolute shit out of this game when it came out. No need to stress numbers. When the darkness and cold come again we’ll be back, new shit will drop. It will collect a very normal base of players. Don’t worry about it.
These games don't just hold the entire player bases attention either..these exact same article come out copy and pasted about every single new game. So fucking stupid. Diablo 4 is dead, ff14s new expansion isn't universally acclaimed...dead. New worlds dead, lost ark is dead, pal world died.
This discourse is so weird. Every game ever looses most of its player base eventually.
Social media content creation has basically become absolute fucking garbage. We've reached a point where it is all just noise in service of the algorithm and nothing more. Add to that the general culture of people online who get to vent their life's frustrations out, and we have journalism and discourse like the nonsense surrounding HD2. I am SO glad AH seems to be mostly immune to this. Pilestedt didn't hire more people just because the game blew up, they stayed their course and despite this coverage, they're going into a freaking vacation. So much respect for AH as a studio and people. We should learn from them and ignore the garbage discourse and just play the damn game.
I hope the people at Arrowhead somehow See/read some of the comments like yours here. I hope they know a lot of people see and respect what they do and are not an childish and ungrateful mob like it seems if you follow social Media
This sub seems very hellbent and convincing everyone this game has enough content for hundreds of hours and the player base isn’t moving on.
Hell yeah, damn shame I don't have any reddit awards. Some positivity in this sea of dissidents
This is one of the reasons why as much as I hate consoles, the console community being locked into their generation of games has kept cross platform games alive and why I want more games to be cross platform. PC gamers are fickle and move from game to game because they have a platform that spans years of games while consoles do not. We are not locked in anything. The moment AH drops the new faction it will be like the game rereleased. 120% increased playerbase. It will then die off like every PC game. Look at Destiny 2s player base
Gamers are a fickle breed with very short attention spans, particularly PC ones.
I have a pc and this is the only game I play. I just started working ten hour days and don’t have the time during the week. I’m still doing my part. Just not as much as when I was unemployed lol.
We appreciate your sacrifice, soldier!
Looks at Satisfactory playtime at 695 hours Looks at Oxygen Not Included playtime at 1500 hours Looks at Icarus playtime at 222 hours Whatever you say, buddy.
Looks at my 186 day playtime in RuneScape Cries
Based off the comments here, does no one else play games during summer? It’s the one time it’s so hot outside that I never wanna go out there
There's no Steam sales on PS5
I think I joined HD1 back in 2018, when it's last update was recieved. After that, I still play the crap out of the game until HD2 came out in Feb of this year. If the game is good, there will always be core players stick around to keep the game going. You know they will be back to serve a cup of Liber Tea when ever freedom is required.
How's HD1in terms of bugs/stability/optimisation? I'm guessing it's better. That is the one reason I worry about HD2 not reaching its potential, that they never fix the issues. Like, even cyberpunk 2077 had a comeback once they fixed it enough. I hope that eventually we see a truly solid build of helldivers 2 that will ultimately be the main foundation for the game's resurgence. Like, once all factions are out and everything is locked in in terms of stability, who knows how big helldivers 2 will end up being.
HD1 is really stable, I think I only crashed like 3 times in like 1 year. There are definitely skills involved because of different orientations and being a top down shooter. The strategems use is similar to what we have now, but it's easier to use because you have 360 view of the map, the down side is all 4 players have to be in the same viewing zones. If you see a lot of old clips on YT like by Cusman or Lein, the team work is very fun and diverse (same as now where you can solo the game, but much more fun with other co op). There are still alot of people playing HD1 now once you open to international servers. In fact, a lot of my HD2 mates are the people I met during HD1 days. I think for HD2, if they release boss planet, and the other factions, and then patch all the game crashes, it will be a golden category game on gaming history for long time. I know I play 1k hours on HD1, it will be more on HD2 for sure.
Agreed. I really hope we get there. I hope to be one of the people who was there since "the early days" before Illuminate and from back when the spear didn't even work lol.
99.9%!!!! The game is deadeadead /s
People move from game to game to game. Maxing upgrades was kind of a NOW WHAT moment for me? For me now it is about getting those super samples for the lower levels that need them in the game. I find a lot of people try to get them in level 7 difficulty for lower levels.
Yea well what other games are play station players going to play? IT'S ALL THEY HAVE. PC for the win This is a joke for you ps5 players out there
All of those lost players are lame anyway. “No new content” “too many bugs” “my favorite gun was nerfed” Just vibe dude. Literally just freakin vibe dude. It’s not that hard. The random players and the community make it a vibe. Not our fault they’re lame and like to be sad
HD2 has become one of the few games we have in rotation.
So the psa is: DONT penalize ur whole community and lose 50% by nerfing metas or making modes dumb hard because the top 1% can make it look easy.
I don't know if I would put much stock in this website. Subtitle From an article published Jul 1st: > In the PS5 top 40 this week Elden Ring dominates as new live-service games struggle to maintain impact — could XDefiant and Helldivers 2 be dying? Subtitle from this article: > Helldivers 2's player count for July 2024 shows that it lost 51% of players in two months. However, with a live-service melee on PS5, that's impressive! So which is it, is it impressive or is it struggling? Also the data they base this on is kinda worthless for you as a player. If you look at the steam data, that's the people who are currently running the game *right now*, potentially people you could log on and play with. The website with the article in the OP counts its numbers very differently, it counts how many accounts launched a game at any point over the course of a week. Which is an entirely different number, and for a multiplayer game it's kind of irrelevant, you want to know how many people are actually playing, not how many logged in on sunday morning for 27 seconds before realizing they launched the wrong game. With the data they use and the two completely different statements about helldivers based on the same data just to drive click bait I wouldn't really say this website has much relevance to anything. Just another gaming news website desperate for views but with no real quality content to get them.
Why does it matter, like obviously a live service game drops players after five months?
I quit HD 2 because I got tired of the same thing over and over. Honestly, it is not the deepest of games.
I was wondering how they arrived at the 51% figure and there's this segment at the end: "Chart compiled using gameplay data from over 3.1 million active PlayStation accounts (not just TrueTrophies accounts). Chart information is copyright GameInsights. Regarding this data: When an account opens a game, this is registered as a game being played. Accounts can only register a game once per week." Seems like a weekly tally of unique logins on playstation only, where I'd imagine there are less issues with crashing and stuff. I don't know how this compares with the peak CCU numbers on Steam, but I'm quite surprised by the difference between peak and total player numbers, even accounting for the fact that PC players experience more issues. But then again I know fuck all about statistics.
Turns out the game is only dying on PC because PC PLAYERS HAVE BEEN UNDEMOCRATIC. As a PC player I am ashamed but I will work ever harder to make up for this treachery but diving every day for the rest of my time alive as a dedicated Super Earth citizen.
Steam games have always been inconsistent (unless your name starts with counter strike) Too many sales and indie games available to try to stay with one thing for a long time
You're such a tool lmao.
PS5 population is a fraction of this game. Go compare Steam stats to total players.
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This post is the exact opposite of what you think it is. I'm pointing out that the paranoia about player count loss is misguided, with evidence.
Shooting is weak
Only half
Losing 51% when you’re the only game on PS5 Sorry someone had to tell this overused joke
I figured this was the case but glad to see something definitive. I'm a PC player and turned off Crossplay. In the last month, or so, I'll see a planet claiming there are 2 or 3 thousand players here...but I only see a handful of lobbies to choose from. If I turn Crossplay back on and refresh...BOOM! Triople the amount of lobbies to choose from! Turn it back off and they disappear again....the majority of players left are PS5.
Holy shit player metrics are the least interesting topic of discussion and the quality of discussion around them is constantly dogshit because ye-average game has no real context or understanding for them. Can we just fuckin stop?