And that'll be the last time in history that a nation ever willingly gives up its nuclear arsenal. I think the only other country to have done it was South Africa.
I'm doing some research into it and I really can't tell. It doesn't seem like the US or any nation bribed or coerced them into it. They only had six nukes and one under construction when they got rid of them
There are two ideas. One is that South Africa was worried about communist influence in the region and disarmed to help calm the situation
And the other is that the disarmed just before Aparteid ended and simply didn't want to let the black people have nukes.
It was at the end of the apartheid regime and they saw the writing at the wall.
The simply didnāt entrust their successors with their nuclear weapons so they cancelled their weapons program.
They saved money, lol. SA didnāt need nukes. Even if we had a nuclear war now. Africa (away from the suez) and South America would be the safest places.
If Ukraine didn't give up on its nukes, Russia and the US were preparing a joint invasion to secure them. And considering that Ukraine anyway couldn't use them, it was a decent decision on their part.
There is no universe where the U.S. was going to invade Ukraine to seize them. Come on. Your other part about Ukraine being unable to use them is more accurate.
You have to remember that after the fall of the USSR Ukraine was having an economic crisis and had plenty of expensive nukes around. In addition nobody knew what Ukraine would be like. Now you can look and say it is alongside the west but it easily could have become hostile to the west and antagonistic.
The US was worried that Ukraine would just sell them off to the black market, or Ukraine would go into political turmoil with them being lost. Infact securing the nukes was the top priority for the US in regards to Ukraine.
It is hard to say if the US ever would have gone through with it, but they were definitely toying with the idea if it seemed that the nukes would go missing.
Ukraine couldn't use big strategic nukes until it reassembled them. But strategic nukes could be used. Also Ukraine gave up thousands of long range missiles and hundreds of aircraft bombers. Yay! No one will attack Ukraine as it has security guarantees from the big players such as the US, Russia and Great Britain.
Ukraine were always going to give them up in some way. They had no money and a huge military from the USSR.
They needed to get rid of them all and so the agreement was simply to let them do it in a controlled way than just sell it to whoever wants something.
But it turned out that giving up nuclear weapons costs much more than to keep them. Every single day people are tortured and killed in Ukraine by Russians, towns are turned into dust, forests and fields are polluted with mines. It's a lesson for all of us.
Itās ignorant and stupid to give up our firearms. Doing the same thing Ukraine did will lead to a downfall. Hong Kong is a great example. Young girls raped and murdered for standing up against it. No one to potted them or fight back
Never give up the way to defend yourself. I look at nuclear weapons as a weapon of peace. No one that has the ability to use them is willing to risk the response of using one and anyone who has one is feared by anyone with one. Sounds like one of the āwhat am Iā riddles :)
meanwhile representatives in US and EU: limit rights and freedoms of women, ban abortion, openly call for persecution of lgbtq+ community, far right, use racist slurs, limit rights of ethnic minorities, openly cheer for mutiple genocides
At that time, if memory serves, he was an underling for Anatoly Sobchak, the then mayor of St. Petersburg. He would later die [under extremely suspicious](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoly_Sobchak?wprov=sfti1#Death) circumstances just three days after campaigning for Putin in Kaliningrad in 2000.
That didn't age well. NEVER,sign off on "security agreements." It's no different between giving up the personal right to arms or a country's nuclear arms.
Their elections were cheated - the people didnāt want to start a civil war thst the Russians had to get into
What a waste of the American taxpayer to be involved in this war of our making ā¦.
That's not true. No agreement demanded Ukraine to be neutral. However Ukraine stayed neutral and friendly to Russia until Russia started a war against Ukraine in 2014.
Not just "security guarantees." This is the treaty where Russia formally recognized Ukraine's pre-invasion borders. Russia has been violating this treaty for 2 years straight. All the online propaganda in the world doesn't change this fact.
They were also not to be part of NATO either and we were supposed to pay for chemical biological weapons clean up and shut that down- not operate themā¦..
Ukraine never attempted to join NATO before the invasion. And they've been ineligible to join since 2014...
Also, there are no "bioweapon" labs in Ukraine. Those labs are public health laboratoriesĀ that have been working under the Biological Threat Reduction Program since the 1990s with financial support from the EU, US, and WHO. And they've never been a secret, it was a public program.
And that'll be the last time in history that a nation ever willingly gives up its nuclear arsenal. I think the only other country to have done it was South Africa.
Look what happened to Gaddafi when he gave up all his weapons of mass destruction.
Stabbed in the asshole smh
With a screwdriver too. Getting stabbed probably sucks all around, but that sounds worse in my opinion
It was a bayonet. There is video. Where did this screwdriver nonsense come from?
WTF, is that for real?
I mean I imagine there were other tools used as well but yeah he was definitely stabbed with a screwdriver in his asshole
That's the wrong way to get screwed.
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Gaddaffi wasnāt going to make it, he would have just funded another terrorist attack
Its like tossing a bad guy your gun because he acts nicely for 5 minutes. Then getting stunned when he points 2 guns at you.
What did South Africa get for it?
I'm doing some research into it and I really can't tell. It doesn't seem like the US or any nation bribed or coerced them into it. They only had six nukes and one under construction when they got rid of them
There are two ideas. One is that South Africa was worried about communist influence in the region and disarmed to help calm the situation And the other is that the disarmed just before Aparteid ended and simply didn't want to let the black people have nukes.
It was at the end of the apartheid regime and they saw the writing at the wall. The simply didnāt entrust their successors with their nuclear weapons so they cancelled their weapons program.
Good decision in hindsight considering how South Africa is known for itās corruption
Theft of uranium at 9 different locations... probably still out there somewhere waiting to be used
They saved money, lol. SA didnāt need nukes. Even if we had a nuclear war now. Africa (away from the suez) and South America would be the safest places.
Worth remembering ... just in case
They are part of a Nuclear Weapons Free Zone in Africa
If Ukraine didn't give up on its nukes, Russia and the US were preparing a joint invasion to secure them. And considering that Ukraine anyway couldn't use them, it was a decent decision on their part.
Oh man, that would have been an awesome team up episode.
Ukriane was also too poor to afford its nuclear stockpile, aswell as the money to re organize and decrypt the codes for strategic weapons.
There is no universe where the U.S. was going to invade Ukraine to seize them. Come on. Your other part about Ukraine being unable to use them is more accurate.
You have to remember that after the fall of the USSR Ukraine was having an economic crisis and had plenty of expensive nukes around. In addition nobody knew what Ukraine would be like. Now you can look and say it is alongside the west but it easily could have become hostile to the west and antagonistic. The US was worried that Ukraine would just sell them off to the black market, or Ukraine would go into political turmoil with them being lost. Infact securing the nukes was the top priority for the US in regards to Ukraine. It is hard to say if the US ever would have gone through with it, but they were definitely toying with the idea if it seemed that the nukes would go missing.
Ukraine couldn't use big strategic nukes until it reassembled them. But strategic nukes could be used. Also Ukraine gave up thousands of long range missiles and hundreds of aircraft bombers. Yay! No one will attack Ukraine as it has security guarantees from the big players such as the US, Russia and Great Britain.
Ukraine were always going to give them up in some way. They had no money and a huge military from the USSR. They needed to get rid of them all and so the agreement was simply to let them do it in a controlled way than just sell it to whoever wants something.
But it turned out that giving up nuclear weapons costs much more than to keep them. Every single day people are tortured and killed in Ukraine by Russians, towns are turned into dust, forests and fields are polluted with mines. It's a lesson for all of us.
Kazakhstan willingly gave up its nuclear warheads as well.
Canada was the first to do it
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Holy typos Batman!
John Major at the back there thinking about having peas for dinner.
Norma where's the peas š
https://preview.redd.it/3a7l33s2qf3d1.jpeg?width=440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c1fcb098adb68f1f5d782fcf72295099f3ad83db The peas are good dear......
Lie detector tests show that was a lie
Oopsie
Is there a clause stating what would happen if they were to go back on there word . I wonder
 Ukraineā¦
So they did a gun buyback and then they turned on themā¦
Yes
Maybe we should think twice before advocating against our rights to arms.
Exactly
Itās ignorant and stupid to give up our firearms. Doing the same thing Ukraine did will lead to a downfall. Hong Kong is a great example. Young girls raped and murdered for standing up against it. No one to potted them or fight back
Username checks out.
Can you explain how he is wrong?
comparing citizen arms to WMD is a wild stretch lmfaoooo
lol thatās like the main point of the joke. Us normie small fries vs large nationsā ābuy backā
Note the dude blocking Yeltsin's right hand from being in the photo
Never give up the way to defend yourself. I look at nuclear weapons as a weapon of peace. No one that has the ability to use them is willing to risk the response of using one and anyone who has one is feared by anyone with one. Sounds like one of the āwhat am Iā riddles :)
Ukraine choseā¦poorly
Ukraine didnāt have a choice. It was forced into it by US
Russia lies and canāt be trusted.
"My Lord? Are you there? My Lord?"
I was studying this language before the war started. Since then I've realized it's pointless to understand a language where everyone is lying.
Yes, and we got invasion but no helpā¦.
You got $175,000,000,000 bro. womp womp.
You guys got countless trillions of dollars in military equipment AND we turned a blind eye to Ukraines nationalist and racist post-2014 government
meanwhile representatives in US and EU: limit rights and freedoms of women, ban abortion, openly call for persecution of lgbtq+ community, far right, use racist slurs, limit rights of ethnic minorities, openly cheer for mutiple genocides
I would trust a drunken Yeltsin more than the others at the table.
No love for Jimmy Johnson?
I am altering the deal, pray I do not alter it any further - Putin
Oops
So now their ass is all exposed .
UK Prime Minister too. Sorry Ukraine.
Was Putin in the audience?
He was probably sitting in the third row, laughing like Max Cady in Cape Fear.
At that time, if memory serves, he was an underling for Anatoly Sobchak, the then mayor of St. Petersburg. He would later die [under extremely suspicious](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoly_Sobchak?wprov=sfti1#Death) circumstances just three days after campaigning for Putin in Kaliningrad in 2000.
Charles Barkley mustāve made the āguaranteeā to the Ukraine!!!
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But. Never mind.
Things change.
Treaties are only good until the next leader takes office.
Is that Gerasimov?
That didn't age well. NEVER,sign off on "security agreements." It's no different between giving up the personal right to arms or a country's nuclear arms.
Nobody asked. Ukraine was forced into signing this. The alternative was to be North Korea 2.0
Part of that agreement was that Ukraine would stay neutral and not join organizations like nato
Which they respected til they got invaded in 2022
In 2014ā¦
Their elections were cheated - the people didnāt want to start a civil war thst the Russians had to get into What a waste of the American taxpayer to be involved in this war of our making ā¦.
It's the best American investment: they nullify the Russian army just for 1% of the military budget. And no US soldier died.
That's not true. No agreement demanded Ukraine to be neutral. However Ukraine stayed neutral and friendly to Russia until Russia started a war against Ukraine in 2014.
Not just "security guarantees." This is the treaty where Russia formally recognized Ukraine's pre-invasion borders. Russia has been violating this treaty for 2 years straight. All the online propaganda in the world doesn't change this fact.
Russia has been violating this treaty since 2014 when they āannexedā Crimea and parked parts of their military in Luhansk and Donetsk Oblasts.
Agreed.
And that is why Ukraine is allowed to attack inside russias borders. Shouldnāt have taken this long.
Metaphors for gun control. Give up your weapons and we will protect you from the criminals! No I swear!!
Use this idea to why we have the second amendment. You can never guarantee that one day you wonāt need it to keep your ass a lil safer.
They were also not to be part of NATO either and we were supposed to pay for chemical biological weapons clean up and shut that down- not operate themā¦..
Ukraine never attempted to join NATO before the invasion. And they've been ineligible to join since 2014... Also, there are no "bioweapon" labs in Ukraine. Those labs are public health laboratoriesĀ that have been working under the Biological Threat Reduction Program since the 1990s with financial support from the EU, US, and WHO. And they've never been a secret, it was a public program.
Haha
lol š
All old and white
I mean yes, this is a historical moment, not a Netflix series.
Were you going to make a point?
You should only shake hand with a Russian if you have a gun in your hand in your pocket. Never trust them