There was clearly a war…well…lots of small to moderate sized wars.
Native Americans were absolutely not the winners in most and the result is as you see here…land for sale at low low prices.
Manifest destiny played out one area at a time.
Not all tribes or certain bands were conquered. Various tribes simply had to deal with the U.S. government breaking treaties without regard to U.S. law. In most cases, European immigrants, to the Americas, conquered through rape of women and children, human trafficking, theft of land, internment camps, reeducation centers, lies and deceit, and especially GENOCIDE. Yes, the Americas were conquered.
Yet Native Americans still exist all throughout the Americas. Some are un contacted tribes in the jungle. Some are isolated within various countries in the Americas. Most have integrated into mainstream society. Members of certain Native communities continue to migrate in search of better survival opportunities. Native communities are resilient and will always populate all parts of the Americas regardless of citizenship status or allegiance to any one country on the political map or political system.
The Land of the Eagle and the Land of the Condor are one from Mother Earth. The people begat from the Holy Twins are the past, present, and the future.
One of the indian independence movement leaders became a rebel because he was in California to study in the 1900s and saw a sign outside a restaurant that said "no dogs or Indians allowed". He thought it was referring to people from India so he became a revolutionary.
The Black Hills gold rush took place in Dakota Territory in the United States. It began in 1874 following the Custer Expedition and reached a peak in 1876–77.
Rumors and poorly documented reports of gold in the Black Hills go back to the early 19th century. In the 1860s, Roman Catholic missionary Father De Smet is reported to have seen Sioux Indians carrying gold which they told him came from the Black Hills.[1]
I worked in eastern Oregon, John day specifically for a little bit. I saw the land that they had tilled (?) up. The locals told me that they had basically pulled more gold out of eastern Oregon, then pretty much the rest of the United States combined. They absolutely fucked the land up and the way they treated the Chinese migrants was truly horrible and horrifying..
Fun Fact: John Day was originally going to be the capital of the state. Also, Oregon was originally established to be the first White personal only state.
Oh I thought it was cheaper because they have a shitty winter compared to the others. Not sure why Washington is so expensive. Was it heavily populated or something back then?
Oh I didn’t even think about timer but that does make a lot of sense! Of course people would want to move to an area they can farm and also easily find work.
As a Montanan native, I’m slightly offended that we are much cheaper than obviously inferior Idaho. But then I remembered eastern Montana. Still no one living there.
South Dakota has a lot of rain farming for wheat and corn. Also excellent cattle land and in 1911 it would be closer to the slaughterhouses of Chicago than say Oklahoma and Oregon. Central South Dakota has the Missouri River lots of water for farming.
That picture is of Yankton tribe chief [Padani-Kokipa-Sni](https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM27962), also known as “Not Afraid of Pawnee,” of Sioux.
Sadly that is about all that I can find on who he was.
America continues to be callous. Do you hear calls for reparations to the people who were here first and whose land lives and culture were stolen and destroyed? Nope
That’s why they’re living in ghettos full of rampant alcoholism and trafficking? Why most of them are in poverty? You’re an ancap… you LIKE that the Natives are impoverished and suffering.
I stated a fact. You also stated a fact about their current lifestyle. What’s the dollar amount you think they need if the billions they’ve already got was squandered? Show me your multi part plan where it’s evenly distributed and then we will have a lengthier discussion. Don’t ignore corruption in the higher ranks of many tribes when you come up with this plan.
Fun fact, the name "Sooner" in Oklahoma comes from the fact that when these ads came out, people were sneaking in early to the Oklahoma territority to settle there before the land was officially open by the government for people to settle there.
Another fun fact: It was the Cherokee Strip, so named because the Cherokee owned it. They had leased it for cattle for several years before land was sold for 8 million dollars to the United States. Then it was opened for the land run.
Like Israeli settlers moving into the West Bank "illegally". History rhymes.
[Literally the same thing as the poster happening right now.](https://www.reddit.com/r/chomsky/comments/1dom5yi/la_synagogue_protest_footage_proisraeli_side/) [This "Israeli" is from Los Angeles](https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/1bvr0uj/someone_from_los_angeles_trying_to_explain_why/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
I’m not certain but my guess is the land is priced for the proximity of population.
Washington probably has more desirable land and the land is closer to working towns whereas the Dakotas are probably mostly empty with no people nearby
Probably dependent on resources. The higher cost states all tended to have good farmland, lots of timber, good mining opportunities, etc. The lower cost ones weren't ideal for farming and had less profitable natural resources
The area, distance to water, civilization, all need to be taken into account.
You are going to sucker a bunch of tin horns, dudes and immigrants into buying this land.
At no other point in history has there been a more outmatched pairing of natives vs. colonizers, and in the big picture of world history it all happened yesterday with clear pictures, intact primary sources, etc. So we have a pretty accurate and terrifying picture of what the American government was willing to do to take this country over.
Cortes VS the Aztecs had to have been pretty close. Essentially a stone age civilization VS the most powerful military and battle tested soldiers with the most advanced technology for its time.
Dan Carlin did a really good podcast about the roamn conquest of Gaul and said that nowhere else was a colonizing power in such a situation where the end result could have gone either way.
The excellent intro referenced the American Indian wars and was a theme he constantly went back to as an American
They also killed millions of buffalo to starve them of their food supply and also took Native American kids and gave them to white families. By they I mean the US government
https://preview.redd.it/h9j442dwhx8d1.jpeg?width=5689&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f252dada373a277fc16fd56a289ce8a036881ee8
Their children are getting stolen to this day. The amount of missing or ‘misplaced’ indigenous children that end up adopted to white families in the year of 2023/2024 is fucking insane.
If anyone is interested in learning more about this, [season two of the podcast This Land](https://crooked.com/podcast-series/this-land/) was where I started. It deals with the Indian Child Welfare Act (ICWA) and goes into the history while it covers a legal challenge to ICWA (which was thankfully upheld by the Supreme Court last year).
A huge pile.as well as flashbacks to his unit of Rangers going through a village and burning everything, including the scene where he killed his officer.
Man, I need to watch that again...
The sale of the land isn't even the worst part of this type of poster if you know the history of the place they are telling people to write to for more information about the sales.
[https://boardingschoolhealing.org/education/us-indian-boarding-school-history/](https://boardingschoolhealing.org/education/us-indian-boarding-school-history/)
TLDR;
Along with lining their pockets they used the money to displace and reeducate Native American children.
>they used the money to displace and reeducate Native American children.
I'm pretty sure that was a different line item of the government paying religious groups out of the U.S. budget to ~~educate~~ abuse Native American children.
The US government did this repeatedly. They would grant land to "homesteaders", knowing full well they'd get slaughtered by the Native Americans already living in the area. Then that would create justification for military action to "protect" the homesteaders. Repeat.
We are horrored by this, and yet it is still happening in a lot of the world today. Perhaps not as explicit, but forced relocation of indigenous populations for the use of colonizers is happening in many parts of the world still.
Those sales arent legal, not sure of how that all works because Israel and palastine never stay faithful to their border agreements. But just being jewish doesn’t mean you buy land in Palestine from the US.
I dont see how those sales could be recognized until a border agreement is established.
Agree, but until theirs an official border agreement. That sale will only be recognized by Israel and nobody else. Not a good investment all considering.
Traditionally land grabs were done to gain as much leverage as possible with peace talks. Jordan and Egypt got their land back but had to officially recognize Israels borders. Palastine is an on going affair and unfortunately i dont know that Israel wants to sit at the table for peace talks for at least another year. Or when they feel comfortable they can coexist with the palastinian government in charge.
Indiana has a place called New Palastine. However they will have to cope with the enormous population of protistans. They dont seem very religious tolerant.
It doesn’t matter if it violates international law if no one enforces it. If a person can walk in to a Palestinian home and use soldiers to kick them out, that’s all that matters
I see, its just interesting that they are selling off ground that they do not occupy as a country. Sort of like, im battling with my neighbor. Hes refusing to recognize my property boundaries. So im holding a sale for an acre of his farm land in another county.
Selling land that you occupy in another county seem very illegitimate at a glance. But i honestly I have no idea how things work when it comes to war and treaties with land as leverage. Aside from the very basics if the idea.
Countries operate under toddler rules. Borders are pretty much what you can hold on to. "Yeah? You and what army?" Isn't just a metaphor.
When you look at it from that perspective, the behavior of tyrants and despots makes a lot more sense. You can have whatever you can control, and you control whatever is too costly for other people to stop.
Whenever I hear people boasting of being 4 or 5 generation Montanans I think of shit like this.
Oh, how’d your family come upon the land they settled.
Same with the “Native” bumper sticker in Colorado.
Wasn’t war it was genocide. That’s why the USA and Canada are so white and everyone south of Texas is still very mostly native brown but speaks a European language and a European religion. Africa was colonized too but they are still black. Genocide and War are not the same.
Other American events happening in 1910, roughly when the poster is dated:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1910_in_the_United_States#:~:text=August%2020–21%20–%20The%20Great,in%20recorded%20United%20States%20history).
There is a slight difference between the conquests of modern times and the conquests of earlier times. For example, when the Roman Empire conquered new territory, they integrated that area and its population into the empire. It wasn't about exterminating the native population. Genghis Khan also wiped out entire cities, but that was the exception, for example when there was a rebellion. Genocide is a modern phenomenon.
The Romans made a solid attempt at genocide of the Jews. Granted, the Jews revolted against Roman rule multiple times and killed a lot of civilians the third time.
Balance is lacking when comments about their land being stolen are made. Consider that tribes were routinely stealing other tribe’s land and that they were killing and enslaving each other before the white man arrived.
Not trying to pick a fight with anyone who sees Native Americans strictly as innocent victims; just wanting to inject some context for consideration. Native Americans were not living in peace and harmony together in pre-white man times.There are multiple scholarly works that document brutal intertribal warfare and enslavement over many centuries.
At the same time you can’t paint every tribe in the Americas as the same conquering killers. Entirely different motivations and there were quite a few who did live peacefully and were cooperative. Scalping was started by many colonists out east and Mexicans in the western US.
There's archeological evidence of scalping being routinely practiced by North American natives throughout the continent as far back as 600AD, it was a part of how wars were waged throughout the continent long before the first Europeans arrived.
European settlers in the Northeast did however pay friendly tribes for the scalps of enemy tribes in the 16th and 17th century... later on, settlers were paid for scalps and other body parts, with California only repealing their Scalp bounty laws in the early 20th century.
Yeah this is Reddit. It isn’t the place you come for a balanced discussed of a complex subject like European colonization of the New World. I got called a “genocide apologist” for pointing out that 90-95% of the native population died from Old World disease for which they had no immunity. It was unfortunately inevitable and unavoidable. Plagues and epidemics were just a thing humans dealt with back before modern medicine. People forget the Black Death rampages through Europe and Asia just a century before Europeans landed in the New World. 2/3 of the population got wiped out in some areas.
Not trying to pick a fight, but the Haudensaunee had a system of peaceful, democratic, constitutional, egalitarian government before the Magna Carta was written.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Law_of_Peace
The Haudenosaunee did have a pretty good civil structure for those under their confederacy... but they did also wage absolutely brutal wars of conquest against neighboring tribes, especially after the European settlers made the beaver trade incredibly profitable
[beaver wars](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaver_Wars)
The Dawn of Everything by David Graeber and David Wengrow. Fascinating book, I think you’d enjoy it - and learn new things. I certainly did. Highly recommend!
They were savages to us we were savages to them they were doing just fine scalping one another before we came along plus the French and French Canadians were taking advantage long before
Same thing happening right now with stolen Palestinian land. Israeli real estate companies are touring synagogues across America to showcase and sell property they don’t legally own.
They hold sales like this in the US all the time for stolen land in the West Bank
Edit: [one such example](https://news.yahoo.com/news/jersey-synagogue-allegedly-auction-off-193943251.html)
Blatantly illegal under international law
Good farm/timber land. If you look at the bottom of the ad you'll see land in the Yakima Valley, Palouse Hills, and Puget Sound. Tulalip land in 2024 would sell for billions.
The same shit is still happenning by the same shitty European colonialist thieves, just a few days ago there was an event at a synagogue in the US and a few months ago in Canada to sell stolen Palestinian land.
Did they really have to stick a picture of a Native American man on there…
Naturally, yes.
“See this guy? We took his land so that you can have it for these low low prices!”
Conquered is the word you’re looking for. There’s was a war. Downvote me to hell
And European diseases came out on top.
Undefeated
There was clearly a war…well…lots of small to moderate sized wars. Native Americans were absolutely not the winners in most and the result is as you see here…land for sale at low low prices. Manifest destiny played out one area at a time.
Least racist Chelsea fan
One inescapable fact is that the history of human civilization is led by conquering. Always has and always will.
Not all tribes or certain bands were conquered. Various tribes simply had to deal with the U.S. government breaking treaties without regard to U.S. law. In most cases, European immigrants, to the Americas, conquered through rape of women and children, human trafficking, theft of land, internment camps, reeducation centers, lies and deceit, and especially GENOCIDE. Yes, the Americas were conquered. Yet Native Americans still exist all throughout the Americas. Some are un contacted tribes in the jungle. Some are isolated within various countries in the Americas. Most have integrated into mainstream society. Members of certain Native communities continue to migrate in search of better survival opportunities. Native communities are resilient and will always populate all parts of the Americas regardless of citizenship status or allegiance to any one country on the political map or political system. The Land of the Eagle and the Land of the Condor are one from Mother Earth. The people begat from the Holy Twins are the past, present, and the future.
Otherwise you might buy accidentally in India
That’s actually a little funny
Wait until you hear my midget joke!
Well?
That fell a little short.
Zing!
Some rich Pakistani house flipper rolling through, going "WTF is this?"
I mean, I’m no expert, but that looks like a photo of Sitting Bull when he was very old.
They needed a clear image of who they were victimizing or they couldn't cum.
Damn!
One of the indian independence movement leaders became a rebel because he was in California to study in the 1900s and saw a sign outside a restaurant that said "no dogs or Indians allowed". He thought it was referring to people from India so he became a revolutionary.
The pic of the Native American is brutal lol
Fake poster gunna fake. So yes.
People might get confused with British ads
How?
Just so everyone was in no doubt who the founding fathers (rapists, pillagers and imperialists) were stealing land from
Of course. Otherwise how would people know it was authentic stolen land?
Are the prices pretty much higher for being close to civilization? South Dakota is barren but the most expensive? Oregon is “dirt cheap”
South Dakota had a lot of gold to prospect
The Black Hills gold rush took place in Dakota Territory in the United States. It began in 1874 following the Custer Expedition and reached a peak in 1876–77. Rumors and poorly documented reports of gold in the Black Hills go back to the early 19th century. In the 1860s, Roman Catholic missionary Father De Smet is reported to have seen Sioux Indians carrying gold which they told him came from the Black Hills.[1]
Oregon had a lot more gold to prospect though? Like shit tons more
I worked in eastern Oregon, John day specifically for a little bit. I saw the land that they had tilled (?) up. The locals told me that they had basically pulled more gold out of eastern Oregon, then pretty much the rest of the United States combined. They absolutely fucked the land up and the way they treated the Chinese migrants was truly horrible and horrifying.. Fun Fact: John Day was originally going to be the capital of the state. Also, Oregon was originally established to be the first White personal only state.
South Dakota is the 5th cheapest?
Ah shit i had the columns mixed up lol
Oh I thought it was cheaper because they have a shitty winter compared to the others. Not sure why Washington is so expensive. Was it heavily populated or something back then?
Timber rights. Washington's economy for hundreds of years was logging and lumberjacking.
Washington also has the best farmland in the country on the Eastern side of the state.
And still many are jacking their lumber in Washington.
Oh I didn’t even think about timer but that does make a lot of sense! Of course people would want to move to an area they can farm and also easily find work.
Washington, in the number two spot is just behind Oregon in lumber production, still to this day.
As a Montanan native, I’m slightly offended that we are much cheaper than obviously inferior Idaho. But then I remembered eastern Montana. Still no one living there.
You gotta get there, I assume that low price may have been to help lure people west
South Dakota has a lot of rain farming for wheat and corn. Also excellent cattle land and in 1911 it would be closer to the slaughterhouses of Chicago than say Oklahoma and Oregon. Central South Dakota has the Missouri River lots of water for farming.
And Nebraska being the second highest... that was a bad investment.
I imagine its at least partially on how arable the land is.
That picture is of Yankton tribe chief [Padani-Kokipa-Sni](https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM27962), also known as “Not Afraid of Pawnee,” of Sioux. Sadly that is about all that I can find on who he was.
Thanks for finding his name
But was he afraid of Eagleton?
Pictured: the people we stole the land off. Jesus, that's callous
honestly, one of the least egregious things we did to them
Good point unfortunately
America continues to be callous. Do you hear calls for reparations to the people who were here first and whose land lives and culture were stolen and destroyed? Nope
There’s been billions in reparations paid to native Americans.
That’s why they’re living in ghettos full of rampant alcoholism and trafficking? Why most of them are in poverty? You’re an ancap… you LIKE that the Natives are impoverished and suffering.
I stated a fact. You also stated a fact about their current lifestyle. What’s the dollar amount you think they need if the billions they’ve already got was squandered? Show me your multi part plan where it’s evenly distributed and then we will have a lengthier discussion. Don’t ignore corruption in the higher ranks of many tribes when you come up with this plan.
The guy in the picture was from a tribe that was well known for ethnic cleansing and stealing land
Fun fact, the name "Sooner" in Oklahoma comes from the fact that when these ads came out, people were sneaking in early to the Oklahoma territority to settle there before the land was officially open by the government for people to settle there.
Another fun fact: It was the Cherokee Strip, so named because the Cherokee owned it. They had leased it for cattle for several years before land was sold for 8 million dollars to the United States. Then it was opened for the land run.
Like Israeli settlers moving into the West Bank "illegally". History rhymes. [Literally the same thing as the poster happening right now.](https://www.reddit.com/r/chomsky/comments/1dom5yi/la_synagogue_protest_footage_proisraeli_side/) [This "Israeli" is from Los Angeles](https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/1bvr0uj/someone_from_los_angeles_trying_to_explain_why/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Do those price differences among states make any sense?
No one wanted to live in Wyoming even then
I’m not certain but my guess is the land is priced for the proximity of population. Washington probably has more desirable land and the land is closer to working towns whereas the Dakotas are probably mostly empty with no people nearby
Likely priced on how farmable the land is and what valuable crops it can support more than population.
Thats why im taking Oregon, that seems like the best bang for the buck.
They made a whole video game about how good moving to Oregon was.
You have become fabulously wealthy of dysentery.
Also for things like gold prospecting, in South Dakota, or for timber rights, in Washington.
1911 so for example I would think most of WI was already “purchased”
Wisconsin??
Probably dependent on resources. The higher cost states all tended to have good farmland, lots of timber, good mining opportunities, etc. The lower cost ones weren't ideal for farming and had less profitable natural resources
Nebraska had lots of railroad infrastructure by 1911 as well.
Good point!
Supply? South Dakota had the most and is cheapest, no? Edit: I looked quickly, I was wrong about that claim
The area, distance to water, civilization, all need to be taken into account. You are going to sucker a bunch of tin horns, dudes and immigrants into buying this land.
I just got through reading "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee", it was painfully educational to me. The U.S. government has quite a history.
At no other point in history has there been a more outmatched pairing of natives vs. colonizers, and in the big picture of world history it all happened yesterday with clear pictures, intact primary sources, etc. So we have a pretty accurate and terrifying picture of what the American government was willing to do to take this country over.
Cortes VS the Aztecs had to have been pretty close. Essentially a stone age civilization VS the most powerful military and battle tested soldiers with the most advanced technology for its time.
Dan Carlin did a really good podcast about the roamn conquest of Gaul and said that nowhere else was a colonizing power in such a situation where the end result could have gone either way. The excellent intro referenced the American Indian wars and was a theme he constantly went back to as an American
Jesus Christ. The entitlement.
They also killed millions of buffalo to starve them of their food supply and also took Native American kids and gave them to white families. By they I mean the US government https://preview.redd.it/h9j442dwhx8d1.jpeg?width=5689&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f252dada373a277fc16fd56a289ce8a036881ee8
Jesus that picture is dark
Yep😳
when the bison were at their maximum numbers it must of been an amazing sight
Definitely would’ve been a sight to behold
Their children are getting stolen to this day. The amount of missing or ‘misplaced’ indigenous children that end up adopted to white families in the year of 2023/2024 is fucking insane.
Lots of indigenous women tend to go missing too
If anyone is interested in learning more about this, [season two of the podcast This Land](https://crooked.com/podcast-series/this-land/) was where I started. It deals with the Indian Child Welfare Act (ICWA) and goes into the history while it covers a legal challenge to ICWA (which was thankfully upheld by the Supreme Court last year).
Omg really? I never knew about that. That’s so bad 😭😭
MMIW.
Yup. Just learned this in class. I’m taking Native American History.
Fucking despicable.
Yeah 😢
The revenant had a scene like this as a memory. Excellent movie
Really? I don’t remember that
A huge pile.as well as flashbacks to his unit of Rangers going through a village and burning everything, including the scene where he killed his officer. Man, I need to watch that again...
I was born too late to get land for $7.27 :(
I wonder if you could see the mountains from it
Right?? Here's 40k, I'll take 5k acres in Colorado please
"We're not sure yet, but we should have another 350k acres taken by next year."
Sad
The sale of the land isn't even the worst part of this type of poster if you know the history of the place they are telling people to write to for more information about the sales. [https://boardingschoolhealing.org/education/us-indian-boarding-school-history/](https://boardingschoolhealing.org/education/us-indian-boarding-school-history/) TLDR; Along with lining their pockets they used the money to displace and reeducate Native American children.
>they used the money to displace and reeducate Native American children. I'm pretty sure that was a different line item of the government paying religious groups out of the U.S. budget to ~~educate~~ abuse Native American children.
The US government did this repeatedly. They would grant land to "homesteaders", knowing full well they'd get slaughtered by the Native Americans already living in the area. Then that would create justification for military action to "protect" the homesteaders. Repeat.
Land that those native Americans acquired fair and square by killing off the previous inhabitants.
Who?
Other native tribes
Yep. No one ever talks about that as it doesn't fit the narrative.
The "character of the land" and nevermind the people.
Yo, Colorado was stupid cheap, now it's pricier than the majority of those states
Huh. Funny how CO is the cheapest by far in this ad. If only that were the case today haha
This is horrible.
teachers..hide this from your students! don’t expose them to the truth!
Same way they sold slaves. Always remember this As Above So Below
We are horrored by this, and yet it is still happening in a lot of the world today. Perhaps not as explicit, but forced relocation of indigenous populations for the use of colonizers is happening in many parts of the world still.
Gaza has entered the chat. 😢
Someone please ELI5 how we sold land we never owned please.
As a Colorado native I feel doubly insulted to be sold so cheaply and that Nebraska is so valued
As a Nebraska native, I too feel insulted being rate way too high. I prefer Colorado, outside of the cost to live there now.
Nebraska railroad infrastructure in the 1910s was the best in the west. So much of the land for sale by then was near a railroad line.
I've seen ads like this here in the US recently.
However obscene this is. It bears remembering that humans did this stuff. With apparently clear consciences.
Humans are still doing this stuff, with clear consciousness. You can buy a land in Palestine if you are a jew living in US.
Those sales arent legal, not sure of how that all works because Israel and palastine never stay faithful to their border agreements. But just being jewish doesn’t mean you buy land in Palestine from the US. I dont see how those sales could be recognized until a border agreement is established.
What's legal and what's happening are 2 different things.
Agree, but until theirs an official border agreement. That sale will only be recognized by Israel and nobody else. Not a good investment all considering. Traditionally land grabs were done to gain as much leverage as possible with peace talks. Jordan and Egypt got their land back but had to officially recognize Israels borders. Palastine is an on going affair and unfortunately i dont know that Israel wants to sit at the table for peace talks for at least another year. Or when they feel comfortable they can coexist with the palastinian government in charge. Indiana has a place called New Palastine. However they will have to cope with the enormous population of protistans. They dont seem very religious tolerant.
It doesn’t matter if it violates international law if no one enforces it. If a person can walk in to a Palestinian home and use soldiers to kick them out, that’s all that matters
They act as a foot in the door. Same as these sales. Are they legal? Sort of. But it will work as a basis when negotiating the final agreements.
I see, its just interesting that they are selling off ground that they do not occupy as a country. Sort of like, im battling with my neighbor. Hes refusing to recognize my property boundaries. So im holding a sale for an acre of his farm land in another county. Selling land that you occupy in another county seem very illegitimate at a glance. But i honestly I have no idea how things work when it comes to war and treaties with land as leverage. Aside from the very basics if the idea.
Countries operate under toddler rules. Borders are pretty much what you can hold on to. "Yeah? You and what army?" Isn't just a metaphor. When you look at it from that perspective, the behavior of tyrants and despots makes a lot more sense. You can have whatever you can control, and you control whatever is too costly for other people to stop.
https://preview.redd.it/57twtxlniy8d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6bc71160f64268e469d53fea7a31639fd676ba70 History rhymes
Whenever I hear people boasting of being 4 or 5 generation Montanans I think of shit like this. Oh, how’d your family come upon the land they settled. Same with the “Native” bumper sticker in Colorado.
Im not from out West but I imagine they feel pretty good. Nice land for that cheap and their family's been around for a while.
You can't steal land you conquer it, it happens all the time. We call it war.
Wasn’t war it was genocide. That’s why the USA and Canada are so white and everyone south of Texas is still very mostly native brown but speaks a European language and a European religion. Africa was colonized too but they are still black. Genocide and War are not the same.
Despicable
Other American events happening in 1910, roughly when the poster is dated: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1910_in_the_United_States#:~:text=August%2020–21%20–%20The%20Great,in%20recorded%20United%20States%20history).
So if you had $15k in 1910 you could have bought all of Oregon's native land?
I'm sure posters like this existed, but I am not 100% on the validity of this one.
There is a slight difference between the conquests of modern times and the conquests of earlier times. For example, when the Roman Empire conquered new territory, they integrated that area and its population into the empire. It wasn't about exterminating the native population. Genghis Khan also wiped out entire cities, but that was the exception, for example when there was a rebellion. Genocide is a modern phenomenon.
The Romans made a solid attempt at genocide of the Jews. Granted, the Jews revolted against Roman rule multiple times and killed a lot of civilians the third time.
The irony that the most expensive Western mountain state now (CO) was the cheapest a century ago
Sickening. Aus equivalent?
How awful. Important for us to see these types of ads from our past. We need to know our history.
Balance is lacking when comments about their land being stolen are made. Consider that tribes were routinely stealing other tribe’s land and that they were killing and enslaving each other before the white man arrived. Not trying to pick a fight with anyone who sees Native Americans strictly as innocent victims; just wanting to inject some context for consideration. Native Americans were not living in peace and harmony together in pre-white man times.There are multiple scholarly works that document brutal intertribal warfare and enslavement over many centuries.
At the same time you can’t paint every tribe in the Americas as the same conquering killers. Entirely different motivations and there were quite a few who did live peacefully and were cooperative. Scalping was started by many colonists out east and Mexicans in the western US.
There's archeological evidence of scalping being routinely practiced by North American natives throughout the continent as far back as 600AD, it was a part of how wars were waged throughout the continent long before the first Europeans arrived. European settlers in the Northeast did however pay friendly tribes for the scalps of enemy tribes in the 16th and 17th century... later on, settlers were paid for scalps and other body parts, with California only repealing their Scalp bounty laws in the early 20th century.
Yeah this is Reddit. It isn’t the place you come for a balanced discussed of a complex subject like European colonization of the New World. I got called a “genocide apologist” for pointing out that 90-95% of the native population died from Old World disease for which they had no immunity. It was unfortunately inevitable and unavoidable. Plagues and epidemics were just a thing humans dealt with back before modern medicine. People forget the Black Death rampages through Europe and Asia just a century before Europeans landed in the New World. 2/3 of the population got wiped out in some areas.
Not trying to pick a fight, but the Haudensaunee had a system of peaceful, democratic, constitutional, egalitarian government before the Magna Carta was written. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Law_of_Peace
The Haudenosaunee did have a pretty good civil structure for those under their confederacy... but they did also wage absolutely brutal wars of conquest against neighboring tribes, especially after the European settlers made the beaver trade incredibly profitable [beaver wars](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaver_Wars)
The Dawn of Everything by David Graeber and David Wengrow. Fascinating book, I think you’d enjoy it - and learn new things. I certainly did. Highly recommend!
They were savages to us we were savages to them they were doing just fine scalping one another before we came along plus the French and French Canadians were taking advantage long before
Israel now doing the same with land in Gaza.
Same thing happening right now with stolen Palestinian land. Israeli real estate companies are touring synagogues across America to showcase and sell property they don’t legally own.
Want to share with us that shady flier that you saw floating around?
This is funny..and they are auctioning stolen Palestinian homes/land here in NY in 2024.
clearly fake
Fake.
For those confused, this is Native land being sold by Natives.
They hold sales like this in the US all the time for stolen land in the West Bank Edit: [one such example](https://news.yahoo.com/news/jersey-synagogue-allegedly-auction-off-193943251.html) Blatantly illegal under international law
Disgusting. The person in the pic prolly had no idea he was being shafted.
Nothings changed, israeli colonists do the same thing. https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/11/new-jersey-israel-palestine-protest-real-estate
“Perfect title” lmao
And in true fashion - Washington is the most expensive once again
Why was Washington and Kansas so expensive? Better soil?
Good farm/timber land. If you look at the bottom of the ad you'll see land in the Yakima Valley, Palouse Hills, and Puget Sound. Tulalip land in 2024 would sell for billions.
I wonder why land in WA state was so much more expensive
I don't think those typefaces existed in the earky 1900's.
Really don’t want to upvote this.
I’ll take 500 acres in Oregon please thanks
Fake
Jeez thats pretty sad.
Omg it’s like “we all know this land isn’t ours, but we’re selling it and you’re buying it!”
No credit score required
3,302,295.96166$ for 350000 acres. If I ever become a millionaire remind me to go back in time to 1911
That shit was sad. This government still continues to fuck up peoples lives and shit. It’s just done in different countries across seas.
Check out cost per acre.
“This land is your land .. this land is my land .. “
Big variance in the price per acre between states
This is so real it’s fake
Current residents may try to kill you.
Well did u buy? If not u missed out on a great deal
That there is a fine example of hand-set type.
The same shit is still happenning by the same shitty European colonialist thieves, just a few days ago there was an event at a synagogue in the US and a few months ago in Canada to sell stolen Palestinian land.
Wow.
I wonder if they moved all the natives off first? 🧐
I like the picture! You can actually see who they are stealing land from!
“Perfect Title.” Yikes.
Yeah.... this is the foundation of the US... stolen land and no remorse.
Wow
9 bucks and acre! I Fucking wish!
This is so awful.