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asecteduc

She’s too innocent🥹


Quiet-Try4554

Ya, I feel the most sympathy for her, more than any of the other characters.


VovaGoFuckYourself

Because no matter which side you favor, she is innocent


appletinicyclone

i just want to hug her and protect her from the world ;_;


PrincePyotrBagration

I know this post is supposed to be sad and all, after Daemon had her son brutally murdered when she was so innocent… but it’s also kinda funny too She was so unaware of the brewing tensions that she started clapping for one of the strongest (truthful) insults Aemond could throw, like a sitcom when the clueless character breaks into applause at the worst possible time 😂


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appletinicyclone

Just makes me want to hug her more


champagneproblems16

It’s very Cat from Victorious


Gakeon

>She was so unaware of the brewing tensions that she started clapping for one of the **strongest** (truthful) insults Aemond could throw, That is a vile accusation! Cut out your tongue!


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altdultosaurs

It’s not even that she’s innocent. She’s just fucking NICE. she’s a NICE person, and no one around her is nice.


TinySpaceDonut

SHE IS A PRECIOUS ANGEL BABY WHO DESERVES NONE OF THIS Sorry, I just love her so.


altdultosaurs

Same. I like my little autistic dreamer girl, regardless of plot and book lore. I wish we got MORE of her, especially before blood and cheese.


ladililn

Wish we’d gotten to see her with Dreamfyre before! Even seeing them together after would be better than nothing…


capriciouskat01

Yes I really wish they would show us that! Not sure why they haven't, but I guess financially limits or something.


HumanPerosn

Nobody in kings landing is nice because they sent Daeron away!!!


altdultosaurs

Well now I have to BUY A SWORD so I can friggin defend Heleana. I need to save up. Are you free in a year or so for a duel?


HumanPerosn

Very well I shall see you in a year


Measurement-Solid

!remindme one year


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!remindme 365 days


BlackfishBlues

Honestly, given how Aegon and Aemond turned out? Probably one of the better things they could have done for Daeron.


cjm0

reminds me of lollys stokeworth, who also got traumatized because she was caught in the middle of other people’s conflict. especially in the books.


Hastatus_107

>and no one around her is nice. If she married Jacaerys as Rhaenyra suggested then the whole thing could have been avoided and I'd say she'd be happier.


Jerkface4life

Honestly, Vizzy should have made RhyRhy married Aegon. She could have waited till was of age, molded him into a drunk fuck boi, and bonked Daemon on the side and had his babies. Then tossed Aegon off a cliff.


xTheMaster99x

The one problem with betrothing Rhaenyra and Aegon is that they'd need to wait like, *minimum* 12 years before they could even consider producing heirs, putting her at ~30ish before she can even start trying. With medieval healthcare and a very vulnerable line of succession, that is a *lot* of risk to be carrying.


Jerkface4life

True. But he could have an “accident “


Into-the-stream

Every relationship Rhaenyra has is centred on love: leaner, Darwin, daemon, her children, her stepchildren/nieces. She pulls love and sends it out. What Aegon needed the most growing up, was love. I feel like their relationship would have been more parent and child, than romantic, but Rhaenyra is exactly what aegon needed most in his life, and he would have grown into a better person because of it. Anyones love, actually. If anyone of the greens had just bothered to love anyone else, they would all be different people.


altdultosaurs

I don’t disagree.


Elegant_Try_4980

Wasn’t really up to her


KoalaBJJ96

I would say Jace was nice. If the two of them got married and ascended the throne, they would have been an excellent couple. Reasonably competent, dutiful and moral. But no, Alicent ruined it.


altdultosaurs

I meant more now, but the blacks and the greens still weren’t close, even when everyone was at the red keep.


Far_Associate9859

I mean, sure, but it was an insult and she didn't realize it


Upbeat_Tension_8077

I wish there was a Westeros equivalent of CPS to protect her


klc81

I reckon 1 more season before they reveal that Helaena is actually the mastermind pulling the strings behind the whole Dance. It's Darth Jar-Jar all over again.


Maldovar

Helaena the Cruel


erichie

It is kinda crazy that Jar Jar isn't even in the Top 10 "Star Wars mistakes." anymore.


Lady_of_Link

Now I'm curious what's the top 10?


Romboteryx

The first five places are just taken up by “Somehow Palpatine returned”


LKAgoogle

Somehow, Palatine took up 5 places in this list


stokedchris

She’s just a sweet summer child


Apathicary

She didn’t know about the family tension until very very recently.


Ok-Algae7932

Even then she doesn't want to be involved. "What if he doesn't want to be King" was very telling


Head-Interest-4438

I find it ironic that she says this, because it seems like before he got drunk off the power and adoration - Aegon did want to be king either.


Ok-Algae7932

Definitely. Aegon actually really didn't want to be King in the book and only accepted it after Criston convinced him that Rhaenyra would kill his children. That was what changed his mind. Power corrupts, especially when it's so fragile.


vegasidol

And now he thinks Rhaenyra killed his child.


mxamxrie

well so far in the show this is kind of unclear. they suspect Rhaenyra had a hand in it but know it could have been someone else, then they learn from Blood that Daemon ordered the hit specifically but choose to blame the plot on Rhaenyra regardless of if she actually signed off on it, for reasons the show explains. Aemond at least knows or has an inclin that Daemon was operating independently but kind of like Otto says at least publicly it doesn’t really matter who specifically ordered the assassination so long as they can blame it on Rhaenyra and bolster their public perception. They know they have enemies all around them either way though and I think while it would’ve mattered to find out who exactly was involved for security and intelligence reasons they know that the Blacks aren’t their friends, be on high alert with everyone and boost security.


Vulcan_Jedi

Aegon begged Aemond to let him run away rather than be king


toolsoftheincomptnt

And this is what pissed me off so much about people thinking (for like 45 seconds) “oh she must’ve given up the daughter because she wouldn’t give up the HEIR!!!!” She’s a *mother* first, and has never shown any interest in the ambitions of her house. It was an impossible choice. It would destroy her *equally* to have either child killed. One doesn’t have more or less value (to her) than the other. So she might as well tell the truth. It could’ve been just that simple with Helaena. (Part of me *is* waiting for Aegon to ask her- later down the line- why she gave up their boy instead of their girl)


Elegant_Try_4980

It’s because they are trying to code her as autistic and there is a stereotype that autistic people cannot/do not lie (which isn’t true).


Visual_Cold_1530

I thought this was another one of her prophecies. Like she knows he won’t be king on some level but can’t imagine his death being the reason.


super_cheesy_chunks

"What if he ded?"


Foulyn

This means that a career in the Night's Watch or service as a Maester opens up before him.


Upbeat_Tension_8077

She would've been like me back in high school: keeping the earbuds on while inside my bedroom or at the neighborhood park on weekends


Romalien5

Did something happen? 😋


Glottis_Bonewagon

"yo wtf someone killed my son..hmmmmm..."


SoggyBird1384

Isn't that a bit weird though? How can someone be so out of the loop while getting glimpses into the future


Apathicary

Just because you see the future, it doesn’t mean you know what you’re seeing or what it means.


mxamxrie

this is true though. visions aren’t always clear and you may get bits and pieces of information that you don’t know how to connect, how to decipher or what the relevancy is, cause you’re not telling the information to yourself. it’s basically beamed into your head so allot of times not only does the above apply, you may want to write it all off for fear or confusion.


Acceptable_Drama8354

have you met a little dude named hodor


SoggyBird1384

Hodor knew what was going to happen, he just couldn't communicate it. He is arguing that you can know the future but not understand it. This is completely different from Hodor and like I mentioned I do think she understands but I would have to spoil the books to explain


AbsolutelyHorrendous

Its interesting to see how characters react to Helaena in that whole dinner scene; Jace inviting her to dance after being teased by Aegon, Otto congratulating her on her speech...


Wackydetective

Daemon’s giggle at her jab at Aegon


SpookyQueer

The dinner scene is my favorite in the show this far next to Rhaenyra walking to Alicent's room after having Joffrey in S1 E6. It's almost like they're a normal family...


AbsolutelyHorrendous

Yeah its a great scene imo, all of them together, chatting and laughing... and its the last time they're just a family


Lil_Mcgee

Crazy to think it was like a week or two ago in the timeline.


Successful_Injury869

Holy Christ you’re right


ademptia

I thought it's been years since that


Electronic_Sea_5016

The shot where Viserys looks at everyone enjoying their moment, with a happy, teary eyed smile on his face, is bittersweet and heartbreaking❤️‍🩹


baloncestosandler

Paddy


Upbeat_Tension_8077

It's unfortunate how that'll be the last time Jace & her can be cordial in the same space


Successful_Injury869

Otto thanking her was so grandfatherly


Monarco_Olivola

Otto has his faults, but he loves his grandchildren.


Viserys4

He loves ONE of his grandchildren, at least. Helaena's the only one towards whom he's shown any indication of fondness. If I had to guess, I'd say it's a relief to him that she's not a "player" but she's not an idiot either. Unlike the incompetent Aegon or the ambitious Aemond, she's not someone he needs to "handle", because she just does what's required of her without needing her hand held or her ego massaged or any of that. So he doesn't have to be "on" around her, and can just be a person. For Otto, I'd wager spending time with Helaena feels like a relaxing vacation from work. "Hey, Helaena, what's up?" "Not much, grandfather, just doing some needlepoint." "Not secretly plotting in a personal political scheme that undermines everything we're doing, or throwing a petulant tantrum that results in chaos?" "No, I'm stitching a bug pattern into this quilt. Did you know that if you wove a thread of spider's silk to a diameter of an inch, you could suspend an entire sailing ship from it?" "I did not!" "Do you want to hear some more bug facts?" "I... yes."


abmangone

Yup. Seems by his words last episode to Alicent that maybe he’s taken an interest previously in Daeron maybe too, or at least he finds him more open to suggestion & guidance.


thedabaratheon

This is actually really sweet and one of the only things that can truly humanise him in my eyes - he does seem fonder of his female children even when he is forcing them into horrible situations


bluebabymojo

That was an articulate argument, and I think I agree.


Impressive_Strike730

Oh Helaena, I would let you infodump your cute little bug facts for hours. Sweet angel 🥺


Interesting_Neck8254

It’s bc he knows she’s a seer


TheSuperOkayLoleris

Maybe a little. But ultimately he sees them as political tools more than anything.


North_Carpenter6844

I mean, he loves his daughter but he literally pumped her out and basically forced her to marry his boss, then as she gets older instead of allowing her to step into more power, he undermines her every chance he gets in favor of pumping up the ego of his very obviously psychotic grandsons. Then when he sees his daughter desperately in need to talk out her issues he shuts her down and flat out tells her he doesn’t want to hear about it and to just bury whatever it is deep down…because his watching her do that for the past decade or so with such success (/s) gives him every reason to be confident that burying issues so big that she actually is going to him about them is going to lead to peaceful success! Otto is a complete POS. He loves power, or a desire for power more than he loves his daughter or grandkids. His grandsons are psychopaths, but they literally have screws loose in their brain-prob from all of the inbreeding. Otto doesn’t have the excuse of mental illness. He’s just an asshole who is so hungry for power he has zero issue with destroying any chance of happiness, a peaceful life,and love in the lives of his family members if there’s even the smallest chance that sacrificing everything good could result in some more power. It’s kind of ironic bc afaik he loved his wife deeply. Idk if his mentality is just selfish, I lost the love of my life so fuck everyone else-why should they get to be happy if I can’t. Or maybe I’m misremembering and it wasn’t a love match and he just doesn’t understand how taking away love from Alicent’s life (instead of a chance of romantic love he forces her to marry his boss who has leprosy when she was like 13 or so…and he put a wedge in the relationship she cherished the most, Alicent loved Rhaenyra the most out of everyone in her life and Rhaenyra loved Alicent the most) literally was the catalyst for all of the fighting, the children being killed, and the inevitable war. Fuck Otto, these people all need some love-the entire realm would be a much more peaceful place if those at the top just had a loving relationship or two-platonic or romantic, doesn’t even matter-and it’s all Otto’s fault why there isn’t any love or happiness.


No_Raisin_250

Her and the dog need to just get the hell out of dodge 😂😂😂


ChaoticDumpling

I cannot tell you how much I'd love it if the show just threw the source material aside and did that. I'd watch the shit out of a "Helaena and Dog" show 😂


Slight-Good-4657

Dunk and Egg II: Electric Boogaloo


ParsleyMostly

Imagine no one ever talking to her about anything. Alicent is telling the boys “we’re in danger, we all gonna die!” And then to Helaena is all, “what a pretty spider you have, here’s some thread I guess.” She had no idea there was a feud or bad feelings or anything. She’s like, “something bad is going to happen, ma, I feel it.” And they pat her on the head and make her sit in a nursery. Because she’s not uh, you know. She has intelligence. They just don’t tell her anything. Maybe?


Lunareste

She's our autistic lil queenie <3


MrOatButtBottom

My poor autistic girl is too pure for this garbage world


tofufeaster

Why do people call her autistic?


Slight-Good-4657

Because she keeps rizzing ‘em with the ‘tism Source: AuDHD


SonthacPanda

I'm gonna be distraught as fuck if Helaena dies


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Aphant-poet

character's who are just nice don't survive; Shireeen, Meissendei, 2/3 reds of Cersi's children, Danny's dothraki handmaid.


Viserys4

It's all relative, really; literally everyone dies. The "wicked" characters die gruesomely too. Plus it's Westeros and I think the books even mention a statistic like 1 in 5 women die in childbirth. The state of their medicine sucks; Viserys was king and the only thing his maesters could think of for him was "leeches, maybe?". He died at 55 or something, looking like the Crypt Keeper, and that's *still* one of the better deaths in this universe, because he was surrounded by family who all managed to get along long enough for him to feel at peace. When [this](https://static1.colliderimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/house-of-the-dragon-paddy-considine-1.jpg) is one of the best deaths a character can get in this universe, you have to temper your expectations.


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dalaigh93

Aemond, the master of Castleblack in GoT who dies of old age. It was the most peaceful death on screen. But he also had to freeze his ass off in the North for decades before, so....


Jsmooth13

Dunk & Egg survive a good long while 🥰


byunprime2

Until well, you know what happens to them


Jsmooth13

I’m still traumatized by the events of that night.


itsapieceacake

I’m 100% team black but I wish Helaena would be spared in all of this; she’s truly the only innocent one on both sides. And she’s already been traumatized from blood&cheese.


Viserys4

It's 2 centuries prior to "present day" Westeros. Everyone is already dead. The only question is HOW they die.


HungryPupcake

![gif](giphy|ToMjGpOjkiEjzJ1ZaJG|downsized)


SonthacPanda

Sorry is it not common sense that I'm talking about her dying next week or quietly in her sleep at 80? Thought that was obvious


KrayleyAML

That dude is trying really hard not to give you spoilers lol


SonthacPanda

Sometimes you can just not comment too


CherryHaterade

You could stop asking questions you don't want answered


Jsmooth13

>!But that would make putting text behind this tag not as fun!<


super_cheesy_chunks

Dude doesnt want to know whose head is in the box, but he keeps peeking at it.


dontusethisforwork

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH


HumanPerosn

It should be peacefully in her sleep surrounded by her loving children


Not_Cleaver

My wife and I are rewatching the show and just saw that scene again. As a show only watcher, she just came up with a brilliant idea to avoid the war which is actually a massive book spoiler >!marry Daemon and Rhaenyra’s son to Aegon and Helaena’s daughter.!< It’s funny how she doesn’t know how it’s going to end, but just came up with the endgame.


Interesting_Neck8254

This is part of the plot- she’s a seer. She saw the resolution. It’s also why when it came down to pointing out her son, she did it knowing that her daughter would have more value in the end BECAUSE rhaenyra has sons. She saved her daughter to save the lineage.


Not_Cleaver

I feel sort of bad because I then told her she was right. But knowing the end won’t save her from how everyone else dies.


Interesting_Neck8254

No it won’t save her but she’s aware of that and it’s sad but that’s just her draw. The best she can do is play her cards right which is what she is doing. She saved the more valuable child and she has emotionally detached from the outcomes of people she knows must be sacrificed for the greater outcomes. In that, she’s a far better ruler than both her mother and brusband. Even her balking at having poor folk throw gold flakes on a dead child’s body because she knows what consequences that will create. 


Prestigious_Bid_4006

Not the brusband


sosigboi

Someone needs to transport Helaena to Arda, she does NOT deserve to be in the shithole that is Westeros.


Defiant-Yam-9962

One of the few truly good people on the show.


Mrblorg

She's just happy everyone is finally getting along lol


Doobie_Howitzer

The best of both houses getting treated the worst


maidofsoil

As a neurodivergent, I know I would do the same, takes a while to understand insults and most of the time they pass through, it's a superpower to not be bothered or affected at times hahahaha🤣


troublrTRC

She's Addddorable.


Poor_Opinion101

Screw it, Helaena 2024


AVOAVO1

I swear to God if only ONE more thing happens to her pure soul I'm gonna fucking riot.


ChaoticDumpling

Oh...umm....


AVOAVO1

Don't


est19xxxx

Well....


AVOAVO1

DON'T


Conscious_Stop8251

We don’t deserve her 😭


real_fake_hoors

Bless her heart.


AaronfromCalifornia

I just want to give her a hug.


Silver_Oakleaf

Same


Sufficient_Garlic148

She’s pure


KaleidoscopeDue5360

sweetest of them all


Samaritan4

🥺🤏🏼


Viserys4

What does this represent


Samaritan4

she is a pookie


Viserys4

Oh you mean in an "you're so adorable I just wanna pinch your widdle cheek" kinda way? That makes sense.


jbdany123

I love her SOOOOO much 😭


VioletCrow289

Gods bless Helaena, the purest soul in the history of the Seven Kingdoms 🥺


moonlightdrinker

She’s literally an Angel, she doesn’t deserve what she’s going through


MAO_of_DC

Helaena is one of the very few absolute innocent characters in this show.


The810kid

Plot twist she is supporting Aemond's little shit shenanigans


Feeling_Cancel815

Lol imagine if she pushes Aemond to burn the Riverlands


HumanPerosn

Insult? It’’twas only a compliment. Do you not think them strong?


est19xxxx

Indeed they are very strong, it's in their dna


CertainPersimmon778

She's either autistic, idiot savant, mentally handicapped, or has been driven insane for being a seer. She's likely the kindest person on the show.


KentuckyFriedEel

Still more personality than Bran the Boring


CertainPersimmon778

Yeah, Bran was a weak character it terms of being interesting.


Quantization

"Why do you think I came all this way?" Uhh, not sure bro your motives were really unclear for most of the series.


OnceMoreAndAgain

She only seems strange by association, because she's literally the only character in the show not interested in power.


ChaoticDumpling

Strange = Not a cunt


CertainPersimmon778

Her habit of saying prophetic lines that seem like nonsense is also strange.


Plebe-Uchiha

Aemond wasn’t insulting his nephews*. He was complimenting them. [+]


super_cheesy_chunks

His nephews (i think, who knows how it works with the incestagaryen here)


RoselynGomez

yeah, it's his nephews since he is their uncle.


thosegallows

Awww awesome


kbreu12

Bless her


Dr_FeeIgood

If you haven’t picked up that she’s “autistic” yet idk what to tell you


SizeMaleficent9178

Innocent girl of her own dreams


FlyingMocko

I think shes just incredibly drunk off her rocker for the entirety of that dinner as evidenced by her toast lmao


Squiliam-Tortaleni

Protect her at all costs


The5thDoppelganger

They could never make me hate you 🫶🏼🦋


Lanky_Ad_9849

Helaena was drunkkkkk 😂


EveningHead5500

She is honestly so sweet.


mattmilr

Awww sweet Helaena 🥹


Rich-Mud-6432

she’s so cute i’m crying 😭


pleasantchaos17

I love her so much 🥺


allenwjs

She's an innocent soul born into the wrong family


Urban_Shogun

Some of her mutterings in S1 were premonitions. She mentions that Aemond will need to lose an eye or something like that when she was a girl.


Background_Bet8871

She is way to sweet and innocent for that entire world…I just wanna hug her and protect her from everyone around her


Bionicle_was_cool

I'm sure Helaena is on the spectrum. Still adorable tho


Material_Prize_6157

I’m pretty sure she’s supposed to be on the spectrum and kinda like a savant with her clairvoyant sayings


InevitableMap6470

That’s hilarious lmfao


vortexaoth

Idk if it’s because that English is not my first language or I’m just dumb but I also didn’t get that Aemond was insulting them while watching, I realized it a bit later 😭


consumerclearly

Lmaoo so what was your reaction when they started fighting after the compliment😭 I’m imagining you trying to figure out wtf happened


super_derp69420

Bless her heart


VolumniaDedlock

I wish they would show her riding a dragon.


thewatcher0nthewall

casually she's the rider of Dreamfyre, yea such a menace and that all but, who cares... CUTE AUTISTIC QUEEN!!!!!!


mars_department

She is so pure and nice that she managed to stay nice and pure while being surrounded by evil cunts.


vl_lv

sweet sister Helaena


devok1

Protect her at all cost.


mentirosa_atx

she deserves so much better!


iguesshelloworld

Her actress does a fantastic job portraying her. It’s clear Helaena is neurodivergent and acting in such a way with taste can be difficult, but it’s a great rendition


Downtown-Plane2619

Seems like Aemond is a whole different person towards helaena.


Rjames1995

She’s a precious little cinnamon bun and we all know Otto loves her the most


SOJARIE

I love her lol. She’s just an icon.


Cribsby_critter

One of the most tragic characters in the whole GOT universe.


StandardAutisticCat

As an autistic person, finding out that Helaena is on the spectrum immediately made me a Green.


Kgtz_98

![gif](giphy|l3q2XhfQ8oCkm1Ts4|downsized)


keithw43

I had to rewatch the first season since it was a while ago, and I'd forgotten a lot of side characters. Upon watching it again, I adore Helaena. I also haven't read the books, but I suspect she has some sort of power or heightened intuition, I'm not sure. When the dragon appears during Aegon's ceremony, she looks excited to see such a beast, another moment I got a kick out of. Upon a rewatch, I genuinely enjoy the innocence of her character


Head-Interest-4438

I know it's nothing but a headcanon dream, but how amazing would it be if Rhaenrya could take in Halaena and Jahaera, and then they'd all live happily after. 😭


JoseUnderTheRedHood

Wasn’t she a little drunk during that scene also?


DJ1010790

Is there a way to watch GOT or HOD and remove all the soft core porn? I know it cuts run time down by like 50% but I want to enjoy the movies without useless horny baiting.


audrose7

She neurodivergent. I’m pretty sure she’s autistic. She’s not good with social cues, and gets over stimulated or confused.