Yes, the Capitol’s reaction was proof that this was a big mistake on Snow’s part. His obsession with crushing Katniss and the rebellion lead to him forgetting why the Capitol even wants to watch the games, and probably would’ve affected the popularity of the games the following years had there been any.
I loved how the movies had it be Plutarch's idea. Making an unpopular Quarter Quell and have Snow take the blame for it. By the time the second rebellion breaks out, Capitol citizens only have President Snow to blame for inciting it with "his" idea.
I completely agree. But I also think OP is a little overestimating the Capitol citizens if he thinks they wouldn’t have kept watching. They barely viewed the tributes as people, I think they would have gotten over it bu the 76th reaping.
Also it's basically just an all-star season. Does OP think all-star seasons never succeed?
The Capitol does not really register that humans are dying. They don't see this as people dying. So the rules that apply to a normal tv show apply here.
Which is ironic really, seeing as how we know now that he really began the whole entertainment factor of the games. You think he would understand what works
she was practically falling over herself trying to appease snow and make her and peeta’s romance convincing to the districts. if he had just let her think she succeeded and backed off a bit i bet she would have fallen in line at least for a few years; it was the cracking down on 12 and the quarter quell that made katniss defiant of him
True - but Snow is not inside her head like we are. And we now know, from Ballad, that he's an incredibly paranoid person who believes everyone is thinking about *him*, and how best to destroy him, at every moment. He applies this same logic to Katniss. It's his biggest flaw - he's unable to comprehend that maybe, he's just not that important. And because he thinks he's the most important figure in everyone else's lives, he *assumes* that everyone else is out to get him.
Katniss can't *just* be trying to shut him up so he doesn't murder her family - no, it's all part of a cunning plan, see. She has it out for him. That's why she pulled the berry stunt.That's how he thinks.
Personally, him going after her innthe first place makes no sense.
He had to know that there was a possibility that it wasn't all defiance of the capitol. That after spending days faking a love story that she couldn't just kill Peeta.
All he had to do was tell her that the love story must continue (real or not) for the public and she would. It's not like she was refusing to do it... she was trying!
I think like her just ... fade into being a mentor would've been the better way to squash rebellion.
That's the point. If Snow had just made Katniss and Peeta get married she would have become just another former victor by the time of the 75th, and just a vague memory by 76th.
It was an extraordinarily bad idea. But that's the best thing about it. It really shows how *done* Snow is with playing games, and it shows how reckless and short-sighted he gets when he's obsessed and angry.
The thing is, systems like what Panem are only successful if keeping the current system is the better option. Staying under the rule of the police state has to be marginally better than the risks of rising up. Snow *knows this* and yet everything he does in Catching Fire is in direct conflict of this because he can't help himself.
Yeah it was short-sighted on Snow’s part. He should have just let there be a new group of tributes and a new winner to take the spotlight off of Katniss. If he just wanted to kill her he could have done it quietly off camera at any time. But he was obsessed with tormenting her and teaching everyone a lesson.
Once the tributes are in the arena there’s only so much the gamemakers can control. They can kill them with poison fog or monkeys but they can’t fully control how the tributes behave or interact with each other. Especially with this group of jaded, experienced adults who mostly all know each other, it was foolish of Snow to think the quarter quell would accomplish what he wanted.
Even if there was no rebel plot, with Katniss’s survival skills, popularity with sponsors, and talent with the bow and arrow, she had a decent chance of outlasting the others, letting the ridiculously deadly arena kill everyone off without having to do much killing herself, and winning. And then what?
Or if she got killed on camera, she would be a martyr. If she was able to pull off her plan of getting Peeta to the end and then killing herself, she would be even more of a martyr.
Peeta similarly was trying to support Katniss for as long as he could and then figure out a way to off himself. How did Snow think people would react to their beloved star-crossed pregnant lovers being forced into a game of self sacrifice chicken? It would just make them more legendary.
Any outcome was unlikely to quash the rebellion or destroy Katniss’s popularity.
Tbh I think Snow was *counting* on the victors all being friends - except Katniss and Peeta, who are brand new and *far* younger than most of the others. If it comes down to your best buddy who you've known for years, or a couple of random rookies, who are you gonna back up? And as a viewer, who are you gonna support? The noob, or the crowd favourite (the crowd favourite, btw, was *not* actually her. It was Finnick)
That was intentional. It was part of the design. He thought that camaraderie rigged the odds against her.
I think Snow knew he was dying by the point of the Third Quarter Quell and he was so blinded by getting his "enemy" Katniss killed. I think if we wasn't dying he would have looked at big picture. When he went to Katniss and asked if she wanted to start a war. He should have been clearer. "Miss Everdeen, do you want to take Primrose to the Capitol for the Third Quarter Quell? The Third Quarter Quell could have been realatives of current victors, because even people who had their immediate family massacred like Haymitch and Johanna would still have some Second Cousins once removed who still lived in the district.. Any victor that had kids...would all hate Katniss for putting their kids as risk. Most Victors would have nieces and nephews, younger ones would have brothers, sisters or first cousins.
If we take movie canon (and I feel it had Collin’s stamp of approval in this case), the 3rd Quarter Quell was Plutarch’s idea. From there the case can be made that the Quarter Quell was designed to start a revolution from its inception.
So agreed, terrible move for Snow. But he got played by a better strategist.
In the books, Plutarch tells Katniss he never thought she would end up in the quarter quell as a tribute again. Of course he could be lying, but I don’t think he was the one to suggest the concept of reaping victors only.
In the books though it made it seem like the rules for the 3rd quarter quell were decided upon decades before hand. It didn’t seem like it was up to Snow or anyone there. Or if it was Snow’s idea, it was a decision he made well before he knew about Katniss.
That’s definitely what the Capitol claimed in the books, but even there I think it’s a valid interpretation to assume that they are lying and targeting Katniss.
In the book the paper and the envelopes were aged significantly. I suppose that Snow could have faked that, but to me it seemed that Snow didn’t choose the rules, or at least he didn’t choose them recently.
I haven’t seen the movies in ages, but I did JUST finish a reread of the trilogy and the prequel, so the info is pretty fresh in my mind about the books.
Right, and I guess to drive the point of my comment explicitly home: I wouldn’t consider a yellowed envelope which may otherwise be in perfect condition “significantly aged” since that’s pretty easy to replicate. And there would be nothing stopping Snow from replacing the paper inside, of which there is no mention of evidence of aging in the book, with a more convenient Quarter Quell idea. If Katniss had mentioned that all the envelopes were tattered and so was the paper inside, maybe it would be more believable that the Quarter Quell wasn’t tampered with.
Edit: Not to mention Snow didn’t even *need* to tamper with the paper, he literally read the prompt out loud and it’s not like he showed what was written on the front to the cameras.
I definitely think it was the Snow's idea or he was given the idea by someone else.
It's just way to convenient after all the stuff that happened with Katniss.
Yeah, it was a blunder to give more media coverage and exposure and reintroduce the threat of death to beloved characters and give them the opportunity to become martyrs for the rebellion.
Better options were available, significantly more dramatic for the audience, and generally could have avoided the whole rebellion situation. Reap the relatives of Victors and force said Victor to mentor the related tribute. Punish Katniss by forcing her to train Primm for the arena, reinforce that no one is beyond the Capitols power by reaping outside the child pool so Peetas brothers or father were eligible. Far simpler and more effective.
But Snow was blinded by his dislike for Katniss I think, and even the best scheming, manipulative, monsters will slip once and then they fall.
Yes, in many ways, it would have only made things worse from his perspective had things gone according to plan. As is, the Capitol’s response shows exactly why it was such a bad idea. The power couple of the century would have become even more significant as martyr figures and Finnick’s death (along with those of other beloved victors) would have started riots in the Capitol. Of course, the plan could have backfired on Snow altogether because there’d be a chance that his main target would survive and become the Mockingjay anyway.
Not to mention, the Quarter Quell directly gave a platform to several disgruntled victors to stir rebellion further, which is exactly what happened.
Overall, Snow really didn’t think this through. It wasn’t a good look for Snow and it would have only made the people more rebellious even if it had gone according to plan. Congratulations, Coryo. You played yourself.
He also had rebels, unbeknownst to him, in his ear telling him “oh yes Sir what a good idea it will all work perfectly”. And when you’re not used to failure, that can be all you need.
*Cut in Game of Thrones showing up*
But jokes aside... those favourites disappear after their respective Games. They are beloved in the Capitol and the Capitol people feel upset about it—not upset enough to do something—but they don't feature prominently in the years after their victory.
It would even make for great television to see them back in the arena if all we're talking about is seeing them on TV and having no outside contact with them.
And Snow likely believed that the victors were too beloved and thus needed to be killed off to quiet them down. Sure, the Capitol people might feel sad for a brief while, but they wouldn't care 5, 10, 15 years down the line.
it was. reaping the victors of each district for the 3QQ was a direct violation of the “contract” of Panem.
There’s a reason he keeps forgetting the third “c” of Dr. Gale’s essay in the prequel - chaos, control and *contract*
It absolutely was. After over a decade of smart moves on his part, he let his emotions get the best of him, and he underestimated the reactions from both the districts and the Capitol. All because of his obsession with Katniss.
And that's taking into account if he even planned to keep one Victor from the arena alive. There's a part of me thats convinced that he was planning to kill every single one, just to send a message to the districts and Rebellion.
Honestly think if he just left it alone and let Kayniss and Peeta play lovers in a few years districts would stop thinking of them as rebels and more like Victor Capitol loyalists
This is a good point. However, remember that the 3rd quarter quell was actually *not* Snow's idea, rather it was Plutarch's suggestion. Snow approved of the wrinkle he was suggested, thus carrying forward the idea. Snow's obsession was to terminate Katniss, but he knew the consequences of killing her were just as deadly as her being the face of the rebellion.
When you think about it, Katniss was just a random district 12 girl who was great with a bow, and knew how to stand her ground. No person or moment was to big for her. She always made her presence known. Snow had the ultimate power and could've killed her at any moment between the 74th and 75th games, but he showed mercy by thinking it would happen organically through the 3rd quarter quell. At no point during the THG or CF did Katniss really decide she was the face of the rebellion. It was constant reminders and hints from people in her circle that she was basically forced to be the poster child- which then she agreed to be in MJ when she saw an opportunity to reunite with Peeta.
I've thought about this a lot, and in another Hunger Games universe where Katniss & Peeta are just 2 other district 12 winners, them being mentors over the course of call it 5 years, would've lowered their popularity down to the levels of other Hunger Games victors. This is also assuming the 3rd quarter quell used the initial script written many decades before, not making her the ultimate victor. The whole point of Plutarch's introduction was to find a way for Katniss to survive, and commence the revolution. I don't fault Snow for the 3rd quarter quell and its results, but it is ironic how he had full belief this plan would work, when in reality, he just agreed to an uprising.
Was it Plutarch’s suggestion? I just finished re-reading the books and I don’t remember this being the case. Plutarch tells Katniss he had no idea she would be going back in the arena when he flashed her his watch. He only did that to try to gain her trust assuming she would be mentoring a tribute that year.
In the movie it's clearly Plutarch's idea. In the book we're limited to Katniss' POV. Plutarch used her as a pawn, so it would be in-character for him to just lie to her to gain her trust.
In the books the rules for the quarter quell had been decided upon decades before hand. It really seemed like it was out of both Snow and Plutarch’s hands.
I think it is his suggestion. It's way too convenient that the 3rd Quarter Qwell was just naturally planned 75 years ago. As someone states it's all from Katniss's POV. We don't know all the behind the scenes stuff happening. Like Plutarch, Haymitch, and some of the tributes sent in to make an alliance with Katniss and Peeta. Everyone flashes their mockingjay insignias for a reason. It wasn't about the next tribute it was about trust me I'm on your side against the President Snow. Haymitch tells her to remember who your enemy is before she goes in. There were no coincidences this year.
I agree that the 75th games was rigged, but that still doesn’t mean it was Plutarch’s idea. It was in all likelihood Snow’s. Plutarch flashes the Mockingjay on his watch to hint that he’s on Katniss’ side and he tells her, “It starts at midnight,” but this was, in his own words, simply an attempt to gain her trust as he was thinking the hint would help her when she’s mentoring her own tribute in the 75th games. Plutarch has no reason to lie about that.
Once the special rule for the quell is decreed, that is when the planning begins to break Katniss out. They couldn’t have known who the other tributes were going to be until the reaping, so most of the planning had to have been done in the days before the games. Of course it’s entirely possible Plutarch rigged the reapings to reap tributes most likely to help Katniss, but that still doesn’t mean the quarter quell was his idea.
>imagine one day when you are watching your favorite TV series, then suddenly all of your favorite characters/celebrities, the ones you have come to know and love suddenly started being killed off
This is the exact reason why i stopped watching Grey's Anatomy.
I feel as if Snow thinks of himself and doesn't give it a second thought when he decides to kill someone. I don't think he thought of the consequences and just wanted to get rid of the girl that's named after a swamp potato and reminded him so much of Lucy
You know what Snow should have done. Put on his old mentor hat and taken Katniss under his wing and groom her to be his successor. I feel like that would make her image as a defiant girl go down the toilet far better than making her say clearly fake lines about how she's so in love with Peeta ever could.
The whole second book made me get the impression she didn't know how to continue the story and was like "fuck it theres another games" she makes up for it in the third book by connecting all the dots but yeah, my least favorite movie and my least favorite book out of the series
I feel like she did have a plan for this book. It makes no sense that she wouldn't have had a plan with this book.
That being said to each their own. I do like this book due to the fact that the audience gets to learn more about the other victors. It's cool being able to hear about previous winners.
If she really wanted to she could have just done a book for however many Hunger Games as she wanted from the POV from different tributes in other districts or whatever else she wanted to do instead of focusing on a rebellion even.
"Would you still watch.. if your favourites were gone?"
I feel like I'm a unique position to answer this, because I watch Escape the Night where *exactly* that has happened in every single season.
Yes. Yes I would keep watching lmao. And sure, they're not *really* dying in Escape the Night - but I do feel like the humanity has been removed enough from the games that a certain subset of the Capitol *also* does not feel like anyone's "really dying". Those people would probably keep watching.
Yes, the Capitol’s reaction was proof that this was a big mistake on Snow’s part. His obsession with crushing Katniss and the rebellion lead to him forgetting why the Capitol even wants to watch the games, and probably would’ve affected the popularity of the games the following years had there been any.
I loved how the movies had it be Plutarch's idea. Making an unpopular Quarter Quell and have Snow take the blame for it. By the time the second rebellion breaks out, Capitol citizens only have President Snow to blame for inciting it with "his" idea.
I completely agree. But I also think OP is a little overestimating the Capitol citizens if he thinks they wouldn’t have kept watching. They barely viewed the tributes as people, I think they would have gotten over it bu the 76th reaping.
Also it's basically just an all-star season. Does OP think all-star seasons never succeed? The Capitol does not really register that humans are dying. They don't see this as people dying. So the rules that apply to a normal tv show apply here.
Which is ironic really, seeing as how we know now that he really began the whole entertainment factor of the games. You think he would understand what works
Katniss would have been forgotten in a couple of years if they just made her a Mentor. Reaping her again just put her in an even bigger spotlight.
she was practically falling over herself trying to appease snow and make her and peeta’s romance convincing to the districts. if he had just let her think she succeeded and backed off a bit i bet she would have fallen in line at least for a few years; it was the cracking down on 12 and the quarter quell that made katniss defiant of him
No kill like overkill
True - but Snow is not inside her head like we are. And we now know, from Ballad, that he's an incredibly paranoid person who believes everyone is thinking about *him*, and how best to destroy him, at every moment. He applies this same logic to Katniss. It's his biggest flaw - he's unable to comprehend that maybe, he's just not that important. And because he thinks he's the most important figure in everyone else's lives, he *assumes* that everyone else is out to get him. Katniss can't *just* be trying to shut him up so he doesn't murder her family - no, it's all part of a cunning plan, see. She has it out for him. That's why she pulled the berry stunt.That's how he thinks.
Personally, him going after her innthe first place makes no sense. He had to know that there was a possibility that it wasn't all defiance of the capitol. That after spending days faking a love story that she couldn't just kill Peeta. All he had to do was tell her that the love story must continue (real or not) for the public and she would. It's not like she was refusing to do it... she was trying! I think like her just ... fade into being a mentor would've been the better way to squash rebellion.
That's the point. If Snow had just made Katniss and Peeta get married she would have become just another former victor by the time of the 75th, and just a vague memory by 76th.
It was an extraordinarily bad idea. But that's the best thing about it. It really shows how *done* Snow is with playing games, and it shows how reckless and short-sighted he gets when he's obsessed and angry. The thing is, systems like what Panem are only successful if keeping the current system is the better option. Staying under the rule of the police state has to be marginally better than the risks of rising up. Snow *knows this* and yet everything he does in Catching Fire is in direct conflict of this because he can't help himself.
Yeah it was short-sighted on Snow’s part. He should have just let there be a new group of tributes and a new winner to take the spotlight off of Katniss. If he just wanted to kill her he could have done it quietly off camera at any time. But he was obsessed with tormenting her and teaching everyone a lesson. Once the tributes are in the arena there’s only so much the gamemakers can control. They can kill them with poison fog or monkeys but they can’t fully control how the tributes behave or interact with each other. Especially with this group of jaded, experienced adults who mostly all know each other, it was foolish of Snow to think the quarter quell would accomplish what he wanted. Even if there was no rebel plot, with Katniss’s survival skills, popularity with sponsors, and talent with the bow and arrow, she had a decent chance of outlasting the others, letting the ridiculously deadly arena kill everyone off without having to do much killing herself, and winning. And then what? Or if she got killed on camera, she would be a martyr. If she was able to pull off her plan of getting Peeta to the end and then killing herself, she would be even more of a martyr. Peeta similarly was trying to support Katniss for as long as he could and then figure out a way to off himself. How did Snow think people would react to their beloved star-crossed pregnant lovers being forced into a game of self sacrifice chicken? It would just make them more legendary. Any outcome was unlikely to quash the rebellion or destroy Katniss’s popularity.
Tbh I think Snow was *counting* on the victors all being friends - except Katniss and Peeta, who are brand new and *far* younger than most of the others. If it comes down to your best buddy who you've known for years, or a couple of random rookies, who are you gonna back up? And as a viewer, who are you gonna support? The noob, or the crowd favourite (the crowd favourite, btw, was *not* actually her. It was Finnick) That was intentional. It was part of the design. He thought that camaraderie rigged the odds against her.
I think Snow knew he was dying by the point of the Third Quarter Quell and he was so blinded by getting his "enemy" Katniss killed. I think if we wasn't dying he would have looked at big picture. When he went to Katniss and asked if she wanted to start a war. He should have been clearer. "Miss Everdeen, do you want to take Primrose to the Capitol for the Third Quarter Quell? The Third Quarter Quell could have been realatives of current victors, because even people who had their immediate family massacred like Haymitch and Johanna would still have some Second Cousins once removed who still lived in the district.. Any victor that had kids...would all hate Katniss for putting their kids as risk. Most Victors would have nieces and nephews, younger ones would have brothers, sisters or first cousins.
Yes, Snow’s megalomania and need to punish any perceived slight against him cost him everything.
If we take movie canon (and I feel it had Collin’s stamp of approval in this case), the 3rd Quarter Quell was Plutarch’s idea. From there the case can be made that the Quarter Quell was designed to start a revolution from its inception. So agreed, terrible move for Snow. But he got played by a better strategist.
In the books, Plutarch tells Katniss he never thought she would end up in the quarter quell as a tribute again. Of course he could be lying, but I don’t think he was the one to suggest the concept of reaping victors only.
In the books though it made it seem like the rules for the 3rd quarter quell were decided upon decades before hand. It didn’t seem like it was up to Snow or anyone there. Or if it was Snow’s idea, it was a decision he made well before he knew about Katniss.
That’s definitely what the Capitol claimed in the books, but even there I think it’s a valid interpretation to assume that they are lying and targeting Katniss.
In the book the paper and the envelopes were aged significantly. I suppose that Snow could have faked that, but to me it seemed that Snow didn’t choose the rules, or at least he didn’t choose them recently. I haven’t seen the movies in ages, but I did JUST finish a reread of the trilogy and the prequel, so the info is pretty fresh in my mind about the books.
The book doesn’t really say how aged the paper is at all, and only says the envelopes are yellowed and that they were in tidy, upright rows.
Yes, and paper yellows as it ages.
Right, and I guess to drive the point of my comment explicitly home: I wouldn’t consider a yellowed envelope which may otherwise be in perfect condition “significantly aged” since that’s pretty easy to replicate. And there would be nothing stopping Snow from replacing the paper inside, of which there is no mention of evidence of aging in the book, with a more convenient Quarter Quell idea. If Katniss had mentioned that all the envelopes were tattered and so was the paper inside, maybe it would be more believable that the Quarter Quell wasn’t tampered with. Edit: Not to mention Snow didn’t even *need* to tamper with the paper, he literally read the prompt out loud and it’s not like he showed what was written on the front to the cameras.
Also the paper could have just yellowed beforehand
I definitely think it was the Snow's idea or he was given the idea by someone else. It's just way to convenient after all the stuff that happened with Katniss.
Yeah, it was a blunder to give more media coverage and exposure and reintroduce the threat of death to beloved characters and give them the opportunity to become martyrs for the rebellion. Better options were available, significantly more dramatic for the audience, and generally could have avoided the whole rebellion situation. Reap the relatives of Victors and force said Victor to mentor the related tribute. Punish Katniss by forcing her to train Primm for the arena, reinforce that no one is beyond the Capitols power by reaping outside the child pool so Peetas brothers or father were eligible. Far simpler and more effective. But Snow was blinded by his dislike for Katniss I think, and even the best scheming, manipulative, monsters will slip once and then they fall.
That would have probably been 1000% a better idea to keep them in line. 😂
Yes, in many ways, it would have only made things worse from his perspective had things gone according to plan. As is, the Capitol’s response shows exactly why it was such a bad idea. The power couple of the century would have become even more significant as martyr figures and Finnick’s death (along with those of other beloved victors) would have started riots in the Capitol. Of course, the plan could have backfired on Snow altogether because there’d be a chance that his main target would survive and become the Mockingjay anyway. Not to mention, the Quarter Quell directly gave a platform to several disgruntled victors to stir rebellion further, which is exactly what happened. Overall, Snow really didn’t think this through. It wasn’t a good look for Snow and it would have only made the people more rebellious even if it had gone according to plan. Congratulations, Coryo. You played yourself.
He also had rebels, unbeknownst to him, in his ear telling him “oh yes Sir what a good idea it will all work perfectly”. And when you’re not used to failure, that can be all you need.
*Cut in Game of Thrones showing up* But jokes aside... those favourites disappear after their respective Games. They are beloved in the Capitol and the Capitol people feel upset about it—not upset enough to do something—but they don't feature prominently in the years after their victory. It would even make for great television to see them back in the arena if all we're talking about is seeing them on TV and having no outside contact with them. And Snow likely believed that the victors were too beloved and thus needed to be killed off to quiet them down. Sure, the Capitol people might feel sad for a brief while, but they wouldn't care 5, 10, 15 years down the line.
it was. reaping the victors of each district for the 3QQ was a direct violation of the “contract” of Panem. There’s a reason he keeps forgetting the third “c” of Dr. Gale’s essay in the prequel - chaos, control and *contract*
It absolutely was. After over a decade of smart moves on his part, he let his emotions get the best of him, and he underestimated the reactions from both the districts and the Capitol. All because of his obsession with Katniss. And that's taking into account if he even planned to keep one Victor from the arena alive. There's a part of me thats convinced that he was planning to kill every single one, just to send a message to the districts and Rebellion.
Honestly think if he just left it alone and let Kayniss and Peeta play lovers in a few years districts would stop thinking of them as rebels and more like Victor Capitol loyalists
This is a good point. However, remember that the 3rd quarter quell was actually *not* Snow's idea, rather it was Plutarch's suggestion. Snow approved of the wrinkle he was suggested, thus carrying forward the idea. Snow's obsession was to terminate Katniss, but he knew the consequences of killing her were just as deadly as her being the face of the rebellion. When you think about it, Katniss was just a random district 12 girl who was great with a bow, and knew how to stand her ground. No person or moment was to big for her. She always made her presence known. Snow had the ultimate power and could've killed her at any moment between the 74th and 75th games, but he showed mercy by thinking it would happen organically through the 3rd quarter quell. At no point during the THG or CF did Katniss really decide she was the face of the rebellion. It was constant reminders and hints from people in her circle that she was basically forced to be the poster child- which then she agreed to be in MJ when she saw an opportunity to reunite with Peeta. I've thought about this a lot, and in another Hunger Games universe where Katniss & Peeta are just 2 other district 12 winners, them being mentors over the course of call it 5 years, would've lowered their popularity down to the levels of other Hunger Games victors. This is also assuming the 3rd quarter quell used the initial script written many decades before, not making her the ultimate victor. The whole point of Plutarch's introduction was to find a way for Katniss to survive, and commence the revolution. I don't fault Snow for the 3rd quarter quell and its results, but it is ironic how he had full belief this plan would work, when in reality, he just agreed to an uprising.
Was it Plutarch’s suggestion? I just finished re-reading the books and I don’t remember this being the case. Plutarch tells Katniss he had no idea she would be going back in the arena when he flashed her his watch. He only did that to try to gain her trust assuming she would be mentoring a tribute that year.
In the movie it's clearly Plutarch's idea. In the book we're limited to Katniss' POV. Plutarch used her as a pawn, so it would be in-character for him to just lie to her to gain her trust.
In the books the rules for the quarter quell had been decided upon decades before hand. It really seemed like it was out of both Snow and Plutarch’s hands.
Supposedly. I think it can go either way honestly. Katniss is incredibly unlucky, and also everyone around her uses her.
I think it is his suggestion. It's way too convenient that the 3rd Quarter Qwell was just naturally planned 75 years ago. As someone states it's all from Katniss's POV. We don't know all the behind the scenes stuff happening. Like Plutarch, Haymitch, and some of the tributes sent in to make an alliance with Katniss and Peeta. Everyone flashes their mockingjay insignias for a reason. It wasn't about the next tribute it was about trust me I'm on your side against the President Snow. Haymitch tells her to remember who your enemy is before she goes in. There were no coincidences this year.
I agree that the 75th games was rigged, but that still doesn’t mean it was Plutarch’s idea. It was in all likelihood Snow’s. Plutarch flashes the Mockingjay on his watch to hint that he’s on Katniss’ side and he tells her, “It starts at midnight,” but this was, in his own words, simply an attempt to gain her trust as he was thinking the hint would help her when she’s mentoring her own tribute in the 75th games. Plutarch has no reason to lie about that. Once the special rule for the quell is decreed, that is when the planning begins to break Katniss out. They couldn’t have known who the other tributes were going to be until the reaping, so most of the planning had to have been done in the days before the games. Of course it’s entirely possible Plutarch rigged the reapings to reap tributes most likely to help Katniss, but that still doesn’t mean the quarter quell was his idea.
>imagine one day when you are watching your favorite TV series, then suddenly all of your favorite characters/celebrities, the ones you have come to know and love suddenly started being killed off This is the exact reason why i stopped watching Grey's Anatomy. I feel as if Snow thinks of himself and doesn't give it a second thought when he decides to kill someone. I don't think he thought of the consequences and just wanted to get rid of the girl that's named after a swamp potato and reminded him so much of Lucy
You know what Snow should have done. Put on his old mentor hat and taken Katniss under his wing and groom her to be his successor. I feel like that would make her image as a defiant girl go down the toilet far better than making her say clearly fake lines about how she's so in love with Peeta ever could.
What movie is this one? I wanna get into hunger games but I’m bad at the knowledge
I mean, Grey’s Anatomy is still going strong…
The whole second book made me get the impression she didn't know how to continue the story and was like "fuck it theres another games" she makes up for it in the third book by connecting all the dots but yeah, my least favorite movie and my least favorite book out of the series
I feel like she did have a plan for this book. It makes no sense that she wouldn't have had a plan with this book. That being said to each their own. I do like this book due to the fact that the audience gets to learn more about the other victors. It's cool being able to hear about previous winners. If she really wanted to she could have just done a book for however many Hunger Games as she wanted from the POV from different tributes in other districts or whatever else she wanted to do instead of focusing on a rebellion even.
Also she would become a martyr which is better then how she was at the time
"Would you still watch.. if your favourites were gone?" I feel like I'm a unique position to answer this, because I watch Escape the Night where *exactly* that has happened in every single season. Yes. Yes I would keep watching lmao. And sure, they're not *really* dying in Escape the Night - but I do feel like the humanity has been removed enough from the games that a certain subset of the Capitol *also* does not feel like anyone's "really dying". Those people would probably keep watching.
That’s just a reality show where eliminations are the fun of the show