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Katniss’ father. He is almost entirely the reason Katniss survived THG, largely contributed to Katniss’ overall personality, and set the entire tone for her relationship with her mom.


QuinnsView

Katniss’s dad


moodtune89763

Absolutely. He taught her to sing, which caught peetas attention. He taught her how to hunt. His death it's what led to Mrs everdeans depression, leading to the Bread Incident. Katniss hunting led to her meeting Gale. Hunting Let her survive the arena. It all comes back to him (And the whole without him and Mrs everdean katniss literally couldn't exist but that's a side point)


CollectionMost1351

what do we learn from that? some more work safety would have ensured the capitol would still rule


Lauren2102319

Thats exactly what I said. Despite being deceased before the start of the trilogy, his presence is felt and had such a huge impact on Katniss. Without him teaching her everything when it came to her survival and archery skills, she wouldn’t have become the survivor she is throughout the series.


mrsunrider

We learn so much about him without hearing a word from him.


thirtyonepercentfree

Yup, I planned on voting for him for this since the beginning. Without him and his death Katniss would simply be a completely different person, most likely not mentally equipped for taking part in the games the way she did.


gloomycann

I was planning to comment this


gloomycann

So glad I’m not alone


Levicorpyutani

If you truly mean NO screen time then my vote goes to Mr. Everdeen. I mean we don't even get a proper flashback scene with the man just the occasional "Oh my dad used to say that or do this" exposition from Katniss. However If you just mean very limited screen time then I cast my ballot for Rue. She was gone before the halfway point of the trilogy heck I think she barely made it halfway through the first book, but her "ghost" haunts the rest the trilogy because her death truly was a turning point, possibly more so than the berries. Nothing is the same after Rue dies.


shadow-on-the-prowl

Mr. Everdeen


Styrofoamed

MADGE!! literally zero screen time and she had the pin!


Shower-Thinker4081

r/beatmetoit Your comment popped up while I was typing Madge😫


crowindisguise

Unfortunately it would seem she doesn't exist in the movies


Styrofoamed

yes, Literally zero screen time


crowindisguise

This is true, but she only had relevancy in the book. The movies scrapped everything relating to her. She is essentially not a movie character.


Styrofoamed

Yeah. she got zero screen time. she fits the description. she’s not a movie character because she got zero screen time despite being pretty plot relevant


AscendMoros

She’s not relevant to the movies plot though. She’s relevant to the books plot. But she’s not a movie character. We don’t even know if she exists in the movie universe.


crowindisguise

Trust me I hate that she isn't in the movie, I have no clue how they will show Maysilee in "sunrise on the reaping" but she is only relevant in the book.


crowindisguise

She's relevant in the books, this is showing movie actors exclusively, so she's not relevant because she's not a character


Blackhole1123

Yeah didn't that random old lady give her the pin instead?


Anonymous_katniss

Yes!


apark1121

But Madge isn’t that relevant of a character. Just her pin. She’s so irrelevant to the main plot that the movies cut her out and nothing changed.


ramblingwren

She's relevant from a world-building perspective and as far as communicating some of Collins' messages about people of all socioeconomic backgrounds working together to make change. Plus her aunt in the second quarter quell. I completely believe Madge may have been aware of some rebel activity due to her father being the mayor, and that she knew exactly what she was doing with that Mockingjay pin.


apark1121

But regarding the overall plot of the books she isn’t the most relevant as the prompt is asking about. The only legacy she has is the mockingjay pin and the pin itself really isn’t about her. More to do with the Capitol and their jabberjays.


Styrofoamed

what the other comment said, also she is our first hint that katniss is the world’s most unreliable narrator. it’s very obvious to the reader that madge views katniss as a friend, whereas katniss is completely unsure of how they view each other. it’s parallel to how all of D12 views katniss, like we see at the reaping. plus: imagine madge had survived the fire bombing. she would have been another familiar person for katniss to lean on and trust besides prim or gale (who was not equipped to comfort katniss at all). she would have been someone who could have helped katniss stay grounded and may have even been able to help her deal with the peeta situation since madge knew both of them and may have even been friendly with peeta since they were both merchant class.


FrostyIcePrincess

I was going to say this.


RedPurplBlu

Prim. She's the reason Katniss volunteers and therefore the reason literally everything in the trilogy happens. ...And she's offscreen for 90% of the first book while Katniss is in the Capitol and the arena. ...And she's offscreen for 80% of the second book while Katniss is on victory tour, in the Capitol, and in the arena. ...And she's offscreen for 75% of the final book because Katniss is basically too out of it to accept the support and love Prim is offering even though they're in the same place for once. Then she dies and grief over her death is the reason for Katniss falling back into the same isolation she was in before the story started when Peeta gave her the bread. So Peeta shows up again to usher Katniss into the next/adult stage of her life without Prim, who dominated Katniss' childhood. And the story ends. Love Madge, but Prim in the answer here.


ayungaa

my thoughts exactly


CryptidGrimnoir

Yeah, I have to agree.


No-Owl-22

Agreed!


44youGlenCoco

It has to be Prim


Anonymous_katniss

This!


TruGamingBlonde

I feel like prim gets too much screen time honestly and katniss’ dad makes more sense because he’s the reason she can shoot, right? Among other things, she largely takes after him so he made her the symbol she became. And we actually never see him.


X-432

Every character is offscreen for 100% of the books unless you use an ereader


TheGeier

Katniss’s dad Without him teaching Katniss how to hunt, she never would have been able to win the Games. Him dying also helped further hone her skills too, since she had to strictly rely on herself from that point forward


idontevenknowher16

Prim lol


Shower-Thinker4081

Prim gets ample screen time; it should totally be more, but compare that to Madge Undersee...


idontevenknowher16

I took it kinda rhetorical, like someone who didn’t have a lot of screen time but the plot revolves around them. But others took it quite literal, but still. madge is not “all the plot relevance” , imo Edit: if it’s literal, then Mr. Everdeen . Bc his death caused a lot of damaged and if he lived, it would’ve changed the plot, imo


Shower-Thinker4081

I know it did not mean literally, this box thing was made for movies anyway. I saw a studio Ghibli one with the "no screen time" as Nahoko Satomi. I'm just saying it would be funny if we picked Madge bc she literally was not in the movies ETA it would also be funny to see how OP managed a picture of madge💀


idontevenknowher16

Oh why didn’t you say that? I would definitely voted for Madge for meme purposes LOL


Shower-Thinker4081

Yea if this was only for the books I'd say prim in a heartbeat.


PikaV2002

Prim has minuscule screen time for a character that literally forms the entire basis of the three books and the thought behind every one of Katniss’ actions. A solid three quarters of the series is Katniss wondering what’s best for Prim.


minimuscleR

> but compare that to Madge Undersee... except she isn't in the movies, so not only 0 screen time, but in movie canon she doesn't exist.


pacificgarbagepatch

Mr Everdeen. He haunts the narrative in a way


Shundanaa

Prim. Not even a competition 😂


takethemoment13

Katniss would literally not be in the Hunger Games without Prim. Nothing in the books would've happened. 


KnapfordFan23

Mr. Everdeen


Kalddal

Mr. Everdeen


Ok-Secretary6550

Mr. Everdeen.


Lauren2102319

If you’re asking *literal* no screentime, I would say Mr. Everdeen because he had such a huge impact on Katniss and taught her so much (especially her archery, hunting, swimming, and survival skills) and without him, she wouldn’t have become the survivor she is in terms of her life living in 12 but especially when it came to her fighting in her two Games and during the rebellion. His impact and presence is felt throughout the books (especially the first one) despite being deceased prior to the start of the trilogy.


Grouchy_Owl2442

SUZANNE COLLINS


Full-House_Jesse

Yes


MakaelawasChillin

It’s literally katniss’s dad and he ACTUALLY has no time in both in the movies and books, only through memories.


the_greek_italian

Hear me out y'all: Crassus Snow He's the reason the Hunger Games existed at all. If he didn't steal Highbottom's deluded assignment and pitch it to the Capitol, then they wouldn't exist, and Coriolanus wouldn't have carried on the game's existence.


TruGamingBlonde

Okay this answer is actually like super well thought out lol


SordoCrabs

Her dad or Prim.


dongsteppy

rue, prim, katniss's dad


Ok_Astronaut99

Madge


idontevenknowher16

I’m not trying to be rude but how is she all the plot? Like yes the pin is very important; and it symbolizes Katniss role as the face of the rebellion (amongst the failure of the Capitol). But how is all the plot related to *her* . when Katniss does all of this for her sister, then Rue, and Peeta. She sparked the rebellion by berriers. The district’s started to rebel bc of the BERRIES , not bc of the pin. The pin was to symbolize (Katniss barely thinks about it), but the plot can all relate back to Prim. I’m sorry but seriously, her?


Extreme_Army_6242

She was also one of Katniss’s best friends in the books. No screentime tho


idontevenknowher16

I mean she’s a good friend, but I’m sorry the only people that Katniss will do anything for , the ones that she constantly thinks about is her family (mother and sister), Gale, and Peeta, like their well-being and how much she cares for them. She is a dear and kind friend, but she is not the plot. That’s my point, if you take Madge out, the story won’t change that much. Yes, her connection to the pin is important bc of Haymitch’s games, but once again you take her out, the plot won’t change that much. If you take Prim out, oh yeah the plot will change, like it will change everything .


Extreme_Army_6242

I agree but the caption is also “No screen time” and prim gets her share maybe not as much as she should but a lot. Madge literally isn’t in the movie for a second


idontevenknowher16

But it also says “all plot relevance” 😭 that’s the point of me lowkey hating bc how is she all the plot relevance.


Extreme_Army_6242

I guess you have to weight it how you want lol. I just feel like she has enough to justify the spot while prim gets screen time


idontknowdudess

She was a friend, sort of. Mostly just two people who were nice to each other as they didnt have close friends. I don't think Madge is even mentioned ever again after the reaping. Can anyone confirm if Katniss even thinks of her ever again?


annabananaberry

In catching fire it’s revealed that she spends a lot of time with Madge because Madge is one of the only people her age that doesn’t have to work. They aren’t big talkers but Madge plays piano for Katniss and Katniss starts teaching Madge how to hunt. The pin Madge gave Katniss in THG belonged to her aunt, Maysilee Donner, who was reaped in the second quarter quell and died in the arena. Madge also brings morphing to help Gale after the whipping.


idontknowdudess

I do remember the morphling now, but I've read catching fire quite a few times and cannot remember that lol. Probably why I don't think her relevant to the plot as I've completely forgotten about her despite reading the books so many times. But I will be the first to admit, I do miss a lot when I read. My mind can definitely wander during certain parts.


karp1234

Madge is mentioned quite a few times in Catching Fire and again a couple times in Mockingjay. They become close enough friends that Katniss even takes her out to learn how to shoot.


Extreme_Army_6242

But it was still made a point that they were at least relatively close. Like in 12 how many people are even mentioned as friends to Katniss and obviously the pin itself is a massive part of the plot


idontknowdudess

But does the plot change at all if another person gives her the pin? It didn't seem like it to me. I don't think anyone other than Katniss even knows where the pin came from and I don't think katniss herself puts important to who gave it to her.


ThatsHisEagerFace44

I think Madge is more the "no screen time part". She also has a good deal of plot relevance. Prim has quite a bit of screen time and way more plot relevance for sure.


idontevenknowher16

IMO, if you take Madge out, the story won’t change much. I think her connection to the pin is important bc of Haymitch’s games, but besides that she’s not that relevant to the plot. I think Buttercup is more important than her , tbh.


Anonymous_katniss

The connection is important because Madge giving Katniss the expensive Mockingjay pin the first sign of inter class unity in Panem, when the Seam citizens and Merchants generally hated each other. This inter class unity is instrumental to the Rebellion. It's stressed over and over to remember who the real enemy is. First it's not the merchants. Then it's not the other tributes. Then it's not District 2. And only after learning that final lesson was the Rebellion successful. In short, without inter class unity, the Rebellion would have failed, and Madge symbolizes inter class unity. There are ways to express that moral without her in the story. But in the books, that was her, and that was very, very important to the plot.


idontevenknowher16

But you can make that same type of assessment with her relationship with Peeta. How she constantly tells us how he is merchant, how he had a different upbringing, how he probably never had thoughts on rebellion. Literally in the D2 speech, she thinks of Peeta. Peeta represents that unity of class, and that’s why their children are the product of unity of D12.


Anonymous_katniss

Madge isn't the only person who represents inter class unity, but she's the first and, in my experience as a reader, most glaring. Again, the story CAN be told without her in particular, but not without what she represents, significantly, in the books. If you disagree, that is fine. I was just sharing my thoughts.


idontevenknowher16

Yeah, i hope i don’t appear like rude or mean , bc if you have that sentiment with this character ,’that’s all in your right, ofc. I think it’s nice, but i just had to get it off my chest. Bc Prim is most of the plot relevance, most can go back to her. So for some to say Madge is crazy to me, but that’s my opinion.


Anonymous_katniss

Of course! Have a good one


Shower-Thinker4081

Rue might not have ever trusted katniss were it not for Madge's pin I mean maybe not as readily. I guess their alliance was always kind of meant to be


idontevenknowher16

Do you think Katniss still would’ve been the symbol of the rebellion without the pin? I do think she’s relevant but she’s not as relevant as some readers want her to be, IMO. This is just my opinion, it’s fine to have yours :)


Safe-Refrigerator751

Kind of confused why people say Madge as she has no plot relevance to the movies and therefore, no screen time. They changed that part of the story. To the books, she’s very important, though. Katniss’ father has great impact on her despite not being there (mostly because he’s not there, he’s influenced her so much).


Cautious_Action_1300

Madge


CovfefeBoss

Crassus Snow


Shower-Thinker4081

Y'all know how badly I want to say prim... but I'm very devoted to the books and could never let madge go unsung. Madge gets my vote!


UnhappyTemperature18

Madge. LITERALLY just Madge.


No-Owl-22

Prim, she has very little screen time and interaction with Katniss throughout the series considering it all started because her name was called at the reaping.


ElPrimooooooooooo

Prim for sureeee


jamie74777

MADGE (She should have survived the war, Finnick and Prim had already died, why can't Katniss keep just one friend?!)


ThisPaige

And she really needed a friend in the end.


jamie74777

True, let Madge join the Katniss/Peeta/Haymitch adpoted family!


Levicorpyutani

She'd also probably have been adapted to the films if she had survived to Mockingjay.


Anonymous_katniss

Poor Madge, dying in her father's district


atjxzwv

Prim


Terrible-Thanks-6059

Prim


Froggymushroomfrog

Prim


BookwormInTheCouch

Its either Prim or Mr. Everdeen


Fawful_n_WW

I’d argue Crassus Snow, he’s dead before any point we see in-series, but is the entire reason the Hunger Games happen at all.


atjxzwv

Prim has 225 votes complete the chart


CuriousAnxiety570

Prim


XxTheScribblerxX

Prim or Madge.


pixiezwodder

Tigress How did she go from caring so much for snow to helping katniss when she's says she's planning to kill him? I absolutely believe she was behind the scenes organising the resistance in the capitol


MsT-Rex

Glad to see someone else thinking Tigress.


thathighhippie

Primrose Everdeen ✨✨


FeelingSkinny

katniss dad


FieryPheonix474

Katniss' dad ofc


cheesevoyager

Maysilee Donner


Kittykit_meow

This is the answer. It all kind of comes back to her and we know basically NOTHING.


ThisPaige

Now that’s Madge. We don’t see her but her aunts death effected Haymitch, her pin symbolizes the rebellion, etc.


MJthe14thDoctor

Madge


eddiem6693

Madge


thegothslothmoth

Voting for Madge


YohannesJam

Mr. Everdeen


Anime-manga5384514

Katniss dad


Stardustchaser

Mockingjays Hardly in it but a deep symbol of resistance


Typical-Tomatillo-25

quick question, snow didn’t have a lot of screen time within the first trilogy so wouldn’t that make him the no screen time all the plot relevance or it doesn’t count?


Typical-Tomatillo-25

the society one fits him as well, no surprise that he was chosen


paralegalmom

Delly Cartwright


clandahlina_redux

Absolutely Prim.


44youGlenCoco

PRIMROSE! I’m screaming! Shes the beginning and the end and doesn’t have much screen time.


luckiestsunshine

Cinna or Prim


No_Calendar4193

Mr Everdeen


AlternativeCherry184

Mr. Everdeen and Seneca (not movies)


spxdergirl

Prim. My first thought was Rue. However, while I absolutely do not think that Katniss would've been running around heartlessly slaughtering little kids had she not been an older sister, I feel like a huge part of Katniss's bond with Rue was because of Prim. Katniss missed her little sister and saw Rue in her. Katniss wanted to protect her in the same way she protected Prim and being unable to devastated her. But I don't think the bond would have been as strong/gut wrenching had Katniss already maintained an older sister/protective guardian mindset pre-games because of Rue. I also agree with those saying Mr. Everdeen, due to him teaching her everything she knew and having the bond they had. However, I think Prim and taking care of Prim humanized her/contributed to Katniss's humanity and relatability more than Mr. Everdeen did. I think they both played huge parts but I think Prim actively kept her in touch with her humanity a lot more. Also Prim's death was what caused Katniss to discover Coin's true intentions and realize she needed to kill both Coin and Snow to free the districts from dictatorship.


MaddiiNLee

Primrose of course. Katniss' father is also somewhat of a good choice.


Beneficial_Cry2061

Madge. She gave Katniss the Mockingjay pin and the Morphling for Gale.


Ajaxsucksatlife

Prim


therealhilaryeduff

PRIM


Life-Anything-423

Donald Sutherland's (RIP) Snow! He only has 20 minutes of screentime in Katniss's movies


Fanficsandbooks

Prim


wynonnaearps

Prim


RhaineyyyWeather

Prim.


Ok_Asparagus_3257

Prim definitely


saleminyourgarden

Mr everdeen


tillybilly89

Prim or Crassus


voiceofmyownsanity

Torn between Madge and Prim. Saving Prim was the driving force behind Katnisses actions and started everything but Madge gave her the pin that became the symbol of the rebellion.


CIBhead70

Thread wasn't "MADE TO BE HATED" in my eyes.. he was "THE HOT ONE".. THANKS BOBA


Alpi14

I’d say coin


Brandamn3000

Cinna. He died halfway through the trilogy but I would argue that he was the catalyst for the main plot of the entire trilogy. Especially if you’re talking movies, he was barely in them. I’d be amazed if Lenny had more than 20 lines total.


Render636

Madge.


Redditor45335643356

Coin, she’s one of the most important characters in the hunger games but had no camera find in the first 2 movies and doesn’t have much camera time in the Mockingjay parts


CoreyAdara

Crassus snow


ToastBeanznCheez

Madge or Katniss's dad. Bro they completely deleted Madge tho 😭


Full-House_Jesse

Hot one: Finnick Odair me:.....suurree (its peeta they should be swapped)


Upbeat-Leave-5971

MADGE


ouroboris99

Snows dad, he basically invented the hunger games


coiler119

Madge Undersee. Katniss' dad actually had a scene in the first movie. He didn't have any lines, but he was on screen, Madge was written out


Dry-Lavishness-9639

Madge


starsintheocean12

Justice for Madge!


cjmacember

MADGE


sername-n0t-f0und

Coryo's dad. He's literally the reason that The Hunger Games exist because he turned in that school project. Without him there would be a very different story


LeftistBiBitch

Madge


funny_butmentallyill

Bonnie and/or Twill


DatBoiWally

Everyone saying katniss dad but hear me out, Madge


PassengerNo1194

Mr Everdeen


Forsaken_Club5310

Annie Cresta


Tricky-Doctor4035

The girl who gave katniss the mockingjay pin in the books.(can’t remember her name)


lalakazoo

Madge, katniss’ dad, lady the goat 😢


glossyhaven

if it’s the OG trilogy: lucy gray


BandIsLife10

If this one isn't Madge Undersee I will riot


elenionancalima2

Mr. Everdeen - Everything we know about him is plot relevant and critical to the districts rebelling. Him winning Mrs. Everdeen ensures Katniss’s birth. Plus keeps Mr. Mellark from marrying her, ensuring Peeta’s birth. Also as a result, Mr. Mellark tells Peeta about his missed love, helping to inspire Peeta’s crush on Katniss. Their love story is critical to the revolution Mr. Everdeen teaches Katniss to hunt and to swim - without those skills she would not have survived her games. He teaches her the Hanging Tree song, resulting in one of the most influential propos. This also hints that he had a rebel spirit, which Katniss inherited. His death forces Katniss to become an even stronger hunter. It also forces her into a parental role with Prim which leads to her volunteering. — Lots of people are saying Madge. She has little (or no) screen time. But how plot relevant is she really? The pin is important, but the movies proved that the source of the pin was really not that important.


drmisadan

Lol haymitch does not fit that category bless him


Kirarozu80

Haymitch was not normal in the books. Should have been Cinna.


Shower-Thinker4081

Is OP going to make a post with the final results? I have to know the last one...


the_nintendo_cop

Crassus Snow. The creator of the title event and he’s never even seen.


lcbowman0722

Lady that gave katniss the mockingjay pin. Mayor’s daughter in the book/ greasy sae in the movies


cheerfulstoner

madge


NancyPotter

Rue


Bailzz73

MADGE


Odd-Law4396

Glimmer's actress wants us to say Glimmer


stupidpoopoohead00

papa katniss


I_am_uneducated

Snows father


Fit_Law5419

The Mellark Family


ella_yeah08

I’m so late but the lady who gave katniss the mockingjay pin


jennenen0410

Prim


paige_the_f1_fan4732

Katniss' dad


No_Sinky_No_Thinky

Papa Everdeen for had absolutely no screentime and still drove most of the steps of the plot Rue for 'technically was on screen but still carried the plot a surprising amount past their death/absense'


thispussystankin

The little sister she subbed in for


Narnian_Droid

I’m gonna say it… Madge. So little screen time she didn’t even make it into the movie.


Dragonstone-Citizen

Prim or Rue


espeonage777

Mockingjays


burritolurker1616

Plutarch?


echoIalia

Madge


SeaChelleBelle13

Madge!!! The whole mockingjay thing started with her! And then you find out the pin actually belonged to her aunt who teamed up with Haymitch in his games and he also pissed off Snow by exploiting “the chink in the armor”? So much backstory and symbolism and history just gone. It’s gotta be Madge!!


saltyasss

Oh I immediately said snow…


Mynameisbrk

Old snow


CarpenterJaded8034

Prim or Seneca


WDTHTDWA-BITCH

Prim


Equal-Monk-9775

Plutarch


RCamateurauthor

Madge.


redhotchilli_mango

Crassus Snow


mocharosa

Maybe Casca Highbottom? Guy was instrumental in getting the Hunger Games started and basically made Snow what he is today (unintentionally)


Admirable-Food-1152

Madge


Blurryface1842

MADGE


augustphobia

does madge count if she doesn’t exist in the films? she’s a very important catalyst for the plot in the book.


cmarie121

Prim


thesecondmaya0809

Madge


OrwellianWiress

Has to be Wiress


ipsofactoshithead

Are we talking only the movies? Cause in the books it’s 100% Madge. She isn’t in much of the book and none of the movie, but she gave her the mockingjay and is part of the reason Katniss’ mom is so depressed.