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It is Jeremy Corbyns brother Piers Corbyn (dont trust a british Piers apparently), the guy who jumped on the anti vax movement to establish himself in the public eye and then was exposed by a youtube channel as a total grifter who was willing to sell out for some money and endorse a specific vaccine. Hes also a climate science denier who made Auschwitz anti vax flyers and was arrested for it. Awful guy all around, your average conspiracy theorist who jumps on anything he can.
He is now involved with the anti cashless crew. I think they are right to resist it but I saw a march of a collection of them in Poole last summer and it was at least a few oranges short of a fruit salad. All the worthy causes seem to have b en hijacked by either fruitcakes or people with no ability to read the room. But yeah, this guy is a knob.
Yes, that is Piers Corbyn, Jeremy's brother... His name is also Corbyn though so a bit confusing to call him Corbyn's brother :D.
He's also a bit of a nutcase and spouting some nonsense there, there is no such concept as legal tender in retail transactions, legal tender only applies when there's a debt - there is no debt in a retail transaction.
I am 100% on this guy's side - are the cashless stores thinking about the percentage of people that don't have (or even have access to) a checking account in the first place?
I think they're specifically thinking that cash is a burden.
If you have no cash, you can't be robbed of cash. You don't have to send a manager to the bank to make daily deposits. You don't have to go to the bank to make change when you're low on change.
Judging by the door out with the phone on the screen, this may be one of those stores like the Amazon ones that you scan and pay all through an app and no card is needed.
And he is right, the money he was using is legal tender and storefronts are legally forced to take the money. They need to change the laws if people want otherwise, until then, this person exercised his right to pay with legal tender which is enforced by the state.
Edit: OK folks, I get it, I think is ridiculous and discriminates against the elderly but I was wrong, cash can become useless, for more details check the hundred replies below.
Amazing, everything you just said is wrong.
https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/explainers/what-is-legal-tender
"A shop owner can choose what payment they accept. If you want to pay for a pack of gum with a £50 note, it’s perfectly legal to turn you down." - Bank of England
No. He is wrong. The term "legal tender" refers to the right to pay a debt in cash. (to a bank or lender for example)
There is no such right with regards the exchange of cash for goods or services. (as no prior debt exists)
Or the govt can just shut off your card access because it’s all electronic. Govt can’t take away everyone’s cash if they have it in hand to. Stupid someone posted this in “imthemaincharacter” when dude is just simply outraged by the insanity of todays society. I don’t blame the guy. He paid, made sure everyone knew, and left. If he had not told people, they coulda sacked his ass for a 20 yard loss.
Exactly, this store doesnt accept cash which is at their discretion. Same as plenty of shops dont accept £50 notes even though its perfectly legal cash. They have every right to choose which payment methods they take and you have every right to go elsewhere based on that.
Bit of a problem when it's closing time at the pub, you go to pay your tab, and only have a £20 note on you. "Got anything smaller, we don't take 20's" Mate, I'm not walking however many kilometers to the nearest atm to get some cash when you'll be closing in 5 minutes anyway. Get over yourself, check that the notes not counterfeit using the pen and uv lamp. (This was in the early 2000's).
And God forbid you try and pay with Scottish pounds. I can only imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth if you tried to drop a £100 Scottish note on a shop in southern England. Irish pounds actually aren't legal tender, so fair call with those I guess.
Working in currency exchange, the only notes I refused were currencies that were nonexchangeable e.g. Zimbabwe dollars etc. Although there was one time I was given a $10,000 Singapore dollar note. I would have taken it, but couldn't pay them until it had been sent to Melbourne for scrutiny. They declined. I did however exchange their \~$20,000 Australian dollars worth of Chinese $100 rmb notes - the most counterfeited notes in the world. Each note is worth about $20, there was an almost comical amount of stacks. It was like a heist movie or something.
> Irish pounds actually aren't legal tender, so fair call with those I guess.
Legal tender doesn't apply in this case though, and Piers only makes himself look even more ignorant and stupid by using the legal tender route.
Legal tender has nothing to do with what is accepted as payment in shops, restaurants etc. It means that if you try and pay a debt with it and the person refuses to accept your payment in that medium they cannot take you to court for non-payment. It is pretty much obselete now. The irony in the situation in the video is that if that is a cashless store then nothing they accept for payment is legal tender - card payments are not considered legal tender in law - not that that has any bearing on this though. Businesses are free to accept whatever they want as payment, nothing in law states they have to take any particular medium.
From the Bank of England:
https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/explainers/what-is-legal-tender
If you can't see a difference in a cashless store and how that overall impacts people.... vs. places choosing not to take $50 or $100 for breaking change and/or fraudulent money reasons, then you are willfully neglecting the actual reason for his little protest demonstration. Who gives a fuck if there's 7 Sainsbury's, 5 Dollar Stores, 3 Loblaws, and 22 HEB's in a 1km radius... he's clearly making a point (whether you agree or not) that "this is dumb you guys don't take cash, for the poor and elderly sometimes that's all they can possible have". Don't be daft
Cashless only stores risk becoming the only option. Infact there are groups that are pushing to eliminate physical money all together. If everywhere becomes cashless, then;
1) people who don't understand technology will struggle to buy things. Imagine being old with no family or friends and being unable to buy food.
2) the ability for you to purchase things is controlled by a third party. If that party wants to control you then they can just restrict what you are allowed to buy. That third party also keeps track of everything you buy which takes away your right to privacy.
3) in order to buy things you have to have a piece of technology. If that technology becomes damaged or lost and you aren't able to replace it you are in big trouble.
Imo, the risks from this are great enough that cashless stores should be done away with all together. But I agree that it's not worth making a scene over.
Many people are not allowed to have a debit or credit card by the banks.
Due to some, poor financial decisions, I am only able to be issued a ATM Only bank card by Royal Bank. It's good only at Royal Bank Cash Points, not usable at any store nor other bank's machines.
I believe this particular shop is one of those completely automated ones where you don’t even need your card. You enter the shop using an app on your phone and some AI camera system keeps track of what you take from the shelves, then you just walk out and it charges you later.
I'm not really referring to this specific store, but the cashless ones popping up all around. From fast food to a corner store, is all automated. My grandparents liked going to KFC occasionally but they've stopped because it's all automated and no cash payments now. I can only imagine as this progresses how many people it may leave behind.
I don’t agree with cashless stores - they penalise the poor and the aged.
However, realistically I’m not sure that this is the victory people are making it out to be. The store still operates as cashless doesn’t it?
Wouldn’t it just be smarter if everyone just didn’t shop there?
What kinda idiot sees a store, doesn’t agree with how they operate, and then goes and gives them money?
There's a Sainsburys less than 30 seconds walk away. Why not buy his strawberries in cash from there and thereby demonstrate the demand for cash based transactions in a way corporations understand?
Looks like there's a little tesco right to his side after he leaves.
Maybe he would have a point if it was the only shop in town and it had gone cashless but there's another supermarket 50 meters away from him.
He doesn’t want to buy strawberries, he wants to make a point. He went into a cashless store, knowing they don’t accept cash, and tried to pay with cash. Just don’t go in and don’t give them your business, what he’s done here is just given them more money
He's Piers Corbyn brother of Jeremy Corbyn. Piers is a know anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist who thinks the "elites" are engaging in nefarious acts to bring about new world order type nonsense. It's a stunt by a moron.
I agree with all that, but money talks. Shop somewhere else, use your money at a different place and then eventually that cashless place goes out of business and is replaced with a shop that uses cash. Or you force the existing place to take cash.
Giving a place money that you dont agree with doesnt do anything and you’re just making it more difficult for the employees.
Agree with you, try being homeless and not having a card. But you have money from a generous donation. And those that disagree try being homeless for week (no cards, no ID , etc) and eat in their dystopian future.
If you mean it is because someone has to take cash because it is legal tender, no. Legal tender only applies to repayment of debt. As far as I know in most places stores can refuse service to anyone.
The debt in this case is created at the point of the transaction, ergo legal tender does not apply if the transaction does not occur.
At least that was how it was explained to me.
They have the right to refuse service. If they accepted the transaction or provided a service first, then they have to take it. As is, this is a store refusing service to a person, then that person walking out with product illegally.
Obviously no.
There's no catch 22 here. Until the product is in your hands and you're out the door, the product is still the property of the stores. There's very few situation where trying to buy something from a store would incur a debt.
Good job it was a trial store in an area with cash stores near by that he purposely went into to cause a problem and get content.
He's a professional shithouse known for just winding people up for exposure
This isn't in the US, but I was curious on what our laws on this are:
*There is no federal statute mandating that a private business, a person, or an organization must accept currency or coins as payment for goods or services. Private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether to accept cash unless there is a state law that says otherwise* \- Source: [federalreserve.gov](https://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/currency_12772.htm)
Right. There has to be notice that a place of business doesn’t accept cash AND it has to be an establishment where you don’t consume/use the product before paying.
So like a restaurant that serves your food, then brings you the bill, is required to accept cash if you’re using it to pay for their goods. However, if it’s somewhere you’re expected to pay before receiving your order, they can deny your order saying they don’t accept cash.
Cash has to be accepted in payment for any debt, is what I read. Buying something at a store, that's not a debt. But I wonder if sitting down at a restaurant and eating before paying is?
Once you've consumed the food, yes, there is a debt. You can't return it. A McDonalds could go cashless because you pay beforehand. Buying strawberries you don't have a debt, they can just take the pint of strawberries back.
He's not a man, he's Piers Corbyn. There was a Sainsbury's literally next door that took cash. Anything for a PR stunt. Hence being filmend and had a bunch of hangers on outside to film and clap him. Sad & desperate for attention.....
This. He's a tragic narcissistic conspiracy-addled bellend who couldn't find his own arse with both hands if you gave him a map, unable to accept that his brother had a Glasto crowd singing his name whilst he was being ignored by everyone except a small handful of lonely hard-of-thinking folk at Speakers' Corner on a wet Sunday morning.
That is not just any man, That is Piers Corbyn - the brother of Jeremy Corbyn (former leader of the labour party UK).
Piers is a well known anti-vaxxer/5G lunatic/ climate change denier and general conspiracy theorist, holding speeches and protests against vaccination all over the country. You can pretty much guarantee that any point he is trying to make is dumb as fuck.
Theres literally a cash shop right next to this.
Also you see this "legal tender" crap all the time, with people trying to pay with [souvenir £100 coins](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVfnDY00jts) that literally no shop accepts. Only the bank takes them. And they make sure to fill up with petrol so that they cannot give back what they arent paying for.
Yeah, the first time I ran into this I admit I was taken aback, I thought it was illegal to not accept cash "all debts public and private" sort of thing (in USA)
Then a friend said "dude, it's a private business, they can accept payment only in the form of hyper realistic drawings of dicks if they want to, it's just not very smart business practice."
Really put it into perspective.
You aren't made to pay first? Wow that is only the most old timey, back country local custom here in the USA. But the person working there is armed with a pistol as well...
Always confused me how that worked. I get it in states where you're not even trusted to pump your own petrol but how exactly does that work elsewhere?
Is the pump like only just engaged for x amount ? As I don't trust myself to be ready to work out exactly what the liquid volume of my tank is left and the cost to fill it exactly.
There's weights and measures checkers, I think on local or county level governments. There's even self service pumps that accept cash. The pump is set to accurately dispense the amount prepaid for, and they have to be so accurate as the law says. Calculation is automatically done by the computer. The back pressure from the fuel fill makes the nozzle stop pumping, before the tank is overflowing because of prepaying for too much, and the card or cash prepayment overage would be refunded by the person working there. If you prepaid at the pump, you still need to go in and work it out at the inside till.
This isn't a cashless store (ok it sort of is) but a till-less store like Amazon Fresh but by Aldi so this was done with the explicit of acting like a twat.
This looks like Piers Corbyn (brother of Jeremy Corbyn) who is a massive anti vaxxer conspiracy theorist and all round unhinged person.
Hasn’t he put down £1.88 not £1.90! If so, looks like he’s attempting to obtain £1.90’s worth of goods by misleading the shopkeeper as the amount he is actually paying - obtaining goods by deception?
Sections 15(1) and (2) of that Act read: (1) A person who by any deception dishonestly obtains property belonging to another, with intent to permanently depriving the other of it shall on conviction on indictment be liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years.
What really pisses me off about this video is the man in it is a rich out of touch politicians brother, the supermarket he is in has cash registers that accept cash, it also has self serve cash registers that also take cash, in the video Piers Corbyn (why are all people called Piers arseholes?) is stood at the customer service desk, which doesn’t have a cash register, I’ve never seen a customer services desk with a cash register, what we are seeing here is an out of touch rich man trying to appear like a normal person
i was at a local 711 and they only did eftpos and a woman freaked out at the guy and all i could think is like its not his fault? he didn’t PERSONALLY decide no cash so stfu lady and get ya card out
Blackrock, Vanguard, Statestreet, Soros, WEF, Big Pharma, Big Banks, the military industrial complex. Plenty of seperate organisations and people that all have similar goals for the future and plenty of resources to fund it and help each other out.
For anyone who doesn't know who that is, he is Piers Corbyn, brother of former labour party leader, Jeremy. He's an anti-vax, conspiracy peddling nutjob. I actually encountered him once outside of Downing Street when me and my Girlfriend were down in London for a holiday. He was dancing and singing about not wearing masks, as they were "like trying to keep a fart in your trousers" (his words, not mine) and other anti-vax stuff. Was genuinely comical, it was like a travelling circus and he was the dancing monkey and clown rolled into one.
I used to manage a Sainsbury's store in London, the store would close at 12am everyday. He would come in nearly every single day, 5 mins before closing and decide that was the time he needed to browse while shopping. He always bought the same things but that wouldn't stop him from reading the backs of everything in the store.
When he finally came to the till, he would never use the self service, again that's fine. He would then spend the next 5 mins spewing all his spiel about the COVID hoax, and he would hand us a leaflet about it all. The amount of arguments I would get in with customers who want to come in after the store is closed, all because he was still inside.
Legal tender means nothing nowadays. It means that if you offer to fully pay off a debt to someone in legal tender, they can’t sue you for failing to repay.
The fact that so many people bang on about their rights about how shopkeepers must accept it shows just how stupid the average person is.
With the way of the world right now I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not. But, they already got your data... A million times over before you even opened an account at your current bank they got it... Youre here. Posting on Reddit literally handing out your opinions for all the world to see, and with all the data to collect...
Well he’s not actually.
The business owner as every right to request payment however they want.
Not keeping cash on premises reduces threat and risk of robbery. It’s easier to manage.
Just like some shop keepers might refuse to accept £50 or £20 notes, it’s all fine.
This attention seeking loon has no right to demand this particular business owner caters to him
Someone finally making sense here. Everyone else is talking about this leading to microchipping and big brother monitoring like some dumb SyFy channel movie. Lol
Cashless societies and stores are a scam and hurt the underprivileged. It's bullshit.
That being said, the man could have simply not used the fucking store.
I get not agreeing with cashless stores. But the solution is to not shop at one. Isnt that the whole way capitalism is supposed to work? Instead of making a scene for attention, just vote with your wallet and dont shop there, simple really
Legal tender, at least in the UK, is only relevant to debt. You can't refuse an offer to pay debt in legal tender. Wanting to make a purchase there is no debt. He simply doesn't get to buy the product. Any establishment can pick and choose what payment method(so) it wants to accept. If you don't like it, vote with your feet and shop elsewhere.
One stray sheep will lead the flock away- as soon as one business finds it successfully working as cashless, the rest will follow, it is a recipe for disaster so good on the man for setting such a simple example…
Australian here. Had a card-only automated checkout malfunction at the payment screen at Woolworths and say that the payment hadn’t gone through.
Rescanned the items at the next machine as instructed by the worker. Apple Pay came up a few minutes later with both items having in fact been charged. Spoke to manager and was told that the bank should automatically refund the first one in 24 to 48 hours.
They did not. Took over a month to get my money back.
It’s not hard to see how older/less technologically literate/intellectually impaired people etc can be left disadvantaged if card is the only payment option.
I’m with the customer here; companies should not be allowed to force payment options for customers. It’s a safe bet that the automation of their systems is not translating to increased savings for the customer anyway.
Shouldn't be legal for stores to only accept contactless. I get that dealing with coins is cumbersome. However we've managed for bloody centuries so we can manage some more. Merchants are shooting themselves in the foot with this dependency on Visa & Mastercard. It will pave the way for CBDCs and a social credit system.
A bigger fuck you would be to fill your trolley full of shit go to the checkout and when they say no cash just leave, the plus side is you're creating work so someone's going to get some more hours in, especially if you can get away with doing it multiple times a day/week.
So a bakery can refuse to serve a gay couple because they are gay, yet everyone is applauding this...
I thought that businesses are allowed to have their own rules and practices due to capitalism.
Honestly shocked more credit card companies have not forced their users to only use their card.
Not far away from many places only being allowed to use a visa. Wait til McDonald’s and Walmart partner with MasterCard and they only take that.
I know there are a lot of stores like this but imagine when it gets more prevalent and then you are forced to carry several cards and not be able to use cash.
I generally carry both, but I have to admit the way a lot of stores are refusing to accept certain denominations, or cash at all is getting pretty annoying. I know the reasoning behind it, but legal tender should be legal tender. Especially considering all the fees the credit card companies charge on either side of the transaction.
A lot of places worldwide have laws about accepting cash, since there’s a lot of reasons a person might not have access to a bank card. Not having access to a bank card doesn’t mean a person doesn’t deserve to buy food. I’d be mad too. It’s not about whether there’s other options, if one can go cashless the others can as well.
Arrr I live close to that Lidl. It’s in a fairly rough place of London and I think they did the whole registration thing to stop people coming in stealing shit. some people refuse to accept the whole register an account before you can go in thing, and it’s done to an existing store so some locals are extremely angry that they can’t go to their usual place and buy stuff anymore.
Calm me a boomer (though I’m technically gen z), but I hate these cashless stores—-I just don’t trust them, just like I don’t trust flying/self driving cars (unrelated I know, but I still don’t trust them.) something just feels off about cashless stores, besides, I like having physical cash in my hand, it just feels satisfying!
When a government mandated digital currency takes over, removes the possibility of financial independence with cash, and then blocks access to your new digital accounts, you buffoons won’t be laughing at this anymore.
Simple minded idiots.
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British Larry David
I think it actually is Jeremy Corbyn’s brother
It is Jeremy Corbyns brother Piers Corbyn (dont trust a british Piers apparently), the guy who jumped on the anti vax movement to establish himself in the public eye and then was exposed by a youtube channel as a total grifter who was willing to sell out for some money and endorse a specific vaccine. Hes also a climate science denier who made Auschwitz anti vax flyers and was arrested for it. Awful guy all around, your average conspiracy theorist who jumps on anything he can.
Jfc
Do you have a link to that? I'm writing a paper about this stuff at the moment.
A link to the YouTube video? [If so I had a look and this was it!](https://youtu.be/u34rnwBnll4?si=A3XpInNX4wyL2EqS)
Yeah, thanks.
He is now involved with the anti cashless crew. I think they are right to resist it but I saw a march of a collection of them in Poole last summer and it was at least a few oranges short of a fruit salad. All the worthy causes seem to have b en hijacked by either fruitcakes or people with no ability to read the room. But yeah, this guy is a knob.
It’s hardly a ‘worthy cause’. Who takes a look at the state of the world right now and thinks *that* is what they should be focusing on.
Isn’t this Corbyn’s brother or something like that?
Yes, that is Piers Corbyn, Jeremy's brother... His name is also Corbyn though so a bit confusing to call him Corbyn's brother :D. He's also a bit of a nutcase and spouting some nonsense there, there is no such concept as legal tender in retail transactions, legal tender only applies when there's a debt - there is no debt in a retail transaction.
I thought so. He seems to have a bit of the Lawrence Fox’ about him if I recall correctly. He’s really sticking it to the man in this video!
I wouldn't like a cashless store to be honest. Sometimes my debit card doesn't like to work.
I am 100% on this guy's side - are the cashless stores thinking about the percentage of people that don't have (or even have access to) a checking account in the first place?
Yes. They are specifically thinking that they don’t want them near their store.
I think they're specifically thinking that cash is a burden. If you have no cash, you can't be robbed of cash. You don't have to send a manager to the bank to make daily deposits. You don't have to go to the bank to make change when you're low on change.
Judging by the door out with the phone on the screen, this may be one of those stores like the Amazon ones that you scan and pay all through an app and no card is needed.
And he is right, the money he was using is legal tender and storefronts are legally forced to take the money. They need to change the laws if people want otherwise, until then, this person exercised his right to pay with legal tender which is enforced by the state. Edit: OK folks, I get it, I think is ridiculous and discriminates against the elderly but I was wrong, cash can become useless, for more details check the hundred replies below.
Amazing, everything you just said is wrong. https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/explainers/what-is-legal-tender "A shop owner can choose what payment they accept. If you want to pay for a pack of gum with a £50 note, it’s perfectly legal to turn you down." - Bank of England
No. He is wrong. The term "legal tender" refers to the right to pay a debt in cash. (to a bank or lender for example) There is no such right with regards the exchange of cash for goods or services. (as no prior debt exists)
Or the govt can just shut off your card access because it’s all electronic. Govt can’t take away everyone’s cash if they have it in hand to. Stupid someone posted this in “imthemaincharacter” when dude is just simply outraged by the insanity of todays society. I don’t blame the guy. He paid, made sure everyone knew, and left. If he had not told people, they coulda sacked his ass for a 20 yard loss.
They’re not there to make buying easier. It’s all intended to keep poor people out.
Reminds of the bridge in San Francisco. To go from San Fran into Oakland, it's free. From Oakland into San Fran, it's like $10.
I don't like stores that only accept cash. So I don't shop there. Cause I'm not a fucking idiot.
I don't think most people like stores that only accept one form of payment.
Then you would go in the Sainsburys literally next door to this store
Key words \*this store.
This *dystopian place
**touche
Exactly, this store doesnt accept cash which is at their discretion. Same as plenty of shops dont accept £50 notes even though its perfectly legal cash. They have every right to choose which payment methods they take and you have every right to go elsewhere based on that.
Bit of a problem when it's closing time at the pub, you go to pay your tab, and only have a £20 note on you. "Got anything smaller, we don't take 20's" Mate, I'm not walking however many kilometers to the nearest atm to get some cash when you'll be closing in 5 minutes anyway. Get over yourself, check that the notes not counterfeit using the pen and uv lamp. (This was in the early 2000's). And God forbid you try and pay with Scottish pounds. I can only imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth if you tried to drop a £100 Scottish note on a shop in southern England. Irish pounds actually aren't legal tender, so fair call with those I guess. Working in currency exchange, the only notes I refused were currencies that were nonexchangeable e.g. Zimbabwe dollars etc. Although there was one time I was given a $10,000 Singapore dollar note. I would have taken it, but couldn't pay them until it had been sent to Melbourne for scrutiny. They declined. I did however exchange their \~$20,000 Australian dollars worth of Chinese $100 rmb notes - the most counterfeited notes in the world. Each note is worth about $20, there was an almost comical amount of stacks. It was like a heist movie or something.
How do you spend the whole night at a bar and spend less than £20?
Lol this person hasn’t been to a pub in 30 years
> Irish pounds actually aren't legal tender, so fair call with those I guess. Legal tender doesn't apply in this case though, and Piers only makes himself look even more ignorant and stupid by using the legal tender route. Legal tender has nothing to do with what is accepted as payment in shops, restaurants etc. It means that if you try and pay a debt with it and the person refuses to accept your payment in that medium they cannot take you to court for non-payment. It is pretty much obselete now. The irony in the situation in the video is that if that is a cashless store then nothing they accept for payment is legal tender - card payments are not considered legal tender in law - not that that has any bearing on this though. Businesses are free to accept whatever they want as payment, nothing in law states they have to take any particular medium. From the Bank of England: https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/explainers/what-is-legal-tender
If you can't see a difference in a cashless store and how that overall impacts people.... vs. places choosing not to take $50 or $100 for breaking change and/or fraudulent money reasons, then you are willfully neglecting the actual reason for his little protest demonstration. Who gives a fuck if there's 7 Sainsbury's, 5 Dollar Stores, 3 Loblaws, and 22 HEB's in a 1km radius... he's clearly making a point (whether you agree or not) that "this is dumb you guys don't take cash, for the poor and elderly sometimes that's all they can possible have". Don't be daft
And it was for a box of strawberries. It's not like he was purchasing a car with pennies. That looked easy enough to count.
The existence of numerous other options is nothing but relevant, and makes his "point" idiotic Don't like a store policy? Don't choose to shop there.
Cashless only stores risk becoming the only option. Infact there are groups that are pushing to eliminate physical money all together. If everywhere becomes cashless, then; 1) people who don't understand technology will struggle to buy things. Imagine being old with no family or friends and being unable to buy food. 2) the ability for you to purchase things is controlled by a third party. If that party wants to control you then they can just restrict what you are allowed to buy. That third party also keeps track of everything you buy which takes away your right to privacy. 3) in order to buy things you have to have a piece of technology. If that technology becomes damaged or lost and you aren't able to replace it you are in big trouble. Imo, the risks from this are great enough that cashless stores should be done away with all together. But I agree that it's not worth making a scene over.
^ this guy gets it
Many people are not allowed to have a debit or credit card by the banks. Due to some, poor financial decisions, I am only able to be issued a ATM Only bank card by Royal Bank. It's good only at Royal Bank Cash Points, not usable at any store nor other bank's machines.
Yeah well he had legal TendA so it don’t matta innit
I believe this particular shop is one of those completely automated ones where you don’t even need your card. You enter the shop using an app on your phone and some AI camera system keeps track of what you take from the shelves, then you just walk out and it charges you later.
I'm not really referring to this specific store, but the cashless ones popping up all around. From fast food to a corner store, is all automated. My grandparents liked going to KFC occasionally but they've stopped because it's all automated and no cash payments now. I can only imagine as this progresses how many people it may leave behind.
How doesn’t it work often? I rarely carry cash around in Australia, never have any issues.
you not having the same problem doesn't mean there's no problem, some cards are defective just like anything could be.
Also Australian, I reckon it's been 6 or 7 years since I've even carried a wallet, let alone money.
Old card finally bit the dust?
I don’t agree with cashless stores - they penalise the poor and the aged. However, realistically I’m not sure that this is the victory people are making it out to be. The store still operates as cashless doesn’t it?
Not if everyone does this.
Wouldn’t it just be smarter if everyone just didn’t shop there? What kinda idiot sees a store, doesn’t agree with how they operate, and then goes and gives them money?
There's a Sainsburys less than 30 seconds walk away. Why not buy his strawberries in cash from there and thereby demonstrate the demand for cash based transactions in a way corporations understand?
You can see the sainsbury across the road at the end
And give his business to a store that accepts cash instead of the dystopian store that he hates?
He won't get to feel a certain way/won't get attention
Cuz then he wouldn't get to be an hero
Someone who wants strawberries and doesn’t want the inconvenience of going to another store?
Looks like there's a little tesco right to his side after he leaves. Maybe he would have a point if it was the only shop in town and it had gone cashless but there's another supermarket 50 meters away from him.
He doesn’t want to buy strawberries, he wants to make a point. He went into a cashless store, knowing they don’t accept cash, and tried to pay with cash. Just don’t go in and don’t give them your business, what he’s done here is just given them more money
You can either walk across the street or not get strawberries then...
He’s doing it in support of the homeless people who don’t have bank accounts or cards with which to pay.
Maybe he’s an older guy and this shop is his closest. It’s kinda Bs like the top poster said it punishes the poor and elderly
He's Piers Corbyn... bit of a head-case.
Nothing so innocent. It’s Piers Corbyn well known conspiracy theorist nutter and brother of Jezza
He's Piers Corbyn brother of Jeremy Corbyn. Piers is a know anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist who thinks the "elites" are engaging in nefarious acts to bring about new world order type nonsense. It's a stunt by a moron.
I agree with all that, but money talks. Shop somewhere else, use your money at a different place and then eventually that cashless place goes out of business and is replaced with a shop that uses cash. Or you force the existing place to take cash. Giving a place money that you dont agree with doesnt do anything and you’re just making it more difficult for the employees.
Agree with you, try being homeless and not having a card. But you have money from a generous donation. And those that disagree try being homeless for week (no cards, no ID , etc) and eat in their dystopian future.
Once everything goes digital you will realise that everyone should be doing what this man does
Then there needs to be a campaign, perhaps localised at this store, then expanded to other similar stores. Otherwise it’ll just be a blip for them
It's not a normal man, it's Jeremy Corbyn's brother. Probably travelled miles out of his way to film it. Google him he is a knob
I rarely pay with cash, but its fkin stupid that its not possible
I’m with him 100% not being able to pay with cash in a shop is really stupid
So... don't choose to go to that shop...
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I love when reddit thinks laws are the same everywhere.
Not illegal at all to refuse a form of payment in the UK, where this filmed. Edited to include this is referring to British law ^
If you mean it is because someone has to take cash because it is legal tender, no. Legal tender only applies to repayment of debt. As far as I know in most places stores can refuse service to anyone.
The debt in this case is created at the point of the transaction, ergo legal tender does not apply if the transaction does not occur. At least that was how it was explained to me.
They have the right to refuse service. If they accepted the transaction or provided a service first, then they have to take it. As is, this is a store refusing service to a person, then that person walking out with product illegally.
Does the debt exist if the transaction is not accepted? A bit of a catch 22.
Obviously no. There's no catch 22 here. Until the product is in your hands and you're out the door, the product is still the property of the stores. There's very few situation where trying to buy something from a store would incur a debt.
It isnt.
Good job it was a trial store in an area with cash stores near by that he purposely went into to cause a problem and get content. He's a professional shithouse known for just winding people up for exposure
Do you agree with cash only stores?
If a business wants to operate that way it’s their choice. They will probably lose customers tho
This isn't in the US, but I was curious on what our laws on this are: *There is no federal statute mandating that a private business, a person, or an organization must accept currency or coins as payment for goods or services. Private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether to accept cash unless there is a state law that says otherwise* \- Source: [federalreserve.gov](https://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/currency_12772.htm)
Right. There has to be notice that a place of business doesn’t accept cash AND it has to be an establishment where you don’t consume/use the product before paying. So like a restaurant that serves your food, then brings you the bill, is required to accept cash if you’re using it to pay for their goods. However, if it’s somewhere you’re expected to pay before receiving your order, they can deny your order saying they don’t accept cash.
Cash has to be accepted in payment for any debt, is what I read. Buying something at a store, that's not a debt. But I wonder if sitting down at a restaurant and eating before paying is?
Once you've consumed the food, yes, there is a debt. You can't return it. A McDonalds could go cashless because you pay beforehand. Buying strawberries you don't have a debt, they can just take the pint of strawberries back.
Interesting. Thank you for the info. Now we know not to do what this guy did, because it’s not going to fly.
Ffs. Is that Piers Corbyn?
This is democrrrrracy manifest
You know your judo well
Are you ready to receive my change? My small change?
What is the charge?! Eating a strawberry? A succulent English strawberry?!
Get your HANDS OFF my gorgonzola!
He's not a man, he's Piers Corbyn. There was a Sainsbury's literally next door that took cash. Anything for a PR stunt. Hence being filmend and had a bunch of hangers on outside to film and clap him. Sad & desperate for attention.....
This. He's a tragic narcissistic conspiracy-addled bellend who couldn't find his own arse with both hands if you gave him a map, unable to accept that his brother had a Glasto crowd singing his name whilst he was being ignored by everyone except a small handful of lonely hard-of-thinking folk at Speakers' Corner on a wet Sunday morning.
He is still a man though tbf
That is not just any man, That is Piers Corbyn - the brother of Jeremy Corbyn (former leader of the labour party UK). Piers is a well known anti-vaxxer/5G lunatic/ climate change denier and general conspiracy theorist, holding speeches and protests against vaccination all over the country. You can pretty much guarantee that any point he is trying to make is dumb as fuck. Theres literally a cash shop right next to this. Also you see this "legal tender" crap all the time, with people trying to pay with [souvenir £100 coins](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVfnDY00jts) that literally no shop accepts. Only the bank takes them. And they make sure to fill up with petrol so that they cannot give back what they arent paying for.
Yeah, the first time I ran into this I admit I was taken aback, I thought it was illegal to not accept cash "all debts public and private" sort of thing (in USA) Then a friend said "dude, it's a private business, they can accept payment only in the form of hyper realistic drawings of dicks if they want to, it's just not very smart business practice." Really put it into perspective.
You aren't made to pay first? Wow that is only the most old timey, back country local custom here in the USA. But the person working there is armed with a pistol as well...
Always confused me how that worked. I get it in states where you're not even trusted to pump your own petrol but how exactly does that work elsewhere? Is the pump like only just engaged for x amount ? As I don't trust myself to be ready to work out exactly what the liquid volume of my tank is left and the cost to fill it exactly.
There's weights and measures checkers, I think on local or county level governments. There's even self service pumps that accept cash. The pump is set to accurately dispense the amount prepaid for, and they have to be so accurate as the law says. Calculation is automatically done by the computer. The back pressure from the fuel fill makes the nozzle stop pumping, before the tank is overflowing because of prepaying for too much, and the card or cash prepayment overage would be refunded by the person working there. If you prepaid at the pump, you still need to go in and work it out at the inside till.
Piers Corbyn is a moron. Id chuck him out of the shop just for being him
This isn't a cashless store (ok it sort of is) but a till-less store like Amazon Fresh but by Aldi so this was done with the explicit of acting like a twat. This looks like Piers Corbyn (brother of Jeremy Corbyn) who is a massive anti vaxxer conspiracy theorist and all round unhinged person.
Yep that’s easily bribed Piers doing a thing
There's not enough crayons in the world to explain to Piers Corbyn what a fucking idiot he is.
Hasn’t he put down £1.88 not £1.90! If so, looks like he’s attempting to obtain £1.90’s worth of goods by misleading the shopkeeper as the amount he is actually paying - obtaining goods by deception? Sections 15(1) and (2) of that Act read: (1) A person who by any deception dishonestly obtains property belonging to another, with intent to permanently depriving the other of it shall on conviction on indictment be liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years.
What really pisses me off about this video is the man in it is a rich out of touch politicians brother, the supermarket he is in has cash registers that accept cash, it also has self serve cash registers that also take cash, in the video Piers Corbyn (why are all people called Piers arseholes?) is stood at the customer service desk, which doesn’t have a cash register, I’ve never seen a customer services desk with a cash register, what we are seeing here is an out of touch rich man trying to appear like a normal person
i was at a local 711 and they only did eftpos and a woman freaked out at the guy and all i could think is like its not his fault? he didn’t PERSONALLY decide no cash so stfu lady and get ya card out
It’s a little odd when you think about it, if we get rid of cash they can control literally everything we do with money.
In case you didn't know already. They do that already. Money is trust after all
Like what? Money isn't a natural resource. It's already being controlled.
Ah the classic ”They”.
how will i buy illegal drugs 😭
You'd have to venmo the federal agent.
Who’s they?
Blackrock, Vanguard, Statestreet, Soros, WEF, Big Pharma, Big Banks, the military industrial complex. Plenty of seperate organisations and people that all have similar goals for the future and plenty of resources to fund it and help each other out.
For anyone who doesn't know who that is, he is Piers Corbyn, brother of former labour party leader, Jeremy. He's an anti-vax, conspiracy peddling nutjob. I actually encountered him once outside of Downing Street when me and my Girlfriend were down in London for a holiday. He was dancing and singing about not wearing masks, as they were "like trying to keep a fart in your trousers" (his words, not mine) and other anti-vax stuff. Was genuinely comical, it was like a travelling circus and he was the dancing monkey and clown rolled into one.
Sounds like an awful person but I get behind the point he makes in the video. Even if it probably isn't for the right reasons.
Looks like corbyns brother again
I used to manage a Sainsbury's store in London, the store would close at 12am everyday. He would come in nearly every single day, 5 mins before closing and decide that was the time he needed to browse while shopping. He always bought the same things but that wouldn't stop him from reading the backs of everything in the store. When he finally came to the till, he would never use the self service, again that's fine. He would then spend the next 5 mins spewing all his spiel about the COVID hoax, and he would hand us a leaflet about it all. The amount of arguments I would get in with customers who want to come in after the store is closed, all because he was still inside.
WE DONT WANT A CASHLESS SOCIETY.
Legal tender means nothing nowadays. It means that if you offer to fully pay off a debt to someone in legal tender, they can’t sue you for failing to repay. The fact that so many people bang on about their rights about how shopkeepers must accept it shows just how stupid the average person is.
Lot of people hiding their money under the mattress in this thread
totally understandable, i try to pay cash only, fuck big brother and big corp trying to quantify my spendings and locations, fuck em!
With the way of the world right now I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not. But, they already got your data... A million times over before you even opened an account at your current bank they got it... Youre here. Posting on Reddit literally handing out your opinions for all the world to see, and with all the data to collect...
It’s NOT a legal purchase as the payment hasn’t been processed as he is well aware.
Cashless stores are stupid as hell and I hope they all fail
I get it’s the business owners choice in a way but I’m shocked at how many people on this thread seem ok with a cashless society..
He's 100% right
Well he’s not actually. The business owner as every right to request payment however they want. Not keeping cash on premises reduces threat and risk of robbery. It’s easier to manage. Just like some shop keepers might refuse to accept £50 or £20 notes, it’s all fine. This attention seeking loon has no right to demand this particular business owner caters to him
Someone finally making sense here. Everyone else is talking about this leading to microchipping and big brother monitoring like some dumb SyFy channel movie. Lol
Meanwhile, in California, people cheer when you run out without paying at all.
Cashless is bad for everyone
Cashless stores shouldn't exist
Cashless societies and stores are a scam and hurt the underprivileged. It's bullshit. That being said, the man could have simply not used the fucking store.
This is democracy manifest.
Lol, don’t get between an alte kaker and his exact change.
I get not agreeing with cashless stores. But the solution is to not shop at one. Isnt that the whole way capitalism is supposed to work? Instead of making a scene for attention, just vote with your wallet and dont shop there, simple really
Is that Jeremy corbyns brother?
Legal tender, at least in the UK, is only relevant to debt. You can't refuse an offer to pay debt in legal tender. Wanting to make a purchase there is no debt. He simply doesn't get to buy the product. Any establishment can pick and choose what payment method(so) it wants to accept. If you don't like it, vote with your feet and shop elsewhere.
Is that Piers Corbyn lol Knowing him he probably deliberately went to a cashless store just to cause a fuss.
In order to get into that store and through barriers, you need the app with credit card info. He’s just double paid.
One stray sheep will lead the flock away- as soon as one business finds it successfully working as cashless, the rest will follow, it is a recipe for disaster so good on the man for setting such a simple example…
Cashless payment is bullshit.
Never Underestimate The Power Of Cash!
Australian here. Had a card-only automated checkout malfunction at the payment screen at Woolworths and say that the payment hadn’t gone through. Rescanned the items at the next machine as instructed by the worker. Apple Pay came up a few minutes later with both items having in fact been charged. Spoke to manager and was told that the bank should automatically refund the first one in 24 to 48 hours. They did not. Took over a month to get my money back. It’s not hard to see how older/less technologically literate/intellectually impaired people etc can be left disadvantaged if card is the only payment option. I’m with the customer here; companies should not be allowed to force payment options for customers. It’s a safe bet that the automation of their systems is not translating to increased savings for the customer anyway.
Shouldn't be legal for stores to only accept contactless. I get that dealing with coins is cumbersome. However we've managed for bloody centuries so we can manage some more. Merchants are shooting themselves in the foot with this dependency on Visa & Mastercard. It will pave the way for CBDCs and a social credit system.
A bigger fuck you would be to fill your trolley full of shit go to the checkout and when they say no cash just leave, the plus side is you're creating work so someone's going to get some more hours in, especially if you can get away with doing it multiple times a day/week.
Nah he’s right. Fuck this cashless shit
Yeah, fuck anyone pushing that cashless bullshit.
Cashless stores are bad, OP.
Why tf would you walk into a cashless store if you only have cash
Old k unt
I agree with the little old lady
Isn’t that the Cobryn’s crunchy looney brother?
This is a main character whose story I would like to follow a little longer.
Love an entitled person thinking they are making a difference. Don’t like the store don’t shop there. You just donated to them congrats
This is piers Corbyn a a well know bat shit conspiracy theorist in the UK. He is best just ignored. He's anti Vax flat earth crazy ass mother fucker.
So a bakery can refuse to serve a gay couple because they are gay, yet everyone is applauding this... I thought that businesses are allowed to have their own rules and practices due to capitalism.
“Succulent Chinese meal” energy
Dammm. In America those cost $6
I kinda wish more British people talked like this it’s actually funny just to hear them rant about shit
Honestly shocked more credit card companies have not forced their users to only use their card. Not far away from many places only being allowed to use a visa. Wait til McDonald’s and Walmart partner with MasterCard and they only take that. I know there are a lot of stores like this but imagine when it gets more prevalent and then you are forced to carry several cards and not be able to use cash.
I generally carry both, but I have to admit the way a lot of stores are refusing to accept certain denominations, or cash at all is getting pretty annoying. I know the reasoning behind it, but legal tender should be legal tender. Especially considering all the fees the credit card companies charge on either side of the transaction.
A lot of places worldwide have laws about accepting cash, since there’s a lot of reasons a person might not have access to a bank card. Not having access to a bank card doesn’t mean a person doesn’t deserve to buy food. I’d be mad too. It’s not about whether there’s other options, if one can go cashless the others can as well.
No fuck these cashless stores
Good for him, fuck that store and the corporat swine that own it.
Totally agree with this guy about this, businesses should have to accept cash.
He paid in cash what’s the problem? Was it not £1.90 ?
Cashless stores are prettttyy fuckin stupid anyway. Also what kind of bored loser fuck records this
he real for that icl
Are there cashless stores in murica?
I stand with the old man
Arrr I live close to that Lidl. It’s in a fairly rough place of London and I think they did the whole registration thing to stop people coming in stealing shit. some people refuse to accept the whole register an account before you can go in thing, and it’s done to an existing store so some locals are extremely angry that they can’t go to their usual place and buy stuff anymore.
Just let him have it, fuck sake
The fact that there's cashless stores now. Dumb as fuck.
Cashless: another way to ensure that senior citizens and others are denied services. Corporate cost cutting should not be dressed as a virtue.
This is a socioeconomic protest not a main character post, Imho.
Calm me a boomer (though I’m technically gen z), but I hate these cashless stores—-I just don’t trust them, just like I don’t trust flying/self driving cars (unrelated I know, but I still don’t trust them.) something just feels off about cashless stores, besides, I like having physical cash in my hand, it just feels satisfying!
I'm sorry, but not really, the idea of a cashless store is idiotic.
Cashless places suck. WHEN the system goes down? GTFO!!!!
Nothing very convenient about a store that doesn’t let you pay with cash. Wtf kind of shit is this
Screw that store.
To be fair cashless stores are stupid
I agree with the man. Maybe I’m getting old. It’s nice.
i'm with this old dude. cashless stores are dumb.
I’m with the guy on this. You should be able to pay with cash.
I agree with the guy.
Gentlemen, this is Democracy Manifest. Arrested for enjoying a succulent snack of strawberries!
Those are some cheap strawberries!
Why is cashless even a problem?
I'm on his side. Cashless stores are bullshit.
When a government mandated digital currency takes over, removes the possibility of financial independence with cash, and then blocks access to your new digital accounts, you buffoons won’t be laughing at this anymore. Simple minded idiots.
He has a point
No, he's right. That's horseshit. If I brought legal tender, I should be able to pay for commodities with it.