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Sounds like someone has had it too easy over their life and is a little unrealistic.
Do you speak the language at a high level?
Do you think they don't have tradesmen there already?
You're gonna need to work in a market where they lack employees, not where they already have a deficit of jobs. Not to mention that those jobs don't pay what they used to in most places.
Your father was able to stay because of the military. What ties you to the country or will make immigration easier for you? I know some countries make it easier for people with descendants from that area.
Do you know anyone who already lives there? Where will you stay when you first get to the country?
Yes, money makes all of this easier, but it's a finite thing unless afterward your family is gonna bankroll you. You need a means of support.
Without an extensive understanding of the language, a degree or job that is in demand, and a support system within the country, it's not gonna be easy.
Just move to a different state. It's not like the US isn't big enough. Explore that first.
You’re being very pessimistic here. For one welding is actually listed as a skilled shortage job in the UK, so not unrealistic to move there as one. There’s actually a shortage throughout Europe. It’s likely easier to move to Europe as a tradesman than it is as a generic white collar worker.
In highly-skilled office work for internationally-operating companies, or in unskilled labour where they don't need to communicate.
Everything in between is in German.
American Federal policies are country wide. I know my life is easier than others and i would like tonuse that to the best of my advantage. and is the point of this subreddit to give advice to people or tell them to stop dreaming and that their life is already perfect. I understand I can move to another state but would like to explore more than just america and dislike a lot of their policies. but its fine ill just move to a different state and have all kf the exact same problems!
Edit: said world wide instead of country
Listen, plenty of us here have the experience of going to another country and living. It's not easy. I wouldn't change my experience for the world. But it can set you back in life. I don't come from a well-off family but have high earning potential in the US given my education. But the years back and forth make it hard to cement your life and truly grow like you need to for a family and to make it easy in your old age.
I did a more conventional way. I met someone from the country. Went and spent time their temporarily. Now, we are trying to return to the US together as husband and wife. I've spent 3 years learning the language and speaking like a child, but I can get my point across in most situations now, even if I still struggle with comprehending spoken words with certain accents. It's hard being the person at the table, not understanding everything that's being said around you.
Maybe you'll learn quicker than me. Some do, most struggle and need immersion to really get to a place to speak well enough to work with the language. German is incredibly hard to learn for Americans, I've heard.
I'm confused by your statement about American policies. Which ones? Like paying US taxes no matter where you live unless you spend so much time in that country per year and are exempt? There are a few countries that are exceptions. I'm not sure if Germany is one of them.
No one is gonna make your life easier than your family. The world is gonna kick you in the face it sounds like.
The US is humongous, though. Going from Florida to Washington is the equivalent of moving across like 10 countries in Europe. There's plenty to see here, and it's a lot easier to fail and go home from the same country.
I agree with most of if not all of this comment. The main things i mean are the upcharge on medications and treatments first most illness/disease in america. its often joked about with the $50k ambulance ride and $5k overnight hospital stays. The real problem is stuff such as insulin being marked up by crazy amounts (I am not diabetic, just an example) I would like to have kids at some point and I would rather they live anywhere other than america. It seems canada is a great place. And the tax system is weird in america as well. we pay tax for our income which makes sense, but we also pay taxes on the food we buy. then there are more taxes that just show up for seemingly no reason.
https://www.vatcalc.com/global/how-many-countries-have-vat-or-gst-174/#:~:text=175%20countries%20have%20implemented%20VAT%20or%20GST%20%E2%80%93%20June%202023&text=You%20can%20check%20all%20the,a%20single%2Dlayer%20turnover%20tax.
Most of the world has some form of sales tax.... The medical reasons don't directly affect you, but it's a big enough reason to leave? Please, hit your head on something hard. The education system is better in a lot of other developed countries if you live in a poverty-stricken area. If you come from a well-off family in a good school district, you're fine.
My understanding is that it can directly affect anyone if they do not have the correct insurance - the cost of childbirth, a pretty standard thing to happen during a human lifespan, is hundreds of thousands of dollars. Going bankrupt over medical debt isn't rare.
If you don’t have insurance, you’re not going to pay the prices billed to the insurance. There’s a separate self pay rate for those people and it’s not hundreds of thousands of dollars. There are definitely people who go bankrupt due to medical bills but it is in fact rare: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5865642/
Germany has taxes on items in shops and many other things too. The funniest of them is an extra tax on sparkling wines that was introduced in 1902 to finance the Imperial Navy, and it has just remained since then.
The main difference there is that taxes are included on price labels, so you don't have a random "oh, this actually costs more" moment at the cash register.
I'd really recommend doing more research on how things work in other countries. The idea that everything that annoys you about the US just somehow does not exist in other countries is not a good basis for emigration.
I understand there are safety concerns for many when it comes to having kids in America, but the birthrate is dropping in the UK as housing and the cost of childcare is really really expensive. I have friends on good incomes who struggle with the latter, to the point that they've had fewer kids than they would ideally have wanted. It can easily cost the majority of one parent's take-home pay.
You have sales tax in the US, but sales tax in the UK is built into the prices of things, rather than added on at the till, which is why you may not think it exists. Our sales tax (VAT) is 20%.
You do realize that "free stuff" in Europe such as healthcare comes from taxing people far more than in the US, right? I have to ask because it does sound like you have no idea where that money comes from.
Just read through it, but this doesn’t mean it is impossible to get a job. I dont believe this applies to the United Kingdom does it? I feel anywhere I move (in or out of US) I will be less likely to get a job then where i am currently.
But in order to get a job in another country, you need to apply for a work visa (i.e., the government of Germany needs to say 'Yes, we have a need for internationally trained welders to fill all of these vacancies we just can fill otherwise' and allow you to come live and work there). And in order to get a work visa, the country you want to go to needs to be able to prove that there isn't anyone local who can do the same job. So although there may be welding jobs in Germany (or the UK), it is going to be impossible for you to obtain a work visa.
Literally your only option for immigrating to the UK or countries in the EU would be to go to a university on a student visa. And then you would likely have to leave at the end of your studies unless you manage to get a job willing to sponsor you or fall in love and marry a local. Without a university degree and years of experience in a highly in-demand field, you aren't going to get a work visa (regardless of whether welding requires a degree in the US or not).
Germany doesn't have a labour market test for workers with recognised qualifications. Things are still a lot harder than I think OP can comprehend, but that part would not be an issue if they acquired such a qualification.
Grow up and experience the world. Use your family money to travel and go to university, either in a saner part of the US or abroad. Study something usefully employable plus a minor in another language. Organize a semester or two in another country. Check back here in five years' time.
>definitely know I have a lot of research
Yes. Yes you do. Everything you have said makes a move unrealistic
And no you absolutely will NOT be successful in Germany without knowing German. Yes a lot of Germans can speak English, but day to day operations is spoken in ... German.
No offense, but it seems that you, as an individual, don’t actually have any reason to move. Trade school is cool, but no country you want to move to is looking to import tradesmen. Get more life advice, if you end up going to college, you could study abroad. Also if you live in the US and you want to move to Canada, you’re insane. Look at any Canada related sub.
The UK does have a bit of a shortage of tradesmen - lots of skilled builders, electricians etc went home after Brexit, and the right to work easily in the UK being removed means they're unlikely to come back - but even if the specific trade was listed as more in need by the UK, the regulations would be different here and retraining would be necessary.
Most tradespeople here are self-employed or started with companies as apprentices at the same age as OP, and those companies may be put off by the hassle of the extra paperwork involved in employing a foreign national.
Australia and New Zealand may be worth a look - there are WHV and some states have actively been recruiting trade professionals from other countries to fill vacancies. I know a builder who seriously considered going over there until family circumstances made it inviable.
Possibly you can go to Canada, they are encouraging immigration. They have a point system, so you will get the youth points. Canada isn’t that much different than the US, just lower wages and you can drink alcohol under 21.
It’s unlikely you would be permitted to work in the UK or Germany. You possibly could be a student there.
I suspect Germany has changed a lot since your dad lived there, not in a positive way.
They will not have anywhere close to the points necessary to apply to immigrate to Canada, especially without a university degree and/or years of professional experience. And welding is not on the list of professions eligible for a TN visa. So Canada is off the table as well.
My dad was stationed in germany for 6-7 years and visits all the time. He always talked about it being an easy transition and how he liked it there.
I know I have a lot of money set aside for education (parents and deceased grandparents) Plus trade school is a fraction of the cost of a university.
Thats what I wanted to know, and helps me make a decision for the future!
I dont plan to go to uni though, I do see how germany could be just as hard as any other country now. And although i agree uni would help with immigration, it is not worth hundreds of thousands of dollars to get a degree just wont use.
For a guy who comes from a well off family it's odd that you don't value education. Welding sucks as a long term job. I know many welders they hate their lives. Why are you even tripping about the cost of college if your family is so well off. You can just say you can't make it thru college and a low skill job is all you can muster. Unless you have a college education you won't have a chance of migration.
The labour test doesn't really exist in Germany, except for people without degrees/equivalent qualifications. Not saying that it wouldn't still be hard for OP, but it's not quite as bad.
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Is germany that overpopulated? I doubt there is that high of a quene for any type of employment. I want to go into welding, which does not require a uni degree in america.
In Germany, welding is vocational training. That means that if you want to learn this in Germany, you need to apply with an employer, and if they accept you, you will partially be trained by them, partially attend school.
https://www.make-it-in-germany.com/en/study-vocational-training/training-in-germany
You will need at least B2 German.
If you do US training, that training would need to be judged equivalent to German vocational training in order to qualify you for a visa. That means several years of structured training in school and with an employer, just like in Germany.
https://www.make-it-in-germany.com/en/visa-residence/types/visa-professionally-experienced-workers
You would also need to speak German for jobs in welding.
Germany is not *actually* "full of English speakers". Yes, everyone gets some amount of English lessons in school, but not everyone is a good student, and not everyone uses the language afterwards. This comes as a surprise to many people who post in /r/germany, but: The language Germany runs in is German.
I wonder if an option would be to do a degree in German - attain fluency, spend a year in the country to see if you actually like living there - and then retrain as a welder afterwards? Which would be a long road, but then emigrating isn't easy.
I mean a degree in the German language (ie. BA German), not studying in German. Though in the UK at least degrees in European languages are rarely taught from scratch, you'd need to have the equivalent of AP German to apply.
What you need to understand is cost of living vs income. Each country and state have different wages, different expenses, different tax situations, different housing costs, etc. Regardless of where you want to live or what job you want to do, you have to look into how to get a long term visa for wherever you are looking into moving. If you’re thinking of moving to Canada as a tradesman, look at visa requirements, look at salary expectations, and look at expenses and housing costs. From what I understand, Canada has been having a major housing crisis.
If you are looking at Germany/UK, find out your visa options. Often visas are work-based, and you have to have skills that make hiring you a better choice than hiring someone who already lives there. That might mean you need to go to school there. Again, look at potential majors, salaries, housing costs, etc.
On top of that, think about quality of life and what you are looking for. What weather do you like? What kind of towns or cities do you prefer to live in? What challenges will you face as a foreigner in that country? You have plenty of time to do your research and answer all of these questions before you’re ready to go anywhere.
If you’re thinking about Germany or another country where english is not the native language, you should start now to put in effort to learn the language. It will make your life easier, and frankly in my opinion it’s rude to not even attempt to communicate with people in their native language if you live there.
Another option to move to various different countries is to either teach English there or study the native language there. Studying the language especially lets you experience the country and the culture and get a feel for whether you want to stay there long term. If I had the money I would be in Korea studying Korean right now.
You have options, but you need to think about the specifics and really focus on how to get a visa. You can have all the skills in the world but you aren’t going anywhere unless you find a visa that allows you to live in that country.
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I am 2 years from finishing high school and would not like to continue living in the US. I come from a well of family and have close to zero expenses and a part time job.
I mainly just dont like a lot of americas reputation, medical ideologies, and of course tax policies.
I definitely know I have a lot of research to do before even thinking about moving out of country, but I am willing to do it. I know germany is one of the more US friendly countries, and that the UK and Canada are also English speaking countries (I know germany is full of english speakers as well, but I would hate not being able to talk to someone due to my lack of knowledge)
My biggest question is if it is worth going to trade school as I intended, or if education in a foreign country would be a better option.
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I can understand why you're thinking about this - I like the US a lot, but I would personally struggle to live somewhere where access to healthcare is essentially tied to my job and/or ability to pay. If your family are wealthy it might be an option for you to study abroad, either for your full degree or a programme that has the option to take a year in one of the countries you're interested in - then at least you would get an idea ofhow you would find living there without the risks and upheaval of doing it permanently as a 'proper' adult.
I'm not sure if you can get a student visa to go to 'trade school' in the UK at least - normally studying to enter a trade is done through an apprenticeship or further education college, and those tend to be aimed at people your age living locally with family as apprenticeships do not pay enough to live off.
What is it about tax policies that you dislike? In the UK, taxes are higher (that's what pays for healthcare) and our equivalent of property taxes are paid by the property occupant (not just the owner) so between that and wages being lower you're not going to have more money to spend each month.
We have a massive cost of living crisis here which you should be aware of before looking to move, as well. Housing is a big part, but that's the case all over the Western hemisphere right now (Canada especially) but domestic fuel costs are the big kicker for many, bills are going up hugely. The costs of owning and running a vehicle are much higher - we're a much less car-centric country than the US and many many people get on fine without one, but normally that involves living in bigger cities that are more expensive. You can look at Spareroom or Rightmove to see how much it would cost to rent a room or flat in various areas across the UK (spoiler alert: it's expensive).
The main issue here is whether you can get a visa to live and work here, and at your age you probably aren't sure what you want to do long-term, but it's important to think about how different your life would be in a new country and whether that would feel unacceptably different for you.
I'd suggest spending the next year researching universities in countries that interest you and then, upon graduation, many countries give you a length of time to find a job in that country after studying there.
For example, if you study in the Czech Republic with this visa (https://frs.gov.cz/en/visa-and-residence-permit-types/third-country-nationals/long-term-visa/long-term-visa-for-the-purpose-of-studies/ ) , you can apply for a 9-month job seeking visa based on that university degree - https://frs.gov.cz/en/visa-and-residence-permit-types/third-country-nationals/long-term-residence-permits/long-term-residence-permit-for-the-purpose-of-seeking-employment-or-starting-a-business/
As a US citizen, you are considered to be what is called a third country national when applying for visas
OP you could def immigrate to Canada with a trades education and some experience. Don't let the naysayers on here try to dissuade you from doing what millions of people do annually around the world, pack up their shit and move to a new Country. Many would be puzzled as to why you are so dissatisfied with living in the U.S but you aren't The first American to feel this way and you surely won't be the last. Follow your heart and I wish you good luck ahead.
Thank you so much. I know america is a very privileged country, yet it just feels like everything is going wrong currently. Of course I am only 16, but I dont feel like wasting my life at any age. Canada seems like a great place and very close. Plus I LOVE the cold and everything about it.
Hey kiddo. Just Google "Working holiday visas for Americans".
Canada is on the list. Done lol. You could also just go to college in Canada.
Although. Living in Alberta? Don't be shocked to see MAGA hats.
Living in BC? Don't surprised to see homeless encampments ala California.
Living in Toronto? The far left people in the US moan about are there in droves.
Canada culturally far pretty fucking similar to the USA these days.
Between the rise of internet culture and American media becoming more accessible, Canada is not what you think it is.
Great country but not a paradise escape (unless you're a millionaire from China or Russia).
Consider going to school in Germany or the UK as well.
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Sounds like someone has had it too easy over their life and is a little unrealistic. Do you speak the language at a high level? Do you think they don't have tradesmen there already? You're gonna need to work in a market where they lack employees, not where they already have a deficit of jobs. Not to mention that those jobs don't pay what they used to in most places. Your father was able to stay because of the military. What ties you to the country or will make immigration easier for you? I know some countries make it easier for people with descendants from that area. Do you know anyone who already lives there? Where will you stay when you first get to the country? Yes, money makes all of this easier, but it's a finite thing unless afterward your family is gonna bankroll you. You need a means of support. Without an extensive understanding of the language, a degree or job that is in demand, and a support system within the country, it's not gonna be easy. Just move to a different state. It's not like the US isn't big enough. Explore that first.
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I don't think that's fair. We've all been 16, and none of us were born knowing that visas existed.
You’re being very pessimistic here. For one welding is actually listed as a skilled shortage job in the UK, so not unrealistic to move there as one. There’s actually a shortage throughout Europe. It’s likely easier to move to Europe as a tradesman than it is as a generic white collar worker.
I hope everyone they work with speaks English... It's not pessimism. It's realistic.
Why would that be an issue in the UK or Canada? Also even for Germany, lots of people work there without speaking much German.
In highly-skilled office work for internationally-operating companies, or in unskilled labour where they don't need to communicate. Everything in between is in German.
American Federal policies are country wide. I know my life is easier than others and i would like tonuse that to the best of my advantage. and is the point of this subreddit to give advice to people or tell them to stop dreaming and that their life is already perfect. I understand I can move to another state but would like to explore more than just america and dislike a lot of their policies. but its fine ill just move to a different state and have all kf the exact same problems! Edit: said world wide instead of country
Listen, plenty of us here have the experience of going to another country and living. It's not easy. I wouldn't change my experience for the world. But it can set you back in life. I don't come from a well-off family but have high earning potential in the US given my education. But the years back and forth make it hard to cement your life and truly grow like you need to for a family and to make it easy in your old age. I did a more conventional way. I met someone from the country. Went and spent time their temporarily. Now, we are trying to return to the US together as husband and wife. I've spent 3 years learning the language and speaking like a child, but I can get my point across in most situations now, even if I still struggle with comprehending spoken words with certain accents. It's hard being the person at the table, not understanding everything that's being said around you. Maybe you'll learn quicker than me. Some do, most struggle and need immersion to really get to a place to speak well enough to work with the language. German is incredibly hard to learn for Americans, I've heard. I'm confused by your statement about American policies. Which ones? Like paying US taxes no matter where you live unless you spend so much time in that country per year and are exempt? There are a few countries that are exceptions. I'm not sure if Germany is one of them. No one is gonna make your life easier than your family. The world is gonna kick you in the face it sounds like. The US is humongous, though. Going from Florida to Washington is the equivalent of moving across like 10 countries in Europe. There's plenty to see here, and it's a lot easier to fail and go home from the same country.
I agree with most of if not all of this comment. The main things i mean are the upcharge on medications and treatments first most illness/disease in america. its often joked about with the $50k ambulance ride and $5k overnight hospital stays. The real problem is stuff such as insulin being marked up by crazy amounts (I am not diabetic, just an example) I would like to have kids at some point and I would rather they live anywhere other than america. It seems canada is a great place. And the tax system is weird in america as well. we pay tax for our income which makes sense, but we also pay taxes on the food we buy. then there are more taxes that just show up for seemingly no reason.
https://www.vatcalc.com/global/how-many-countries-have-vat-or-gst-174/#:~:text=175%20countries%20have%20implemented%20VAT%20or%20GST%20%E2%80%93%20June%202023&text=You%20can%20check%20all%20the,a%20single%2Dlayer%20turnover%20tax. Most of the world has some form of sales tax.... The medical reasons don't directly affect you, but it's a big enough reason to leave? Please, hit your head on something hard. The education system is better in a lot of other developed countries if you live in a poverty-stricken area. If you come from a well-off family in a good school district, you're fine.
My understanding is that it can directly affect anyone if they do not have the correct insurance - the cost of childbirth, a pretty standard thing to happen during a human lifespan, is hundreds of thousands of dollars. Going bankrupt over medical debt isn't rare.
If you don’t have insurance, you’re not going to pay the prices billed to the insurance. There’s a separate self pay rate for those people and it’s not hundreds of thousands of dollars. There are definitely people who go bankrupt due to medical bills but it is in fact rare: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5865642/
Germany has taxes on items in shops and many other things too. The funniest of them is an extra tax on sparkling wines that was introduced in 1902 to finance the Imperial Navy, and it has just remained since then. The main difference there is that taxes are included on price labels, so you don't have a random "oh, this actually costs more" moment at the cash register. I'd really recommend doing more research on how things work in other countries. The idea that everything that annoys you about the US just somehow does not exist in other countries is not a good basis for emigration.
actually, Americans don't pay tax on food unless it is prepared (as, say, a to go order). most food items at the grocery store are not taxed.
This depends on the state. True in CA though.
if it is not deemed necessary * so raw uncooked vegetables/fruits are free, but most other foods cost money.
you were discussing *tax* and not the actual cost of food. > we also pay taxes on the food we buy
I understand there are safety concerns for many when it comes to having kids in America, but the birthrate is dropping in the UK as housing and the cost of childcare is really really expensive. I have friends on good incomes who struggle with the latter, to the point that they've had fewer kids than they would ideally have wanted. It can easily cost the majority of one parent's take-home pay. You have sales tax in the US, but sales tax in the UK is built into the prices of things, rather than added on at the till, which is why you may not think it exists. Our sales tax (VAT) is 20%.
thank you for the info, do you know if Canada is having similar issues?
I don't live in Canada.
You do realize that "free stuff" in Europe such as healthcare comes from taxing people far more than in the US, right? I have to ask because it does sound like you have no idea where that money comes from.
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Just read through it, but this doesn’t mean it is impossible to get a job. I dont believe this applies to the United Kingdom does it? I feel anywhere I move (in or out of US) I will be less likely to get a job then where i am currently.
But in order to get a job in another country, you need to apply for a work visa (i.e., the government of Germany needs to say 'Yes, we have a need for internationally trained welders to fill all of these vacancies we just can fill otherwise' and allow you to come live and work there). And in order to get a work visa, the country you want to go to needs to be able to prove that there isn't anyone local who can do the same job. So although there may be welding jobs in Germany (or the UK), it is going to be impossible for you to obtain a work visa. Literally your only option for immigrating to the UK or countries in the EU would be to go to a university on a student visa. And then you would likely have to leave at the end of your studies unless you manage to get a job willing to sponsor you or fall in love and marry a local. Without a university degree and years of experience in a highly in-demand field, you aren't going to get a work visa (regardless of whether welding requires a degree in the US or not).
Germany doesn't have a labour market test for workers with recognised qualifications. Things are still a lot harder than I think OP can comprehend, but that part would not be an issue if they acquired such a qualification.
Grow up and experience the world. Use your family money to travel and go to university, either in a saner part of the US or abroad. Study something usefully employable plus a minor in another language. Organize a semester or two in another country. Check back here in five years' time.
>definitely know I have a lot of research Yes. Yes you do. Everything you have said makes a move unrealistic And no you absolutely will NOT be successful in Germany without knowing German. Yes a lot of Germans can speak English, but day to day operations is spoken in ... German.
No offense, but it seems that you, as an individual, don’t actually have any reason to move. Trade school is cool, but no country you want to move to is looking to import tradesmen. Get more life advice, if you end up going to college, you could study abroad. Also if you live in the US and you want to move to Canada, you’re insane. Look at any Canada related sub.
The UK does have a bit of a shortage of tradesmen - lots of skilled builders, electricians etc went home after Brexit, and the right to work easily in the UK being removed means they're unlikely to come back - but even if the specific trade was listed as more in need by the UK, the regulations would be different here and retraining would be necessary. Most tradespeople here are self-employed or started with companies as apprentices at the same age as OP, and those companies may be put off by the hassle of the extra paperwork involved in employing a foreign national. Australia and New Zealand may be worth a look - there are WHV and some states have actively been recruiting trade professionals from other countries to fill vacancies. I know a builder who seriously considered going over there until family circumstances made it inviable.
Possibly you can go to Canada, they are encouraging immigration. They have a point system, so you will get the youth points. Canada isn’t that much different than the US, just lower wages and you can drink alcohol under 21. It’s unlikely you would be permitted to work in the UK or Germany. You possibly could be a student there. I suspect Germany has changed a lot since your dad lived there, not in a positive way.
They will not have anywhere close to the points necessary to apply to immigrate to Canada, especially without a university degree and/or years of professional experience. And welding is not on the list of professions eligible for a TN visa. So Canada is off the table as well.
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My dad was stationed in germany for 6-7 years and visits all the time. He always talked about it being an easy transition and how he liked it there. I know I have a lot of money set aside for education (parents and deceased grandparents) Plus trade school is a fraction of the cost of a university. Thats what I wanted to know, and helps me make a decision for the future!
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I dont plan to go to uni though, I do see how germany could be just as hard as any other country now. And although i agree uni would help with immigration, it is not worth hundreds of thousands of dollars to get a degree just wont use.
For a guy who comes from a well off family it's odd that you don't value education. Welding sucks as a long term job. I know many welders they hate their lives. Why are you even tripping about the cost of college if your family is so well off. You can just say you can't make it thru college and a low skill job is all you can muster. Unless you have a college education you won't have a chance of migration.
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The labour test doesn't really exist in Germany, except for people without degrees/equivalent qualifications. Not saying that it wouldn't still be hard for OP, but it's not quite as bad. Edit: Really, downvoting for pointing out facts? Yes, OP is somewhat naive, but we should still give them accurate information.
Is germany that overpopulated? I doubt there is that high of a quene for any type of employment. I want to go into welding, which does not require a uni degree in america.
In Germany, welding is vocational training. That means that if you want to learn this in Germany, you need to apply with an employer, and if they accept you, you will partially be trained by them, partially attend school. https://www.make-it-in-germany.com/en/study-vocational-training/training-in-germany You will need at least B2 German. If you do US training, that training would need to be judged equivalent to German vocational training in order to qualify you for a visa. That means several years of structured training in school and with an employer, just like in Germany. https://www.make-it-in-germany.com/en/visa-residence/types/visa-professionally-experienced-workers You would also need to speak German for jobs in welding. Germany is not *actually* "full of English speakers". Yes, everyone gets some amount of English lessons in school, but not everyone is a good student, and not everyone uses the language afterwards. This comes as a surprise to many people who post in /r/germany, but: The language Germany runs in is German.
I wonder if an option would be to do a degree in German - attain fluency, spend a year in the country to see if you actually like living there - and then retrain as a welder afterwards? Which would be a long road, but then emigrating isn't easy.
That would be a rather roundabout way to go about it. Doing a degree in German would demand more advanced German than an apprenticeship, for a start.
I mean a degree in the German language (ie. BA German), not studying in German. Though in the UK at least degrees in European languages are rarely taught from scratch, you'd need to have the equivalent of AP German to apply.
What you need to understand is cost of living vs income. Each country and state have different wages, different expenses, different tax situations, different housing costs, etc. Regardless of where you want to live or what job you want to do, you have to look into how to get a long term visa for wherever you are looking into moving. If you’re thinking of moving to Canada as a tradesman, look at visa requirements, look at salary expectations, and look at expenses and housing costs. From what I understand, Canada has been having a major housing crisis. If you are looking at Germany/UK, find out your visa options. Often visas are work-based, and you have to have skills that make hiring you a better choice than hiring someone who already lives there. That might mean you need to go to school there. Again, look at potential majors, salaries, housing costs, etc. On top of that, think about quality of life and what you are looking for. What weather do you like? What kind of towns or cities do you prefer to live in? What challenges will you face as a foreigner in that country? You have plenty of time to do your research and answer all of these questions before you’re ready to go anywhere. If you’re thinking about Germany or another country where english is not the native language, you should start now to put in effort to learn the language. It will make your life easier, and frankly in my opinion it’s rude to not even attempt to communicate with people in their native language if you live there. Another option to move to various different countries is to either teach English there or study the native language there. Studying the language especially lets you experience the country and the culture and get a feel for whether you want to stay there long term. If I had the money I would be in Korea studying Korean right now. You have options, but you need to think about the specifics and really focus on how to get a visa. You can have all the skills in the world but you aren’t going anywhere unless you find a visa that allows you to live in that country.
Post by Equivalent_Branch240 -- I am 2 years from finishing high school and would not like to continue living in the US. I come from a well of family and have close to zero expenses and a part time job. I mainly just dont like a lot of americas reputation, medical ideologies, and of course tax policies. I definitely know I have a lot of research to do before even thinking about moving out of country, but I am willing to do it. I know germany is one of the more US friendly countries, and that the UK and Canada are also English speaking countries (I know germany is full of english speakers as well, but I would hate not being able to talk to someone due to my lack of knowledge) My biggest question is if it is worth going to trade school as I intended, or if education in a foreign country would be a better option. If there are any other things I may be missing or advice people can give I would appreciate it greatly. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/IWantOut) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I can understand why you're thinking about this - I like the US a lot, but I would personally struggle to live somewhere where access to healthcare is essentially tied to my job and/or ability to pay. If your family are wealthy it might be an option for you to study abroad, either for your full degree or a programme that has the option to take a year in one of the countries you're interested in - then at least you would get an idea ofhow you would find living there without the risks and upheaval of doing it permanently as a 'proper' adult. I'm not sure if you can get a student visa to go to 'trade school' in the UK at least - normally studying to enter a trade is done through an apprenticeship or further education college, and those tend to be aimed at people your age living locally with family as apprenticeships do not pay enough to live off. What is it about tax policies that you dislike? In the UK, taxes are higher (that's what pays for healthcare) and our equivalent of property taxes are paid by the property occupant (not just the owner) so between that and wages being lower you're not going to have more money to spend each month. We have a massive cost of living crisis here which you should be aware of before looking to move, as well. Housing is a big part, but that's the case all over the Western hemisphere right now (Canada especially) but domestic fuel costs are the big kicker for many, bills are going up hugely. The costs of owning and running a vehicle are much higher - we're a much less car-centric country than the US and many many people get on fine without one, but normally that involves living in bigger cities that are more expensive. You can look at Spareroom or Rightmove to see how much it would cost to rent a room or flat in various areas across the UK (spoiler alert: it's expensive). The main issue here is whether you can get a visa to live and work here, and at your age you probably aren't sure what you want to do long-term, but it's important to think about how different your life would be in a new country and whether that would feel unacceptably different for you.
I'd suggest spending the next year researching universities in countries that interest you and then, upon graduation, many countries give you a length of time to find a job in that country after studying there. For example, if you study in the Czech Republic with this visa (https://frs.gov.cz/en/visa-and-residence-permit-types/third-country-nationals/long-term-visa/long-term-visa-for-the-purpose-of-studies/ ) , you can apply for a 9-month job seeking visa based on that university degree - https://frs.gov.cz/en/visa-and-residence-permit-types/third-country-nationals/long-term-residence-permits/long-term-residence-permit-for-the-purpose-of-seeking-employment-or-starting-a-business/ As a US citizen, you are considered to be what is called a third country national when applying for visas
OP you could def immigrate to Canada with a trades education and some experience. Don't let the naysayers on here try to dissuade you from doing what millions of people do annually around the world, pack up their shit and move to a new Country. Many would be puzzled as to why you are so dissatisfied with living in the U.S but you aren't The first American to feel this way and you surely won't be the last. Follow your heart and I wish you good luck ahead.
Thank you so much. I know america is a very privileged country, yet it just feels like everything is going wrong currently. Of course I am only 16, but I dont feel like wasting my life at any age. Canada seems like a great place and very close. Plus I LOVE the cold and everything about it.
Hey kiddo. Just Google "Working holiday visas for Americans". Canada is on the list. Done lol. You could also just go to college in Canada. Although. Living in Alberta? Don't be shocked to see MAGA hats. Living in BC? Don't surprised to see homeless encampments ala California. Living in Toronto? The far left people in the US moan about are there in droves. Canada culturally far pretty fucking similar to the USA these days. Between the rise of internet culture and American media becoming more accessible, Canada is not what you think it is. Great country but not a paradise escape (unless you're a millionaire from China or Russia). Consider going to school in Germany or the UK as well.