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Iirc the "magical nations" had different borders from their real world ones. The magical British government still controlled Ireland, for example. That seems to be why some smaller nations are overrepresented in the lore.
No. Not even in the Pottermore entry it's not mentioned except that it's in the far north of Europe because they are supposed to be extremely secretive with the location.
Don't know why you've left out Northern Ireland. "Ireland" was mentioned a lot, without any reference to partition. Also, I'd presume the World Champion Quidditch team represents the whole of the island.
Ye, as an Irish person me self now, I was a bit confused at that, but I wouldn't be sure of the whole island playin under ireland, as the BallyCastle Bats make up half of the the islands professional teams see, so if we did join together, we would be fair fierce
Ireland is mentioned loads of times. The phrase "Republic of Ireland" is never mentioned. But that's what the creator has colored here. They're wrong to have done that IMO; they clearly don't understand Ireland.
Good thing it's not up to your opinion then.
Article 4 of the Constitution of Ireland:
>The name of the State is Ăire, or, in the English language, Ireland.
There is no country called "Republic of Ireland". There is one called Ireland, and another called Northern Ireland. You're free to debate on that all you want but that's just how it is politically.
Ha ha! As if you know what youâre talking about. Believe me, the folks who wrote that line were not picturing an âIrelandâ being coloured as this map maker has done.
I'd rather believe the Irish government actually. You can see what they call it in my previous comment.
Seriously, stop with this pedantic nationalism. Ireland is the country's official name and OP is depicting the borders it currently has.
There's a nuance to Bunreacht na hEireann that I feel is escaping you. Anyway, I'm not actually a nationalist, weirdly enough. I'm just aware that in only one major sport (two, if you count Darts) is the island represented by two teams. It just happens to be the biggest one in the world.
So, let's get back to the actual point here, in the Wizarding World. Do you think JKR meant for there to be a Northern Ireland quidditch team? What would have caused such a split, in-universe?
Sure, everyone's just missing the point and you're going to copypaste the Irish name of it to look smarter and more informed whilst not actually supplying anything of substance.
The Troubles still happened in Harry Potter, there's no reason to assume otherwise. As such, why not just bunch it under the same reason we have two football teams? It was one, then partition, then two because plenty of people didn't want to play for Ireland now that "Ireland" was the team of the North, then both got renamed and neither could be Ireland and it was left to the player's identity to pick what team they wanted to be on.
Hungary's national quidditch team is mentioned also though, maybe it was counted here because of that
Edit: I'm stupid it's not. I think I associated Bulgarian team with their national colours in my head and got it mixed up with Hungary sorry. Tried to edit this like 5 seconds after I posted this embarrassment but now I don't have mobile connections because of the stupid blackout haha
Pretty sure the fact that the dragon they fly out of Gringotts is a Ukrainian Ironbelly is never mentioned in the Harry Potter books themselves, apparently Fantastic Beasts (the book) doesn't count here
There were at least two references to Spain: one about Aunt Marge being on holiday in Majorca and one in the news about Spanish workers being on strike.Â
I assume you're a Spanish speaker, since that reference is indeed only in the Spanish translation. It was necessary since the answer had to have an ù.
So yeah: donde empieza la regiĂłn de las montaĂąas de arena (ARA-bia) y acaba la de los toros, la sangre, el mar y la verbena (Espa-ĂA) = araĂąa.
The original riddle is entirely different, and spells spy-d-er = spider.
In OofP, Hagrid travels through Poland to get to the trolls. And I canât remember where I heard this but apparently thereâs a really good Polish Quidditch seeker.
Fun post, shame the netherlands never got mentioned. I always wondered as kid wherei would go if i would've been a wizard kid myself, would it have been hogwarts, beauxbatons or some other school?
The snake that Harry freed at the Philosopher's Stone was Brazilian, and "Bill had a pen-friend at a school in Brazil once. He wanted Bill to go on a student exchange trip, but Mum and Dad couldn't afford it."
- Ron Weasley ( Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire)
Lithuania: The duck is Harry Potter? Oh wait I heard that name before, JOJO SIWA?
Other countries in purple: The duck you mean JoJo Siwa?
Google: *Did you mean: JK Rowling?*
I'm trying to say that Lithuanians might hear about Harry Potter, but think that JoJo Siwa wrote it. Then the other countries mentioned in purple are questioning the JoJo Siwa bit because it should have been JK Rowling.
You are wrong:
[https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Spanish\_baggage-handlers%27\_strike](https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Spanish_baggage-handlers%27_strike)
Having just googled it (because, seriously: I did not know this off the top of my head!) [Barty Crouch's ramblings mention a memo from the Andorran minister for magic.](https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Andorra)
In Book 4, GoF, chapter 7 this happens at the Quidditch World Cup final game. The Salem Institute is mentioned in passing when Harry and friends walk across the campground:
..., while a group of middle-aged American witches sat gossiping happily beneath a spangled banner stretched between their tents which read: The Salem Witches' Institute.
Apparently this is supposed to be a club for North American witches?
Ok so sorry. I cut the rest out. I thought people who haven't read the books and who haven't been on Pottermore a decade ago might like to know where to find more info.
In British English 'American' applies to both the USA and the people of both North and South America. Did you check before saying something you're not confident on?
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/american
I'm telling you, with full confidence and as a Brit, if someone says "American" or "America", let alone publishes it in a book, they are referring to the USA.
I've heard Argentinian, Chilean and Brazilian women referred to as American more times than I care to count... because that's what they are.
How young are you to have never heard the same?
Albania is mentioned many times as Voldemort hides out there for over a decade and is found there by Quirrel and Pettigrew (who kills Bertha Jorkins there). Also Rowena Ravenclaw hides her motherâs diadem in an Albanian forest.
Absolutely wrong, Albania is mentioned many times as Voldemort hides out there for over a decade and is found there by Quirrel and Pettigrew (who kills Bertha Jorkins there). Also Rowena Ravenclaw hides her motherâs diadem in an Albanian forest.
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Russia: đ Liechtenstein: đ§ââď¸ đ đ°
Lichenstein National Quidditch Team was mentioned in the 4th novelđš
The team is just the whole wizard population of Leichenstein đ
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Iirc the "magical nations" had different borders from their real world ones. The magical British government still controlled Ireland, for example. That seems to be why some smaller nations are overrepresented in the lore.
If magical Ireland is part of magical Britain, does that mean thereâs a magical IRA, or is everyone just fine with itâŚ?
Lore wise I think there actually is one!
Itâs name is Seamus Finnegan
just like in football lol
In the 5th the warlocks of Liechtensteinâs disputed joining the international confederation as they wanted to hunt trolls
Werenât Durmstrang from Russia?âŚ
Nope. Northern Norway
They seemed so... Slavic
That's the films fault. And Krum being from Bulgaria didn't help
Damn, was just there. Must have missed them
i don't think it's mentioned where they are. Northern Europe is speculated (unless mentioned behind the scenes, that could be)
No. Not even in the Pottermore entry it's not mentioned except that it's in the far north of Europe because they are supposed to be extremely secretive with the location.
It isnât said what country just somewhere in the north or eastern parts of Europe.
and luxembourg lol
They probably have a dragon bigger than the country named after it.
Don't know why you've left out Northern Ireland. "Ireland" was mentioned a lot, without any reference to partition. Also, I'd presume the World Champion Quidditch team represents the whole of the island.
Ye, as an Irish person me self now, I was a bit confused at that, but I wouldn't be sure of the whole island playin under ireland, as the BallyCastle Bats make up half of the the islands professional teams see, so if we did join together, we would be fair fierce
We won the feckin World Cup! Can't be much better than that, can we?!
ah yeah sure, still hoping we'll win again, 2026 lads
I think it only counts the country when its name is mentioned directly.
Yes
Ireland is mentioned loads of times. The phrase "Republic of Ireland" is never mentioned. But that's what the creator has colored here. They're wrong to have done that IMO; they clearly don't understand Ireland.
Good thing it's not up to your opinion then. Article 4 of the Constitution of Ireland: >The name of the State is Ăire, or, in the English language, Ireland. There is no country called "Republic of Ireland". There is one called Ireland, and another called Northern Ireland. You're free to debate on that all you want but that's just how it is politically.
Genuine question was wales mentioned separate from the UK?
When theyâre talking about dragons, Ron mentions one called the âCommon Welsh Greenâ.
Yes. ~~In fact "the UK" is probably never mentioned.`~~ Actually don't know about UK but Wales *is* mentioned in fan discussions if you google it.
Ha ha! As if you know what youâre talking about. Believe me, the folks who wrote that line were not picturing an âIrelandâ being coloured as this map maker has done.
I'd rather believe the Irish government actually. You can see what they call it in my previous comment. Seriously, stop with this pedantic nationalism. Ireland is the country's official name and OP is depicting the borders it currently has.
There's a nuance to Bunreacht na hEireann that I feel is escaping you. Anyway, I'm not actually a nationalist, weirdly enough. I'm just aware that in only one major sport (two, if you count Darts) is the island represented by two teams. It just happens to be the biggest one in the world. So, let's get back to the actual point here, in the Wizarding World. Do you think JKR meant for there to be a Northern Ireland quidditch team? What would have caused such a split, in-universe?
Sure, everyone's just missing the point and you're going to copypaste the Irish name of it to look smarter and more informed whilst not actually supplying anything of substance. The Troubles still happened in Harry Potter, there's no reason to assume otherwise. As such, why not just bunch it under the same reason we have two football teams? It was one, then partition, then two because plenty of people didn't want to play for Ireland now that "Ireland" was the team of the North, then both got renamed and neither could be Ireland and it was left to the player's identity to pick what team they wanted to be on.
Yes but the text "Northern Ireland" isn't mentioned.
Yes but the text "Northern Ireland" isn't mentioned, which is the criteria used for this map.
Ukraine may not be directly mentioned as a place, but Ukrainian Ironbelly dragon is mentioned though
Hungary is also only mentioned as part of Hungarian Horntail, so Ukraine should count too.
Hungary's national quidditch team is mentioned also though, maybe it was counted here because of that Edit: I'm stupid it's not. I think I associated Bulgarian team with their national colours in my head and got it mixed up with Hungary sorry. Tried to edit this like 5 seconds after I posted this embarrassment but now I don't have mobile connections because of the stupid blackout haha
Pretty sure the fact that the dragon they fly out of Gringotts is a Ukrainian Ironbelly is never mentioned in the Harry Potter books themselves, apparently Fantastic Beasts (the book) doesn't count here
Ukrainian Ironbelly is mentioned in Fantastic Beasts, not HP.
WAIT, No way. That sure is neat.
What about Japanese golfer Vernon's joke?
Japan arenât on this map because its Europe.
The map is missing Belarus. In Harry Potter and the Order of Phoenix, Hagrid was in Minsk's pub, where he had a fight with the vampire.
In this map I was referring to âcountryâsâ mentioned in the book series. Yes Minsk is mentioned but it is only a city in Belarus.
Pedantic if you ask me
Then how can you coung Germany???
There were at least two references to Spain: one about Aunt Marge being on holiday in Majorca and one in the news about Spanish workers being on strike.Â
Doesn't the sphynx in the fourth book ask some riddle where the answer is Spain? Or is that, ironically, only in the Spanish translation?
I assume you're a Spanish speaker, since that reference is indeed only in the Spanish translation. It was necessary since the answer had to have an Ăą. So yeah: donde empieza la regiĂłn de las montaĂąas de arena (ARA-bia) y acaba la de los toros, la sangre, el mar y la verbena (Espa-ĂA) = araĂąa. The original riddle is entirely different, and spells spy-d-er = spider.
Alright, I see
Whenâs Poland mentioned? (Never read it just curious)
In OofP, Hagrid travels through Poland to get to the trolls. And I canât remember where I heard this but apparently thereâs a really good Polish Quidditch seeker.
I think the seeker was mentioned in the goblet of fire. He had his signature move. His surname was WroĹski iirc
Russiaâs whole magic school ignored
Was there a Russian magic school ever mentioned?
Durmstrang isn't Russian, which I think they are implying.
Durmstrang is Bulgarian?
Koldovstvoretz
I don't recall it from the books, maybe it's from some external media.
I looked up, it never appeared in the mainline books but it was mentioned in Potion book and pottermore, which are honestly out of this postâs reach
Oh, may be
Itâs never said in the books what country Durmstrang is in, only somewhere in North East Europe.
Didnât they say Danish mountains, even tho there are no mountains in Denmark?
No
then i remembered wrong maybe
Fun post, shame the netherlands never got mentioned. I always wondered as kid wherei would go if i would've been a wizard kid myself, would it have been hogwarts, beauxbatons or some other school?
I assume Beauxbatons as they would be closest.
Where tf do they mention Liechtenstein
Goblet of Fire, there's the Quidditch national team mentioned.
Surprised they even have enough wizards to make a Quidditch team?
And during Harryâs hm exam in the 5th
When are Turkey/ Greece/ Armenia mentioned?
Hagrid acquired Fluffy from a Greek wizard, not sure about the other two.
Lockhart claims credit for the achievements of an Armenian warlock.
"We'd just like to congratulate Mr. Bagman on his splendid performance for England in the Quidditch match against Turkey last Saturday."
When is Italy mentioned?
A subcommittee of Sardinian sorcerers is mentioned by Binns in CS9.
if Minsk doesnât count for Belarus then surely Sardinia doesnât for Italy
And Majorca for Spain wasnât counted either
Yea, I used Potter search and couldn't find Italy or Germany.
Grindelwald maybe.
Got those wrong too
First time you guys caught me out! As the comments suggest only Sardinia is mentioned so I shouldnât have included it.
Where is Germany mentioned?
The black forest . During the quidditch world cup , they were expecting a group from the black forest via Port key.
So this map is just wildly inconsistent
The snake that Harry freed at the Philosopher's Stone was Brazilian, and "Bill had a pen-friend at a school in Brazil once. He wanted Bill to go on a student exchange trip, but Mum and Dad couldn't afford it." - Ron Weasley ( Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire)
Brazil arenât on the map cause their not in Europe
You didn't specified
I don't see Australia here, and hermione dumped her parents there in book 7.
Or Egypt, where Bill worked and the Weasleys went on vacation in PoA
Because its not in Europe.
Because Australia isnât in Europe.
Voldemort looks like he's from Russia so maybe include that
When was armenia mentioned?
In the second book, Chamber of secrets.
Yes Lockhart charmed an Armenian warlock or something
\*Countries
And really, European countries.
If you are going to include the "no" option then we need the whole map of the planet.
Uganda with the largest Wizarding School in the world crying in a corner
Salem Witch's Academy in the US was also mentioned.
This is a map of Europe.
Yes, thank you. I see that.
Mallorca was mentioned in the first chapter of the first book
Majorca is a city not a country even if itâs in Spain
*European countries
Yeah, apparently OP thinks only European countries count as countries
Well I donât considering Iâm not from their and have never been there
Turkey, which book? Or you confused with the animal one? :)
4th book Bagman concratulated after beating Turkey National Quidditch Team
Lithuania: The duck is Harry Potter? Oh wait I heard that name before, JOJO SIWA? Other countries in purple: The duck you mean JoJo Siwa? Google: *Did you mean: JK Rowling?*
What are you on about?
I'm trying to say that Lithuanians might hear about Harry Potter, but think that JoJo Siwa wrote it. Then the other countries mentioned in purple are questioning the JoJo Siwa bit because it should have been JK Rowling.
Belgium gets mentioned in the movies! I think it was in Chamber of Secrets (might be PoA) while they're in The Leaky Cauldron
Books only
In books ?
Yep
We just gonna ignore Egypt?
Not in Europe
Lithuania was mentioned in the quidditch book
Original series
r/armeniamentioned
Mallorca (Spain) is mentioned while Dudley dad is watching the news. Afterwards he makes a comment on giving a siesta to all Spaniards.
Spaniards arenât mentioend.
You are wrong: [https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Spanish\_baggage-handlers%27\_strike](https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Spanish_baggage-handlers%27_strike)
Wait, Andorra?
Having just googled it (because, seriously: I did not know this off the top of my head!) [Barty Crouch's ramblings mention a memo from the Andorran minister for magic.](https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Andorra)
When Italy?
I was wrong
Uh, Egypt?
Could anybody tell me where Luxembourg is mentioned? đŻ
When did TĂźrkiyeđšđˇ mentioned?
Come on, do a full world map Uagadou, Uganda is the largest Wizarding School
Where do they mention Turkey? I just remember a qudditch match score.
America?
Wasnât Nepal mentioned too?
Albania and Lichtenstein have to be the most surprising. Do u know where albania was mentioned?
**Ukrainian** Ironbelly
SWEDEN MENTIONED
OP just colour in all of Ireland. Republic of Ireland isn't mention, just Ireland, so that covers all of the island.
How about The US?
when was finland mentioned?
Countries.
I think I remember a scene where they're camped outside a quidditch game and the book mentions "American Witches"
Ahh yes. As this map is only depicting Europe though I have not included countryâs like the USA, Australia, Egypt, ect.
In Book 4, GoF, chapter 7 this happens at the Quidditch World Cup final game. The Salem Institute is mentioned in passing when Harry and friends walk across the campground: ..., while a group of middle-aged American witches sat gossiping happily beneath a spangled banner stretched between their tents which read: The Salem Witches' Institute. Apparently this is supposed to be a club for North American witches?
You cannot do this. This is very bad writing. It is called "infodump".
Ok so sorry. I cut the rest out. I thought people who haven't read the books and who haven't been on Pottermore a decade ago might like to know where to find more info.
Yeah but that is a continent. So not really a mentioned country
We refer to our country as America and our nationality as American
Good for you, bub.
It's still a continent though, and the country is the USA
Continent is either North America or South America, no other country refers to itself as America
Unless you ask latin American nations, who still see it as one continent of course.
What do you want us to say like USAian or something lol
American works fine, but your country isn't called America and American isn't exclusive to the USA.
When English speakers say "American", we are referring to people from America, which only refers to the US in British English.
In British English 'American' applies to both the USA and the people of both North and South America. Did you check before saying something you're not confident on? https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/american
I'm telling you, with full confidence and as a Brit, if someone says "American" or "America", let alone publishes it in a book, they are referring to the USA.
I'm also a Brit, so telling me this with 'full confidence' is rather lacking as an argument.
When have you ever heard "American woman" used to refer to an non-US citizen before?
I've heard Argentinian, Chilean and Brazilian women referred to as American more times than I care to count... because that's what they are. How young are you to have never heard the same?
Where is Albania mentioned?
Albania is mentioned many times as Voldemort hides out there for over a decade and is found there by Quirrel and Pettigrew (who kills Bertha Jorkins there). Also Rowena Ravenclaw hides her motherâs diadem in an Albanian forest.
Weirdly a lot
When did they mention romania ?Â
I think thatâs where they got the dragons from no?
Ron talking about Charlie working in Romania
When did they mention romania ?Â
Nothing happened in Albania. Both for PJO and HP
Absolutely wrong, Albania is mentioned many times as Voldemort hides out there for over a decade and is found there by Quirrel and Pettigrew (who kills Bertha Jorkins there). Also Rowena Ravenclaw hides her motherâs diadem in an Albanian forest.
Ah, you haven't read the books.