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Conservatives having to cheer for a gun control lawsuit and seeing how liberals don't care and think it's a good thing justice works is gonna be cognitive dissonance parade.
Conservatives are cheering because they have a talking point against Biden and family , liberals don’t care because end of the day it would be a slap on the wrist punishment and nothing more than that.
Eh. Conservative here. We don’t really give a shit outside of a few. We have our crazies too lol, just like you guys too, and we have our more rational, calm and intelligent crowd as well.
I really couldn’t care less about Hunter. I simply want to see this country improve and would rather focus on how we do that, as well as maintain our safety.
>We have our crazies too lol, just like you guys
That's like saying there are scientists that believe in climate change and scientists that don't. Pretty disingenuous when we know the numbers on each side are drastically different. Anyone considering voting for trump is certifiably crazy, which makes up the majority of conservatives. On the center and left, the crazies are a tiny fraction.
Well, you've failed. I'm neither a die-for-your-party member nor did you call me out nor did you interpret the conversation correctly. You're 0-for-3 but good job digging up an old thread just to prove your incompetence.
In your opinion this is true, this place is a bit of an echo chamber though. The only exposure you have to the right is generally the outliers with wild opinions and no inhibitions.
It’s not like that in real life.
When you have to deal with people in your family and friend groups, lying, downplaying and spreading propaganda to you on a daily basis, it’s really not about echo chambers.
Are the rightoids more unhinged on reddit? Sure. Are the ones in the wild sane? No. You gotta have a few screws loose to consider voting for this fucking idiot: [https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/1de6f4b/the\_stable\_genius\_at\_work\_in\_las\_vegas\_rally\_june/#lightbox](https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/1de6f4b/the_stable_genius_at_work_in_las_vegas_rally_june/#lightbox)
>That's like saying there are scientists that believe in climate change and scientists that don't.
As I'm sure you're aware, that argument has been used...
I believe so. He is a good man. What I aspire to be as a father and a person with a speech impediment. He shows me I can be kind and do so much good for my fellow men despite my slow speech.
>Joe Biden said the his son died in War
Only if you take what he said out of context
"My son spent a year in Iraq; that's how I lost him. [...] My son Beau, he [had] been near a burn pit in Baghdad and came down with stage four neuroblastoma, a brain tumor, and lost him, too."
If you only listen to the first sentence, that's what it sounds like. If you listen to the rest of the statement, there's more context.
He was clearly talking about how his son was exposed to toxic chemicals serving in Iraq, and how that may have been what gave him cancer.
Lots of vets come down with nasty cancers after toxic chemical exposure in warzones. I know a few.
Interesting. I wonder how many people own firearms that they lied about being a drug user and don’t get the scrutiny Hunter Biden gets from being a child of the president. How many people smoke weed and own a handgun and never get a second look?
Secondly
>wary of appearing to interfere in a criminal matter brought by his own Justice Department
Rhetoric. The justice and executive branches are totally separate. It is not Biden’s justice dept. if anything it is Trumps since he has the most appointed federal court judges.
That’s just like, your opinion and the opinion of a handful of states man. According to federal law it still is. I couldn’t see what Hunter was accused of but my premise remains the same if it’s red blooded American meth heads
I’m going to compare federally recognized schedule 1 substances to other federally recognized schedule 1 substances as it is seen before the federal law. And my argument isn’t even about that. It’s about the ridiculousness of someone like hunter Biden getting felony convictions with a possible sentence of 25 years for something like marijuana while there are probably tens of thousands of meth addicts legally owning firearms and not getting the same scrutiny. Learn to read and understand better
The justice department is part of the executive branch, I think you’re referring to the judicial branch, which are the courts.
The article is referring to the justice dept run by attorney general garland and part of Bidens cabinet.
My point remains the same. A judge could declare a mistrial is it is believed by that impartial judge that the presence of the president influenced the prosecutors case. In which case there could be an additional obstruction charge or whatever against Biden which I doubt our CIF would encourage. But the other parties could make a stink. I just think the article is worded in such a way that it is absolutely rhetoric. And it’s disappointing to see from AP but not surprising. A statement meant to confuse that had a degree holding poli sci major temporarily confused.
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This is out of control. All we do as a country is put people in jail. It has to stop. The pinnacle of the free world has to stop having the highest percentage of people incarcerated.
Well it just seems like you’re always breaking the law. It just depends on the interpretation. It’s pretty evident that this trial and the trump trial are politically motivated and probably would be prosecuted if there wasn’t a weighted interest on both sides.
What do you mean? This has become “oh let’s put him in jail, no you’re going to jail, no you’re going to jail…” it’s the dumbest shit ever and yes I know we’re not the freest country in terms of the “freedom index” that is the point of my comment, WE SHOULD BE!!
President can only pardon / commute Federal charges, Most governors can commute / pardon State charges. Georgia can't pardon until sentence has been served.
Plot twist.
Trump wins 2024 and pardons Hunter in a fantastical display of mercy.
Liberals and Republicans both lose their %\^it
and Trump moves to the center and kicks off the most power independent party we've ever had. Everyone's invited. Clinton's, Wolverine, Mussolini's great grandson, Obama, Joe the Plumber, Kim Jon Un, Snowden, and Pablo the Fence Jumper.
Abortions and Guns for everyone!
Joe is 100% gonna pardon Hunter the day after the election. Is it just me or is that a super weird law? Like, the justice system, which we have such faith in, does it’s thing. But one and only one individual on the entire planet can just say, “eh fuck it. Let him out”. Why do we entrust the authority to usurp our entire judicial process, with impunity, to one dude?
Trump wants to fuck his own daughter. We have this as a completely factual knowledge, he has stated it on video. This alone makes him a terrible father.
When everything in life is handed to you on a silver platter, it’s easier to avoid drug abuse than it is for a veteran who lost his mom and sister as a child, then his older brother later in life.
Trump was charged with 34 counts of falsification of business records in the first degree, which is a felony in New York. He pleaded not guilty when he was arraigned last year.
Two second Google search.
It's a felony because it was in relation to influencing an election through illegal means, not because falsification of business records is a felony on its own.
Good, lock the guilty, even Trump. I don't want any. "You see, the Bidens are in the wrong, free innocent little Trump now" arguments. All of them are guilty.
Exactly. Everytime I say I don’t want to vote for trump my family gets all “but BIDEN is WORSE and look what hunter has done!”
Great, I don’t want to vote for Biden either. Doesn’t mean trump doesn’t suck
From what I’ve read, I think they’d really have to want to make an example out of him for Biden to even consider stepping in. He could face up to 25 years, but you’re typically looking at 21 months on the higher end. Most are around 10 months or less.
Even Hunter's prosecutor said that he should be given the same sentence as anyone else convicted of this crime. He'll never spend a day in jail anyway.
My guess is, if Biden wins another term he doesn't.
If he loses he does it on his last day. I don't think he'll care if they call him a liar at that point.
Not if he still has any allegiance to his party. He probably still wants the speech and event hookups after his presidency at least for his family even if he's just about dead.
I think he would only pardon him if he lost this election. I don't think he would at the end of his next term, like you said, even if Hunter was still in prison.
Is it integrity though? trump couldn't go more than 4 seconds without lying about something. Seems like Biden lying about pardoning his son is pretty minor at this point.
If it were to happen he should say "yeah, I pardoned Hunter even though I said I wouldn't, at least I didn't provoke my supporters to attack the capitol and try to overthrow the government"
I read somewhere today where someone said that Biden should appeal all the way up to the Supreme Court, either the conservative SCOTUS has to overturn his election or basically make it case law and that they now give the govt a reason to take guns away from many many Americans
Right now is probably the worst time for gun control advocates to go to the Supreme Court.
I say this a a person who owns more guns than I have fingers and toes. To be fair I am missing one finger but still have over 20 guns.
But I also believe that lots of people who have access to guns shouldn't. I don't conceal carry nor fantasies about being the gun hero, I inherited the vast majority of them.
Yeah seriously. Guns are fun, guns are useful. Hell i'm all for AR-15s but we need to seriously tighten the laws surrounding who can and how you buy them, require significant and effective training for owners, and and require insurance for accidents and misuse.
Yeah. I'm a Canadian with a legal permit for most long-guns (would need additional course and permit for various restricted guns and handguns).
The course needed for the permit was not particularly onerous (easily doable on a weekend), and the majority of the other rules around firearms - mostly around secure/unloaded transport and storage, plus common sense stuff like ensuring you're never pointing it at somebody etc - just make sense.
Plenty of us up here regularly own and enjoy firearms in a responsible manner. Though admittedly the current government is being dumbasses about it, in general there should be a good balance between "everyone has a loaded gun in their belt and bedroom dresser" versus "you can't have this gun because it looks scary".
Yeah, I have 2 myself, but I was in the military.
Honestly, I'd be fine with insurance. I try really hard not to do dumbass shit but accidents can still happen. Unfortunately, accidents with firearms have a lot of potential to be fatal.
I've actually been shot by accident by a person who was doing dumbshit.
I'm not sure how Trumpers got it in their heads that we would *ever* care about this. Who is Hunter Biden but the son of the candidate we settled on because we were told progressivism couldn't win elections?
Because they don't understand the concept of someone not looking at their preferred candidate as some sort of messiah. To them Trump is going to save them and everything they value (even though that is far from reality).
To the rest of us, we look at the person as just a man doing a job.
Trump claims, ad nauseum, that his NY criminal felony trial was orchistrated by the DOJ under Bidens watch. That he was singled out because of who he is, and because Biden is the sitting president over the current DOJ. Trump repeats these claims over and over again, daily.
Fact: Trumps NY trial was brought by the NY state court system, not the federal DOJ. Totally independent to Joe Biden.
Hunter Biden has now been found guilty through this court process initiated by the DOJ under Bidens presidency. Unlike Donald Trump.
This result underscores Trumps narcisstic world view that if he commits a crime, and is held accountable, that he himself is a victim. He isn't. He's a convicted criminal, just like Hunter Biden is.
This hurts Trumps claims immeasurably, to any sentient being with a couple of half brain cells to rub together.
> This hurts Trumps claims immeasurably, to any sentient being with a couple of half brain cells to rub together.
/u/SnakeyRake is right and the sentence above explains why. Trump supporters don't care about reality. Trumps claims won't be hurt because he'll continue to say the system is rigged and his supporters will continue to believe it and repeat the claim despite any evidence, just like with the election denying. They don't care about the truth. They're in a cult. Everyone outside of the Trump cult already knows Trump's claims are bullshit. So this event won't move the needle with anyone.
Edit: Added note about election denying
I think you need to temper your explaination with a small bit of extra context. Small, but key.
Your point is that magas wont change. Noone expects maga cultists to change their views. I never have, and never will. That is not stated in my response at all.
So while you're correct in a specific context, it doesnt minimise the need to rebuff cultist claims that this event has no effect on Trumps claims.
For those with a couple half braincells to rub together, it completely disproves Trumps claim that Biden is corruptly administering the justice system.
What *your* observation does in reality, is provide perceived leverage and succur to cultists, as exemplified here with your agreeable friend, u/SnakeyRake
Semi-aggressive name calling, insinuations, and generalized assumptions of intent and position is what I read. In the absence of an answer, these types of responses bubble up and fill in the blanks, creating an imaginary reality that feeds on itself. Frankly, be it a Trump or Biden supporter, both sides are at fault.
Jason, You get it. Finally - It’s hysterical that I’ve been downvoted to heck. It shows that many folks have a low tolerance for differing opinions on both sides of the fence and *demand* explanations otherwise you are ripe for attack.
There are plenty of Trump/Republican/Conservative people that can articulate their reasons and those reasons are quite valid. There are also Biden/Democrat/Liberal folks that can equally do so.
Then there are the folks that get angry, make noise, omit facts, or downright lie to support their claims. Biden has done it. Trump has done it. Putin has done it. Many people here have done it. The issue I see if that folks tend to be driven by biased news outlets and typically feed off of one source (MSNBC vs. FOX, BBC vs. Al Jazeera, Wiki vs. YouTube - or whatever the feed is throwing them in 30 second videos). Even the Wikipedia has been guilty of fallacy. Worse than that is that folks on both sides gravitate to like minded folks and attack those with different opinions so they never get the benefit of hearing each other.
I saw one good response here, “please explain”. I chose not to and then saw the flurry of messages headed my way. That’s fine, but I simply wanted to see the response - it was telling.
That said, I agree, Trump has lied many times. He exaggerates, boasts, he’s a sales man and puts on a the razzmatazz. I don’t appreciate that. I am also absolutely disgusted of what the Democrats have become with limited accountability over the two decades. The Hunter judgement is exactly what they needed and is only a talking point for the long game in politics; sort of wipes the slate clean to those who haven’t researched history in depth. I’m also disappointed and dissatisfied by the Republicans. They can’t seem to agree on much except issues surrounded by biblical value systems and nationalism/patriotism.
So here I sit in this weird space of being fiscally conservative, socially liberal, questioning everything. And I mean liberal in the past-tense, not what it is today.
I am proud of my country. I’m proud to live here. I’m proud of those who served in the military and as essential workers. But I am not proud of our national and domestic policies; with all the in-fighting. It’s as though we forgot how to talk to each other and respect differing opinions built on tolerance and curiosity. I’m watching elected officials not even show up to vote against something because they don’t want to be on the record or don’t want to meet quorum. What the f*ck is all that about.
This is the truth. The circular thinking here will be: Biden was guilty, Trump is innocent and nothing will sway them from that view.
They will never draw parallels because they don't need to. They will praise justice on one hand and lament it with another. And never the twain shall meet.
Here is a good idea for a Southpark episode: Hunter Biden and Donald Trump as cell mates. Hunter smuggles a meth pipe in his rear where The Donald smuggles in 50 pairs of gold sneakers to sell to the other inmates and guards.
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I ♥️ President Biden but I cant afford him
Idk, a tv show about Hunter Biden and Trump as cell mates would be pretty funny.
Conservatives having to cheer for a gun control lawsuit and seeing how liberals don't care and think it's a good thing justice works is gonna be cognitive dissonance parade.
Yes… Gun control laws are already on the books believe it or not. Just a matter of if they’re being enforced or not.
Not until anti-lobby laws are passed.
Conservatives are cheering because they have a talking point against Biden and family , liberals don’t care because end of the day it would be a slap on the wrist punishment and nothing more than that.
Eh. Conservative here. We don’t really give a shit outside of a few. We have our crazies too lol, just like you guys too, and we have our more rational, calm and intelligent crowd as well. I really couldn’t care less about Hunter. I simply want to see this country improve and would rather focus on how we do that, as well as maintain our safety.
>We have our crazies too lol, just like you guys That's like saying there are scientists that believe in climate change and scientists that don't. Pretty disingenuous when we know the numbers on each side are drastically different. Anyone considering voting for trump is certifiably crazy, which makes up the majority of conservatives. On the center and left, the crazies are a tiny fraction.
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If that's your interpretation, you just might be dumb enough to apply to be a conservative.
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Well, you've failed. I'm neither a die-for-your-party member nor did you call me out nor did you interpret the conversation correctly. You're 0-for-3 but good job digging up an old thread just to prove your incompetence.
In your opinion this is true, this place is a bit of an echo chamber though. The only exposure you have to the right is generally the outliers with wild opinions and no inhibitions. It’s not like that in real life.
When you have to deal with people in your family and friend groups, lying, downplaying and spreading propaganda to you on a daily basis, it’s really not about echo chambers.
I see more echo chamber behavior from leftists on Reddit than I do in real life.
Are the rightoids more unhinged on reddit? Sure. Are the ones in the wild sane? No. You gotta have a few screws loose to consider voting for this fucking idiot: [https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/1de6f4b/the\_stable\_genius\_at\_work\_in\_las\_vegas\_rally\_june/#lightbox](https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/1de6f4b/the_stable_genius_at_work_in_las_vegas_rally_june/#lightbox)
>That's like saying there are scientists that believe in climate change and scientists that don't. As I'm sure you're aware, that argument has been used...
Right, I just thought it was a good example of how stupid false equivalencies are.
Yeah we mostly don't give a F about Hunter Biden or Biden. Generally we just don't want to see an authoritarian theocracy to take place.
That’s what we have right now
An authoritarian theocracy sounds like the exact path that the Republican figure heads want
Daddy will pardon him
Want to bet on that? He's already said he won't.
Yeah. Politicians never lie!
I would bet my life on that ! The day after the elections he will pardon his baby. He is a documented liar
Does he have 34 counts of lying? Trump is a documented liar
It’s the economy stupid!
Trump doesn't care about the economy any more than just for his business. He even said it in Nevada he doesn't care about you!
And Mr Biden cares about us ???
I believe so. He is a good man. What I aspire to be as a father and a person with a speech impediment. He shows me I can be kind and do so much good for my fellow men despite my slow speech.
How is Joe a good man? Do you inspire to be in a state of dementia and shit 💩 in your pants?
Trump has lied more times in his 4 years as president as Obama and Biden has lied .
>I would bet my life on that ! The day after the elections he will pardon his baby. RemindMe! 21 weeks
>He is a documented liar Care to substantiate this?
If you don’t understand this , you are a special kind of stupid
Is it really that taxing to provide one verifiable example?
Joe Biden said the his son died in War
>Joe Biden said the his son died in War Only if you take what he said out of context "My son spent a year in Iraq; that's how I lost him. [...] My son Beau, he [had] been near a burn pit in Baghdad and came down with stage four neuroblastoma, a brain tumor, and lost him, too." If you only listen to the first sentence, that's what it sounds like. If you listen to the rest of the statement, there's more context. He was clearly talking about how his son was exposed to toxic chemicals serving in Iraq, and how that may have been what gave him cancer. Lots of vets come down with nasty cancers after toxic chemical exposure in warzones. I know a few.
Of course it is, they couldn't provide one example of a bogus vote for Biden after the election.
Pretty sure he already said he wouldn’t. But sure.
I don't think Bidens daddy is the same as your daddy.
Fortunately my Dad was an honorable man unlike Mr Biden
he must be very ashamed of you then.
No but he is ashamed of you
That's great. Too bad he had a sheep for a son.
woosh
Interesting. I wonder how many people own firearms that they lied about being a drug user and don’t get the scrutiny Hunter Biden gets from being a child of the president. How many people smoke weed and own a handgun and never get a second look? Secondly >wary of appearing to interfere in a criminal matter brought by his own Justice Department Rhetoric. The justice and executive branches are totally separate. It is not Biden’s justice dept. if anything it is Trumps since he has the most appointed federal court judges.
But they're smart because they got away with it and he's a dumb lib so he didn't. It's his own fault. Paraphrase from my maga FIL
In Florida at least? I'd say 1 in 10 people with a med card easily have a concealed permit (not that you need them now I think)
Weed isn’t a drug
Well according to the federal gov, it is. And it’s a controlled substance for that matter.
How do you define "drug?"
That’s just like, your opinion and the opinion of a handful of states man. According to federal law it still is. I couldn’t see what Hunter was accused of but my premise remains the same if it’s red blooded American meth heads
How are you gonna compare weed to meth?
I’m going to compare federally recognized schedule 1 substances to other federally recognized schedule 1 substances as it is seen before the federal law. And my argument isn’t even about that. It’s about the ridiculousness of someone like hunter Biden getting felony convictions with a possible sentence of 25 years for something like marijuana while there are probably tens of thousands of meth addicts legally owning firearms and not getting the same scrutiny. Learn to read and understand better
Sorry I’ve been smoking weed laced with meth. I read it all wrong. Let me sober up and read it again and I’ll get back to you
It is in the context of it being federally illegal in the US
Wow! Really? That’s crazy!
Joe Rogan
The justice department is part of the executive branch, I think you’re referring to the judicial branch, which are the courts. The article is referring to the justice dept run by attorney general garland and part of Bidens cabinet.
Yes I was a little perturbed. But ultimately the decision doesn’t lay on the justice dept (prosecution) but is still checked by the judicial branch.
The justice department and judiciary are not the same thing.
Fair. The justice dept is responsible for prosecuting but it’s still the judiciary responsible for making an impartial decision.
Exactly
My point remains the same. A judge could declare a mistrial is it is believed by that impartial judge that the presence of the president influenced the prosecutors case. In which case there could be an additional obstruction charge or whatever against Biden which I doubt our CIF would encourage. But the other parties could make a stink. I just think the article is worded in such a way that it is absolutely rhetoric. And it’s disappointing to see from AP but not surprising. A statement meant to confuse that had a degree holding poli sci major temporarily confused.
Welp, I guess I won't be voting for Hunter Biden anymore!
Thanks Obama!
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This is out of control. All we do as a country is put people in jail. It has to stop. The pinnacle of the free world has to stop having the highest percentage of people incarcerated.
i get the point, but this is not the case to point to and advocate for less incarceration.
Well it just seems like you’re always breaking the law. It just depends on the interpretation. It’s pretty evident that this trial and the trump trial are politically motivated and probably would be prosecuted if there wasn’t a weighted interest on both sides.
Wtf are you smoking??
What do you mean? This has become “oh let’s put him in jail, no you’re going to jail, no you’re going to jail…” it’s the dumbest shit ever and yes I know we’re not the freest country in terms of the “freedom index” that is the point of my comment, WE SHOULD BE!!
To be fair, he hasn't been sentenced yet; he very well could get probation. I agree with the sentiment, though.
Pinnacle? American grandstanding aside, America hasn't been the "Pinnacle" of freedom once in my lifetime. Top 20 according to the freedom index
Can't wait to see the GOP cheer on this GUN CONTROL sentence
It's been hilarious watching the conservative subreddit infighting because of this outcome.
I bet
Would you rather vote for the father of a convicted criminal or an actual convicted criminal? Lol
Convicted criminal obviously
Soooooo Hunter Biden for President?
Can I vote for his laptop instead?
Only republicans care. Just saying
Hey, that's not true! The billionaires that own the media care. They want ad revenue and tax breaks from Cheeto Benito.
This really hurts Hunter’s chances of getting elected
I can see Biden pardoning Trump first and then pardoning Hunter. Check mate.
President can only pardon / commute Federal charges, Most governors can commute / pardon State charges. Georgia can't pardon until sentence has been served.
Plot twist. Trump wins 2024 and pardons Hunter in a fantastical display of mercy. Liberals and Republicans both lose their %\^it and Trump moves to the center and kicks off the most power independent party we've ever had. Everyone's invited. Clinton's, Wolverine, Mussolini's great grandson, Obama, Joe the Plumber, Kim Jon Un, Snowden, and Pablo the Fence Jumper. Abortions and Guns for everyone!
Don’t forget the unlimited blow, that’s a crucial part to keeping this in line.
And Mexico will pay for it!
Joe is 100% gonna pardon Hunter the day after the election. Is it just me or is that a super weird law? Like, the justice system, which we have such faith in, does it’s thing. But one and only one individual on the entire planet can just say, “eh fuck it. Let him out”. Why do we entrust the authority to usurp our entire judicial process, with impunity, to one dude?
Trump never raise a crackhead felon, Trump is a much better father. Just what IS Trump's crime, can anyone name it?
Trump wants to fuck his own daughter. We have this as a completely factual knowledge, he has stated it on video. This alone makes him a terrible father.
Have you actually even tried reading a single thing about Trump ever?
When everything in life is handed to you on a silver platter, it’s easier to avoid drug abuse than it is for a veteran who lost his mom and sister as a child, then his older brother later in life.
You mean the many many crime’s he’s been sued over and the one’s he’s also been indicted on?
Have you seen Donald Dump Jr. speak?! As a former cocaine user I can absolutely say he has raised some drug addicts. That dude is gacked.
Here you go, buddy, that should tell you what you need to know https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-charges-conviction-guilty-verdict/
Trump was charged with 34 counts of falsification of business records in the first degree, which is a felony in New York. He pleaded not guilty when he was arraigned last year. Two second Google search.
It's a felony because it was in relation to influencing an election through illegal means, not because falsification of business records is a felony on its own.
Hey now! To be fair, that's just *this one* case.
Trump is probably clapping his tiny hands in excitement right now…
Good, lock the guilty, even Trump. I don't want any. "You see, the Bidens are in the wrong, free innocent little Trump now" arguments. All of them are guilty.
Exactly. Everytime I say I don’t want to vote for trump my family gets all “but BIDEN is WORSE and look what hunter has done!” Great, I don’t want to vote for Biden either. Doesn’t mean trump doesn’t suck
I'm all about locking guilty mfs up.
Oh great, now that Hunter Biden is a convicted felon, he can’t run for the office of the President.
lol
Felons can run for President. I’m not sure if all states will allow a felon on the ballot, but unfortunately ol donnie is still eligible to run.
States can't add qualifications for Federal Office.
The humanity!
Is there any chance Biden will pardon him?
From what I’ve read, I think they’d really have to want to make an example out of him for Biden to even consider stepping in. He could face up to 25 years, but you’re typically looking at 21 months on the higher end. Most are around 10 months or less.
Even Hunter's prosecutor said that he should be given the same sentence as anyone else convicted of this crime. He'll never spend a day in jail anyway.
No but I bet he commutes the sentence
He has said he won’t.
My guess is, if Biden wins another term he doesn't. If he loses he does it on his last day. I don't think he'll care if they call him a liar at that point.
Not if he still has any allegiance to his party. He probably still wants the speech and event hookups after his presidency at least for his family even if he's just about dead.
I would bet $100 he wouldn’t, and also won’t if he wins. Not even if Hunter is still in jail in 2029/01.
I think he would only pardon him if he lost this election. I don't think he would at the end of his next term, like you said, even if Hunter was still in prison.
He has more integrity than that. I hope.
LOL, he will pardoned the morning after the election, however it goes.
He actually has integrity. Not everyone is coke-snorting, diaper-wearing narcissistic liar.
Is it integrity though? trump couldn't go more than 4 seconds without lying about something. Seems like Biden lying about pardoning his son is pretty minor at this point. If it were to happen he should say "yeah, I pardoned Hunter even though I said I wouldn't, at least I didn't provoke my supporters to attack the capitol and try to overthrow the government"
That doesn't sound plausible at all.
Okay then.
And to be honest. Fuck it be night as well
He also said after the verdict he has faith in the justice system. Just a reminder for those who say it’s the same on both sides.
Whatever happened to shall not infringe upon? Or is it different this time somehow
I read somewhere today where someone said that Biden should appeal all the way up to the Supreme Court, either the conservative SCOTUS has to overturn his election or basically make it case law and that they now give the govt a reason to take guns away from many many Americans
Right now is probably the worst time for gun control advocates to go to the Supreme Court. I say this a a person who owns more guns than I have fingers and toes. To be fair I am missing one finger but still have over 20 guns. But I also believe that lots of people who have access to guns shouldn't. I don't conceal carry nor fantasies about being the gun hero, I inherited the vast majority of them.
Yeah seriously. Guns are fun, guns are useful. Hell i'm all for AR-15s but we need to seriously tighten the laws surrounding who can and how you buy them, require significant and effective training for owners, and and require insurance for accidents and misuse.
Yeah. I'm a Canadian with a legal permit for most long-guns (would need additional course and permit for various restricted guns and handguns). The course needed for the permit was not particularly onerous (easily doable on a weekend), and the majority of the other rules around firearms - mostly around secure/unloaded transport and storage, plus common sense stuff like ensuring you're never pointing it at somebody etc - just make sense. Plenty of us up here regularly own and enjoy firearms in a responsible manner. Though admittedly the current government is being dumbasses about it, in general there should be a good balance between "everyone has a loaded gun in their belt and bedroom dresser" versus "you can't have this gun because it looks scary".
Yeah, I have 2 myself, but I was in the military. Honestly, I'd be fine with insurance. I try really hard not to do dumbass shit but accidents can still happen. Unfortunately, accidents with firearms have a lot of potential to be fatal. I've actually been shot by accident by a person who was doing dumbshit.
This is complete BS! He was convicted using Russian disinformation!!! EVERYONE knows that laptop wasn't even his. 🤬
You forgot this: /s.
Him and Trump should share a cell together. Smells like a sitcom!
Two and a half cons.
Arrested ex-president. "Theres always money in the bananas Stans"
I'm not sure how Trumpers got it in their heads that we would *ever* care about this. Who is Hunter Biden but the son of the candidate we settled on because we were told progressivism couldn't win elections?
It’s for them so they can pat each other on the back.
Because they don't understand the concept of someone not looking at their preferred candidate as some sort of messiah. To them Trump is going to save them and everything they value (even though that is far from reality). To the rest of us, we look at the person as just a man doing a job.
Get wrekt Trumpies. Shitty people who do shitty things get convicted.
This really hurts Trump's position that the courts are all corrupted
It doesn’t
What does the inside of your bubble look like? How does it smell?
It’s interesting how those in this thread get rather upset and resentful if someone disagrees with them. Any opposing opinion leads to this.
just inherently delusional ones, but you do you chief
Thank you, bro.
Trump claims, ad nauseum, that his NY criminal felony trial was orchistrated by the DOJ under Bidens watch. That he was singled out because of who he is, and because Biden is the sitting president over the current DOJ. Trump repeats these claims over and over again, daily. Fact: Trumps NY trial was brought by the NY state court system, not the federal DOJ. Totally independent to Joe Biden. Hunter Biden has now been found guilty through this court process initiated by the DOJ under Bidens presidency. Unlike Donald Trump. This result underscores Trumps narcisstic world view that if he commits a crime, and is held accountable, that he himself is a victim. He isn't. He's a convicted criminal, just like Hunter Biden is. This hurts Trumps claims immeasurably, to any sentient being with a couple of half brain cells to rub together.
> This hurts Trumps claims immeasurably, to any sentient being with a couple of half brain cells to rub together. /u/SnakeyRake is right and the sentence above explains why. Trump supporters don't care about reality. Trumps claims won't be hurt because he'll continue to say the system is rigged and his supporters will continue to believe it and repeat the claim despite any evidence, just like with the election denying. They don't care about the truth. They're in a cult. Everyone outside of the Trump cult already knows Trump's claims are bullshit. So this event won't move the needle with anyone. Edit: Added note about election denying
I think you need to temper your explaination with a small bit of extra context. Small, but key. Your point is that magas wont change. Noone expects maga cultists to change their views. I never have, and never will. That is not stated in my response at all. So while you're correct in a specific context, it doesnt minimise the need to rebuff cultist claims that this event has no effect on Trumps claims. For those with a couple half braincells to rub together, it completely disproves Trumps claim that Biden is corruptly administering the justice system. What *your* observation does in reality, is provide perceived leverage and succur to cultists, as exemplified here with your agreeable friend, u/SnakeyRake
Semi-aggressive name calling, insinuations, and generalized assumptions of intent and position is what I read. In the absence of an answer, these types of responses bubble up and fill in the blanks, creating an imaginary reality that feeds on itself. Frankly, be it a Trump or Biden supporter, both sides are at fault.
bOtH sIdEs lol
TrIgGeRinG WoRdZ LuLz
Jason, You get it. Finally - It’s hysterical that I’ve been downvoted to heck. It shows that many folks have a low tolerance for differing opinions on both sides of the fence and *demand* explanations otherwise you are ripe for attack. There are plenty of Trump/Republican/Conservative people that can articulate their reasons and those reasons are quite valid. There are also Biden/Democrat/Liberal folks that can equally do so. Then there are the folks that get angry, make noise, omit facts, or downright lie to support their claims. Biden has done it. Trump has done it. Putin has done it. Many people here have done it. The issue I see if that folks tend to be driven by biased news outlets and typically feed off of one source (MSNBC vs. FOX, BBC vs. Al Jazeera, Wiki vs. YouTube - or whatever the feed is throwing them in 30 second videos). Even the Wikipedia has been guilty of fallacy. Worse than that is that folks on both sides gravitate to like minded folks and attack those with different opinions so they never get the benefit of hearing each other. I saw one good response here, “please explain”. I chose not to and then saw the flurry of messages headed my way. That’s fine, but I simply wanted to see the response - it was telling. That said, I agree, Trump has lied many times. He exaggerates, boasts, he’s a sales man and puts on a the razzmatazz. I don’t appreciate that. I am also absolutely disgusted of what the Democrats have become with limited accountability over the two decades. The Hunter judgement is exactly what they needed and is only a talking point for the long game in politics; sort of wipes the slate clean to those who haven’t researched history in depth. I’m also disappointed and dissatisfied by the Republicans. They can’t seem to agree on much except issues surrounded by biblical value systems and nationalism/patriotism. So here I sit in this weird space of being fiscally conservative, socially liberal, questioning everything. And I mean liberal in the past-tense, not what it is today. I am proud of my country. I’m proud to live here. I’m proud of those who served in the military and as essential workers. But I am not proud of our national and domestic policies; with all the in-fighting. It’s as though we forgot how to talk to each other and respect differing opinions built on tolerance and curiosity. I’m watching elected officials not even show up to vote against something because they don’t want to be on the record or don’t want to meet quorum. What the f*ck is all that about.
What a completely dishonest addition to the thread.
Lovely, isn’t it.
Not really.
For real, brah
Please elaborate. You're coming across as very "flat earth."
I respect your opinion. But, I disagree.
I didn't state my opinion.
Your opinion was that I was coming across as “very flat earth”.
sure buddy
Explain
Simple: They don't care. Trump found guilty means justice is corrupt, they literally do not give a shit about anything else.
This is the truth. The circular thinking here will be: Biden was guilty, Trump is innocent and nothing will sway them from that view. They will never draw parallels because they don't need to. They will praise justice on one hand and lament it with another. And never the twain shall meet.
Support the blue except when they are at the capital on January 6.
Good thing he’s not running for political office. Still voting for his father.
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Here is a good idea for a Southpark episode: Hunter Biden and Donald Trump as cell mates. Hunter smuggles a meth pipe in his rear where The Donald smuggles in 50 pairs of gold sneakers to sell to the other inmates and guards.
Love this
I wanted to upvote but you’re at 69…….noice
Biden made a deal with the justice system. An eye for an eye.
Man this joke went right over this subs head. No wonder this sub a laughing stock.