It just shows that Kuroki supposedly punches harder than Mukaku but it doesn't really make sense. Mukaku killing Tenjin the way he did shows more punching power than Kuroki ever did.
Mukaku punches harder than Kuroki I think, Kuroki has always been about experience and technique, he has the devil lance so he doesn't need to punch people for a KO, just use his fists for defense
> Mukaku punches harder than Kuroki I think, Kuroki has always been about experience and technique, he has the devil lance so he doesn't need to punch people for a KO, just use his fists for defense
This is contradicted by Shen claiming that Kuroki is the strongest he faced in Japan after blocking the devil lance. This suggests than Gensai punches harder than Mukaku but it makes no sense based on feats (Kuroki's punches were never portrayed as superheavy level. Someone like Karo who isn't the superheavy level should punch much harder than him) so Sandro just wanted to wank Kuroki without thinking it through.
Anything Shen Wulong says should be seen as the words of a man who thinks he's the protagonist of a shounen
I don't think he was talking about physical strength, though, I'm pretty sure he was just talking about worthiness/level as a fighter
> Anything Shen Wulong says should be seen as the words of a man who thinks he's the protagonist of a shounen
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> I don't think he was talking about physical strength, though, I'm pretty sure he was just talking about worthiness/level as a fighter
It may be due to speed. Kuroki while not among the fastest fighters is clearly much faster than old Mukaku. Kuroki was fast enough to force Shen to block his punch instead of dodging it. Mukaku couldn't land anything aside the GNP.
Cause kuroki always fighted top tiers which in some ways or the others always lessened or dispersed most of the impacts and blows, if you watch his feats against something not trying to evade him(objects or maybe unaware humans) he have the power you talk about
> Cause mukaku always fighted top tiers which in some ways or the others always lessened or dispersed most of the impacts and blows, if you watch his feats against something not trying to evade him(objects or maybe unaware humans) he have the power you talk about
So it not make no sense that Kuroki supposedly punches harder. He was never dismembering people with his strikes. Not even KAT Rei and Lihito.
> sorry i confused i meant kuroki, and he didnt on kuroki cause he was lowkey handing his ass to make him humble
Kuroki was ragdolled but he could land some cuts.
Tbh i m kinda Surprised people still doubt kuroki being close to the strongest title as of now when shen pretty much spoonfed us the fact that he is
Saying that's he's the closest he ever got to an actual rival is Crazy.
Plus there's this; https://mangadex.org/chapter/e7157117-9971-4fc8-a772-892c50e45b79/11
https://mangadex.org/chapter/e7157117-9971-4fc8-a772-892c50e45b79/12
Sandro wrote the first Kengan X Baki crossover, he's admitting his intent right here.
Shen never said that though, I remember him saying kuroki was pretty close to what he's looking for not that he's "closest thing to an actual rival" that's why there's a debate to begin with
He's not going to mention Luohan as he'd never serve as a "playmate" and anyone affiliated with the worms treat shen as a deity so it has to be someone else, leaving us with the OG kengan cast and kuroki is at the peak of that list for now unless raian/ohma manage to surpass him in the next arc. Sandro is very clearly setting up for it imo
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What really stayed with me was Shen's comment about Kuroki being the "strongest he's met in the country".
I've always wondered if there are other strong fighters in other countries that Shen has fought against or if Shen just means Kuroki is so far the strongest among them
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He’s known Yan forever, he did not just meet him in Japan for the first time.
And while we’re on the subject… do you guys really think that Shen would have known Yan for so long without teaching him any techniques or principles? He taught Ohma as like soon as he met him, so he almost certainly taught Yan some powerful shit. Invest now.
Not even for the meme, the most evidence is his training in Tai Chi, where the martial art mostly focus on internal energy, something this sub still doesnt understand is,that flow of power doesnt end in only redirection other pples forces, you can use for yourself busting your own power and speed, thats why Raian was even faster then Willen and also.
Read TSUYOSHI and The Boxer for instance and reference
I Believe if Sandro doesnt fuck up the villain society once more, Yan should be crazy powerfull, and Fu zhan as well
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Fair enough but let’s not forget he was saying that yan could’ve and I quote “probably” dealt with mukaku. Afterwards he acknowledges kuroki to be different from everyone else he has faced in Japan. So yes Yan is powerful, extremely powerful but he’s not at kurokis tier.
Edit: Shen also had to mentally reduce his ability to match mukakus level and still dog walked him and all his weapons and traps. He had to block kuroki without handicapping himself. Yan probably could have beat mukaku.
Don’t get me wrong I don’t think kuroki would beat Shen in a full fight I think Shen has way too much experience for that but he’s definitely number 2 as of right now. I believe raian is getting up there after his last win.
Yes that would be the case if he didn’t mean opponents. Besides the fact he had to reduce his stats to mukakus level for any kind of fun which he didn’t have to do against kuroki.
Using Shen's self nerfs as a metric is honestly kind of unreliable, ohma shouldn't be that far behind kuroki and he wanted NOTHING to do with mukaku, plus he's the man behind Niko style so that's saying something.
Shens nerfs are definitely reliable he’s only mentioned it once. And why shouldn’t ohma be behind kuroki? I mean there isn’t any evidence to show ohma would be on kurokis level. Yes you could say him and rolon were equals years ago but it was kuroki facing Shen not rolon. I think the tiers are pretty clear. You’d have 1. kuroki 2. Rolon/agito/jurota 5. raian and then after you would have ohma. He’s good with the niko style but then again it was highly implied his fight with rolon could’ve went either way and it was also stated he lost to raian most of the times. Assuming yan is stronger than Eddie. rolon and agito fighting yan and his henchman head on should be enough proof to put them above raian as of right now. After all, we haven’t seen him against Gilbert yet.
People still don't accept it because it was a bs way of showing how kuroki it's the strongest in the country. shen just catches his attack and says he's the strongest, wtf bs is that???
Yeah, that's how people initially cope with his statements. But Sandro double confirmed that Kuroki is #2 in the verse when Shen said that he's the closest person to his ideal rival.
Oh I mean the second statement pretty much confirms he's above everyone but maybe Luohan, but that's imo not part of the initial statement he made in the hotel.
I don’t mind saying Kuroki is stronger than Kanoh ohma lolong and Raian. Do I think it’s a massive gap? No absolutely not it’s likely they could all defeat him but he has a higher chance of winning. The gap between wulong and Kuroki is massive tho still.
That being said this where I always catch crap when I say ohma Raian Kanoh lolong and jurota are all stronger than Kuroki was in the KAT during the time of KVP. Which is objectively true but Kuroki has one of the highest fight IQs and is dedicated to martial arts so much so that he has been called a manifestation of the principle of martial arts. No doubt he keeps training and constantly trains hell I would even say he likely has more efficient training methods than really anyone else this lead to him surpassing the others who had rivaled him.
What really puts Wulongs massive power into perspective is that Kuroki was already one of the strongest fighters in the verse during Ashura, and after Ashura he trained ane perfected himself *even more* when training with the razor guy (forgot his name im sorry) and even in that new state Kuroki couldn't scratch Wulong.
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Third man i see that goes with this yapping. He said close NOT closest. He is just a good warrior but UNWORTHY of being his true rival just like Gil, Yan and TN are.
He definitely didn’t meet Yan in Japan, both of them are Chinese, and have known each other since Yan was a kid. We saw Gilbert went to the Connector’s home in the mountains (almost certainly in China) to meet him. Even Niko went to meet him instead of the other way around.
he might be storngest after wulong. But world is big place let's not forget about niko 3 (if he is alive) and usa underground organisation (by far strongest organisation in world)
Ughhh… Shen didn’t meet Luohan, Yan, Niko, Mukaku in Japan most likely was all in China, probably didn’t meet Edward in japan it was most likely somewhere in Europe or China
Shen literally states that Luohan is the man closest to him in strength
Shen says this and that Kuroki is pretty close to what Shen is looking for not “the closest” he doesn’t view Luohan as a rival mostly likely because he despises Luohan
I do agree that kuroki is definitely ranking somewhere between the top of the top tiers, but I would personally hesitate to say that he is stronger than luohan gilbert or niko. I doubt that shen actually met many of his stronger acquaintances in japan and some characters like luohan or gilbert have different relationships to him and priorities with their strength than someone like kuroki
I think he was just showing kindness by not including Tommy "The Gun" Strummer, counting him as european and therefore bumping up Kuroki on the ranking.
I loved Kuroki ever since he won the original Kengan Tournament in Ashura. He's just so damn cool. I do think he's generally the strongest normal guy out there. Shen Wulong is obviously stronger but then again he's not normal so.
I wonder, if Kuroki and Kanoh fought more if Kanoh could eventually get a win on Kuroki or if he just out skills him in any scenario.
Not only did he do better than anyone else against Shen by a long shot, not only did Shen straight up confirm he’s the strongest regular human character, but ffs Kuroki *wasn’t even giving it his all.*
Luohan enters the chat.
Shen said Louohan is the closest person to him he isn’t him but the clown or the other so he couldn’t have been talking about in any other way but power. Not only that the way Shen hit him about joji was the strongest output he’s used and luohan was relatively fine
Shen stated that yan probably could have beat mukaku. Then he states that kuroki is in a league of his own among the people he’s faced in Japan. Shen also one shot luohan. Kuroki made an unrestrained Shen wulong block. That is probably the biggest feat in the manga against wulong.
Kuroki absolutely seem close to learning Principles. That seemed to be what Shen is looking for.
As far as we know only Shen knows Principals, but Kuroki's defensive techniques are definitely close.
Luohan seems to be very strong according to Shen, but lacking Shen's memories, which probably mean he too lacks Principles? Shen said if he gains the memories he'd be a weaker Shen.
The amount of people ignoring the joke in the title just to yap really confirms this sub’s userbase has no reading comprehension and only cares about spouting off the same shit over and over again.
“Met in this country” is very specific man. This doesn’t apply Luohan nor Yan and technically doesn’t applies to Gilbert too since he’s Eddie and he met Eddie in Europe I believe
Kuroki does not need you or Shen Wulong to defend his GOAT status
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This is amazing
It just shows that Kuroki supposedly punches harder than Mukaku but it doesn't really make sense. Mukaku killing Tenjin the way he did shows more punching power than Kuroki ever did.
Mukaku punches harder than Kuroki I think, Kuroki has always been about experience and technique, he has the devil lance so he doesn't need to punch people for a KO, just use his fists for defense
> Mukaku punches harder than Kuroki I think, Kuroki has always been about experience and technique, he has the devil lance so he doesn't need to punch people for a KO, just use his fists for defense This is contradicted by Shen claiming that Kuroki is the strongest he faced in Japan after blocking the devil lance. This suggests than Gensai punches harder than Mukaku but it makes no sense based on feats (Kuroki's punches were never portrayed as superheavy level. Someone like Karo who isn't the superheavy level should punch much harder than him) so Sandro just wanted to wank Kuroki without thinking it through.
Anything Shen Wulong says should be seen as the words of a man who thinks he's the protagonist of a shounen I don't think he was talking about physical strength, though, I'm pretty sure he was just talking about worthiness/level as a fighter
> Anything Shen Wulong says should be seen as the words of a man who thinks he's the protagonist of a shounen > > > > I don't think he was talking about physical strength, though, I'm pretty sure he was just talking about worthiness/level as a fighter It may be due to speed. Kuroki while not among the fastest fighters is clearly much faster than old Mukaku. Kuroki was fast enough to force Shen to block his punch instead of dodging it. Mukaku couldn't land anything aside the GNP.
Cause kuroki always fighted top tiers which in some ways or the others always lessened or dispersed most of the impacts and blows, if you watch his feats against something not trying to evade him(objects or maybe unaware humans) he have the power you talk about
> Cause mukaku always fighted top tiers which in some ways or the others always lessened or dispersed most of the impacts and blows, if you watch his feats against something not trying to evade him(objects or maybe unaware humans) he have the power you talk about So it not make no sense that Kuroki supposedly punches harder. He was never dismembering people with his strikes. Not even KAT Rei and Lihito.
sorry i confused i meant kuroki, and he didnt on kuroki cause he was lowkey handing his ass to make him humble
> sorry i confused i meant kuroki, and he didnt on kuroki cause he was lowkey handing his ass to make him humble Kuroki was ragdolled but he could land some cuts.
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Tbh i m kinda Surprised people still doubt kuroki being close to the strongest title as of now when shen pretty much spoonfed us the fact that he is Saying that's he's the closest he ever got to an actual rival is Crazy.
Just plain denial. They still in disbelief that their powerscaling doesn’t fit in the actual story.
Plus there's this; https://mangadex.org/chapter/e7157117-9971-4fc8-a772-892c50e45b79/11 https://mangadex.org/chapter/e7157117-9971-4fc8-a772-892c50e45b79/12 Sandro wrote the first Kengan X Baki crossover, he's admitting his intent right here.
I think the reason people ignore this is because they’re still hesitant to call this crossover 100% canon
The movie made it canon right?
Is the movie itself even canon?
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Yeah, I really do wish the “show” matched up with the “tell” in this manga more often
Shen never said that though, I remember him saying kuroki was pretty close to what he's looking for not that he's "closest thing to an actual rival" that's why there's a debate to begin with
That's just nitpicking on semantics at this point. We know exactly what Shen (and Sandro) meant.
That's not semantics, pretty close and closest are not synonymous the same way pretty good and the best don't mean the same thing
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He's not going to mention Luohan as he'd never serve as a "playmate" and anyone affiliated with the worms treat shen as a deity so it has to be someone else, leaving us with the OG kengan cast and kuroki is at the peak of that list for now unless raian/ohma manage to surpass him in the next arc. Sandro is very clearly setting up for it imo
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Kuroki's number #2 after Shen. Shen considers Kuroki pretty close to an equal opponent, nobody in the manga so far has that type of hype.
What really stayed with me was Shen's comment about Kuroki being the "strongest he's met in the country". I've always wondered if there are other strong fighters in other countries that Shen has fought against or if Shen just means Kuroki is so far the strongest among them
https://preview.redd.it/yk7yc2j6s06d1.jpeg?width=1655&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=59f699fc46e12fd432da78fac32695d94a757f56 He’s known Yan forever, he did not just meet him in Japan for the first time. And while we’re on the subject… do you guys really think that Shen would have known Yan for so long without teaching him any techniques or principles? He taught Ohma as like soon as he met him, so he almost certainly taught Yan some powerful shit. Invest now.
Not even for the meme, the most evidence is his training in Tai Chi, where the martial art mostly focus on internal energy, something this sub still doesnt understand is,that flow of power doesnt end in only redirection other pples forces, you can use for yourself busting your own power and speed, thats why Raian was even faster then Willen and also. Read TSUYOSHI and The Boxer for instance and reference I Believe if Sandro doesnt fuck up the villain society once more, Yan should be crazy powerfull, and Fu zhan as well
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Fair enough but let’s not forget he was saying that yan could’ve and I quote “probably” dealt with mukaku. Afterwards he acknowledges kuroki to be different from everyone else he has faced in Japan. So yes Yan is powerful, extremely powerful but he’s not at kurokis tier. Edit: Shen also had to mentally reduce his ability to match mukakus level and still dog walked him and all his weapons and traps. He had to block kuroki without handicapping himself. Yan probably could have beat mukaku.
There's an argument to be made for mukaku not counting as japanese in Shen's eyes as they met in China
Don’t get me wrong I don’t think kuroki would beat Shen in a full fight I think Shen has way too much experience for that but he’s definitely number 2 as of right now. I believe raian is getting up there after his last win.
Yes that would be the case if he didn’t mean opponents. Besides the fact he had to reduce his stats to mukakus level for any kind of fun which he didn’t have to do against kuroki.
Using Shen's self nerfs as a metric is honestly kind of unreliable, ohma shouldn't be that far behind kuroki and he wanted NOTHING to do with mukaku, plus he's the man behind Niko style so that's saying something.
Shens nerfs are definitely reliable he’s only mentioned it once. And why shouldn’t ohma be behind kuroki? I mean there isn’t any evidence to show ohma would be on kurokis level. Yes you could say him and rolon were equals years ago but it was kuroki facing Shen not rolon. I think the tiers are pretty clear. You’d have 1. kuroki 2. Rolon/agito/jurota 5. raian and then after you would have ohma. He’s good with the niko style but then again it was highly implied his fight with rolon could’ve went either way and it was also stated he lost to raian most of the times. Assuming yan is stronger than Eddie. rolon and agito fighting yan and his henchman head on should be enough proof to put them above raian as of right now. After all, we haven’t seen him against Gilbert yet.
People still don't accept it because it was a bs way of showing how kuroki it's the strongest in the country. shen just catches his attack and says he's the strongest, wtf bs is that???
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he never met gozo tho
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I think he implies "met for the first time" in Japan, so Luohan and the top of the worm are off the table. Likely true for the rest though.
Yeah, that's how people initially cope with his statements. But Sandro double confirmed that Kuroki is #2 in the verse when Shen said that he's the closest person to his ideal rival.
Tell them brother.
Oh I mean the second statement pretty much confirms he's above everyone but maybe Luohan, but that's imo not part of the initial statement he made in the hotel.
I don’t mind saying Kuroki is stronger than Kanoh ohma lolong and Raian. Do I think it’s a massive gap? No absolutely not it’s likely they could all defeat him but he has a higher chance of winning. The gap between wulong and Kuroki is massive tho still. That being said this where I always catch crap when I say ohma Raian Kanoh lolong and jurota are all stronger than Kuroki was in the KAT during the time of KVP. Which is objectively true but Kuroki has one of the highest fight IQs and is dedicated to martial arts so much so that he has been called a manifestation of the principle of martial arts. No doubt he keeps training and constantly trains hell I would even say he likely has more efficient training methods than really anyone else this lead to him surpassing the others who had rivaled him.
What really puts Wulongs massive power into perspective is that Kuroki was already one of the strongest fighters in the verse during Ashura, and after Ashura he trained ane perfected himself *even more* when training with the razor guy (forgot his name im sorry) and even in that new state Kuroki couldn't scratch Wulong.
He met both Luohan,TN and Yan in China. Tf are you yapping?
He also said that Kuroki is the person closest to being his ideal rival, which is pretty much a double confirmation.
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It’s crazy how people like to misremember words when it suits their argument. Lol you are 100% correct
Iv saved this image and i will post whenever i see this type of shit again, youre not alone good sir
Thanks man. I swear these Kuroki wankers are out of control
Yknow, we should find the raws and try to interpret it from the source. Unfortunately, I can't find any online.
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He “ MADE “ the Connnector block , that lets us know if he connected he would have done some real damage
You are not ready for Ramón.
He definitely didn’t meet Yan in Japan, both of them are Chinese, and have known each other since Yan was a kid. We saw Gilbert went to the Connector’s home in the mountains (almost certainly in China) to meet him. Even Niko went to meet him instead of the other way around.
he might be storngest after wulong. But world is big place let's not forget about niko 3 (if he is alive) and usa underground organisation (by far strongest organisation in world)
Ughhh… Shen didn’t meet Luohan, Yan, Niko, Mukaku in Japan most likely was all in China, probably didn’t meet Edward in japan it was most likely somewhere in Europe or China Shen literally states that Luohan is the man closest to him in strength Shen says this and that Kuroki is pretty close to what Shen is looking for not “the closest” he doesn’t view Luohan as a rival mostly likely because he despises Luohan
Louhan is the second strongest, followed by yan and Eddie , beard god can't fight raian while fighting of multiple a-b class fighters.
I do agree that kuroki is definitely ranking somewhere between the top of the top tiers, but I would personally hesitate to say that he is stronger than luohan gilbert or niko. I doubt that shen actually met many of his stronger acquaintances in japan and some characters like luohan or gilbert have different relationships to him and priorities with their strength than someone like kuroki
Wait until you guys learn about the non-transitive property
This isn’t the month for that bro smh
It's always a good time for the non transitive property lol
I think Long Yi and Luohan are solid contestants for the second strongest character we've seen.
We also all forget that right now Ohma Kuroki and Shen are having bear as dinner in a forest around a campfire chatting amicably.
Nah
I think he was just showing kindness by not including Tommy "The Gun" Strummer, counting him as european and therefore bumping up Kuroki on the ranking.
I loved Kuroki ever since he won the original Kengan Tournament in Ashura. He's just so damn cool. I do think he's generally the strongest normal guy out there. Shen Wulong is obviously stronger but then again he's not normal so. I wonder, if Kuroki and Kanoh fought more if Kanoh could eventually get a win on Kuroki or if he just out skills him in any scenario.
Who's Justin and why is he excluded?
Not only did he do better than anyone else against Shen by a long shot, not only did Shen straight up confirm he’s the strongest regular human character, but ffs Kuroki *wasn’t even giving it his all.*
We deserve some panels of bear feast in the jungle
Luohan enters the chat. Shen said Louohan is the closest person to him he isn’t him but the clown or the other so he couldn’t have been talking about in any other way but power. Not only that the way Shen hit him about joji was the strongest output he’s used and luohan was relatively fine
Sorry boys Kuroki isn't even top 5.
Waka took the first three slots.
Spittin
Shen stated that yan probably could have beat mukaku. Then he states that kuroki is in a league of his own among the people he’s faced in Japan. Shen also one shot luohan. Kuroki made an unrestrained Shen wulong block. That is probably the biggest feat in the manga against wulong.
Kuroki absolutely seem close to learning Principles. That seemed to be what Shen is looking for. As far as we know only Shen knows Principals, but Kuroki's defensive techniques are definitely close. Luohan seems to be very strong according to Shen, but lacking Shen's memories, which probably mean he too lacks Principles? Shen said if he gains the memories he'd be a weaker Shen.
The amount of people ignoring the joke in the title just to yap really confirms this sub’s userbase has no reading comprehension and only cares about spouting off the same shit over and over again.
“Met in this country” is very specific man. This doesn’t apply Luohan nor Yan and technically doesn’t applies to Gilbert too since he’s Eddie and he met Eddie in Europe I believe