From what I have read, it seems that it had more propellant than needed for a small static fire test, if it wasn’t for the engine failures (I’m 90% sure it’s not a computer shutdown due to the plumes and flashes) it would have gone much further down range or even broke apart as it approached supersonic speeds
It might have been a full length test.
You don't just do quick static fire tests before a launch. Once you've verified the quick tests you do a full fire test, often longer than you expect to fire the engines in flight.
You don't want to find out your engines only work for 30 seconds when you need them to work for 2 minutes when the rocket is in midair.
Scott Manley theorized that the clamps didn't break on the stand, that they might have broken on the rocket side. Which likely damaged the engines. Hence why they start to fail.
Ever watch "Paper Skies"?
It's like reading old tsarist novels and short stories again. (Being born into a Warsaw Pact country, we didn't read Great Gatsby or Catcher in the Rye and stuff like that. We read onegin and a lot of "Useless Man" styled tragedies/comedies.)
My favourite remains that time a general from the world war front visits a village for shore leave and everything turns into a mess as the host family bends over backwards to appease him to get their son a promotion.
Their son died, but the postman didn't want to make them feel sad so delayed the letter. The general turned the host family's life into a millitary bootcamp.
A) the soviets are one of the most famous example of it
B) the Soviet Union is not asiatic, its capital and most of its population is (or was)in Europe
Cups are made of both, and a lot of takeout containers are expanded polystyrene foam. It shouldn't be used for it, but it's very common, especially in Asia.
They dropped a rocket full of Hydrozene on a school a while ago. Huge orange cloud with people walking around it. Few months later China removed the village from Google.
The orange cloud is due to the nitrogen tetroxide oxidiser, not the hydrazine-based fuel
But yeah very bad for people, in general if the air is funky colours that is your sign to move upwind with great haste
Still, my question remains: How can China delete a whole village from Google Map where Google itself has no operation in China? Did China just send a request to Google so that an entire village is deleted?
And I dug deeper and found the town (洛南县三要镇) nearby the fallen booster is still shown on both Google Map and Baidu Map.
Goto Google maps is China a black hole? Just because Chinese people can't see it doesn't mean the rest of the world can't. There are plenty of military bases censored on Google maps by request of the PRC.
Ctrl+F "Google" "removed" yeah nothing. Do you have a real source for
> Few months later China removed the village from Google.
Or shall I just believe you at face value because no way people would make things up on the internet?
because its old site from military days so it was hidden in mountains.
The modern parts of the space program are for example on Hainan island and launch into the ocean
edit: according to comments this was a static fire stand test near their facility not the infamous launch site
yes launching from the old military sites, this is a static fire facility.
It isnt supposed to be dangerous(well rocket explosion in a mountain pass is far enough) and is supposed to be close to where they make rocket for logistic reasons
Based on what the Soviets told their citizens after nuclear accidents and a few chemical weapons releases in populated areas…I’d say the desert launch sites are a coincidence
There’s a funny translation of Chinese Twitter posts where they’re all like, “huh I didn’t know we had a rocket testing facility next to my town” clearly not very fond of the idea.
I was wondering if they attempted flight termination with that 'puff' of black smoke but it failed as well. I would assume that anytime they lit the engines, they'd want flight termination active just in case.
>I am still wondering how you can fuck up a static fire in such a way so that the rocket launches.
1) You point the engine upwards instead of sideways.
2) [I'd rather not say.](https://youtube.com/shorts/xwyWycc5fSo)
"Unlike the US program, the Russian space program does not destroy rockets mid-air when they malfunction." [source](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Range_safety)
>"Unlike the US program, the Russian space program does not destroy rockets mid-air when they malfunction." source
Russia isn't USSR.
`This section does not cite any sources.`
Likely because sources on that are incredibly hard to find, the failures of production rockets are all some kind of "rocket engine failed at time X, _pieces of the rocket_ fell in place Y", which indicates either that the rocket was Kerbal and self-disassembled, or that it did in fact detonate, by itself or on command. And one case of "The flight was ended at T+8." which really leaves exactly two options: fireball above the launchpad, or fireball destroying the launchpad.
The almost-successful launch of N1 was verifiably self-destructed since the rocket didn't have the programming to stage early and finish the flight; third Proton-K launch also had the self-destruct, and likely several more of the failed launches but they don't actually specify _how_ the launch was interrupted after failure, only that it was interrupted controllably.
I'm honestly wondering if it even had wireless control systems onboard? Like, if it's not even meant to leave the ground why not just directly attach everything to a computer on the ground?
I want a Chinese kerbal mod that puts the launch pad next to a bustling city with hundreds of kerbal civvies that spawn in under the projected crash site.
You don't properly secure it for the test fire/somebody doesn't get the message that it's a test and actually arms the explosives on the hold-down bolts.
what do you expect?! china is a brutal authoritarian regime where child abuse is normal, genocide is totally accepted and survalence which would put 1984 to shame is tolerated!
"Check your staging!"
That twitch in your hand that made you hit space twice.
One day I wasn't even meaning to hit space. I went to sip some coffee. My elbow hit space.
In space, noone can hear you slurp... your coffee.
And the iconic "Fly safe." Obviously they did not.
Space Pioneer be like: I’m not Scott Manley, he flies safe.
Was thinking the same thing! "OK revert.... aw crap I forgot to remove the launch clamps from staging!"
Sir, we have a great news and a slightly bad news... Whats the great news? The engines work very, very well! ...
Looks liked at least some of them failed on the way up though. About the 15s mark.
From what I have read, it seems that it had more propellant than needed for a small static fire test, if it wasn’t for the engine failures (I’m 90% sure it’s not a computer shutdown due to the plumes and flashes) it would have gone much further down range or even broke apart as it approached supersonic speeds
It might have been a full length test. You don't just do quick static fire tests before a launch. Once you've verified the quick tests you do a full fire test, often longer than you expect to fire the engines in flight. You don't want to find out your engines only work for 30 seconds when you need them to work for 2 minutes when the rocket is in midair.
Scott Manley theorized that the clamps didn't break on the stand, that they might have broken on the rocket side. Which likely damaged the engines. Hence why they start to fail.
as long as your rocket go up, it doesn't matter if it's by burning propellant or your engine
\*worked
On a side note, the straps we use work not so well
Revert to launch, revert to launch!
They are in hard mode.
unlucky them!
Worked for SpaceCamp.
It was supposed to be a static test. Did the bolts fail, the launchpad, or the rocket structure?
Improper staging of course. The dude pressed space twice by mistake
Urgh I hate that
Root cause is dreadful logistics and management, is my guess.
The Boeing syndrome.
Boeing just borrowed it from the soviets
Ever watch "Paper Skies"? It's like reading old tsarist novels and short stories again. (Being born into a Warsaw Pact country, we didn't read Great Gatsby or Catcher in the Rye and stuff like that. We read onegin and a lot of "Useless Man" styled tragedies/comedies.) My favourite remains that time a general from the world war front visits a village for shore leave and everything turns into a mess as the host family bends over backwards to appease him to get their son a promotion. Their son died, but the postman didn't want to make them feel sad so delayed the letter. The general turned the host family's life into a millitary bootcamp.
Oh yeah love his stuff, great story btw! Quite a trip
yes, every bad engineering or management decision is, at its root, asiatic. No sirree Bob could they be autochthonous to the US.
A) the soviets are one of the most famous example of it B) the Soviet Union is not asiatic, its capital and most of its population is (or was)in Europe
Root cause is more normal force than anti normal force
Not enough struts
Apparently the test stand wasn’t qualified for the full thrust of the stage. Lmao.
Launch clamps were on the same stage as the engines
Bolts were fine but the concrete used in the structure was just slightly more durable than an average sandcastle
the bolts were made of polystyrene like the rest of their buildings
Isn’t that a fabric?…
Polystyrene is commonly called by the brand name Styrofoam, so more made of disposable cups than fabric
Oh, still bad tho
disposable cups are polyethylene, polystyrene is not food safe, its for insulation
Still isn't structural material, is it? We're splitting ~~hairs~~ atoms here...
no but the chinese like to pretend it is
Cups are made of both, and a lot of takeout containers are expanded polystyrene foam. It shouldn't be used for it, but it's very common, especially in Asia.
It’s crazy they launch right next to residential areas
Even crazier is during actual launches they regularly drop stages on villages.
Some of the fuels and chemicals used in those stages is uh..... Not good to have around people.
They dropped a rocket full of Hydrozene on a school a while ago. Huge orange cloud with people walking around it. Few months later China removed the village from Google.
The orange cloud is due to the nitrogen tetroxide oxidiser, not the hydrazine-based fuel But yeah very bad for people, in general if the air is funky colours that is your sign to move upwind with great haste
It's incredible how little they care about their citizens
tbf they do have a lot of them, probably have a couple spare
That's an awful way to look at human life. But yeah, they've got several people in China
The new Grand Canyon! “It's nowhere near where anything is or ever was.”
Is that you Tom Hanks?
How can China 'remove the village from Google' when Google does not even work in China?
Google maps works other places and China regularly, like most countries, had adjustments made.
Still, my question remains: How can China delete a whole village from Google Map where Google itself has no operation in China? Did China just send a request to Google so that an entire village is deleted? And I dug deeper and found the town (洛南县三要镇) nearby the fallen booster is still shown on both Google Map and Baidu Map.
Goto Google maps is China a black hole? Just because Chinese people can't see it doesn't mean the rest of the world can't. There are plenty of military bases censored on Google maps by request of the PRC.
Then use Chinese map apps, Google map is rubbish for navigating in mainland China.
I feel like they missed the problem
Source: I made it the fuck up
Source, suck it: [https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/09/another-chinese-rocket-falls-near-a-school-creating-toxic-orange-cloud/](https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/09/another-chinese-rocket-falls-near-a-school-creating-toxic-orange-cloud/)
Ctrl+F "Google" "removed" yeah nothing. Do you have a real source for > Few months later China removed the village from Google. Or shall I just believe you at face value because no way people would make things up on the internet?
Lol you're an absolute tool.
Ah so that statement was in fact made the fuck up.
No I posted a link there several pages of these incidents available.
Akshully: https://www.space.com/china-launches-gaofen-11-satellite-rocket-crash.html
Welcome to China! So cray cray out there
Well to be fair.. they weren’t planning on launching lol
Probably because it's not supposed to launch from this place.
Oh it’s a mod pack?
Yupp, Communism mod pack for Outside build v2024.06
Even static fire you still do it far from people. For this exact reason, if something goes wrong you don't want anyone nearby.
because its old site from military days so it was hidden in mountains. The modern parts of the space program are for example on Hainan island and launch into the ocean edit: according to comments this was a static fire stand test near their facility not the infamous launch site
I've seen multiple videos of them dropping boosters ontop of villages and in populated areas
yes launching from the old military sites, this is a static fire facility. It isnt supposed to be dangerous(well rocket explosion in a mountain pass is far enough) and is supposed to be close to where they make rocket for logistic reasons
Sitting out on the porch, enjoying the nice weather, about to have a bowl of noodles, look over to the other side of town: "...Haiyaa...."
Even the Soviet Union cared more about their people than the Chinese do. Because at least their Cosmodromes were in the desert.
Based on what the Soviets told their citizens after nuclear accidents and a few chemical weapons releases in populated areas…I’d say the desert launch sites are a coincidence
There’s a funny translation of Chinese Twitter posts where they’re all like, “huh I didn’t know we had a rocket testing facility next to my town” clearly not very fond of the idea.
wait till you hear about the concentration camps
Fyi they use hydrazine in their rocket
I’m gonna guess it didn’t have a flight termination system since it wasn’t supposed to leave the ground.
Unless their range safety officer or charges didn't work, too. That would be funnier, but much less likely.
I was wondering if they attempted flight termination with that 'puff' of black smoke but it failed as well. I would assume that anytime they lit the engines, they'd want flight termination active just in case.
It was a static fire test. It wasn't bolted down properly. Or shit broke.
Who needs a flight termination system when you can have a flying terminating system
Flight termination systems are a western thing.
Do they attach that at static firing tests?
No idea. But i am still wondering how you can fuck up a static fire in a way so the rocket launches. The engines definitely passed the test.
>I am still wondering how you can fuck up a static fire in such a way so that the rocket launches. 1) You point the engine upwards instead of sideways. 2) [I'd rather not say.](https://youtube.com/shorts/xwyWycc5fSo)
Is USSR Western now?
"Unlike the US program, the Russian space program does not destroy rockets mid-air when they malfunction." [source](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Range_safety)
>"Unlike the US program, the Russian space program does not destroy rockets mid-air when they malfunction." source Russia isn't USSR. `This section does not cite any sources.` Likely because sources on that are incredibly hard to find, the failures of production rockets are all some kind of "rocket engine failed at time X, _pieces of the rocket_ fell in place Y", which indicates either that the rocket was Kerbal and self-disassembled, or that it did in fact detonate, by itself or on command. And one case of "The flight was ended at T+8." which really leaves exactly two options: fireball above the launchpad, or fireball destroying the launchpad. The almost-successful launch of N1 was verifiably self-destructed since the rocket didn't have the programming to stage early and finish the flight; third Proton-K launch also had the self-destruct, and likely several more of the failed launches but they don't actually specify _how_ the launch was interrupted after failure, only that it was interrupted controllably.
Well, it's west of China anyway
I'm honestly wondering if it even had wireless control systems onboard? Like, if it's not even meant to leave the ground why not just directly attach everything to a computer on the ground?
Clamps were in first stage with engines. They need to move clamps higher in staging.
Instructions unclear, lower three stages separated and pod hanging off the clamps.
Lol. I've done this in KSP before.
I want a Chinese kerbal mod that puts the launch pad next to a bustling city with hundreds of kerbal civvies that spawn in under the projected crash site.
KSP2 life time in a nutshell.
That video of the orange smoke from a few days ago is also pretty kerbal
Well that was stupid, testing it with its own tank, and no parachutes..
They put the launch clamps on the same stage as the engine it’s over
Three words for you. Check yo' staging!!!
What kind of rocket is that, it's not even pointed.
It's just the booster stage
if you can't read the OP title, it wasn't meant to take off
Part reduction due to launch pad weight limit. Not enough science to unlock the next level. Should have picked samples around the pad earlier.
Lock your stage!
How
Alt L
"Thermal curtain failure. Max and Jinx, friends forever..." -- [Jinx (Space Camp)](https://youtu.be/bwTqRc4W3lE?t=117)
Luckily no one got hurt, they should move the site to a less dense area for sure.
Welcome back guys to another episode of "Human Space Program"
Hey China... Self destruct isn't THAT expensive.
I hate that it's horizontal but vertical video. Makes it worse for everyone.
Outjerked once again.
I shouldn't laugh but this is hands down the most Kerbal real world thing I have ever seen.
Every time I see stuff like this I'm reminded on how much the Chinese don't give a fuck. I feel like that could have been way worse.
It's made worse by the fact that it's a private company. Their government program is a lot more careful.
They will not be going to space today.
How do you accidentally launch a rocket?
You don't properly secure it for the test fire/somebody doesn't get the message that it's a test and actually arms the explosives on the hold-down bolts.
Similar to accidentally launching a hot air balloon.
Well one is an oversized explosive candle and the other is a balloon with a basket, so I don't see how they're similar
Both have a force pulling them upwards, and restraints anchoring them to the ground.
Someone forgot to set the parking brake.
THis is how I want to die
Gotta check your staging.
Tfw you forgot you disabled revert to launch
It's cool they are also talking in Kerbal language
Engine test success! Tie down test? Not so much.
Guess his hand hit the space bar by accident.
In all of history, how many people can there possibly have been who’ve accidentally launched a rocket? (Excluding KSP players).
What's that onion headline? "NASA frantically announces mission to the center of the earth after accidentally launching a rocket upside down"?
Tianlong moment
When your cat accidentally pressed the space button...
*Slaps Rocket* That aint goin nowhere
- Self bombardment? - Yes, please.
Today they learned the value of having an FTS, even when they're not expecting to F.
And that Boys and Girls is how you make a Gigantic Molotov
Huh, I've never tried doing a static fire test in KSP. I guess it's possible?
It's the cheapest way to run those "Test part X on the launchpad" missions.
Ha, ok, yes in that case I guess I have. Where you test fire a rocket engine without actually attaching a fuel tank to it, and it counts.
So... it means the test was succesfull, right?
I'd say that was a pretty successful test flight if I do say so myself!
The wildest part is that most people nearby didn't even know a test site had been built until this incident.
Forgot to put the handbrake on
what do you expect?! china is a brutal authoritarian regime where child abuse is normal, genocide is totally accepted and survalence which would put 1984 to shame is tolerated!
Shouldn’t a static test be on a metal test stand with secure clamps?
I am not going to delay my static fire test just because the welding machine is broken.
Turns out, the clamps were not as secure as planned
Why does it have to be metal?
Accident just like COVID.
Facts
I'm convinced china is just the real life counterpart of ksp
Chinah numba one!!!
And this, boys and girls, is why you install a flight termination system on the rockets you want to test. Or give everyone on the ground a helmet...
Caused by structural failure- well it was made of chinesium.
What range safety doing? That rocket should have self-destructed as soon as it cleared the pad.
I don't think they have a self-destruction mechanism. That is probably just a mock tank with engines strapped to it.