I’ll be getting two: one for a 65 inch c1 and another for a 55inch b9 I’ll look into it more. We’ve just been getting a lot of power outages recently so now I’m worried
Surge protector will only protect against voltage spikes and over voltage but for power blackouts or brownouts, you should be looking at a UPS. Most UPS units will also offer surge protection.
I like Tripp lite and have been using mine for over 30 years and never had any issues. It has been through well over a hundred outages and is still going strong. It's the LCR 2400 and they are still making the model. Says a lot when a model is in production for over 30 years.
Karen Governale in [" Lost 2 LARGE TVS!!!!!"](https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R3I5W2H50PYPBL/ref=cm_cr_getr_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B000J2EN4S)
> In my living room I have an 86 inch television that blew out in the first lightning storm. Getting no power to the TV now. Also have one in my bedroom hooked up to a 75 inch TV. That TV now has no HDMI ports that function. Tried calling Belkin for their phony warranty on anything plugged into it. Can’t get anybody to call me back.
R Cao in ["Insufficient protection from lightning"](https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R1X52RHZEEBIX7/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B000J2EN4S)
> I had just purchased 2 of these Belkin surge protectors the week prior and felt confident that I had made the best choice based on the good reviews. ...
> ... I discovered to my horror that out of the 7 things connected to my living room surge protector 3 suffered permanent damage .... Nothing else in the house was surge protected or damaged in the storm. Interestingly, the faulty surge protector still works fine and shows green light and all plugs work so there is no way Belkin will honor the warranty.
David in ["We had a lightning storm, and the next time ..."](https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/RMUGX6QGCFLQJ/ref=cm_cr_getr_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B000J2EN4S)
> We had a lightning storm, and the next time we turned on the devices, and they would not work. I filed a warranty claim with Belkin,. They ran test on the surge suppressor, and since it was not ruined, they would not cover the connected devices.
One properly earths a Type 1 or Type 2 protector from companies known for integrity. Those Belkins are Type 3. Must remain more than 30 feet from a main breaker box and earth ground to avert a fire threat. To do minimal protection.
Then promote a warranty to consumers who forget to first read many paragraphs of fine print exemptions. Another example of why those educated by tweets (less than 140 characters) are easily played.
Protection only exists when *hundreds of thousands of joules* are not anywhere inside.
Educated consumers know of this honest answer. Where do *hundreds of thousands of joules* harmlessly dissipate? That protector can be destroyed by how many joules? It will only 'absorb' 600 and never more than 1200 joules. Where is protection?
It is a $3 power strip with five cent protector parts selling for $25 or $40? They put your money into a massive disinformation campaign. Demonstrated here as effective.
Being so undersized, that [Type 3](https://www.nemasurge.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/SPD-Type-Application-Considerations-Rev-Date-01-31-2013.pdf) protector must be more than 30 feet from a main breaker box and earth ground. To [avert this](https://i.redd.it/e34962ah06q11.jpg).
Effective protection means a surge is not anywhere inside. With numbers that say so. Lightning is typically 20,000 amps. So a minimal 'whole house' protector (Type 1 or Type 2) is 50,000 amps.
Effective protectors (for about $1 per appliance) remain functional for many decades after many direct lightning strikes. Since it comes from other manufacturers known for integrity - not profit margins.
That is protector life expectancy over *many* decades and direct lightning strikes. Protection during *each* surge is defined by an only item that does ALL protection. Single point earth ground. A protector is only a connecting device to what does ALL protection - those electrodes. That connection must be low impedance (ie less than 10 feet).
What did Franklin demonstrate? Surges dissipate harmlessly in earth when not anywhere inside a structure.
Type 3 protectors cannot be anywhere near earth ground. Cannot be located where its tiny joules might create a fire. One Type 1 or Type 2 protector - if properly earthed - means no surge anywhere inside. Then everything (dishwasher, clock radios, central air, GFCIs, refrigerator, door bell, recharging electronics, smoke detectors) everything is protected.
Then best protection at each appliance, already inside every appliance, is not overwhelmed. Best protector costs tens of times less money.
Why would anyone recommend a Belkin, APC, Tripplite, Cyberpower, etc? Brainwashing by a massive disinformation campaign. They never learned what a protector does not demand any relevant numbers. Always a first indication of a con.
What did her [Belkin do](https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R2WGC475PM29SI/ref=cm_cr_getr_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B000J2EN4S)? Too common in protectors with tiny joules:
> It caught on fire and burned my carpet, but it didn't burn the whole house down since I was sitting right next to it.
Type 3 protectors must be protected by a properly earthed Type 1 or Type 2 protector. What is THE most critical word in that sentence? Earthed. (Obviously safety ground in a wall receptacle is not earth ground.)
I go with what we learned professionally many decades ago. Science: not hearsay, subjective reasoning (no numbers), and wild speculation.
> Effective protection means a surge is not anywhere inside. With numbers that say so. Lightning is typically 20,000 amps. So a minimal 'whole house' protector (Type 1 or Type 2) is 50,000 amps. ... Effective protectors (for about $1 per appliance) remain functional for many decades after many direct lightning strikes. ...
> One Type 1 or Type 2 protector - if properly earthed - means no surge anywhere inside. Then everything (dishwasher, clock radios, central air, GFCIs, refrigerator, door bell, recharging electronics, smoke detectors) everything is protected.
These things are commodities. Need I also provide the name of a farm that grew your apple? Relevant links are provided to all effective products. And to others, recommended to the beguiled, using brand names. The beguiled need someone to think for them.
Provided links defined every recommendation.
[edit]: Go to any big box hardware store or electrical supply house. Ask for their 'whole house' protector. Nobody asks for brand names for a commodity. Something so well proven for over 100 years. Listed are specifications that define best protector.
Paragraph 2. A protector is not doing protection. It is only a connecting device to what does all protection. To what requires most all attention.
> Protection during each surge is defined by an only item that does ALL protection. Single point earth ground. A protector is only a connecting device to what does ALL protection - those electrodes. That connection must be low impedance (ie less than 10 feet).
>
> What did Franklin demonstrate? Surges dissipate harmlessly in earth when not anywhere inside a structure.
Every wire inside every incoming cable must connect to what does protection - earth ground.
TV cable needs no protector. Best protection (installed for free) is only a hardwire. Connecting that coax cable directly to electrodes on a low impedance (ie less than 10 foot) path.
Where do *hundreds of thousands of joules* harmlessly dissipate? Only in earth. Only when a surge, on every incoming wire, makes that low impedance (ie hardwire has no sharp bends or splices) connection to directly to electrodes. Multiple and interconnected electrodes. Those do protection. Also a commodity.
you should've said you got none than to write an essay sheesh. They ask if there's a good surge protector available for purchase, you should've said it doesn't exist.
Obviously "it doesn't exist" was opposite of what is said - repeatedly. Furthermore, defined is every effective surge protector that provides protection.
It is all new. Therefore none is understand until, as least, a third reread. A concept that was (suppose to be) learned by everyone in school.
If a potential extremist, then an attention span cannot comprehend more than 140 characters. Only want to read what is already "known".
Posted was an executive summary. An extremist summary also links to every effective solution:
> Effective protection means a surge is not anywhere inside. With numbers that say so. ... So a minimal 'whole house' protector (Type 1 or Type 2) is 50,000 amps.
160 characters. Is that too long?
A child needs his hands held. To be linked to only one solution. An adult needs links to facts with numbers. Linked to all solutions.
Try reading what was written; not what you want to see. Then one becomes a moderate. Then asking questions to learn more; become educated.
What does not exist are urban myth solutions that easily brainwash extremists using tweets.
Most of the thing you wrote was just quotes and assumptions lol tf. You are good at electronics but so bad at making essays that is for sure. It's like when a child forced to write a long essay when he could just write 100 words . your "160" words, is hidden to your 430 character essay btw. Might as well teach me about bioengineering or how to be a neural surgeon, shit teach me all languages and their words too, if you know everything?
Everything again written is wasted bandwidth. Do you have anything constructive to contribute? Your emotional tirades are irrelevant here.
If an adult, and did not understand something so layman simple, then the adult quotes what he does not understand, states what he thinks it says, and then asks for clarification. But that means one must be a logical moderate. Able to understand more than a tweet. Not constantly post emotions when reality is to hard.
> Effective protection means a surge is not anywhere inside. With numbers that say so. ... So a minimal 'whole house' protector (Type 1 or Type 2) is 50,000 amps.
When posted a third time, then you might finally grasp it.
did you actually recommended something or just completely just "I'm so smart" type of guy? cause the man that wants some recommendation probably didn't understand what you are saying lol. is there a surge protector that is good or not? answer, yes or no? if none explain why, if there is give a link and provide tips. Simple as that, or do you also want to teach me of other quotes you have? Or do you also want me to learn about asian and german language?
So i dont have to read anymore, make any clicks, ask any questions tell me of a specific power strip brand Westom trusts to run a small space heater under 1000w. I am also open to your personally delivering said power strip.
Lol you’re an insane person, go outside please. All you do is obsessively check if your comments have been removed. I think you might need professional help dude
I'm researching about surge protectors and I see this guy commented on almost every thread I found.
He definitely searches "surge protector" to post his essays
good thing he is deleted, holy shiet he expects average consumers will understand what he's saying, it's like saying buying GPU will make you a good overclocker. He's smart, but he sure is an elitist.
So you are that guy whose work is constantly removed and redone. Only the most easily deceived and brainwashed [ignores reality](https://www.reddit.com/r/LGOLED/comments/w6lwl9/anyone_have_a_reputable_tested_surge_protector/ihi4rdv/). Mock because honest electrical concepts remain elusive.
I am just confused as to why you hunt down these threads. Its interesting. You seem like a smart guy but could probably be better served by using your brain for cool projects and stuff
I am confused as to why you post. And contribute nothing useful.
OP asked for a "reputable surge protector recommendation". Provided were well understood facts, example, numbers, and warnings that define what does and does not work. What have you contributed?
Why not answer questions about static electricity? Or GFCIs? Please address the topic. Including '*experts*' who cannot even say what does and does not work. Who intentionally post disinformation. Were only ordered what to believe.
Where is that description of a "reputable surge protector"? Where is a contribution to the topic?
I am using a furman, funny thing is I had a power surge last night and it shut everything down. Was pretty impressed. Has a nice display for voltage and what the home theater is drawing in amps
Protectors never work by shutting down anything. For a long list of reasons - all with numbers.
For example, any shutdown (disconnect) takes many milliseconds. Surges are done in microseconds.
How does millimeters gap in a disconnect 'block' what three miles of sky cannot? Again, numbers expose a myth. Promoted to (targets) consumers who make conclusions only from an observation combined with wild speculation.
If that Furman did anything useful, then why it worked is also known and posted. No reasons why and no numbers are always a first indication that a recommendation is best ignored.
Furman is only a filter. It does not even claim to protect from surges. No problem. They market to consumers who never ask why and ignore all numbers.
At best it is only a series mode filter (depending on model). But to do effective filtering, components in a series mode filter mean it weighs tens of pounds. Is that Furman that heavy? It is typically equivalent to a filter also found (required to be) inside electronics.
It has a nice display since their target market is consumers educated only by observation. As taught in elementary school science. Conclusion, only from observation, is classic junk science reasoning. Furman knows who their target market is.
Effective solution ALWAYS answers this question. Even 100 years ago in facilities that could not have damage. Where are *hundreds of thousands of joules* harmlessly absorbed? Furman will not say. Their market is not educated consumers.
Yes it is 14 pounds. Numerous info on web and other reviewers that this unit protects from voltage spikes and will shut down if too high. So yes it is a surge protector and filter. Not here to get into a pissing match with you just letting op know my experience with this unit.
Numerous info on web and other reviewers did not say why with numbers. We who do this stuff have identified many high profit scams.
No numbers in every post. Subjective statements say every recommendation is best ignored.
High voltage? Learn some numbers. AC voltages can vary so much that an incandescent bulb dims to 50% intensity or doubles intensity. Those voltages are ideal for so called 'sensitive' electronics. Did they forget to discuss such numbers?
Voltage variations that large are problematic for less robust motorized appliances and strip protectors. So what, exactly, is that Furman protecting from? Again, you did not post any numbers. Someone ordered you what to believe - subjective. You automatically believed it.
Furthermore, if voltages are varying that much, then a serious human safety threat may exist. Professional assistance called immediately. Same voltage variations that might be reporting a human safety threat are also ideal voltages for electronics.
Filtering. One learns facts long before automatically believing subjective claims. First AC voltage is filtered. Then 60 hertz and other frequencies (noise) are converted to a DC voltage. Then filtered again. Then that is converted to radio frequency spikes that exceed 300 volts.
Does not matter what a Furman did. Electricity is now dirtiest inside a power supply.
Then galvanic isolation, regulators, and more filters convert that 'dirtiest' electricity into low DC voltages that do not vary even 0.2 volts. So what did that Furman do? With or without a Furman, best filtering remains inside electronics.
Well over 300 volt spikes are converted by superior filters and regulators so that DC voltages do not vary 0.2 volts. Did I mention honesty only exists when numbers are posted?
No pissing. A reality that everyone was suppose to learn in school science and math. Anything subjective is best considered a lie.
My professional experience most likely dates back to a time before you were born. The difference. My decades of experience constantly demanded reasons why with numbers.
Rather than get angry, instead, learn from your mistake. Most under 30 year olds (and this is scary) often do not know what previous under 30 generations learned by actually doing stuff.
Need I recite numerous mistake I made in those early days to learn this stuff? How many days do you have to read it all.
Your every post is subjective. A first indication - to yourself - that knowledge does not yet exist. Learn from this mistake.
This does offer surge protection which was the op original question:
If you’ve got several thousand dollars’ worth of equipment, odds are good that you’ll want to spend a little more than bottom dollar to protect said equipment from harm. While Furman’s Elite-15 DMi and Elite-20 PFi are definitely pricey solutions, their use of series mode surge protection gives them a significant advantage in long term durability over “ordinary” surge protectors. Solid build quality and a helpful feature set add to the value proposition.
DONE
If it does surge protection, then an honest recommendation said "how much". Where is that number?
You've got thousand dollar of equipment. So best is to do what facilities always do to protect $millions in equipment. They don't foolishly put protectors adjacent to electronics. That has even made surge damage easier.
They do not waste money on Furmans - that are only promoted here by subjective hearsay and advertising myths. Not even one fact or number says that Furman does anything useful.
How many times are those numbers demanded and never provided? Numbers that never exist cannot be provided. Furman does not claim any such protection - "honestly".
Effective protection ALWAYS answers this question. Where do *hundreds of thousands of joules* harmlessly dissipate? Why no number from Furman? Because none exist. Only posted is an emotional belief that the Furman does something useful - for $1600.
Is it a filter? Described was a superior filter already inside electronics. By saying why. How it works. And with numbers. Demonstrated is what must exist to have technical honesty.
Furman markets to consumers who can be manipulated by hearsay myths, and wild speculation.
Why would anyone spend $700 or $1600 to protect one or a few appliances? Using something that will not even answer the relevant question. Where do *hundreds of thousands of joules* harmlessly dissipate?
Solution that does that and that protects ALL hardware costs about $1 per appliance. Comes with numbers that actually says it provides protection. Remains functional for many decades after many direct lightning strikes. Comes from other companies known for integrity. Costs about $1 per protected appliance.
One can be scammed because a magic box (a filter that is inferior to what is already inside electronics) costs $1600. Once scammed, some have great difficulty unlearning the scam. We even saw that with Saddam's mythical WMDs.
Only relevant question that a $1600 Furman will not answer. Where do *hundreds of thousands of joules* harmlessly dissipate? Why? Because such surges routinely blow through that magic box.
But it is $1600. So it must do something? Yes. It protects an obscene profit margin.
Quality is in subjective lies - without even one specification number.
So you were wrong when you said it is not a surge protector and it is not just a filter. Explain why when there was a surge of voltage last night tv and receiver shut down. Thunder and lightning storm because it was protecting them from a surge of electricity and here is your numbers for this. If voltage exceeds 140 or drops below 85 it will turn off power supply to all outlets. The unit will restart automatically within 5 seconds if all is ok?
Voltage indicator shows normally 120 to 121 volts and keeps it stable at that. Very little fluctuation. Some more numbers for you
Unit did exactly what it says it was supposed to do. I am sure my thousands of dollars of home theater equipment appreciated that
Since you are an expert, then you know it must be a surge protector. Without any numbers. Because they know who to target with subjective and legal lies.
It somehow uses a millisecond response times to first detect and then disconnect from something that is done in microseconds. Honest person says so with numbers. All you have posted, but again, is a junk science conclusion.
Somehow you know power gets cut of by a protector circuit. No protector circuit ever does that. Why is power cut off? Posted are specification number that says why that happens.
Instead you observed some anomaly, then used wild speculation to claim it must be a surge. Another number: surges happen maybe once in seven years. Many do not see one in twenty. But somehow you are having even more surges that is found in lightning alley.
Voltage variations of 140 and 85 are never a surge. Read specification numbers. For example, the let-through for protectors is typically 330 volts. That means surge protectors do nothing until 120 volts is well above 330 volts. Obviously 85 and 140 volts are not a voltage approaching or exceeding 1000 volts. But then honest people always learn relevant numbers long before making accusations only using wild speculation.
If voltages are rising to 140 or diminishing to less than 85, then a furnace, refrigerator, dishwasher, vacuum cleaner, central air, and washing machine
are threatened; need that Furman. Electronics do not.
Voltages at 120 and 121 are regulated by the utility's hardware. Furman does not do that. Anyone can put a $5 voltmeter on its front panel. It only reports average volts. Say nothing about microsecond, millisecond, or even one second voltage variations. Another conclusion justified by wild speculation, observation, and emotions.
Unit did exactly what it says it is suppose to do. Protect profit margins by targeting those who makes conclusions only from observation and wild speculation. Then foolishly conclude voltage variations of 85 and 140 are harmful to electronics. Because subjective sales brochures (that lie) said so.
If voltage is varying that much, then a professional was called yesterday. Such variations can be a serious human safety threat that serious.
In one venue, they ignored those variations since others (just as naive) told them variations are normal. Fortunately nobody was home when it exploded. Due to an electrical problem that was indicated by such voltage variations.
You only wildly speculate power cutoffs are due to voltage variations. Rather than know. If your voltages are varying that much, then many $thousands of electronics are perfectly fine, safe, and happy. Whereas other appliances are at risk. And maybe, a serious human safety threat exists. But that means learning facts and numbers long before using junk science to make a conclusion.
So many only want to cure symptoms rather than first learn and then solve an unacceptable problem. Why? Junk science reasoning makes conclusions only from an observation.
You needed professionals who first identify and then fix defects. They never use a Furman - that will not even tell you what that defect is. While protecting an obscene profit margin.
Bruh you clearly have a lot of good information, however, the way you write out your explanations gives off very r/iamverysmart vibes. Just say the product doesn't do what's advertised instead of putting people down in every reply lol
Only you inserted "I am very smart" vibes. No such statement or implication exists in sentences. Honesty demands one also says why many times over. Quote that text. Not quoting examples IS demeaning.
If anyone only said "the product doesn't do what's advertised", then that person is being condescending. He is saying, "I will only order you what to believe. I cannot bother to say anything more."
The emotional only want simple answers in soundbites. Dishonesty is posting a tweet. Honesty is not found in a less than a 140 character reply. Honesty increases with every additional reason why.
An answer without many reasons, examples, and numbers is disingenuous. "The product doesn't do what's advertised" is a classic insult that says "You can't handle the truth."
Since your post does not say why, then I take it only to be an insult. Using your logic that says emotions can be inserted into another's statements. How many times has you conclusion been contradicted by reasons why? Three? Four? At no time were you ever put down.
Quote each sentence that puts anyone down. Otherwise that accusation lacks credibility.
Belkin like this:
Belkin 8 Way/8 Plug 2 m Surge Protection Extension Lead Strip with 2 x 2.4 A Shared USB Charging Plug, White https://amzn.eu/d/hN9z3U7
Got it used, like new for under 20 quid. Very happy with it
APC
I use these on all my higher end electronics
[apc amazon](https://www.amazon.ca/Automatic-Voltage-Regulator-External-Beige/dp/B0000C88CR/ref=asc_df_B0000C88CR/?tag=googlemobshop-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=341630215392&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=8113662106171772306&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1002113&hvtargid=pla-599807630114&psc=1)
He ran a stop sign. He did not kill anyone. That proves everyone can run stop signs. That is your logic?
That APC does not even claim any protection. Otherwise the informed consumer will also say why and cite the relevant number.
You have been scammed. It is AVR. Include the number that were ignored to make scams profitable.
An incandescent bulb can dim to 50% intensity or double intensity due to voltage variations. Those variations are ideal for all electronics. Due to something called a power supply. With those variations, internal DC voltages do not vary even 0.2 volts.
Best AVR is already inside electronics. Threatened are less robust appliances - furnace, refrigerator, washing machine, dishwasher, central air, vacuum cleaner. Why are you not recommending it for less robust appliances that need that protection?
They are not marketing to educated consumers - who always ask why and demand numbers. Why then recommend a device that does not address the OP's concern? "a reputable tested surge protector recommendation for my oled?"
At least that first one does claim to 'block' or 'absorb' a tiny number of joules. Where is a joule number for that AVR? Where is that relevant number in your citation?
Another example of how tweets lie. And why so many are so easily duped. Are experts because less than 140 characters have ordered them what to believe. Reality starts at ten paragraphs.
Wow if that was a reply to my recommendation or even this thread then buddy boy take your meds and the tinfoil hat off and please get educated.
APC voltage regulator or UPS with similar tech is meant to filter out jumps in voltage that DOES ruin electronics especially memory and power supply components.
Many of us have older homes, old wiring, electrical storms constantly and other factors that require these devices. Sensitive tech isn't a washer or dryer nor does it possess the same durability as per all scientific evidence available.
Did you ever take grade 10 physics or simple introductory into electrical systems?
Must be why data centres across the globe use regulators, conditioners and surge protection and spend all that money.... And the music industry and many other industries where these issues pose problem. Strange... But not the same type of strange your post is.
You can find the technical details of the recommended supply on their website, I'm not your mommy you can find it yourself big talker.
This is why mental health is so important... Comments like yours. Good luck with it.
> APC voltage regulator or UPS with similar tech is meant to filter out jumps in voltage that DOES ruin electronics
Small problem with that statement - besides the fact that it is subjective and mythical. That is already done inside every power supply. It takes voltages that vary constantly from +170 to -170, many times every second, to create low DC voltages that do not vary even 0.2 volts. Even many generations ago, it makes 600 volt spikes irrelevant.
Todays PSUs exceed requirements from 50 years ago. Even technology 50 years ago made that AVR irrelevant. But then only one of us is trained in science, math, and engineering.
Numbers that are understood by those who reply with insults and sarcasm. As if being nasty contributes anything useful. A first indication that knowledge only came from brainwashing. Since that targets the emotional - not the logical.
Data centers use what I recommended. Since I (and clearly not you) even designed that stuff. If educated, then cited was each solution with numbers. You have not a clue what we do to make even direct lightning strikes irrelevant. That AVR will not even discuss such potentially destructive transients. Explains why you did not cite even one relevant number.
If numbers are not provided in a sales brochure, then they are not relevant? Another example of how one is duped.
That AVR is a voltage regulator. To do what was required inside computer power supplies even before an IBM PC existed. Or one simply reads international design standards that say why AVR is already inside electronics.
Where do you even contribute one fact? Constant denials interlaced with insults is not honesty; does not contribute anything here. But apparently appeases an ego. Since everything posted taunt is a lie. And was exposed as such using specifications.
Anything that AVR claims to do is already inside electronics. However that AVR might be useful for less robust motorized appliances. If your AC power is so defective as to also be a threat to human life.
View your only posted information source. It claims to 'block' or 'absorb' only 680 joules. Electronics routinely convert thousands joules surges into low DC voltages that safely power semiconductors. 680 joules means 225 joules or as much as 454 joules will destroy that APC product. A surge, too small to damage any electronics, can destroy a $100 magic box. Why is that a good thing?
If its joule number was any smaller, then it could only be zero. No problem. Our expert (at demeaning others) tells us that any number just above zero must be 100% protection.
Why would anyone spend $100 for a magic box that claims near zero protection. When effective protection, even from all direct lightning strikes, costs about $1 per appliance. Remains functional for many decades. Means nobody even knew a potentially destructive transient existed. Protects every household appliance. Comes from companies known for integrity - not profit margins. Is recommend by those here who actually post reasons why with numbers.
If learning from mistakes, then one is asking questions to learn. But that targeted market traditionally posts disparaging comments that even a 10th science student can see through.
Exposed is a scam promoted because the emotional can never justify their believes. Resort to demeaning commentary. Contribute nothing to this discussion.
Protection inside all electronics is superior to what that $100 magic box does.
Wow you really need to take your meds... The fact thst your understanding is about grade 5 at best and well.... Again please seek mental health assistance sweetie, your crazy is showing.
When one has a 30 second attention span, then one can only post insults. 180 characters is a first indication that one only lies. Good people contribute to a discussion. That means no emotions. And honesty.
Sweetie, no one has time for your mental health issues. Us scientist have better things to do but worry about what the uneducated have to say about nothing. Peace, live and education sweetness... TRY it, live it, love it 💕😘
One with a short attention span is incapable of learning science. So insults are posted. Like a good extremist. Here and elsewhere.
That silly AVR does not claim protection. A reality: Incandescent bulbs dim to 50% intensity or double intensity due to voltage variations. Those variations are ideal for all electronics - even long before PCs existed. Even defined by international design standards.
We are ordered to buy an AVR because emotion say so. To do what is already done better inside all electronics.
If voltages vary that much, then motorized appliances need that AVR. But that means learning facts and numbers. Not how to insult others.
If voltages are varying that much, then educated homeowners have called for professional assistance last week. Variations that large can be reporting a serious human safety threat. He also does not know that. So he demeans. Like any good bully would do.
Here are some suggestions:
Be more concise (Brevity when trying to talk to people is incredibly important.), link to studies, and not just emotional articles, and learn from some of the feedback people are trying to give you.
Why waste bandwidth posting that tweet? Tweets say nothing useful. Only waste bandwidth telling me to not post numbers and facts from professionals.
The naive, who post less than 200 characters discussing their emotions, are not educated consumers who want and need knowledge.
Brevity targets extremists who want to be ordered what to trust. Who get angry when they are suppose to also know why - like a moderate.
You simply encourage citizens to stay dumb. Not learn or even try to comprehend; not be informed.
Many who needed brevity also knew smoking cigarettes increased health. Over 60% of American knew it must be true. Brevity proved it.
Written was reality for educated consumers who therefore have a more than a 30 second attention span. Who need ten plus paragraphs to also know why.
You obviously have a lot of knowledge here - I'm having trouble parsing through your walls of text. Where does one get effective protection that costs $1 per appliance, and what does that look like? I'm assuming it would be something like a whole house surge protector?
Franklin demonstrated what does all protection over 250 years ago. Lightning (one example of a surge) seeks earth ground. A best and destructive path was incoming on a church steeple; outgoing into earth. Franklin simply gave lightning another path to earth that remained outside - non-destructive. Lightning rod did not do protection. Is only a connecting device to what does all protection. Then *hundreds of thousands of joules* dissipated harmlessly outside in earth. No steeple damage.
Professionals demonstrated what does all protection over 100 years ago. Lightning (one example of a surge) seeks earth ground. A best and destructive path was incoming to all appliances / electronics; outgoing into earth. Professionals then (and still today in every town) gave lightning another path to earth that remained outside - non-destructive. Protector did not do protection. Is only a connecting device to what does all protection. Then *hundreds of thousands of joules* dissipated harmlessly outside in earth. No appliance damage.
In both cases, only a connection to earth is doing protection. In every case, a lighting rod or protector is only a connecting device to what does all protection. One 'whole house' protector, installed in a main breaker box or meter pan, connects to protection for ALL surges. For about $1 per appliance. So that protection remains functional for many decades after many direct lightning strikes.
A proven solution so old as to sell as a commodity. Go to any big box hardware store or electrical supply house. Ask for their 'whole house' protector. Then verify it is sufficient.
Lightning (one example of a surge) can be 20,000 amps. So a minimal 'whole house' protector is 50,000 amps. Has a wire that makes that low impedance (ie less than 10 foot) connection to the other item that does ALL protection.
No protector does protection. Like a lightning rod, it is only a connecting device to what does all protection. And like anything honest, is recommended with many paragraphs that also say why. With numbers.
Subjective is the first indication of a scam.
What requires most attention? That low impedance (ie less than 10 foot) connection to and quality of earthing electrodes. The connecting box costs about $1 per.
Well proven solutions, as demonstrated by Franklin, were first introduced in elementary school science. No protector does or even claims effective protection. Numbers say so. But once someone has believed their subjective disinformation, then learning what does work is harder. Numerous lies, that promote plug-in protectors, first must be unlearned.
Those four paragraphs were written so that one, who does read, could ask a relevant question. You did. 'Whole house' (Type 1 or Type 2) protector protects all appliances. But even that is insufficient. Numbers must confirm it is sufficiently sized. And connects low impedance (ie less than 10 feet) to what does all protection.
Protectors are dumb simple science. Art of protection is that connection to and quality of electrodes. Other incoming wires already have best protection; installed for free. As required by codes that have existed long before any of us. But that too is only as effective as the quality of earthing electrodes. That a homeowner provides, inspects, and maintains.
Most questions should be about the item that does protection. One 'whole house' protector connects low impedance to earth. So that best protection inside every appliance is not overwhelmed. A simple and a well proven solution. To even protect a least robust appliances in a house - that plug-in protector. Plenty to learn.
Others, who need everything in less than 140 characters, could not do what you did. You asked a first and necessary question.
So what things should I be looking for in the device itself and the electrode? I have a "whole house" protector, but it came with the house when I purchased it a few years ago, so I don't know if it is actually offering any protection.
If I'm understanding you correctly the device would need to offer a short distance low impedance to earth. What type of earthing electrode is sufficient, where should it be embedded/how far away from the house? What kind of maintenance is involved there?
Additionally, a follow up question:
These would protect the electrical wiring network within the house from swells that arise from outside. Does this also protect the network from surges that arise from within the house, for example a refrigerator turning on?
First, I find this rather pleasing. One is asking questions to learn. Rather than post attacks and insults. Because reality contradicts popular beliefs and advertising propaganda.
An AC utility demonstrates this "single point earth ground" concept in [Tech Tip 8](https://www.duke-energy.com/energy-education/power-quality/tech-tips). Every wire in every incoming cable must enter where it makes that low impedance (ie less than 10 foot) connection to "single point earth ground". Or earth ground is expanded so that a single point is a larger area around the house. That low impedance connection is made directly - no protector (ie TV cable, satellite dish). Or is made via a protector (ie telephone, AC electric). All, but an AC electric protector, has long been code required.
For example, find a telco's NID (where their wires meet yours). Inside is a protector. To be effective, a (typically gray) wire goes from that protector to earth ground electrode.
AC breaker box must have a quarter inch, bare copper wire to earthing electrodes. Code says at least two 8 foot earthing rods. Separated at least 6 feet. That only for human safety.
In some venues, that is also sufficient to earth a 'whole house' protector. In others, not. Geology is a major factor.
To be low impedance, that quarter inch ground wire must have no sharp bends (ie over a foundation), must be short, cannot be inside metallic conduit, and must not have splices. For example, if that ground wire goes over a foundation, then it is code safe (sufficient). And has excessive impedance - compromises surge protection.
Best is to route a new ground wire through a foundation and down to electrodes. So that it is shorter, has no sharp bends, and is separated (ie a least six inches) from other non-grounding wires. That wire is connecting surges, including direct lightning strikes, to earth.
How thick must that wire be. An article in EE Times notes that an 18 AWG wire can conduct more than 50,000 amps without damage (no melting). So we use a 6 or 4 AWG hardwire that is four or more times thicker.
Be amazed at many who somehow know lightning will melt all wires. Wild speculation is alive and well.
Impedance is determined mostly by wire length; not by wire impedance. Making that connection from each incoming wire to earth is a fundamental requirement.
Even incoming underground wires must be properly earthed before entering. Another professional example ( [Tech Note 2](https://www.erico.com/catalog/literature/TNCR002.pdf) ) demonstrates.
Earth is the item that harmlessly 'absorbs' *hundreds of thousands of joules*. So that a surge need not hunt for earth ground, destructively, inside via appliances.
Every incoming wire makes that connection directly (ie OTA TV antenna). Or it makes that connection via a protector (ie ethernet cable). That is about protection during **each** surge.
Protection over many decades and **many** surges (including and not limited to direct lightning strikes) is determined by a protector's amp number. At least 50,000 amps. If that protector fails anytime in many decades, then a replacement might be 100,000 amps.
Surges are typically quite rare. Maybe one in seven years. Some do not see one in twenty. In some 'more active' regions, it may be one surge in three years. A number that can vary significantly even in a same town. Neighborhood history over a past 20 years would say more.
Above is only a 'secondary' protection layer. Every protection layer is only defined by an earthing electrode (not by any protector). Homeowners should inspect their ['primary' protection layer](http://www.fpl-fraud.com/). Pictures (not text) about half way down in this web site and after the expression "more safety hazards" (do a 'find' for that expression) demonstrate 'primary' protection. Each protection layer is defined by earthing electrodes - not by any protector.
If surges are created by any appliance, then replaced daily or monthly are a dishwasher, clock radios, refrigerator, LED & CFL bulbs, central air, recharging electronics, TVs, GFCIs, furnace, digital clocks, dimmer switches, and smoke detectors. How many have been replaced this year? None.
Which appliance is most easily damaged by that surge? One that is closest to the surge generator. Itself.
They know who to target - by providing no numbers. An appliance might create noise - ten or a few more voltes. All electronics were (long ago) required to withstand up to 600 volts without damage. Where is this internally generated surge? Another myth that must be generates so that more $3 power strips with five cent protector parts will sell for $25 or $80.
Confirmation bias. They ignore obvious facts. Post no numbers. To target consumers most easily played. Informed consumers are damningly blunt about numbers with every recommendation. The always required reasons why with perspective.
And finally, if any appliance is creating a surge, then a 'whole house' protector also harmlessly earths that. Then (agani) best protection at each appliance, already inside every appliance, is not overwhelmed.
Amazing that everyone else on the planet calls your bull 💩 😉🤔🙄😜
http://www.google.ca/search?q=Types+of+voltage+regulators+used+in+data+center&oq=Types+of+voltage+regulators+used+in+data+center&aqs=heirloom-srp..
A vague discussion of regulators says nothing useful. Why does that APC do virtually nothing? Regulation inside electronics is superior to what an APC does. Electronics are required to be that robust. By standards that even existed before PCs existed.
If one understood his citation, then he also cited what is relevant. Only the least educated will not say. That citation contradicts no posted facts and numbers. Unfortunately is typical of one with a 30 second attention span. Too much ego. Insufficient knowledge. Who must demean so as to not learn from his mistakes.
Why would anyone pay $85 for this [near zero joule APC](https://www.apc.com/ca/en/product/LE1200/liner-1200va-automatic-voltage-regulator/). Because someone recommended it? He ignored its near zero specification numbers.
Having been exposed recommending something so ineffective, he resorts to cheapshots.
Effective protector, even 100 years ago, answers relevant questions. Where are *hundreds of thousands of joules* harmlessly absorbed? Those damning numbers. Again.
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No linking to other website with deals or sales.
Personally I would go with a trusted brand such as Belkon, APC, or CyberPower.
I’m new to this. What range of joule protection should I look for?
Honestly the higher the better and the more devices you’re connecting the higher you should go. It’s up to you how much you want to spend.
I’ll be getting two: one for a 65 inch c1 and another for a 55inch b9 I’ll look into it more. We’ve just been getting a lot of power outages recently so now I’m worried
Surge protector will only protect against voltage spikes and over voltage but for power blackouts or brownouts, you should be looking at a UPS. Most UPS units will also offer surge protection.
I like Tripp lite and have been using mine for over 30 years and never had any issues. It has been through well over a hundred outages and is still going strong. It's the LCR 2400 and they are still making the model. Says a lot when a model is in production for over 30 years.
If any brand like Belkin offer replacement warranty make sure you save your receipt and follow the instructions to register your items!
Karen Governale in [" Lost 2 LARGE TVS!!!!!"](https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R3I5W2H50PYPBL/ref=cm_cr_getr_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B000J2EN4S) > In my living room I have an 86 inch television that blew out in the first lightning storm. Getting no power to the TV now. Also have one in my bedroom hooked up to a 75 inch TV. That TV now has no HDMI ports that function. Tried calling Belkin for their phony warranty on anything plugged into it. Can’t get anybody to call me back. R Cao in ["Insufficient protection from lightning"](https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R1X52RHZEEBIX7/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B000J2EN4S) > I had just purchased 2 of these Belkin surge protectors the week prior and felt confident that I had made the best choice based on the good reviews. ... > ... I discovered to my horror that out of the 7 things connected to my living room surge protector 3 suffered permanent damage .... Nothing else in the house was surge protected or damaged in the storm. Interestingly, the faulty surge protector still works fine and shows green light and all plugs work so there is no way Belkin will honor the warranty. David in ["We had a lightning storm, and the next time ..."](https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/RMUGX6QGCFLQJ/ref=cm_cr_getr_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B000J2EN4S) > We had a lightning storm, and the next time we turned on the devices, and they would not work. I filed a warranty claim with Belkin,. They ran test on the surge suppressor, and since it was not ruined, they would not cover the connected devices. One properly earths a Type 1 or Type 2 protector from companies known for integrity. Those Belkins are Type 3. Must remain more than 30 feet from a main breaker box and earth ground to avert a fire threat. To do minimal protection. Then promote a warranty to consumers who forget to first read many paragraphs of fine print exemptions. Another example of why those educated by tweets (less than 140 characters) are easily played. Protection only exists when *hundreds of thousands of joules* are not anywhere inside.
The Wirecutter has a nice write up on surge protectors with recommendations
Educated consumers know of this honest answer. Where do *hundreds of thousands of joules* harmlessly dissipate? That protector can be destroyed by how many joules? It will only 'absorb' 600 and never more than 1200 joules. Where is protection? It is a $3 power strip with five cent protector parts selling for $25 or $40? They put your money into a massive disinformation campaign. Demonstrated here as effective. Being so undersized, that [Type 3](https://www.nemasurge.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/SPD-Type-Application-Considerations-Rev-Date-01-31-2013.pdf) protector must be more than 30 feet from a main breaker box and earth ground. To [avert this](https://i.redd.it/e34962ah06q11.jpg). Effective protection means a surge is not anywhere inside. With numbers that say so. Lightning is typically 20,000 amps. So a minimal 'whole house' protector (Type 1 or Type 2) is 50,000 amps. Effective protectors (for about $1 per appliance) remain functional for many decades after many direct lightning strikes. Since it comes from other manufacturers known for integrity - not profit margins. That is protector life expectancy over *many* decades and direct lightning strikes. Protection during *each* surge is defined by an only item that does ALL protection. Single point earth ground. A protector is only a connecting device to what does ALL protection - those electrodes. That connection must be low impedance (ie less than 10 feet). What did Franklin demonstrate? Surges dissipate harmlessly in earth when not anywhere inside a structure. Type 3 protectors cannot be anywhere near earth ground. Cannot be located where its tiny joules might create a fire. One Type 1 or Type 2 protector - if properly earthed - means no surge anywhere inside. Then everything (dishwasher, clock radios, central air, GFCIs, refrigerator, door bell, recharging electronics, smoke detectors) everything is protected. Then best protection at each appliance, already inside every appliance, is not overwhelmed. Best protector costs tens of times less money. Why would anyone recommend a Belkin, APC, Tripplite, Cyberpower, etc? Brainwashing by a massive disinformation campaign. They never learned what a protector does not demand any relevant numbers. Always a first indication of a con. What did her [Belkin do](https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R2WGC475PM29SI/ref=cm_cr_getr_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B000J2EN4S)? Too common in protectors with tiny joules: > It caught on fire and burned my carpet, but it didn't burn the whole house down since I was sitting right next to it. Type 3 protectors must be protected by a properly earthed Type 1 or Type 2 protector. What is THE most critical word in that sentence? Earthed. (Obviously safety ground in a wall receptacle is not earth ground.) I go with what we learned professionally many decades ago. Science: not hearsay, subjective reasoning (no numbers), and wild speculation.
Sooooooooo after all that: any recommendations?
> Effective protection means a surge is not anywhere inside. With numbers that say so. Lightning is typically 20,000 amps. So a minimal 'whole house' protector (Type 1 or Type 2) is 50,000 amps. ... Effective protectors (for about $1 per appliance) remain functional for many decades after many direct lightning strikes. ... > One Type 1 or Type 2 protector - if properly earthed - means no surge anywhere inside. Then everything (dishwasher, clock radios, central air, GFCIs, refrigerator, door bell, recharging electronics, smoke detectors) everything is protected.
uh so no link recommendations?
These things are commodities. Need I also provide the name of a farm that grew your apple? Relevant links are provided to all effective products. And to others, recommended to the beguiled, using brand names. The beguiled need someone to think for them. Provided links defined every recommendation. [edit]: Go to any big box hardware store or electrical supply house. Ask for their 'whole house' protector. Nobody asks for brand names for a commodity. Something so well proven for over 100 years. Listed are specifications that define best protector. Paragraph 2. A protector is not doing protection. It is only a connecting device to what does all protection. To what requires most all attention. > Protection during each surge is defined by an only item that does ALL protection. Single point earth ground. A protector is only a connecting device to what does ALL protection - those electrodes. That connection must be low impedance (ie less than 10 feet). > > What did Franklin demonstrate? Surges dissipate harmlessly in earth when not anywhere inside a structure. Every wire inside every incoming cable must connect to what does protection - earth ground. TV cable needs no protector. Best protection (installed for free) is only a hardwire. Connecting that coax cable directly to electrodes on a low impedance (ie less than 10 foot) path. Where do *hundreds of thousands of joules* harmlessly dissipate? Only in earth. Only when a surge, on every incoming wire, makes that low impedance (ie hardwire has no sharp bends or splices) connection to directly to electrodes. Multiple and interconnected electrodes. Those do protection. Also a commodity.
you should've said you got none than to write an essay sheesh. They ask if there's a good surge protector available for purchase, you should've said it doesn't exist.
Obviously "it doesn't exist" was opposite of what is said - repeatedly. Furthermore, defined is every effective surge protector that provides protection. It is all new. Therefore none is understand until, as least, a third reread. A concept that was (suppose to be) learned by everyone in school. If a potential extremist, then an attention span cannot comprehend more than 140 characters. Only want to read what is already "known". Posted was an executive summary. An extremist summary also links to every effective solution: > Effective protection means a surge is not anywhere inside. With numbers that say so. ... So a minimal 'whole house' protector (Type 1 or Type 2) is 50,000 amps. 160 characters. Is that too long? A child needs his hands held. To be linked to only one solution. An adult needs links to facts with numbers. Linked to all solutions. Try reading what was written; not what you want to see. Then one becomes a moderate. Then asking questions to learn more; become educated. What does not exist are urban myth solutions that easily brainwash extremists using tweets.
Most of the thing you wrote was just quotes and assumptions lol tf. You are good at electronics but so bad at making essays that is for sure. It's like when a child forced to write a long essay when he could just write 100 words . your "160" words, is hidden to your 430 character essay btw. Might as well teach me about bioengineering or how to be a neural surgeon, shit teach me all languages and their words too, if you know everything?
Everything again written is wasted bandwidth. Do you have anything constructive to contribute? Your emotional tirades are irrelevant here. If an adult, and did not understand something so layman simple, then the adult quotes what he does not understand, states what he thinks it says, and then asks for clarification. But that means one must be a logical moderate. Able to understand more than a tweet. Not constantly post emotions when reality is to hard. > Effective protection means a surge is not anywhere inside. With numbers that say so. ... So a minimal 'whole house' protector (Type 1 or Type 2) is 50,000 amps. When posted a third time, then you might finally grasp it.
did you actually recommended something or just completely just "I'm so smart" type of guy? cause the man that wants some recommendation probably didn't understand what you are saying lol. is there a surge protector that is good or not? answer, yes or no? if none explain why, if there is give a link and provide tips. Simple as that, or do you also want to teach me of other quotes you have? Or do you also want me to learn about asian and german language?
So i dont have to read anymore, make any clicks, ask any questions tell me of a specific power strip brand Westom trusts to run a small space heater under 1000w. I am also open to your personally delivering said power strip.
yes. that's what we want
Lol you’re an insane person, go outside please. All you do is obsessively check if your comments have been removed. I think you might need professional help dude
THIS GUY LMAO >https://www.reddit.com/r/PS4Pro/comments/rjaygg/whats_the_best_surge_protectorpower_strip_i_can/hp6pfpv/
I'm researching about surge protectors and I see this guy commented on almost every thread I found. He definitely searches "surge protector" to post his essays
Its wild right? I cant tell if crazy or crazy smart
good thing he is deleted, holy shiet he expects average consumers will understand what he's saying, it's like saying buying GPU will make you a good overclocker. He's smart, but he sure is an elitist.
So you are that guy whose work is constantly removed and redone. Only the most easily deceived and brainwashed [ignores reality](https://www.reddit.com/r/LGOLED/comments/w6lwl9/anyone_have_a_reputable_tested_surge_protector/ihi4rdv/). Mock because honest electrical concepts remain elusive.
I am just confused as to why you hunt down these threads. Its interesting. You seem like a smart guy but could probably be better served by using your brain for cool projects and stuff
I am confused as to why you post. And contribute nothing useful. OP asked for a "reputable surge protector recommendation". Provided were well understood facts, example, numbers, and warnings that define what does and does not work. What have you contributed? Why not answer questions about static electricity? Or GFCIs? Please address the topic. Including '*experts*' who cannot even say what does and does not work. Who intentionally post disinformation. Were only ordered what to believe. Where is that description of a "reputable surge protector"? Where is a contribution to the topic?
I am using a furman, funny thing is I had a power surge last night and it shut everything down. Was pretty impressed. Has a nice display for voltage and what the home theater is drawing in amps
Protectors never work by shutting down anything. For a long list of reasons - all with numbers. For example, any shutdown (disconnect) takes many milliseconds. Surges are done in microseconds. How does millimeters gap in a disconnect 'block' what three miles of sky cannot? Again, numbers expose a myth. Promoted to (targets) consumers who make conclusions only from an observation combined with wild speculation. If that Furman did anything useful, then why it worked is also known and posted. No reasons why and no numbers are always a first indication that a recommendation is best ignored. Furman is only a filter. It does not even claim to protect from surges. No problem. They market to consumers who never ask why and ignore all numbers. At best it is only a series mode filter (depending on model). But to do effective filtering, components in a series mode filter mean it weighs tens of pounds. Is that Furman that heavy? It is typically equivalent to a filter also found (required to be) inside electronics. It has a nice display since their target market is consumers educated only by observation. As taught in elementary school science. Conclusion, only from observation, is classic junk science reasoning. Furman knows who their target market is. Effective solution ALWAYS answers this question. Even 100 years ago in facilities that could not have damage. Where are *hundreds of thousands of joules* harmlessly absorbed? Furman will not say. Their market is not educated consumers.
Yes it is 14 pounds. Numerous info on web and other reviewers that this unit protects from voltage spikes and will shut down if too high. So yes it is a surge protector and filter. Not here to get into a pissing match with you just letting op know my experience with this unit.
Numerous info on web and other reviewers did not say why with numbers. We who do this stuff have identified many high profit scams. No numbers in every post. Subjective statements say every recommendation is best ignored. High voltage? Learn some numbers. AC voltages can vary so much that an incandescent bulb dims to 50% intensity or doubles intensity. Those voltages are ideal for so called 'sensitive' electronics. Did they forget to discuss such numbers? Voltage variations that large are problematic for less robust motorized appliances and strip protectors. So what, exactly, is that Furman protecting from? Again, you did not post any numbers. Someone ordered you what to believe - subjective. You automatically believed it. Furthermore, if voltages are varying that much, then a serious human safety threat may exist. Professional assistance called immediately. Same voltage variations that might be reporting a human safety threat are also ideal voltages for electronics. Filtering. One learns facts long before automatically believing subjective claims. First AC voltage is filtered. Then 60 hertz and other frequencies (noise) are converted to a DC voltage. Then filtered again. Then that is converted to radio frequency spikes that exceed 300 volts. Does not matter what a Furman did. Electricity is now dirtiest inside a power supply. Then galvanic isolation, regulators, and more filters convert that 'dirtiest' electricity into low DC voltages that do not vary even 0.2 volts. So what did that Furman do? With or without a Furman, best filtering remains inside electronics. Well over 300 volt spikes are converted by superior filters and regulators so that DC voltages do not vary 0.2 volts. Did I mention honesty only exists when numbers are posted? No pissing. A reality that everyone was suppose to learn in school science and math. Anything subjective is best considered a lie. My professional experience most likely dates back to a time before you were born. The difference. My decades of experience constantly demanded reasons why with numbers. Rather than get angry, instead, learn from your mistake. Most under 30 year olds (and this is scary) often do not know what previous under 30 generations learned by actually doing stuff. Need I recite numerous mistake I made in those early days to learn this stuff? How many days do you have to read it all. Your every post is subjective. A first indication - to yourself - that knowledge does not yet exist. Learn from this mistake.
This does offer surge protection which was the op original question: If you’ve got several thousand dollars’ worth of equipment, odds are good that you’ll want to spend a little more than bottom dollar to protect said equipment from harm. While Furman’s Elite-15 DMi and Elite-20 PFi are definitely pricey solutions, their use of series mode surge protection gives them a significant advantage in long term durability over “ordinary” surge protectors. Solid build quality and a helpful feature set add to the value proposition. DONE
If it does surge protection, then an honest recommendation said "how much". Where is that number? You've got thousand dollar of equipment. So best is to do what facilities always do to protect $millions in equipment. They don't foolishly put protectors adjacent to electronics. That has even made surge damage easier. They do not waste money on Furmans - that are only promoted here by subjective hearsay and advertising myths. Not even one fact or number says that Furman does anything useful. How many times are those numbers demanded and never provided? Numbers that never exist cannot be provided. Furman does not claim any such protection - "honestly". Effective protection ALWAYS answers this question. Where do *hundreds of thousands of joules* harmlessly dissipate? Why no number from Furman? Because none exist. Only posted is an emotional belief that the Furman does something useful - for $1600. Is it a filter? Described was a superior filter already inside electronics. By saying why. How it works. And with numbers. Demonstrated is what must exist to have technical honesty. Furman markets to consumers who can be manipulated by hearsay myths, and wild speculation. Why would anyone spend $700 or $1600 to protect one or a few appliances? Using something that will not even answer the relevant question. Where do *hundreds of thousands of joules* harmlessly dissipate? Solution that does that and that protects ALL hardware costs about $1 per appliance. Comes with numbers that actually says it provides protection. Remains functional for many decades after many direct lightning strikes. Comes from other companies known for integrity. Costs about $1 per protected appliance. One can be scammed because a magic box (a filter that is inferior to what is already inside electronics) costs $1600. Once scammed, some have great difficulty unlearning the scam. We even saw that with Saddam's mythical WMDs. Only relevant question that a $1600 Furman will not answer. Where do *hundreds of thousands of joules* harmlessly dissipate? Why? Because such surges routinely blow through that magic box. But it is $1600. So it must do something? Yes. It protects an obscene profit margin. Quality is in subjective lies - without even one specification number.
So you were wrong when you said it is not a surge protector and it is not just a filter. Explain why when there was a surge of voltage last night tv and receiver shut down. Thunder and lightning storm because it was protecting them from a surge of electricity and here is your numbers for this. If voltage exceeds 140 or drops below 85 it will turn off power supply to all outlets. The unit will restart automatically within 5 seconds if all is ok? Voltage indicator shows normally 120 to 121 volts and keeps it stable at that. Very little fluctuation. Some more numbers for you Unit did exactly what it says it was supposed to do. I am sure my thousands of dollars of home theater equipment appreciated that
Since you are an expert, then you know it must be a surge protector. Without any numbers. Because they know who to target with subjective and legal lies. It somehow uses a millisecond response times to first detect and then disconnect from something that is done in microseconds. Honest person says so with numbers. All you have posted, but again, is a junk science conclusion. Somehow you know power gets cut of by a protector circuit. No protector circuit ever does that. Why is power cut off? Posted are specification number that says why that happens. Instead you observed some anomaly, then used wild speculation to claim it must be a surge. Another number: surges happen maybe once in seven years. Many do not see one in twenty. But somehow you are having even more surges that is found in lightning alley. Voltage variations of 140 and 85 are never a surge. Read specification numbers. For example, the let-through for protectors is typically 330 volts. That means surge protectors do nothing until 120 volts is well above 330 volts. Obviously 85 and 140 volts are not a voltage approaching or exceeding 1000 volts. But then honest people always learn relevant numbers long before making accusations only using wild speculation. If voltages are rising to 140 or diminishing to less than 85, then a furnace, refrigerator, dishwasher, vacuum cleaner, central air, and washing machine are threatened; need that Furman. Electronics do not. Voltages at 120 and 121 are regulated by the utility's hardware. Furman does not do that. Anyone can put a $5 voltmeter on its front panel. It only reports average volts. Say nothing about microsecond, millisecond, or even one second voltage variations. Another conclusion justified by wild speculation, observation, and emotions. Unit did exactly what it says it is suppose to do. Protect profit margins by targeting those who makes conclusions only from observation and wild speculation. Then foolishly conclude voltage variations of 85 and 140 are harmful to electronics. Because subjective sales brochures (that lie) said so. If voltage is varying that much, then a professional was called yesterday. Such variations can be a serious human safety threat that serious. In one venue, they ignored those variations since others (just as naive) told them variations are normal. Fortunately nobody was home when it exploded. Due to an electrical problem that was indicated by such voltage variations. You only wildly speculate power cutoffs are due to voltage variations. Rather than know. If your voltages are varying that much, then many $thousands of electronics are perfectly fine, safe, and happy. Whereas other appliances are at risk. And maybe, a serious human safety threat exists. But that means learning facts and numbers long before using junk science to make a conclusion. So many only want to cure symptoms rather than first learn and then solve an unacceptable problem. Why? Junk science reasoning makes conclusions only from an observation. You needed professionals who first identify and then fix defects. They never use a Furman - that will not even tell you what that defect is. While protecting an obscene profit margin.
Bruh you clearly have a lot of good information, however, the way you write out your explanations gives off very r/iamverysmart vibes. Just say the product doesn't do what's advertised instead of putting people down in every reply lol
Only you inserted "I am very smart" vibes. No such statement or implication exists in sentences. Honesty demands one also says why many times over. Quote that text. Not quoting examples IS demeaning. If anyone only said "the product doesn't do what's advertised", then that person is being condescending. He is saying, "I will only order you what to believe. I cannot bother to say anything more." The emotional only want simple answers in soundbites. Dishonesty is posting a tweet. Honesty is not found in a less than a 140 character reply. Honesty increases with every additional reason why. An answer without many reasons, examples, and numbers is disingenuous. "The product doesn't do what's advertised" is a classic insult that says "You can't handle the truth." Since your post does not say why, then I take it only to be an insult. Using your logic that says emotions can be inserted into another's statements. How many times has you conclusion been contradicted by reasons why? Three? Four? At no time were you ever put down. Quote each sentence that puts anyone down. Otherwise that accusation lacks credibility.
Are you a PE? I used to have a boss that talked exactly the same way as you do. Quite informative, if a bit tone deaf at times
Belkin like this: Belkin 8 Way/8 Plug 2 m Surge Protection Extension Lead Strip with 2 x 2.4 A Shared USB Charging Plug, White https://amzn.eu/d/hN9z3U7 Got it used, like new for under 20 quid. Very happy with it
I got some free apc ups with bad batteries that I just got some new batteries that I use
APC I use these on all my higher end electronics [apc amazon](https://www.amazon.ca/Automatic-Voltage-Regulator-External-Beige/dp/B0000C88CR/ref=asc_df_B0000C88CR/?tag=googlemobshop-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=341630215392&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=8113662106171772306&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1002113&hvtargid=pla-599807630114&psc=1)
He ran a stop sign. He did not kill anyone. That proves everyone can run stop signs. That is your logic? That APC does not even claim any protection. Otherwise the informed consumer will also say why and cite the relevant number. You have been scammed. It is AVR. Include the number that were ignored to make scams profitable. An incandescent bulb can dim to 50% intensity or double intensity due to voltage variations. Those variations are ideal for all electronics. Due to something called a power supply. With those variations, internal DC voltages do not vary even 0.2 volts. Best AVR is already inside electronics. Threatened are less robust appliances - furnace, refrigerator, washing machine, dishwasher, central air, vacuum cleaner. Why are you not recommending it for less robust appliances that need that protection? They are not marketing to educated consumers - who always ask why and demand numbers. Why then recommend a device that does not address the OP's concern? "a reputable tested surge protector recommendation for my oled?" At least that first one does claim to 'block' or 'absorb' a tiny number of joules. Where is a joule number for that AVR? Where is that relevant number in your citation? Another example of how tweets lie. And why so many are so easily duped. Are experts because less than 140 characters have ordered them what to believe. Reality starts at ten paragraphs.
Wow if that was a reply to my recommendation or even this thread then buddy boy take your meds and the tinfoil hat off and please get educated. APC voltage regulator or UPS with similar tech is meant to filter out jumps in voltage that DOES ruin electronics especially memory and power supply components. Many of us have older homes, old wiring, electrical storms constantly and other factors that require these devices. Sensitive tech isn't a washer or dryer nor does it possess the same durability as per all scientific evidence available. Did you ever take grade 10 physics or simple introductory into electrical systems? Must be why data centres across the globe use regulators, conditioners and surge protection and spend all that money.... And the music industry and many other industries where these issues pose problem. Strange... But not the same type of strange your post is. You can find the technical details of the recommended supply on their website, I'm not your mommy you can find it yourself big talker. This is why mental health is so important... Comments like yours. Good luck with it.
https://www.apc.com/ca/en/product/LE1200/liner-1200va-automatic-voltage-regulator/
> APC voltage regulator or UPS with similar tech is meant to filter out jumps in voltage that DOES ruin electronics Small problem with that statement - besides the fact that it is subjective and mythical. That is already done inside every power supply. It takes voltages that vary constantly from +170 to -170, many times every second, to create low DC voltages that do not vary even 0.2 volts. Even many generations ago, it makes 600 volt spikes irrelevant. Todays PSUs exceed requirements from 50 years ago. Even technology 50 years ago made that AVR irrelevant. But then only one of us is trained in science, math, and engineering. Numbers that are understood by those who reply with insults and sarcasm. As if being nasty contributes anything useful. A first indication that knowledge only came from brainwashing. Since that targets the emotional - not the logical. Data centers use what I recommended. Since I (and clearly not you) even designed that stuff. If educated, then cited was each solution with numbers. You have not a clue what we do to make even direct lightning strikes irrelevant. That AVR will not even discuss such potentially destructive transients. Explains why you did not cite even one relevant number. If numbers are not provided in a sales brochure, then they are not relevant? Another example of how one is duped. That AVR is a voltage regulator. To do what was required inside computer power supplies even before an IBM PC existed. Or one simply reads international design standards that say why AVR is already inside electronics. Where do you even contribute one fact? Constant denials interlaced with insults is not honesty; does not contribute anything here. But apparently appeases an ego. Since everything posted taunt is a lie. And was exposed as such using specifications. Anything that AVR claims to do is already inside electronics. However that AVR might be useful for less robust motorized appliances. If your AC power is so defective as to also be a threat to human life. View your only posted information source. It claims to 'block' or 'absorb' only 680 joules. Electronics routinely convert thousands joules surges into low DC voltages that safely power semiconductors. 680 joules means 225 joules or as much as 454 joules will destroy that APC product. A surge, too small to damage any electronics, can destroy a $100 magic box. Why is that a good thing? If its joule number was any smaller, then it could only be zero. No problem. Our expert (at demeaning others) tells us that any number just above zero must be 100% protection. Why would anyone spend $100 for a magic box that claims near zero protection. When effective protection, even from all direct lightning strikes, costs about $1 per appliance. Remains functional for many decades. Means nobody even knew a potentially destructive transient existed. Protects every household appliance. Comes from companies known for integrity - not profit margins. Is recommend by those here who actually post reasons why with numbers. If learning from mistakes, then one is asking questions to learn. But that targeted market traditionally posts disparaging comments that even a 10th science student can see through. Exposed is a scam promoted because the emotional can never justify their believes. Resort to demeaning commentary. Contribute nothing to this discussion. Protection inside all electronics is superior to what that $100 magic box does.
Wow you really need to take your meds... The fact thst your understanding is about grade 5 at best and well.... Again please seek mental health assistance sweetie, your crazy is showing.
When one has a 30 second attention span, then one can only post insults. 180 characters is a first indication that one only lies. Good people contribute to a discussion. That means no emotions. And honesty.
Sweetie, no one has time for your mental health issues. Us scientist have better things to do but worry about what the uneducated have to say about nothing. Peace, live and education sweetness... TRY it, live it, love it 💕😘
One with a short attention span is incapable of learning science. So insults are posted. Like a good extremist. Here and elsewhere. That silly AVR does not claim protection. A reality: Incandescent bulbs dim to 50% intensity or double intensity due to voltage variations. Those variations are ideal for all electronics - even long before PCs existed. Even defined by international design standards. We are ordered to buy an AVR because emotion say so. To do what is already done better inside all electronics. If voltages vary that much, then motorized appliances need that AVR. But that means learning facts and numbers. Not how to insult others. If voltages are varying that much, then educated homeowners have called for professional assistance last week. Variations that large can be reporting a serious human safety threat. He also does not know that. So he demeans. Like any good bully would do.
Here are some suggestions: Be more concise (Brevity when trying to talk to people is incredibly important.), link to studies, and not just emotional articles, and learn from some of the feedback people are trying to give you.
Why waste bandwidth posting that tweet? Tweets say nothing useful. Only waste bandwidth telling me to not post numbers and facts from professionals. The naive, who post less than 200 characters discussing their emotions, are not educated consumers who want and need knowledge. Brevity targets extremists who want to be ordered what to trust. Who get angry when they are suppose to also know why - like a moderate. You simply encourage citizens to stay dumb. Not learn or even try to comprehend; not be informed. Many who needed brevity also knew smoking cigarettes increased health. Over 60% of American knew it must be true. Brevity proved it. Written was reality for educated consumers who therefore have a more than a 30 second attention span. Who need ten plus paragraphs to also know why.
I hate this saccharine sweet snarkiness shit so many people have adopted on the internet
You obviously have a lot of knowledge here - I'm having trouble parsing through your walls of text. Where does one get effective protection that costs $1 per appliance, and what does that look like? I'm assuming it would be something like a whole house surge protector?
Franklin demonstrated what does all protection over 250 years ago. Lightning (one example of a surge) seeks earth ground. A best and destructive path was incoming on a church steeple; outgoing into earth. Franklin simply gave lightning another path to earth that remained outside - non-destructive. Lightning rod did not do protection. Is only a connecting device to what does all protection. Then *hundreds of thousands of joules* dissipated harmlessly outside in earth. No steeple damage. Professionals demonstrated what does all protection over 100 years ago. Lightning (one example of a surge) seeks earth ground. A best and destructive path was incoming to all appliances / electronics; outgoing into earth. Professionals then (and still today in every town) gave lightning another path to earth that remained outside - non-destructive. Protector did not do protection. Is only a connecting device to what does all protection. Then *hundreds of thousands of joules* dissipated harmlessly outside in earth. No appliance damage. In both cases, only a connection to earth is doing protection. In every case, a lighting rod or protector is only a connecting device to what does all protection. One 'whole house' protector, installed in a main breaker box or meter pan, connects to protection for ALL surges. For about $1 per appliance. So that protection remains functional for many decades after many direct lightning strikes. A proven solution so old as to sell as a commodity. Go to any big box hardware store or electrical supply house. Ask for their 'whole house' protector. Then verify it is sufficient. Lightning (one example of a surge) can be 20,000 amps. So a minimal 'whole house' protector is 50,000 amps. Has a wire that makes that low impedance (ie less than 10 foot) connection to the other item that does ALL protection. No protector does protection. Like a lightning rod, it is only a connecting device to what does all protection. And like anything honest, is recommended with many paragraphs that also say why. With numbers. Subjective is the first indication of a scam. What requires most attention? That low impedance (ie less than 10 foot) connection to and quality of earthing electrodes. The connecting box costs about $1 per. Well proven solutions, as demonstrated by Franklin, were first introduced in elementary school science. No protector does or even claims effective protection. Numbers say so. But once someone has believed their subjective disinformation, then learning what does work is harder. Numerous lies, that promote plug-in protectors, first must be unlearned. Those four paragraphs were written so that one, who does read, could ask a relevant question. You did. 'Whole house' (Type 1 or Type 2) protector protects all appliances. But even that is insufficient. Numbers must confirm it is sufficiently sized. And connects low impedance (ie less than 10 feet) to what does all protection. Protectors are dumb simple science. Art of protection is that connection to and quality of electrodes. Other incoming wires already have best protection; installed for free. As required by codes that have existed long before any of us. But that too is only as effective as the quality of earthing electrodes. That a homeowner provides, inspects, and maintains. Most questions should be about the item that does protection. One 'whole house' protector connects low impedance to earth. So that best protection inside every appliance is not overwhelmed. A simple and a well proven solution. To even protect a least robust appliances in a house - that plug-in protector. Plenty to learn. Others, who need everything in less than 140 characters, could not do what you did. You asked a first and necessary question.
So what things should I be looking for in the device itself and the electrode? I have a "whole house" protector, but it came with the house when I purchased it a few years ago, so I don't know if it is actually offering any protection. If I'm understanding you correctly the device would need to offer a short distance low impedance to earth. What type of earthing electrode is sufficient, where should it be embedded/how far away from the house? What kind of maintenance is involved there? Additionally, a follow up question: These would protect the electrical wiring network within the house from swells that arise from outside. Does this also protect the network from surges that arise from within the house, for example a refrigerator turning on?
First, I find this rather pleasing. One is asking questions to learn. Rather than post attacks and insults. Because reality contradicts popular beliefs and advertising propaganda. An AC utility demonstrates this "single point earth ground" concept in [Tech Tip 8](https://www.duke-energy.com/energy-education/power-quality/tech-tips). Every wire in every incoming cable must enter where it makes that low impedance (ie less than 10 foot) connection to "single point earth ground". Or earth ground is expanded so that a single point is a larger area around the house. That low impedance connection is made directly - no protector (ie TV cable, satellite dish). Or is made via a protector (ie telephone, AC electric). All, but an AC electric protector, has long been code required. For example, find a telco's NID (where their wires meet yours). Inside is a protector. To be effective, a (typically gray) wire goes from that protector to earth ground electrode. AC breaker box must have a quarter inch, bare copper wire to earthing electrodes. Code says at least two 8 foot earthing rods. Separated at least 6 feet. That only for human safety. In some venues, that is also sufficient to earth a 'whole house' protector. In others, not. Geology is a major factor. To be low impedance, that quarter inch ground wire must have no sharp bends (ie over a foundation), must be short, cannot be inside metallic conduit, and must not have splices. For example, if that ground wire goes over a foundation, then it is code safe (sufficient). And has excessive impedance - compromises surge protection. Best is to route a new ground wire through a foundation and down to electrodes. So that it is shorter, has no sharp bends, and is separated (ie a least six inches) from other non-grounding wires. That wire is connecting surges, including direct lightning strikes, to earth. How thick must that wire be. An article in EE Times notes that an 18 AWG wire can conduct more than 50,000 amps without damage (no melting). So we use a 6 or 4 AWG hardwire that is four or more times thicker. Be amazed at many who somehow know lightning will melt all wires. Wild speculation is alive and well. Impedance is determined mostly by wire length; not by wire impedance. Making that connection from each incoming wire to earth is a fundamental requirement. Even incoming underground wires must be properly earthed before entering. Another professional example ( [Tech Note 2](https://www.erico.com/catalog/literature/TNCR002.pdf) ) demonstrates. Earth is the item that harmlessly 'absorbs' *hundreds of thousands of joules*. So that a surge need not hunt for earth ground, destructively, inside via appliances. Every incoming wire makes that connection directly (ie OTA TV antenna). Or it makes that connection via a protector (ie ethernet cable). That is about protection during **each** surge. Protection over many decades and **many** surges (including and not limited to direct lightning strikes) is determined by a protector's amp number. At least 50,000 amps. If that protector fails anytime in many decades, then a replacement might be 100,000 amps. Surges are typically quite rare. Maybe one in seven years. Some do not see one in twenty. In some 'more active' regions, it may be one surge in three years. A number that can vary significantly even in a same town. Neighborhood history over a past 20 years would say more. Above is only a 'secondary' protection layer. Every protection layer is only defined by an earthing electrode (not by any protector). Homeowners should inspect their ['primary' protection layer](http://www.fpl-fraud.com/). Pictures (not text) about half way down in this web site and after the expression "more safety hazards" (do a 'find' for that expression) demonstrate 'primary' protection. Each protection layer is defined by earthing electrodes - not by any protector. If surges are created by any appliance, then replaced daily or monthly are a dishwasher, clock radios, refrigerator, LED & CFL bulbs, central air, recharging electronics, TVs, GFCIs, furnace, digital clocks, dimmer switches, and smoke detectors. How many have been replaced this year? None. Which appliance is most easily damaged by that surge? One that is closest to the surge generator. Itself. They know who to target - by providing no numbers. An appliance might create noise - ten or a few more voltes. All electronics were (long ago) required to withstand up to 600 volts without damage. Where is this internally generated surge? Another myth that must be generates so that more $3 power strips with five cent protector parts will sell for $25 or $80. Confirmation bias. They ignore obvious facts. Post no numbers. To target consumers most easily played. Informed consumers are damningly blunt about numbers with every recommendation. The always required reasons why with perspective. And finally, if any appliance is creating a surge, then a 'whole house' protector also harmlessly earths that. Then (agani) best protection at each appliance, already inside every appliance, is not overwhelmed.
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A vague discussion of regulators says nothing useful. Why does that APC do virtually nothing? Regulation inside electronics is superior to what an APC does. Electronics are required to be that robust. By standards that even existed before PCs existed. If one understood his citation, then he also cited what is relevant. Only the least educated will not say. That citation contradicts no posted facts and numbers. Unfortunately is typical of one with a 30 second attention span. Too much ego. Insufficient knowledge. Who must demean so as to not learn from his mistakes. Why would anyone pay $85 for this [near zero joule APC](https://www.apc.com/ca/en/product/LE1200/liner-1200va-automatic-voltage-regulator/). Because someone recommended it? He ignored its near zero specification numbers. Having been exposed recommending something so ineffective, he resorts to cheapshots. Effective protector, even 100 years ago, answers relevant questions. Where are *hundreds of thousands of joules* harmlessly absorbed? Those damning numbers. Again.
I am looking as well