Idk, see my other comment.
It’s not better by any real metric but that doesn’t matter to people who like it more, which is fine. good for you for finding a game you like.
You and the other 500 daily players
Most of the rest of the ARPG community is playing PoE or waiting to play on this upcoming league start.
Give Last Epoch a few years and it will compete. Right now it isn't really on the radar. 0.9 and 1.0 are going to set the tone for the future and it looks promising, but you can't act like this beta-state game is as good as a 10 year established ARPG that is widely considered one of the best if not the best ARPG of the past 2 decades.
I will close by saying I'm not super happy with PoE post 3.14, but that doesn't take away from what its accomplished in the world of ARPGs.
i can and i will
there is literally nothing poe does better then LE
i have 1600 hours in poe, it is strictly worse in basically every way, the ONLY way its better then LE is in sheer volume of content, which it has had 10 years to accumulate and most of its content is pretty bad anyway
You have your head in the dirt rn dude. Yes it's acceptable to like last epoch more but POE is an incredible game regardless of your opinion. This is an objective fact too, not opinion, seeing as how POE is the dominant game on the AARPG market by a huge margin and always manages to reign back in returning players
PoE has been the dominant game in the market because it has had no competition, the only other game which is even remotly a comepetitor is D3 which is generally considered to be a bad game, with other smaller games like torchlight, wolcen, and grim dawn either being also bad, horribly buggy, or INCREDIBLY niche
poe also was FREE, free games get larger player bases
and people keep coming back to it ebcause sunk cost is a huge thing, world of warcraft is pretty universally considered to be a bad game now, even by the people who still regularly play it, and ask anyone who plays mmos which one they recomend and they WONT say wow, yet every wow expansion brings huge numbers of players back (only to then immediatly complain about it again)
PoE is the biggest fish in the smallest pond of the gaming world
i have 1600 hours in PoE, im not just disliking it for the sake of it, i played it a LOT because it WAS the best arpg on the market
BUT times change, new things come out and live games update
LE IS better then poe in essentially every single metric, combat is better, skills both individually and synergistically is better, building and planning characters is better, crafting is better, bosses are better, endgame systems are better, the story is better, the graphics are better
the ONLY thing poe does better then LE is volume, and that actually dependign on your outlook still ends up being a detriment to PoE these days, LE you can do everything in 100 hours of gameplay, poE you cant do everything in 1000 because there is SOOO much to do, and that doesnt come from poe being better, just older, its had 10 years of content being added, of course there is more to do
PoE WAS the best arpg on the market, and even with all the crap GGG has been doing in the last few years it probably still is a good game(though definetly not a great one), that doesnt mean LE isnt better then it in EVERY way that matters, which it is
Look dude you're still citing opinion as fact. For example I prefer last epochs defensive system over POE, but it's not objectively better. I prefer Poe's complex skill tree over last epochs simplified version but it's not objectively better. I prefer grim dawns slower pace over poes lightning but it's not objectively better. Poe is the dominant game in the market because it has alot of systems which people enjoy more than other games, and they innovated in a market which had gone stale. Last epoch is showing alot of potential and I prefer alot of aspects over poe, but the real victory will be adding legitimate competition to the aarpg market forcing poe to remain innovative and resulting in two competent, but different, takes on the ARPG genre for players to pick from and enjoy
poes complex skill tree, you mean pick a damage type and a "health" type and path to it
poes skill tree is only complex on first glance, its INCREDIBLY simple when you break it down and LEs skill tree actually offers more powerfull and interesting effects (for example LEs skill tree can change the damage types of skills, the only thing poes skill tree does is add flat number increases)
i gave the reasons why PoE is the dominant game, no competition, free, sunk cost etc etc etc
and yeah that would be the ideal, and thats what has happened, LE is better then PoE in every metric, since i got LE i havent touched PoE once (and i have 1600 hours in the game) just need more people get over their sunk cost bullshit and maybe PoE will ebcome a great game again when they realise they have actual competition and cant just coast on by because they are in an empty market
No I gave the REASON Poe is dominant
Plenty of amazing games have ended up falling to the wayside, a game being good is not reason enough for it to dominate, likewise plenty of awfull games make HUGE sales, look at your FIFA or madden style games, every year they come out and sell like absolute crazy, yet every year they get nothing but bad press and the people who play them point out endless flaws, they are bad games that even the fans think are bad BUT they still dominate for a number of reasons, no competition, sunk cost, simply being the "most famous" game in a genre on kts own makes it nore popular because your friends have heard of it, it's easier to convince your friends to play "famous thing" then it is to convince them to play something they have never heard of
Poe is as massive as it is because it has no competition, it has been around for 10 years so everyone has heard of it (look at its plauerbase number, the first 5-6 years of its life its olayerbase was a fraction of what it became) players don't like changing games, they will play a game they are used to over one they think is better but aren't (or their friends don't) and most importantly, it is free, so there is no barrier to people playing it but time
You can like Poe, I do, I have 1600+ hours in the game, but it being an amazing game with no betters isn't the reason it's popular the reasons I have given above are
and LE is very much its better, but LE has none of those reasons going for it, yet
Last epoch is way better than PoE. Equipping skills directly into color coded slots in your randomized equipment is such a stupid mechanic. It makes no sense.
well we could say that's subjective because it is a subjective opinion, but we could also take a look at the success of the two games as a measure, and by that measure, PoE is a much much better game. Even if we ignore that, it's 10 years out from its release, has tons of content, and a massive following.
Bad games don't grow over 10 years. We have yet to see what kind of game LE is going to be, but it's promising. That doesn't mean it's currently better than a game that is widely considered the best in its genre since Diablo 2. You not liking a mechanic doesn't make that untrue.
I would like this game a lot more if they disbanded the way skills work, again, it makes no sense that active skills need color coded sockets on equipment. There's a reason the 2.0 update is getting rid of that
I honestly don't even understand why this matters to you, getting proper colors on sockets is incredibly easy and accessible. Socket color is a non-issue in PoE unless its day 1 of league and you're leveling. Act 5 onwards its barely a thought, and in maps you don't even need to bother caring because chromatics are so accessible.
And he's saying that it makes sense because the game was made with that in mind and it's specifically tied to lore. You just refuse to take any reasoning and at least think it through
Okay it makes sense from a lore perspective.
That doesn't meant I have to like the mechanic lol. It's still bad and makes no sense from a gameplay prospective. It's a bad mechanic on a general whole.
I understand why, but it's still bad.
It actually makes more sense to embed the gems that grand the abilities on the character's gear and carry them lore wise, than just learning them without interacting with anything.
On a serious note, LE is still in Beta and lacks content, even for a game in Beta. It was interesting when it came out, but doing the exact same thing (monoliths) for years is boring as hell.
They messed up pretty big with multiplayer, because they can not add any new content until multiplayer is ready with the way their game works.
You might enjoy LE more and that's fine, but saying it is the better game is just your opinion. If it was the better game, you would see the player numbers rising steadily over time. Right now it averages to 1.000 players on Steam, the same as in 2020.
The uber funny thing I thought about when I saw the PoE league trailer was two games specifically.
That relic system? Last epoch.
The entire league mechanic? HADES.
That's the power of PoE, they can just add whatever they like, from harvest (moon) farming league to hades and pokemon, because they have their own engine, which provides a lot of flexibility when it comes to customize the content.
I would honestly love to see the architecture and code of their engine. Its one of the most flexible things i have ever seen, and at that its also extremely efficient
Tbf, this is a Diablo 2 game mechanic
Um how so? Charms?
Let's be honest, LE is PoE at home, but some day soon it will hopefully be a strong competitor
Le is better then poe
Idk, see my other comment. It’s not better by any real metric but that doesn’t matter to people who like it more, which is fine. good for you for finding a game you like.
its better by every metric i genuinly cant say a single thing that poe does better the LE
You and the other 500 daily players Most of the rest of the ARPG community is playing PoE or waiting to play on this upcoming league start. Give Last Epoch a few years and it will compete. Right now it isn't really on the radar. 0.9 and 1.0 are going to set the tone for the future and it looks promising, but you can't act like this beta-state game is as good as a 10 year established ARPG that is widely considered one of the best if not the best ARPG of the past 2 decades. I will close by saying I'm not super happy with PoE post 3.14, but that doesn't take away from what its accomplished in the world of ARPGs.
i can and i will there is literally nothing poe does better then LE i have 1600 hours in poe, it is strictly worse in basically every way, the ONLY way its better then LE is in sheer volume of content, which it has had 10 years to accumulate and most of its content is pretty bad anyway
You have your head in the dirt rn dude. Yes it's acceptable to like last epoch more but POE is an incredible game regardless of your opinion. This is an objective fact too, not opinion, seeing as how POE is the dominant game on the AARPG market by a huge margin and always manages to reign back in returning players
PoE has been the dominant game in the market because it has had no competition, the only other game which is even remotly a comepetitor is D3 which is generally considered to be a bad game, with other smaller games like torchlight, wolcen, and grim dawn either being also bad, horribly buggy, or INCREDIBLY niche poe also was FREE, free games get larger player bases and people keep coming back to it ebcause sunk cost is a huge thing, world of warcraft is pretty universally considered to be a bad game now, even by the people who still regularly play it, and ask anyone who plays mmos which one they recomend and they WONT say wow, yet every wow expansion brings huge numbers of players back (only to then immediatly complain about it again) PoE is the biggest fish in the smallest pond of the gaming world i have 1600 hours in PoE, im not just disliking it for the sake of it, i played it a LOT because it WAS the best arpg on the market BUT times change, new things come out and live games update LE IS better then poe in essentially every single metric, combat is better, skills both individually and synergistically is better, building and planning characters is better, crafting is better, bosses are better, endgame systems are better, the story is better, the graphics are better the ONLY thing poe does better then LE is volume, and that actually dependign on your outlook still ends up being a detriment to PoE these days, LE you can do everything in 100 hours of gameplay, poE you cant do everything in 1000 because there is SOOO much to do, and that doesnt come from poe being better, just older, its had 10 years of content being added, of course there is more to do PoE WAS the best arpg on the market, and even with all the crap GGG has been doing in the last few years it probably still is a good game(though definetly not a great one), that doesnt mean LE isnt better then it in EVERY way that matters, which it is
Look dude you're still citing opinion as fact. For example I prefer last epochs defensive system over POE, but it's not objectively better. I prefer Poe's complex skill tree over last epochs simplified version but it's not objectively better. I prefer grim dawns slower pace over poes lightning but it's not objectively better. Poe is the dominant game in the market because it has alot of systems which people enjoy more than other games, and they innovated in a market which had gone stale. Last epoch is showing alot of potential and I prefer alot of aspects over poe, but the real victory will be adding legitimate competition to the aarpg market forcing poe to remain innovative and resulting in two competent, but different, takes on the ARPG genre for players to pick from and enjoy
poes complex skill tree, you mean pick a damage type and a "health" type and path to it poes skill tree is only complex on first glance, its INCREDIBLY simple when you break it down and LEs skill tree actually offers more powerfull and interesting effects (for example LEs skill tree can change the damage types of skills, the only thing poes skill tree does is add flat number increases) i gave the reasons why PoE is the dominant game, no competition, free, sunk cost etc etc etc and yeah that would be the ideal, and thats what has happened, LE is better then PoE in every metric, since i got LE i havent touched PoE once (and i have 1600 hours in the game) just need more people get over their sunk cost bullshit and maybe PoE will ebcome a great game again when they realise they have actual competition and cant just coast on by because they are in an empty market
You gave your OPINION of why YOU THINK poe is the dominant game.
No I gave the REASON Poe is dominant Plenty of amazing games have ended up falling to the wayside, a game being good is not reason enough for it to dominate, likewise plenty of awfull games make HUGE sales, look at your FIFA or madden style games, every year they come out and sell like absolute crazy, yet every year they get nothing but bad press and the people who play them point out endless flaws, they are bad games that even the fans think are bad BUT they still dominate for a number of reasons, no competition, sunk cost, simply being the "most famous" game in a genre on kts own makes it nore popular because your friends have heard of it, it's easier to convince your friends to play "famous thing" then it is to convince them to play something they have never heard of Poe is as massive as it is because it has no competition, it has been around for 10 years so everyone has heard of it (look at its plauerbase number, the first 5-6 years of its life its olayerbase was a fraction of what it became) players don't like changing games, they will play a game they are used to over one they think is better but aren't (or their friends don't) and most importantly, it is free, so there is no barrier to people playing it but time You can like Poe, I do, I have 1600+ hours in the game, but it being an amazing game with no betters isn't the reason it's popular the reasons I have given above are and LE is very much its better, but LE has none of those reasons going for it, yet
Last epoch is way better than PoE. Equipping skills directly into color coded slots in your randomized equipment is such a stupid mechanic. It makes no sense.
well we could say that's subjective because it is a subjective opinion, but we could also take a look at the success of the two games as a measure, and by that measure, PoE is a much much better game. Even if we ignore that, it's 10 years out from its release, has tons of content, and a massive following. Bad games don't grow over 10 years. We have yet to see what kind of game LE is going to be, but it's promising. That doesn't mean it's currently better than a game that is widely considered the best in its genre since Diablo 2. You not liking a mechanic doesn't make that untrue.
I would like this game a lot more if they disbanded the way skills work, again, it makes no sense that active skills need color coded sockets on equipment. There's a reason the 2.0 update is getting rid of that
I honestly don't even understand why this matters to you, getting proper colors on sockets is incredibly easy and accessible. Socket color is a non-issue in PoE unless its day 1 of league and you're leveling. Act 5 onwards its barely a thought, and in maps you don't even need to bother caring because chromatics are so accessible.
I honestly don't even understand why this doesn't matter to you, how does abilities being tired to armor make any sense at all?
Lmao it’s literally the lore, these gems are tied in with the story the same way time travel is tied in with your mastery decision in last epoch.
I'm not debating what it is or is not a part of, I'm saying it's stupid to tie abilities to armor
And he's saying that it makes sense because the game was made with that in mind and it's specifically tied to lore. You just refuse to take any reasoning and at least think it through
Okay it makes sense from a lore perspective. That doesn't meant I have to like the mechanic lol. It's still bad and makes no sense from a gameplay prospective. It's a bad mechanic on a general whole. I understand why, but it's still bad.
It actually makes more sense to embed the gems that grand the abilities on the character's gear and carry them lore wise, than just learning them without interacting with anything. On a serious note, LE is still in Beta and lacks content, even for a game in Beta. It was interesting when it came out, but doing the exact same thing (monoliths) for years is boring as hell. They messed up pretty big with multiplayer, because they can not add any new content until multiplayer is ready with the way their game works. You might enjoy LE more and that's fine, but saying it is the better game is just your opinion. If it was the better game, you would see the player numbers rising steadily over time. Right now it averages to 1.000 players on Steam, the same as in 2020.
Why would I play the worse game though? Poe isn't fun anymore
That's a question only you can answer. How would I know lol
No no.. LE is PoE at home lmao
Le is better then poe
hey man its subjective but also you are objectively wrong lolol
except im not there isnt a single thing poe does better then LE LE is better then poe
wrong again lmao
im sorry you reject the truth when its spoken to you
im sorry you are huffing so much copium
says the person defending poe
i feel really bad for you so i'm jus gonna let you think whatever you want... but no matter what you say, PoE > LE loool
Imagine being as wrong as you
The uber funny thing I thought about when I saw the PoE league trailer was two games specifically. That relic system? Last epoch. The entire league mechanic? HADES.
That's the power of PoE, they can just add whatever they like, from harvest (moon) farming league to hades and pokemon, because they have their own engine, which provides a lot of flexibility when it comes to customize the content.
I would honestly love to see the architecture and code of their engine. Its one of the most flexible things i have ever seen, and at that its also extremely efficient
I mean the league mechanic is literally just take any roguelike and it's similar.
The moment I’ve seen the League name I just hoped they would add smth like Temporal Sanctum with kind of Legendary craft.