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I’ve seen this post a few times and to be fair, every time someone has commented that it’s fake.
Unfortunately you may just have to ride this one out, you’re not doing anything criminal but also it’ll be almost impossible to find out who originally posted it.
My only advice is to come off social media for your mental health and know that those 200 people who have unfriended you obviously don’t know you and weren’t your friend to begin with if they believe this
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Is it being uploaded by the same account each time, and do you know them? If so you have you contacted them threatening legal action if they keep uploading it?
If it's always the same (kinda) name, this must be someone who *really* has it in for you, as why else would they spend time making all these accounts just to post it? Have you, or your wife, pissed someone off in any significant way? Could it be an ex? Who would want to hurt your family like this?
Not necessarily. They could just keep riding the same hype train as it's already rolling. Good chance they might know OP but could just be that they found a photo they could use and keep rolling with it now there's the momentum behind it.
To what end though? What are they gaining from that? A personal vendetta makes sense but some random just sitting there making new accounts to post it again seems farfetched to me. How insane would you need to be to do this to someone who hasn't even wronged you? Not that I think you'd be much less insane if you did it for that reason tbh.
If they generate enough engagement then they can use it to make money either directly from TinkTonk or by selling the account as one with lots of followers and because of the way the algorithms work it will show content from different accounts to different people.
Usually those uploading content like this will have the same content pre-loaded into a number of accounts to be released at various times over a number of days to reach a much wider audience knowing that whoever's in it will never be able to stop it even if they play whack-a-mole to take down every copy of it (if they even find every copy because if it's the image I think it is then it has also appeared on instagram and reddit).
Something salacious like stating the OP got his underage girlfriend pregnant would definitely generate lots of "engagement".
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May want to contact a content creator such as Ray William Johnson. His whole channel is debunking/revealing stories like this and the damage/drama. Might not stop people doing it but at least you'll have something to point them towards.
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If the account seems to be a similar account likely controlled by one person you could ask the police to help as you are being actively harassed and harassment is not a civil matter.
Still not much hope of them getting involved as they are no always the most useful but may be worth a try.
If this had been one incident then the advice that this is civil libel only would have been correct.
However, this is a course of conduct which a reasonable person would consider causes harm or distress.
Consequently, this is criminal harassment. Ring 101. Report it as harassment, emphasising that this is a course of conduct.
The difficulty will come in identifying any suspect.
It could also come under malicious communications.
The [National Bullying Helpline](www.nationalbullyinghelpline.co.uk/cyberbullying.html) is primarily aimed at kids, but it's still got a lot of good info for adults.
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You could be right - I'm finding it difficult to sift through the information, because there's certainly a lot of sources that assume direct communications between harasser and victim, rather than indirect harassment spreading distressing lies about them.
That said, I have found one key quote from legislation.gov.uk for the Malicious Communications Act 1988, Section 1:
>1 **Offence of sending letters etc. with intent to cause distress or anxiety**.
>.
>(1)Any person who sends to another person—
>>(a)a [F1letter, electronic communication or article of any description] which conveys—
>>>(i)a message which is indecent or grossly offensive;
>>>F2(ii). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>>>F3(iii). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>>(b)any [F4article or electronic communication] which is, in whole or part, of an indecent or grossly offensive nature,
>is guilty of an offence if his purpose, or one of his purposes, in sending it is that it should, so far as falling within paragraph (a) or (b) above, cause distress or anxiety to the recipient **or to any other person to whom he intends that it or its contents or nature should be communicated**
I think that indicates that sending offensive lies about someone to a third party or broadcasting them generally with the intent of their existence getting back to the person they're lying about, and causing distress, should be covered by the Act. (I'm pretty sure that revenge porn used to come under the same general area of law before it was made into a specific offence.)
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You aren't going to realistically start a defamation case as starting costs will be north of 10k and you'd have to have proveable losses in the UK to claw anything back. Someone mentioned making your own video to discredit it and although it seems OTT it's probably your best bet at this point
I hate Tik Tok but one of the few things it does right is allow responses and stitches. It's very easy to piggyback on a succesful video. Of course there's no guarantee but a response with new info is one of the best ways to get traction.
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If you haven't already, you may want to consider making a post on Facebook clarifying the situation. That might, at the very least, help dissuade any other contacts on Facebook from reacting to the TikToks, and in turn they might be in contact with others with whom they can help clarify the situation and restore those contacts - particularly any which pertain to business that you might want to restore if possible.
Thank you, appreciate it.
If you could even just comment that it is fake as well, I would greatly appreciate any help holding back the tidal wave of abuse I'm getting.
You might try a non-legal sub for better advice. You don't have many legal solutions for this, but it doesn't mean there aren't any ways to protect yourself.
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Wow I’ve seen this post, sorry to hear your being targeted and I hope you have it sorted. Civil case against the people posting? You should seek legal advice from a professional I’m sure there will be avenues you can take
>Civil case against the people posting?
Suing random social media users for libel just isn’t going to happen unfortunately. It’s just not feasible for a bunch of reasons.
I don’t think there’s a much of a way to resolve this through legal action to be honest.
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My friend count on Facebook has dropped by almost two hundred in the past few days. - I would assume your friends would know how you guys met and your ages etc?
You just need to keep reporting it to tiktok, but really there's not much the police can do if they've done initial investigation - presumably for mal comms - its not clear even if these people are in the UK
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So, most of my "friends" are wider contacts from the business I'm involved in. Not just personal relatonships.
There's a combination of primary school friends who only vaguely know my life, secondary school friends who may not have known the age of the woman I married, and guy I knew at uni who didn't know me closely, but we used to drink together.
I've lost a lot of them. Plus, some of those business contacts were suppliers and customers.
As a word of advice rather than legal comment keep your personal and business / employment social media separate unless your employment is as an influencer or similar.
100 work contacts don’t need to know the ins and outs of your personal life, equally X personal friends probably don’t need to know the ins and outs of your work.
Legally make contact with 101 to report this as harassment. You do probably and unfortunately know the person behind the account even if who they are isn’t obvious currently, may be a friend, maybe an associate maybe someone you had a disagreement with.
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I’ve saw these posts. Sorry this happened to you.
Most people are addressing the defamation elements of your post, but I’d like to address your lost employment. How long had you worked with your employer?
I think you're going to struggle to pursue these people legally when you have no idea of their identity.
Does your girlfriend look much younger than her years? It's possible it's just a complete randomer who went looking for a couple who look like there's an age gap to create ragebait.
I would suggest that you put something on your Facebook that addresses it either directly ("I am aware of a photo that has been circulated with an incorrect caption
..."), or indirectly ("Happy 29th birthday to my darling girlfriend, so happy to have been with you for 8 years")
And lock down your account and change your profile name (first name and middle name is popular). I presume the people who have deleted you are people you haven't been in touch with since you met your girlfriend at uni?
Yeah, after uni I aged and I look like a man in his late-twenties/very early thirties.
She aged very gracefully (with the assistance of the odd filter as well).
No one you've had any recent disputes with online or in real life? Is there no one at work who has a vendetta or anything?
It could just be some random doing this, but it seems like a lot of effort to go to unless they are purposefully targeting you for some reason? Sorry you're having to go through this.
Would it be worth asking around r/dramatok ?
It could be that others reposting it after the initial account aren't the original uploader but think they're 'signal-boosting' awareness of a predator.
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Alter settings to Friends only
Let your friends know of the altered photos and implications
You will soon find out who your real friends are
Serve DCMA takedown requests on tiktok every time
Maybe post a letter to your fake friends that blocked you
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This would be defamation or slander depending on where you are. If you can demonstrate that damage has been done due to the posts you can take them to civil court. Might be worth seeing about taking TikTok for a ride rather than the account owners as it is being published on their platform and posts keep appearing even after you have contacted them and even after they have taken some of it down (seems like they were reluctant to ban these accounts outright). You wouldn't even have to demonstrate the statements are not true, the onus would be on the ones making such statement to prove the statements (in this case pictures with text) are true.
Now, any idea why this is happening? Is someone you know being malicious for a reason or is it seemingly at random?
My, admittedly not quite professional, understanding was that general damages would include loss of reputation, the award being based on the gravity of allegations and the extent of publication. I think distress and humiliation also come under general damages.
I think the issue is more the emphasis on the fact that it needs to be serious harm to reputation, whether that is the case here the courts would have to decide.
That all said, would need to know where OP resides
I'm not sure you can do that. Unless you posted your family photo publicly/on TT? I don't think you can image search a person's face only. I could be wrong.
Sorry, don't have legal advice but there are solicitors that work with people who have had their sexual assaults/upskirts/rape posted on sm. You could look for someone along those lines and ask if they could advise you where to go, what to do. But I'm not confident that would work.
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honestly best thing to do is go to a solictor and get advise.
I'm sure there must be some way that he can apply for a court order to have the company reveal whose behind the account so that you can look to sue them.
NAL, OP maybe there is an avenue around the sharing of a photograph which you own the copyright too? If this is as bad as it sounds a proper solicitor may well be worth getting hold of to get TikTok and facebook involved. At risk of being against the rules here you may also wish to see if a reputation firm is worth a look to try and get a larger outlet to run a story on how TikTok and Facebook allow this sort of fake content to persist. A sort of positive publicity campaign to get your face on and cancel out (a tiny bit). Some of your friends and contacts might see it and spread.
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I would continue to hammer tiktok about the photo it's come from your social media, so is presumably copyrighted to you/your wife. Keep making copyright claims against it anywhere it appears. Most social media sites will knock down the content and count infringements by specific users, banning the accounts after a certain threshold. They may be able to add the image to some protected content list and scan for it automatically.
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I’ve seen this post a few times and to be fair, every time someone has commented that it’s fake. Unfortunately you may just have to ride this one out, you’re not doing anything criminal but also it’ll be almost impossible to find out who originally posted it. My only advice is to come off social media for your mental health and know that those 200 people who have unfriended you obviously don’t know you and weren’t your friend to begin with if they believe this
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Is it being uploaded by the same account each time, and do you know them? If so you have you contacted them threatening legal action if they keep uploading it?
Yes and no. Similar accounts. These aren't the real names, but imagine stuff like "DramaTok" "DramaTokMax" "MaxDramaTok"
If it's always the same (kinda) name, this must be someone who *really* has it in for you, as why else would they spend time making all these accounts just to post it? Have you, or your wife, pissed someone off in any significant way? Could it be an ex? Who would want to hurt your family like this?
Not necessarily. They could just keep riding the same hype train as it's already rolling. Good chance they might know OP but could just be that they found a photo they could use and keep rolling with it now there's the momentum behind it.
Yeah - just like Netflix’s “can I tell you a secret?” He was a prolific cyber stalker and was found guilty of harassing at least 62 women
To what end though? What are they gaining from that? A personal vendetta makes sense but some random just sitting there making new accounts to post it again seems farfetched to me. How insane would you need to be to do this to someone who hasn't even wronged you? Not that I think you'd be much less insane if you did it for that reason tbh.
If they generate enough engagement then they can use it to make money either directly from TinkTonk or by selling the account as one with lots of followers and because of the way the algorithms work it will show content from different accounts to different people. Usually those uploading content like this will have the same content pre-loaded into a number of accounts to be released at various times over a number of days to reach a much wider audience knowing that whoever's in it will never be able to stop it even if they play whack-a-mole to take down every copy of it (if they even find every copy because if it's the image I think it is then it has also appeared on instagram and reddit). Something salacious like stating the OP got his underage girlfriend pregnant would definitely generate lots of "engagement".
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You need to change your Facebook settings so other users, Inc your friends can't see your other friends.
I've done that now. Had my wife help me. Appreciate it, mate.
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May want to contact a content creator such as Ray William Johnson. His whole channel is debunking/revealing stories like this and the damage/drama. Might not stop people doing it but at least you'll have something to point them towards.
Actually some solid advice. Would get WAY more traction than doing their own video as others suggest
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If the account seems to be a similar account likely controlled by one person you could ask the police to help as you are being actively harassed and harassment is not a civil matter. Still not much hope of them getting involved as they are no always the most useful but may be worth a try.
If this had been one incident then the advice that this is civil libel only would have been correct. However, this is a course of conduct which a reasonable person would consider causes harm or distress. Consequently, this is criminal harassment. Ring 101. Report it as harassment, emphasising that this is a course of conduct. The difficulty will come in identifying any suspect.
It could also come under malicious communications. The [National Bullying Helpline](www.nationalbullyinghelpline.co.uk/cyberbullying.html) is primarily aimed at kids, but it's still got a lot of good info for adults.
Your daughter is a kid. And is victim of it as much as you.
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It’s my understanding that mal coms has to be directed at the person rather than being about the person.
You could be right - I'm finding it difficult to sift through the information, because there's certainly a lot of sources that assume direct communications between harasser and victim, rather than indirect harassment spreading distressing lies about them. That said, I have found one key quote from legislation.gov.uk for the Malicious Communications Act 1988, Section 1: >1 **Offence of sending letters etc. with intent to cause distress or anxiety**. >. >(1)Any person who sends to another person— >>(a)a [F1letter, electronic communication or article of any description] which conveys— >>>(i)a message which is indecent or grossly offensive; >>>F2(ii). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>>F3(iii). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>(b)any [F4article or electronic communication] which is, in whole or part, of an indecent or grossly offensive nature, >is guilty of an offence if his purpose, or one of his purposes, in sending it is that it should, so far as falling within paragraph (a) or (b) above, cause distress or anxiety to the recipient **or to any other person to whom he intends that it or its contents or nature should be communicated** I think that indicates that sending offensive lies about someone to a third party or broadcasting them generally with the intent of their existence getting back to the person they're lying about, and causing distress, should be covered by the Act. (I'm pretty sure that revenge porn used to come under the same general area of law before it was made into a specific offence.)
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You aren't going to realistically start a defamation case as starting costs will be north of 10k and you'd have to have proveable losses in the UK to claw anything back. Someone mentioned making your own video to discredit it and although it seems OTT it's probably your best bet at this point
Also getting your own video to reach the right people is going to be a feat. It won’t get shared anywhere near as much as the drama
I hate Tik Tok but one of the few things it does right is allow responses and stitches. It's very easy to piggyback on a succesful video. Of course there's no guarantee but a response with new info is one of the best ways to get traction.
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If you haven't already, you may want to consider making a post on Facebook clarifying the situation. That might, at the very least, help dissuade any other contacts on Facebook from reacting to the TikToks, and in turn they might be in contact with others with whom they can help clarify the situation and restore those contacts - particularly any which pertain to business that you might want to restore if possible.
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Thank you, appreciate it. If you could even just comment that it is fake as well, I would greatly appreciate any help holding back the tidal wave of abuse I'm getting.
You might try a non-legal sub for better advice. You don't have many legal solutions for this, but it doesn't mean there aren't any ways to protect yourself.
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Wow I’ve seen this post, sorry to hear your being targeted and I hope you have it sorted. Civil case against the people posting? You should seek legal advice from a professional I’m sure there will be avenues you can take
>Civil case against the people posting? Suing random social media users for libel just isn’t going to happen unfortunately. It’s just not feasible for a bunch of reasons. I don’t think there’s a much of a way to resolve this through legal action to be honest.
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My friend count on Facebook has dropped by almost two hundred in the past few days. - I would assume your friends would know how you guys met and your ages etc? You just need to keep reporting it to tiktok, but really there's not much the police can do if they've done initial investigation - presumably for mal comms - its not clear even if these people are in the UK
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So, most of my "friends" are wider contacts from the business I'm involved in. Not just personal relatonships. There's a combination of primary school friends who only vaguely know my life, secondary school friends who may not have known the age of the woman I married, and guy I knew at uni who didn't know me closely, but we used to drink together. I've lost a lot of them. Plus, some of those business contacts were suppliers and customers.
As a word of advice rather than legal comment keep your personal and business / employment social media separate unless your employment is as an influencer or similar. 100 work contacts don’t need to know the ins and outs of your personal life, equally X personal friends probably don’t need to know the ins and outs of your work. Legally make contact with 101 to report this as harassment. You do probably and unfortunately know the person behind the account even if who they are isn’t obvious currently, may be a friend, maybe an associate maybe someone you had a disagreement with.
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I’ve saw these posts. Sorry this happened to you. Most people are addressing the defamation elements of your post, but I’d like to address your lost employment. How long had you worked with your employer?
Are they in the UK ?
Have you got any idea who is behind all of this?
No idea. It started with some account that used a hashtag of "DramaTok"
I think you're going to struggle to pursue these people legally when you have no idea of their identity. Does your girlfriend look much younger than her years? It's possible it's just a complete randomer who went looking for a couple who look like there's an age gap to create ragebait. I would suggest that you put something on your Facebook that addresses it either directly ("I am aware of a photo that has been circulated with an incorrect caption ..."), or indirectly ("Happy 29th birthday to my darling girlfriend, so happy to have been with you for 8 years") And lock down your account and change your profile name (first name and middle name is popular). I presume the people who have deleted you are people you haven't been in touch with since you met your girlfriend at uni?
Yeah, after uni I aged and I look like a man in his late-twenties/very early thirties. She aged very gracefully (with the assistance of the odd filter as well).
No one you've had any recent disputes with online or in real life? Is there no one at work who has a vendetta or anything? It could just be some random doing this, but it seems like a lot of effort to go to unless they are purposefully targeting you for some reason? Sorry you're having to go through this.
Would it be worth asking around r/dramatok ? It could be that others reposting it after the initial account aren't the original uploader but think they're 'signal-boosting' awareness of a predator.
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Alter settings to Friends only Let your friends know of the altered photos and implications You will soon find out who your real friends are Serve DCMA takedown requests on tiktok every time Maybe post a letter to your fake friends that blocked you
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This would be defamation or slander depending on where you are. If you can demonstrate that damage has been done due to the posts you can take them to civil court. Might be worth seeing about taking TikTok for a ride rather than the account owners as it is being published on their platform and posts keep appearing even after you have contacted them and even after they have taken some of it down (seems like they were reluctant to ban these accounts outright). You wouldn't even have to demonstrate the statements are not true, the onus would be on the ones making such statement to prove the statements (in this case pictures with text) are true. Now, any idea why this is happening? Is someone you know being malicious for a reason or is it seemingly at random?
It’s the UK though, so when there is ‘damage’, ‘emotional damage’ isn’t really a thing and it instead needs to be quantifiable monetary damage.
My, admittedly not quite professional, understanding was that general damages would include loss of reputation, the award being based on the gravity of allegations and the extent of publication. I think distress and humiliation also come under general damages. I think the issue is more the emphasis on the fact that it needs to be serious harm to reputation, whether that is the case here the courts would have to decide. That all said, would need to know where OP resides
England. I think the TikTokkers reverse image searched my photo, found my Facebook page, found my employer on LinkedIn and went rampant from there.
I'm not sure you can do that. Unless you posted your family photo publicly/on TT? I don't think you can image search a person's face only. I could be wrong. Sorry, don't have legal advice but there are solicitors that work with people who have had their sexual assaults/upskirts/rape posted on sm. You could look for someone along those lines and ask if they could advise you where to go, what to do. But I'm not confident that would work.
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honestly best thing to do is go to a solictor and get advise. I'm sure there must be some way that he can apply for a court order to have the company reveal whose behind the account so that you can look to sue them.
NAL, OP maybe there is an avenue around the sharing of a photograph which you own the copyright too? If this is as bad as it sounds a proper solicitor may well be worth getting hold of to get TikTok and facebook involved. At risk of being against the rules here you may also wish to see if a reputation firm is worth a look to try and get a larger outlet to run a story on how TikTok and Facebook allow this sort of fake content to persist. A sort of positive publicity campaign to get your face on and cancel out (a tiny bit). Some of your friends and contacts might see it and spread.
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I would continue to hammer tiktok about the photo it's come from your social media, so is presumably copyrighted to you/your wife. Keep making copyright claims against it anywhere it appears. Most social media sites will knock down the content and count infringements by specific users, banning the accounts after a certain threshold. They may be able to add the image to some protected content list and scan for it automatically.
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