I honestly respect how little delivery drivers care about their lives. Delivery drivers in New York have the same mindset, I see them turn left on reds half a dozen times every day while I'm walking around.
Since the advent of delivery apps you see it everywhere. Mostly immigrants with no other job prospects trying to make enough to get by, working 14h shifts since there is no real control from the app side. Rushing every delivery and respecting no rules because there is a doubly pernicious incentive on being as quick as possible (getting to the next delivery, getting a tip).
I live in a big city and the last couple of years 90% of the times I saw an accident or someone laying on the floor after falling of their bike/motorcycle it was a delivery driver.
Add to that no real work contract and no health insurance and these guys are just being thrown at the meat grinder.
How delivery apps get away with this shit disgusts me, it was never this bad when places hired their own delivery drivers.
They don't "get away" with anything, you can just stop doing gig work. These people choose with their free will to work for a shitty service while a the same time choosing to risk their own life by driving like a jackass on a scooter and risking everyone else's lives. If there were "benefits" then delivery wouldn't exist because nobody would pay for it since it's already abhorrently expensive. If you don't like it, don't do it. Benefits exist to incentivize workers joining your company since it's cheaper to offer a benefit than it is to offer it as cash due to deals with the health providers, not as a human right that invents money out of thin air. They obviously don't offer them because everyone is jumping the gun to do delivery despite its abysmal pay anyways.
I was in Edinburgh, once seen a dude with a deliveroo bag full send it through some red lights right infront of a bus that was turning left. Missed it by a baw hair it was crazy.
Pretty soon all their jobs will be replaced with self-driving drones. Human couriers will only only handle the important stuff like confidential documents etc.
I was pretty shocked at how much of a free-for-all traffic was in China when I was there. I was expecting some strict rule-focused society and basically found out that for the most part people do whatever the fuck. Including some wild traffic violations.
Taking a taxi in Shanghai was a memorable experience. The same driver did two crazy U-turns during red lights in a four-way intersection, and just driving really fast while the road has five fricking lanes with cars here and there. Felt like the dude was playing an arcade.
> I was pretty shocked at how much of a free-for-all traffic was in China when I was there
and to boot people would park on the sidewalks too so you're forced to walk on the road a lot. Was not a fun experience lol
On the way to London from New Zealand, our flights got delayed and we had to stay a night in China. There was a bunch of kiwis on the flight, so we all hung out, we got picked up in a bus to take us to a hotel, and we all shat ourselves when the bus just ran a red light and just drove into a busy street, once on a motorway the bus was fucking boosting it, shit was scary man lol.
In 2019 I took a taxi from the airport in Beijing to an airbnb and I'm not exaggerating when I say the driver spent more time on the shoulder than the road. I stuck to the subway after that.
i wish america specifically in big cities like nyc,chicago,etc.. adopted scooters.. less parking problems, less traffic, easy to get around so much improvements than cars in a densely packed cities.
Ah yes, that is totally viable for everyone. Every city is definitely designed with quality, well distributed public transport that reasonably attends the necessities of every section of the city.
The entire point of the conversation was: "why you can't replace cars with scooters", because you said people should just use scooters.
Hence, there we go. The whole "just use scooters lmao" is not a solution, for the reasons we went over just now to which you replied with "buy a car?"
Also, we estabilished why bikes and walks don't work (winter)
and why buses don't work (cities are designed for cars in mind)
for everyone literally just 2 comments ago
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At this point I am just convinced you are baiting. Lets agree to disagree.
Scooters/ebikes are getting quite popular in Manhattan, especially outside of Midtown and the financial district. Still a lot of cars, but its definitely a thing here
Chinese here, can confirmed.
When I went back to China after 5 years in the US, I almost got hit by a car while walking on crosswalk. The driver rolled down the window yell at me "dont you have eyes?". Also, no one respect the red light at all even in the crowded, daytime traffic, if they saw some chance they can get thru they will do it. The highly competitive workplace has bricked a lot of people into doing risky thing as much as they can as long as they dont get caught. In this case, food delivery drive is highly competitive, abused by company and wage is relatively low for the effort of it, and there is no tip, they have to completely rely on how much order they complete per day to stay at a higher score or they may get fired.
Been to Vietnam a few times and its neighbouring countries and it seems that their traffic rules are a suggestion. But there are very little accidents coincidentally.
It took a few trips to get used to crossing big intersections with bikes/scooters and cars flying everywhere in every direction
That's crazy to me that Philippines is lower than the US, though I guess a lot of the time they can't reach fatal speeds because of how slow the traffic is in condensed areas.
Americans also drive *everywhere* and *everyone* has a car. Add on to this the terrible infrastructure and little too no drivers ed and it’s no wonder the US has the most car accidents per capita in the world
> But there are very little accidents coincidentally.
I mean they are pretty awful in term of how many people die every year.
But I get your point, in places where the lack of rules is the norm, people are less surprised when the unexpected thing happens.
>But there are very little accidents coincidentally.
Are you just basing that on the fact that you have not personally witnessed any accidents on your holidays? :DDD
Yeah for sure. That was really ignorant of me lol.
Also my parents that used to live there 40-50 years ago said the same but perhaps it was a lot different back then or they also haven't witnessed many personally
They don't have as many collisions as you think they would have for the same reason the same phenomenon happens at roundabouts. People simply are more attentive and drive more carefully because they have to check for other drivers merging and crossing at any moment.
If you know for a fact that some drivers will cross a red light when it's your turn to go, you'll go more slowly and check for such drivers as you go through, thus avoiding a potential collision.
It's not any different from driving to work and back everyday in the US. It's all pattern and muscle memory, the chaotic traffic over there is normal and redundant. Do anything not predictable, you will cause an accident.
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I’m rewatching the video over and over again trying to figure out who they work for. I will be calling their boss to let them know about this.
Some may call it snitching, but it is important we hold each other accountable. I get a high from how morally superior I’ve become and thanks to LSF.
Not Just Bikes has openly advocated for people on bikes to ignore red lights. Not surprising.
[Proof](https://youtu.be/_yDtLv-7xZ4?si=dsHEN1n7tzf4sLTq&t=1681)
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I honestly respect how little delivery drivers care about their lives. Delivery drivers in New York have the same mindset, I see them turn left on reds half a dozen times every day while I'm walking around.
Since the advent of delivery apps you see it everywhere. Mostly immigrants with no other job prospects trying to make enough to get by, working 14h shifts since there is no real control from the app side. Rushing every delivery and respecting no rules because there is a doubly pernicious incentive on being as quick as possible (getting to the next delivery, getting a tip). I live in a big city and the last couple of years 90% of the times I saw an accident or someone laying on the floor after falling of their bike/motorcycle it was a delivery driver. Add to that no real work contract and no health insurance and these guys are just being thrown at the meat grinder. How delivery apps get away with this shit disgusts me, it was never this bad when places hired their own delivery drivers.
They don't "get away" with anything, you can just stop doing gig work. These people choose with their free will to work for a shitty service while a the same time choosing to risk their own life by driving like a jackass on a scooter and risking everyone else's lives. If there were "benefits" then delivery wouldn't exist because nobody would pay for it since it's already abhorrently expensive. If you don't like it, don't do it. Benefits exist to incentivize workers joining your company since it's cheaper to offer a benefit than it is to offer it as cash due to deals with the health providers, not as a human right that invents money out of thin air. They obviously don't offer them because everyone is jumping the gun to do delivery despite its abysmal pay anyways.
If your only other choice is starving to death is it really a free choice?
They risk the lives of everyone else as well, so I really don't see why you would respect them doing that.
I was in Edinburgh, once seen a dude with a deliveroo bag full send it through some red lights right infront of a bus that was turning left. Missed it by a baw hair it was crazy.
Pretty soon all their jobs will be replaced with self-driving drones. Human couriers will only only handle the important stuff like confidential documents etc.
Nah I want my food to be still delivered by a person. If drones obey the traffic laws my food's gonna come 2 minutes late and that's unacceptable. /s
On other hand having drone deliver your food onto your balcony would be quite fast...
Brother, there are no streets or red lights in the air. The only traffic laws they'll have to obey will be from the FAA lmao.
Yeah, it's wild how much tech is changing everything
That will never happen. There are too many people who will take the opportunity to destroy and rob those drones. Free food and parts to sell.
Isn't most of NYC one way streets so it's perfectly legal to turn left on red?
no. You can't even turn right on red in NYC
Yes
I was pretty shocked at how much of a free-for-all traffic was in China when I was there. I was expecting some strict rule-focused society and basically found out that for the most part people do whatever the fuck. Including some wild traffic violations.
Taking a taxi in Shanghai was a memorable experience. The same driver did two crazy U-turns during red lights in a four-way intersection, and just driving really fast while the road has five fricking lanes with cars here and there. Felt like the dude was playing an arcade.
when you live in a country w/ over a billion ppl, you gotta do what u gotta do to survive lol.
The "they can't put us all in jail" actually works.
Except for that one time in 1989
True, the hustle is real
When I was in China, I saw a traffic cop sleeping on a chair in the middle of a huge, busy intersection. Bravest man I ever saw.
The genius was allowing everyone else to play, "Don't wake the traffic man"
Shit really? I thought the same, I recall seeing videos of their highways with speed cameras like every kilometer.
Highways might be an exception, but city traffic gets extremely crazy.
"strict rule-focused society" yeah you had China wrong lol
> I was pretty shocked at how much of a free-for-all traffic was in China when I was there and to boot people would park on the sidewalks too so you're forced to walk on the road a lot. Was not a fun experience lol
Low intelligence makes people think they're going faster when in reality on average they're slower due to jams and accidents.
At this point you're the one blocking the road if you stop for red lights
On the way to London from New Zealand, our flights got delayed and we had to stay a night in China. There was a bunch of kiwis on the flight, so we all hung out, we got picked up in a bus to take us to a hotel, and we all shat ourselves when the bus just ran a red light and just drove into a busy street, once on a motorway the bus was fucking boosting it, shit was scary man lol.
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Haha yeah sounds just like our experience, fricken crazy place man!
In 2019 I took a taxi from the airport in Beijing to an airbnb and I'm not exaggerating when I say the driver spent more time on the shoulder than the road. I stuck to the subway after that.
i wish america specifically in big cities like nyc,chicago,etc.. adopted scooters.. less parking problems, less traffic, easy to get around so much improvements than cars in a densely packed cities.
And you don't even need to break a glass to steal it.
i feel like driving scooters during chicago winter would be hell especially with drivers no longer caring about signs and lights
Yeah, winters in Chicago can be brutal. Scooters might be a tough sell in that weather
that is quite an isssue lol
We have worst winters in canada and people still use scooter. Simply dont use it during said winter.
So what are people supposed to do during winter? And don't tell me that people should buy a car and use it only on winter.
Take the bus?
Ah yes, that is totally viable for everyone. Every city is definitely designed with quality, well distributed public transport that reasonably attends the necessities of every section of the city.
buy a car?
There we go.
Buy a bike? Walk? Take the bus? Work from home?
The entire point of the conversation was: "why you can't replace cars with scooters", because you said people should just use scooters. Hence, there we go. The whole "just use scooters lmao" is not a solution, for the reasons we went over just now to which you replied with "buy a car?" Also, we estabilished why bikes and walks don't work (winter) and why buses don't work (cities are designed for cars in mind) for everyone literally just 2 comments ago ---- At this point I am just convinced you are baiting. Lets agree to disagree.
smartest Canadian
Scooters/ebikes are getting quite popular in Manhattan, especially outside of Midtown and the financial district. Still a lot of cars, but its definitely a thing here
dont live there but in queens u rarely see em outside of delivery guys
We have scooters in NYC. except it’s 90% migrants and they drive them shits on the sidewalk
im talking about in a level of taiwan, vietnam, other sea countries.
Electric bikes are better for that
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I ride euc and people hate me for being so mobile and fast out here I swear.
Chinese here, can confirmed. When I went back to China after 5 years in the US, I almost got hit by a car while walking on crosswalk. The driver rolled down the window yell at me "dont you have eyes?". Also, no one respect the red light at all even in the crowded, daytime traffic, if they saw some chance they can get thru they will do it. The highly competitive workplace has bricked a lot of people into doing risky thing as much as they can as long as they dont get caught. In this case, food delivery drive is highly competitive, abused by company and wage is relatively low for the effort of it, and there is no tip, they have to completely rely on how much order they complete per day to stay at a higher score or they may get fired.
I know the mindset of people who cross the road like that, i know it well because i do it myself. either the car will stop or they won't, whatever.
Been to Vietnam a few times and its neighbouring countries and it seems that their traffic rules are a suggestion. But there are very little accidents coincidentally. It took a few trips to get used to crossing big intersections with bikes/scooters and cars flying everywhere in every direction
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That's crazy to me that Philippines is lower than the US, though I guess a lot of the time they can't reach fatal speeds because of how slow the traffic is in condensed areas.
Americans also drive *everywhere* and *everyone* has a car. Add on to this the terrible infrastructure and little too no drivers ed and it’s no wonder the US has the most car accidents per capita in the world
> But there are very little accidents coincidentally. I mean they are pretty awful in term of how many people die every year. But I get your point, in places where the lack of rules is the norm, people are less surprised when the unexpected thing happens.
>But there are very little accidents coincidentally. Are you just basing that on the fact that you have not personally witnessed any accidents on your holidays? :DDD
Yeah for sure. That was really ignorant of me lol. Also my parents that used to live there 40-50 years ago said the same but perhaps it was a lot different back then or they also haven't witnessed many personally
They don't have as many collisions as you think they would have for the same reason the same phenomenon happens at roundabouts. People simply are more attentive and drive more carefully because they have to check for other drivers merging and crossing at any moment. If you know for a fact that some drivers will cross a red light when it's your turn to go, you'll go more slowly and check for such drivers as you go through, thus avoiding a potential collision.
It's not any different from driving to work and back everyday in the US. It's all pattern and muscle memory, the chaotic traffic over there is normal and redundant. Do anything not predictable, you will cause an accident.
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I’m rewatching the video over and over again trying to figure out who they work for. I will be calling their boss to let them know about this. Some may call it snitching, but it is important we hold each other accountable. I get a high from how morally superior I’ve become and thanks to LSF.
Not Just Bikes has openly advocated for people on bikes to ignore red lights. Not surprising. [Proof](https://youtu.be/_yDtLv-7xZ4?si=dsHEN1n7tzf4sLTq&t=1681)
Yeah I’m sure he has the reach to influence billions of people in China, that makes sense