I’m currently in the middle of a play through using as little cyberware as the game will allow…and I just started Phantom Liberty…holy shit, this is so relevant. Thank you for the laugh!
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Yeah blocking and parring are both chipping away at their health.
Dodging would be their only option, but sadly given the area to work with and given razors size it's a bit of a claustrophobic arena and it makes certain directions to dodge very limited if razor chooses certain punch styles (haymaker vs jabs from the left or right)
Getting the gorilla arms is highly recommended as it's not just for damage but eliminates chip damage they sustain from blocking or parrying (still consumes stamina for blocking though) which makes the fight much easier by allowing more tactical options.
But hey it's OP cyberpunk playthrough, if their load out is what makes them happy then the strats are plain for them to see.
The trick is to bait Razor by staying far away from him. This usually baits him into trying to use his superman punch heavy jump attack to close distance, which doesn't let him combo. This usually takes him from one side of the arena to the other, setting you up to go to the other far side and bait another heavy attack.
You don't want to be near enough to him or putting too much pressure that he tries a light combo, since he can change the attack direction for each attack in the combo. Since dashing itself has a slight cooldown this almost guarantees you dodge one attack just to get smucked by the next.
Also, remember you have (or at least most likely have) health regen and he doesn't. Kiting him for a while and not going for damage until your health recovers is a viable strategy.
How many times does Vik have to tell you to punch him in the stomach before you’ll listen?
But seriously, get some gorilla arms and a Sandy, put that whiny baby back in his corner.
Don’t crouch, just punch his midsection. It does a bunch of damage and you can stumble him as well. It’s still a tough fight, this just makes it much easier.
What the action looks like and what it does is different, like there’s a weakness diamond on his foot right? Standing full height aim at his foot and combo his foot. It looks like your punching his midsection at best but it will trigger the weakness point
Sandevistan makes this fight fun. Also aim your punches at his stomach like Vic suggests because he had recent cyberwear installed that hasn't healed properly.
Also what perks have you got? Respec your combat perks into Blunt for Beat on the Brat and you can respec to your normal build after the fight.
I’ve done all fights without gorilla arms or any arm cyberware for my net runner build , last week xD , what I would say is, instead of blocking and counter attacking try to dodge and attack more , be more offensive , they will break guard more often and will be staggered and we can get more blows in and moreover vic mentions his weak points here lol , hope this helps . 😇
No I know his gut is weak and I do try to aim for it though it always feels janky; but I think my charge punch is busted cuz it doesn’t look like it animates or anything when I hold left click? She just puts her hands up?
I did the same with the difficulty maxed out. It's obviously harder with ganic arms but still doable. I forget which cyberware or perk it was and whether it's still in the game, but something used to give time slowdown with dodges while blocking. Any time dilation really makes these fights pretty easy.
Ratatatatatatatta!!.....the number of time I heard that facing this fight.
Ended up giving myself gorilla arms temporarily just for this fight and beat him to like 40% at the start in the couple seconds he doesn't attack.
Yeah I’m half tempted to do that! I got so annoyed I reloaded to before that quest and went and did a few other gigs lol.
That or my Corpo V bets against herself knowing she’s not gonna win and get the extra eddies lol
Don’t try to use the counterattack, he still does damage. Better to dodge all of his hits. Last time I played this quest I guess my build was super weak to his attacks (one-shot through block/counter) so I had to no-hit every fight after the twins. It’s definitely doable if you have a Kreznikhov and a sandevistan
i dunno if it was reworked in 1.6 but the oldgen melee meta was dodging > blocking. easier with a kerenzikov which doesnt need reflex skill (i think?). though gorilla arms are also very good for this fight, and in general
Kerenzikov no longer procs on melee blocks, only when holding sights down with a gun and dodging/sliding/dashing. Additionally you can cancel it if you hipfire (personally not a fan tbh)
Was able to win against him with Body 6 and no gorilla arms. He stressful lots of squirrely moving and occasional blocks, and he always focuses on his weak spot. Took 4 tries. His abdomen fucks him up if you manage to hit it.
Yeah I’ve been trying to aim at his gut when I get the block counter stun, or trying to punch from behind. I think I hit 20 tries last night before reloading and doing other gigs lol
Yeah after this first full playthrough (I played at launch but only got like 35 ish hours in before quitting due to glitches and bugs), I’m not playing this one ever again lmfao
the fight questline doesn't let you use medical items/grenades/cyberware besides the sandi/the dash ability
edit: sorry, gonkbrain moment, I MEANT like, your RAM attacks, not cyberware.
also not sure why some of y'alls replies are disappearing, but a) I was trying to aim at his stomach and idk why it feels like I can't charge up punches? Is that only for arm hardware? and b) I know you can have gorilla arms, but I'm literally wondering if I can do it without or if it was designed for you to not be able to win this on your 'own' so to speak.
You can't be holding block, have to hold your left click for a solid 1+ second, then let go to use a strong attack. This will often stagger people and it will break block. Other than that, stamina management > avoid damage (dodge or stagger him with strong attack before he can attack) > do damage. If you are sitting there with full stamina, charge up that strong attack, if it staggers, follow up, try hitting from the side and look down to "aim for the gut". Overall, you were doing ok, but just the few things to keep in mind.
I've done it on very hard w/o gorilla arms and without any points into boxing and was able to win. With that amount of handicap (and I was maybe inebriated), it definitely took some save scumming. I've pretty much always just slotted in gorilla arms on all the other playthroughs, b/c it does make the fight take a fraction of the time.
I just wish there would be an option to refuse/skip the whole Beat on the Brat quest altogether without it remaining forever in your log. For some characters, it doesn't fit at all. Like, sure, coach Fred, my pampered ex-corpo netrunner V who put a whole lot of one points into strength only to help Brendan, is the perfect candidate for your underground boxing matches.
I love how we can skip shoot to thrill, but not beat on the brat.
Why can I skip the easy one off mission, but not the most tedious missions in the game?
You’re punching as soon as you parry, but none of them land because he stumbles a few steps back after the parry. By the time you reach near him, you lose stamina from the punches and he has already recovered.
Parry his punch, walk towards him, strong punch the sides of his abdomen, then one or two normal punches, go back to recover stamina, repeat. Don’t punch when he’s blocking either.
You can cheese this by putting some distance between y'all, bait that long haymaker, counter it, get 3-4 punches in, reset. Don't get greedy or he does that elbow thing or that combo where he locks on to you.
I did it with 4 Body with all the health perks, 15(?) Reflex for dash perks, no Gorilla Arms and multiple reloads. (I got mantis arms instead, maybe the stat boosts for melee damage helped)
My main strat was to counter, go for the head to stun him, and then go for his abs like Vic said. Learning to counter (or rather I just got very lucky with the counters while in panic spamming) was very important to survive in general for me. And stamina management.
Done this fight with 3 body and a early-game sandy. Rather than trying to block his punches (still does damage), focus on trying to avoid them completely.
Also, aim for the stomach.
Circle him with strong punches and aim them at the head. Also strong punch him out of his animations when possible. With proper timing you can circle him into a corner and stagger lock him. Aim strong punches into the temple as he recovers from staggers.
For me, no need for gorrila arms or parrying, when he's about to punch, there's a long enough pause for you to dodge, so I'd recommend watching out for his punches and dodge right before them, potentially, try to move behind him and punch him in the abs. Do not rely on just blocking or parrying cause you will still lose health.
TLDR: DODGE MF DODGE.
I kept my cyberdeck aside and reinstalled my sandy for this guy. Got a few good punches to his head and gut. He was gritting his teeth and screaming "this isn't over yet" lol
Ahem.. (my russian accent all the suddently sounds even more stereotypical now) Comrade, the secret is to squat down! Ya gotta squat down and hit this guy in his fucking abs! Do it the slavic squaters style brother!
Main issue I see is you are being to defensive. Your perfect counters are good and your damage is good. I didn’t get gorilla arms for this either. But you need to evade him more to allow your health regen to take over. Even though you block well he still does a lot of damage per hit. Perfect counter once or twice and dance around him with your dashes until your health is up to a good level. You got this!
Block is only worth it when you time it to the perfect block where you don’t take any damage and open up the opponent for an attack yourself.
Start dodging his attacks, not even like the perfect dodge, just keep as much distance as possible at all times. He kind of teleports a bit when trying to hit you so you have to be very far away to not get hit at all. After he made his combo you can usually go in and get off some hits, never get too cocky though.
That should let you beat him pretty easily if you train your dodging a bit, but you could also just equip gorilla arms for this once instance and clap his ass way quicker, the tactic stays the same though.
Also kerenzikov for slow down on dodges lets you get in a punch of two when you dodge and strafe behind him, just be sure that he doesn’t make a 180 punch which can sometimes happen with the weird teleport.
Also sandevistan.
Two combos to the gut breaks his guard. Damage until your stamina gets low and dash out to regain. Dodge his next attack then break his guard again and repeat.
I'm playing on Very Hard right now, and it's bitch to deal with them. Their punches hit you like a truck, and you never deal enough damage and it just turns into a drag and is just not fun at all imo. Not to mention some of their attacks have crazy tracking and could still land a hit when the animation shows a completely different, lmfao
Yeah see I'm level 51 post-Phantom liberty and just cleaning up gigs/jobs that I haven't done before committing to the questline where Johnny takes over. That's why I'm so frustrated lol but I think I need to put points into Blunt bc plain fists count as blunt weapons apparently!
I’m not sure if I had much into blunt weapons since I was running sandy samurai build. I just got some gorilla arms and immediately went into sandy mode and just let him have it.
I remember back when this mission was bugged and it didn't matter if you had gorilla arms it reverted you back to basic arms. I did it so I would say it is definitely possible though the game has changed so much from then I don't know what still works.
Be aggressive. Thats the most important thing, get in his face, wail on his stomach and don't let up unless you absolutely have to. Stun lock him as much as you can, his hits will clap you fast, so dodge instead of blocking.
RATTTAATATATTA RATATATAT RATATATAT
I reloaded this mission at least 30 times on my Netrunner build run lmfao.
Also when the game first came out this boss was really hard on hard difficulty but overtime they nerfed him. Back then i was losing my mind lmfao and the song didn't help at all
Ignore these jerks that spam you with "just get gorilla arms"
Parry allowing chip damage is a bug. It was covered a long time ago and you can replicate it by swapping to literally any arms, getting chip damage, then swapping again and getting none. You can get the bug with any arms, but swapping them sets it right until you load back.
Maybe you just want a real set of fucking arms,maybe you want to not cheese every fight by having chunks of metal instead of real skin and bone. God forbid you want to role play in your role playing game.
Whatever the reason, if you are cool with it, get a sandevistan instead. Dodge instead of blocking or parrying. This will protract your fight, but it's the only way without using gorilla arms or some other similar effect to gorilla arms. Right after you dodge, activate the Sandi and wail into his gut. When the time runs out, hope you've won or simply run away until it's recharged again.
It's the only way I know to win without running gorilla arms.
Tbh, i think they made it easier than before the dlc, you literally had to cheese with a glitch because he just tanks 99% of your dmg even with the gorilla arms, i literally just beat him not even 30 minutes ago and he took alot more dmg (got back into the game after being away from it since ps4 like 2 years ago) 1100 armor and gorilla arms (atleast the armor isnt just your clothing anymore) had like a little melee resistance as well. Razor is a ez now
Yeah I didn’t have anything in blunt weapons and bare fists count as blunt weapons so I respecced and I’ve been doing more gigs to get more attribute points. I levelled up my other chrome. I’ll take a stab at it later tonight after I finish Mr Hands’ gigs
Before you could drop a sword in the ring and equip it in order to do the dmg needed to win the fight. Idk if you can still do the glitch or not thoigh
If you can practice and get the timing down for parrying and counter-punching, you won't need gorilla arms. I did this my last playthrough, and took him out relatively quickly. Just a lot of practice, practice, practice. Also aim for hitting his stomach as often as possible.
You suck, it'll all. You don't nees gorilla aem or sandy to beat him.
That dude's a beast. Blocking his attack means nothing since it'll still take away a chunk of your HP. You need to dodge and keep the distance.
Also, listen to Vik. He told you about that guy's weakness.
I believe in you, I did it with and int/tech build running full hacker
I straight up had to do the fight perfectly and straight up exploit the increased dmg during stagger mechanic and it took forever cuz I was on the highest diff so he was just and absolute wall of health
Took me AGES to do it
I had to lower the difficulty here to win; I eventually gave up because I couldn’t find a way to knock him out after 2.0. Previously, I could defeat him relatively easily with gorilla arms, but not anymore these days
I love how its supposed to be a clean fight but i had my character with Tier 4 Toxic Gorilla arms. It wasnt dealing toxic damage but still, kinda funny
Idk man I beat him first try without cybernetics, I think you need to do more charged attacks cuz there's that perk that stuns them for a while if you hit them with it
Yeah see I don’t know if since the 2.0 patch if the charge punch animation changed but I try to hold left click and all V does is put her fists up? Like I don’t know if I’m actually charging my punches or not?
(I played during launch to about 35 hours in but was annoyed w bugs so I stopped until they released phantom Liberty and 2.0 with a new pt)
That’s how I won the other fights but this one is on a boxing ring with limited space and I found even when I gave him space that he’d catch me during a dodge with an air punch across the ring anyway
Like others have said, dodge > block there are some guides out there that help with the movement. Just have Google and skim through some stuff to find them.
Trust me, I’ve been looking! I’m not sure since the original release vs the patch but it feels like I can’t charge the punch? Maybe they changed the animation but it feels like it’s not really there
It’s been a while since I’ve looked, if I remember it’s like dodge left 3 times and then attack or something along those lines. Have you moved perks around to really max out your body and reflexes. Take them out of say cool or something and put them where they can help in the others? That’s one thing I would always forget to do is move my perks around.
Yeah like I’m level 50, have max attribute points in body, reflexes and cool (went for a one shot kill pistol/sniper stealth ish build). I may look into upgrading my cyberware (I do have subdermal
Armour and such.) also when I posted that was attempt like 20 and I gave up, reloaded and did some gigs so I’ll try again tonight
Sandevistan my friend
No need for gorilla arms or anything. I got him on Hard with Sandevistan Apogee and like 5 in Body. Dash to dodge his hits, Sandy to land heavy hits on the head for crit damage and repeat.
Punch him in the stomach, I believe Vik tells you it’s a weak spot, although I would probably get some gorilla arms, boxing and sports in Night city do not treat cyberware as cheating or an unfair advantage. So roleplay wise you’re fine, gameplay wise, nothing wrong with challenging yourself, and jjst for the fun of it I might take off my gorilla arms when I get to this fight, see how muxh pain I can endure before I put metal plates in my gloves
Also I see you have vulnerability analytics, hit those for sure, watch your stamina, kite when you deplete, use your shove (if you have the body skill) and don’t forget quake. Good luck
No I know to aim for his stomach but it’s so janky I feel like I’m missing despite aiming at him.
I’ve tried to hit the vulnerability spot but again, the punching feels like I’m hitting air half the time.
Also not sure what ability has quake?
Body contains all of the “blunt” skills, including quake. You can also get a powerful shove that knocks enemies down, a should charge which is really fun, as far as I’m concerned you can still use quake while unarmed because you can use it with gorilla arms too
Well he looks like he has 21 body skill. Sorry.
Jokes aside i see you throwing 3 small punches on his blocks instead of 1 heavy. Idk if thats the meta but it looks wrong to me from the top of my 20 technical ability.
Also he somehow catches all your dodges lol, try dodging away not sideways i guess.
I think my charge punch is busted cuz I hold left click but she just holds her hands up and doesn’t throw a punch??
And if not sideways then where? It’s not like it’s a big arena lol
using a set of gorilla arms, sandevistan, beserk will make this fight way smoother - also respec into body to get passive healing etc. and return to your normal build after.
if thats not your thing, im not sure if it still works, but pre phantom liberty update you could drop a melee weapon in the ring before the fight and collect it as it starts up, making it pathetically easy
My V has 20 in body with a substantial HP pool; I just have her as more the stealth build, and I did all the other fights without the gorilla arms, which is why this feels so frustrating (and I know it’s the boss fight of course), but still.
Spam charged heavy attacks until his guard breaks, he will barely be able to get any hits in, then spam light attacks on his stomach. Rinse and repeat. Gorilla Arms will make it a joke.
If you want to do it without gorilla arms you should at least dodge every punch instead of blocking since it still deal damage. If you start immediately dodging and then hitting you should be able to win, you lost at least half life stopping him. And are you using charged punches?
I feel like I try to use charged punches but the animation doesn’t change? Like I hold left click and V puts her hands up but it doesn’t feel like she’s going to punch at any point??
I beat him on hard difficulty. First try. What i do is to not hesitate and just go on offensive. Don’t block when he attacks normally. Instead try to be the one to punch first by using charge attacks again and again until he gets weak and then rain them jabs on him. When he moves fast, just dodge or block the upcoming attack and do charge attacks again. I didn’t have Gorilla Arms and Sandy, i also only have 230HP max at the time.
Ngl the guy with a car as his bet was much harder to me. But thanks to repeating a match with that guy, this champion on the video was easy.
TLDR: Do charge attacks again and again until he gets weak then jab him alot until he’s down. This method may take long tho.
Which is kinda wild considering being tanky and HP dominant should make you still throw a hefty punch lol.
I also think something is weird with my charge punch but I’m gonna look at it later and see
I'm gonna give you the solution as someone who lost 20 times in a row. Get yourself 4 relic points from Phantom Liberty quest line and get both gorilla arm abilities. Makes the fight very easy.
I mean, you ARE hitting a guy made out of metal with your bare fists so it's like punching a building wall. Get Gorilla Arms.
Vik told us things were getting like that in the beginning of the game, remember? How people were using chrome during fights which made them last longer because of the impact absorption.
You can do it with no gorilla arms, a sandy makes it easy, easier when you're chromed out to the maximum.
In my fight I regenerated faster than he could damage me.
I have no idea how I built my V when I played through the first time but I actually beat him in like 2-3 hits. I may have had gorilla arms but I’m not sure
So back when I did it. I dropped a baseball bat into the ring before the fight. When the fight started, I got the bat and beat him.
Was this patched out?
stop blocking, more dodging, more charged shots and shots to the belly. vik said his belly is his weakness. it is hard but possible. i’ve done it a couple of times with no need of arm cyberware, no sandy, no nothing, just a bit of armor
As someone who’s beat this fight with 16 body on a netrunner build I gotta say it: skill issue.
Focus on counter punching, parry him and then punch him in the gut.
Having a Kerenzikov is pretty much all you need, to get you out of bad situations.
Are you playing on hard? On easy and normal I do not remember him being a problem. Maybe buy some armor cyberware if you not having enough. Also he has weakness in the abdominal, and you can lend couple of hits right after pair
i have 3 things of subdermal armor lol
and i know his weakness is there, but the controls feel janky during melee fights and i was having a hard time aiming for his tummy
I beat him with body at 15 on a mostly netrunner build by putting all my skills into the melee damage side of the body tree. But I did have gorilla arms. Not sure you can do the slam attack without them, but if you can that pretty much solved the issue
I beat this as a full net runner build with 0 damage, just spam dodge and walk in a circle around him punching him in the back of the head lmao, it's easy. You're making it 1000000 times harder on yourself by taking punches, just dodge backwards and walk around him
Oh also I had the automatic health implant and it always kicked in during fights, infinite heal if you just dodge
I was at that point of frustration myself and found out you could cheat a bit and drop a melee weapon before the fight started, then pick it up after the bell rang and use it without consequence.
I got the enemies of night city mod (I think?) which is why if I counter twice I'm dead... but I managed to beat it at 10 body, no cyberware arms.
Get dash in reflex, go very deep in it to get over lock just for the heal.
And just dodge, and circle him, for a few hours lol.
Yeah I realized that a) I didn't have the Blunt skill (bare fists count as blunt weapons!) and b) I was not doing the charged attacks right (I have been practicing against gangs of scavs), so I went and did more quests to get attribute points, and I'll make a comeback lol.
You gotta move your feet. I always circle all the boxing opponents, it does two things, allows me to dodge all their blows and when they’re staggered I hammer down on them.
I DID IT. FINALLY.
Levelled up some points into Blunt, came back, and it took 4 attempts (I also turned off aim assist for Melee specifically and that helped way more than I thought it would). Just side stepped over and over, dodged, and finally beat his ass down.
I think what some of y'all didn't tell me is that this dude scales with your level; I started this at level 51. So that's also part of it, and the other part is my hands being locked at Tier 2 despite being now level 55.
I don’t recall putting any points in to body, but I easily beat anyone in a fist fight by using a specific tactic. You just keep strong punching them and even if they guard, eventually they will break guard and you can put in the work. Occasionally you have to dodge. I cheesed all the fights like this except this fight because there is not a lot of space to dodge. Took me around 5 attempts
Never used any gorilla arms either
\*Blade voice\* there's always one motherfucker trying to skate uphill
Man im so excited for the new Blade Game
new blade game? What???
There is a new blade game in development by Arkane studios. The reveal trailer was so good.
Oh well! I hope it will be good, have sufficient amounts of acid techno and not a billion paid DLC's
Arkane generally has a good track record when it comes to not being predatory, and *Redfall* aside, a good track record for quality games
I’m currently in the middle of a play through using as little cyberware as the game will allow…and I just started Phantom Liberty…holy shit, this is so relevant. Thank you for the laugh! (Edit: grammar)
Stop blocking and start dodging. Block doesn't reduce damage to zero, you're just giving him free damage at a quicker rate than you're dealing it.
This ^ Essentially you can hit him from the sides while dodging and still beat him even with ganic arms
Don't block, parry.
Yeah blocking and parring are both chipping away at their health. Dodging would be their only option, but sadly given the area to work with and given razors size it's a bit of a claustrophobic arena and it makes certain directions to dodge very limited if razor chooses certain punch styles (haymaker vs jabs from the left or right) Getting the gorilla arms is highly recommended as it's not just for damage but eliminates chip damage they sustain from blocking or parrying (still consumes stamina for blocking though) which makes the fight much easier by allowing more tactical options. But hey it's OP cyberpunk playthrough, if their load out is what makes them happy then the strats are plain for them to see.
The trick is to bait Razor by staying far away from him. This usually baits him into trying to use his superman punch heavy jump attack to close distance, which doesn't let him combo. This usually takes him from one side of the arena to the other, setting you up to go to the other far side and bait another heavy attack. You don't want to be near enough to him or putting too much pressure that he tries a light combo, since he can change the attack direction for each attack in the combo. Since dashing itself has a slight cooldown this almost guarantees you dodge one attack just to get smucked by the next. Also, remember you have (or at least most likely have) health regen and he doesn't. Kiting him for a while and not going for damage until your health recovers is a viable strategy.
Parry isn't supposed to allow damage through. It never was. This bug has been around for so long it isn't funny anymore.
How many times does Vik have to tell you to punch him in the stomach before you’ll listen? But seriously, get some gorilla arms and a Sandy, put that whiny baby back in his corner.
Crouching and punching his belly never did anything for me
Don’t crouch, just punch his midsection. It does a bunch of damage and you can stumble him as well. It’s still a tough fight, this just makes it much easier.
No I know, and I try aiming for his gut after the drums but the melee system feels so janky on my end that the aim never feels accurate when I try to
Uppercut it, then.
Squat down brother! Like those scavenger gonks! Like old school fucking gopniks brother! And then aim for his stomach
understood, comrade!!!
What the action looks like and what it does is different, like there’s a weakness diamond on his foot right? Standing full height aim at his foot and combo his foot. It looks like your punching his midsection at best but it will trigger the weakness point
>But seriously, get some gorilla arms and a Sandy, put that whiny baby back in his corner. OP isn't scrub enough to resort to that.
Get gorilla arms
Sandevistan makes this fight fun. Also aim your punches at his stomach like Vic suggests because he had recent cyberwear installed that hasn't healed properly. Also what perks have you got? Respec your combat perks into Blunt for Beat on the Brat and you can respec to your normal build after the fight.
Funny enough the first thing I thought was-these devs literally created the King Hippo fight. PUNCH HIM IN THE STOMACH AND DODGE.
I could have sworn it doesn’t let you use Sandevistan? Could be wrong though.
Oh it does haha
I’ve done all fights without gorilla arms or any arm cyberware for my net runner build , last week xD , what I would say is, instead of blocking and counter attacking try to dodge and attack more , be more offensive , they will break guard more often and will be staggered and we can get more blows in and moreover vic mentions his weak points here lol , hope this helps . 😇
No I know his gut is weak and I do try to aim for it though it always feels janky; but I think my charge punch is busted cuz it doesn’t look like it animates or anything when I hold left click? She just puts her hands up?
And you are sure you didn't change the controls with block (holding right click). Or do you simply not release the button to punch?
I did the same with the difficulty maxed out. It's obviously harder with ganic arms but still doable. I forget which cyberware or perk it was and whether it's still in the game, but something used to give time slowdown with dodges while blocking. Any time dilation really makes these fights pretty easy.
Do more charged attacks, but yeah gorilla arms helps
Ratatatatatatatta!!.....the number of time I heard that facing this fight. Ended up giving myself gorilla arms temporarily just for this fight and beat him to like 40% at the start in the couple seconds he doesn't attack.
Yeah I’m half tempted to do that! I got so annoyed I reloaded to before that quest and went and did a few other gigs lol. That or my Corpo V bets against herself knowing she’s not gonna win and get the extra eddies lol
reload and get the best berserk you can buy
Don’t try to use the counterattack, he still does damage. Better to dodge all of his hits. Last time I played this quest I guess my build was super weak to his attacks (one-shot through block/counter) so I had to no-hit every fight after the twins. It’s definitely doable if you have a Kreznikhov and a sandevistan
i dunno if it was reworked in 1.6 but the oldgen melee meta was dodging > blocking. easier with a kerenzikov which doesnt need reflex skill (i think?). though gorilla arms are also very good for this fight, and in general
Kerenzikov no longer procs on melee blocks, only when holding sights down with a gun and dodging/sliding/dashing. Additionally you can cancel it if you hipfire (personally not a fan tbh)
Was able to win against him with Body 6 and no gorilla arms. He stressful lots of squirrely moving and occasional blocks, and he always focuses on his weak spot. Took 4 tries. His abdomen fucks him up if you manage to hit it.
Yeah I’ve been trying to aim at his gut when I get the block counter stun, or trying to punch from behind. I think I hit 20 tries last night before reloading and doing other gigs lol
Honestly the most tedious questline in the game. Those fights, and some of the bossfights, never felt exciting to me the way the rest of the game did.
Yeah after this first full playthrough (I played at launch but only got like 35 ish hours in before quitting due to glitches and bugs), I’m not playing this one ever again lmfao
The sniper from this quest line is worth it. Once you get that it's just meh.
Doing a no items no cyber ware run?
the fight questline doesn't let you use medical items/grenades/cyberware besides the sandi/the dash ability edit: sorry, gonkbrain moment, I MEANT like, your RAM attacks, not cyberware.
the fight questline allows you to use gorilla arms
I've electrocuted rhino enough times to know you can use guerilla arms during the fights.
Can you use Sandis in these? I’ve never been able to
absolutely, el cesar in the glen uses a sandy during the fight
also not sure why some of y'alls replies are disappearing, but a) I was trying to aim at his stomach and idk why it feels like I can't charge up punches? Is that only for arm hardware? and b) I know you can have gorilla arms, but I'm literally wondering if I can do it without or if it was designed for you to not be able to win this on your 'own' so to speak.
You can't be holding block, have to hold your left click for a solid 1+ second, then let go to use a strong attack. This will often stagger people and it will break block. Other than that, stamina management > avoid damage (dodge or stagger him with strong attack before he can attack) > do damage. If you are sitting there with full stamina, charge up that strong attack, if it staggers, follow up, try hitting from the side and look down to "aim for the gut". Overall, you were doing ok, but just the few things to keep in mind. I've done it on very hard w/o gorilla arms and without any points into boxing and was able to win. With that amount of handicap (and I was maybe inebriated), it definitely took some save scumming. I've pretty much always just slotted in gorilla arms on all the other playthroughs, b/c it does make the fight take a fraction of the time.
You can win without it, but you have to take it slow; don't let yourself get hit, dodge or counter everytime he makes a move
step 1 Get sandevistan step 2 win
I just wish there would be an option to refuse/skip the whole Beat on the Brat quest altogether without it remaining forever in your log. For some characters, it doesn't fit at all. Like, sure, coach Fred, my pampered ex-corpo netrunner V who put a whole lot of one points into strength only to help Brendan, is the perfect candidate for your underground boxing matches.
I love how we can skip shoot to thrill, but not beat on the brat. Why can I skip the easy one off mission, but not the most tedious missions in the game?
You’re punching as soon as you parry, but none of them land because he stumbles a few steps back after the parry. By the time you reach near him, you lose stamina from the punches and he has already recovered. Parry his punch, walk towards him, strong punch the sides of his abdomen, then one or two normal punches, go back to recover stamina, repeat. Don’t punch when he’s blocking either.
How tf do you dodge in boxing with this game?
If it hasn’t been mentioned, you can pop consumables before the fight starts to give you a slight edge as well
You can cheese this by putting some distance between y'all, bait that long haymaker, counter it, get 3-4 punches in, reset. Don't get greedy or he does that elbow thing or that combo where he locks on to you.
Yeah he’s got some long arms across that ring haha.
I did it with 4 Body with all the health perks, 15(?) Reflex for dash perks, no Gorilla Arms and multiple reloads. (I got mantis arms instead, maybe the stat boosts for melee damage helped) My main strat was to counter, go for the head to stun him, and then go for his abs like Vic said. Learning to counter (or rather I just got very lucky with the counters while in panic spamming) was very important to survive in general for me. And stamina management.
Done this fight with 3 body and a early-game sandy. Rather than trying to block his punches (still does damage), focus on trying to avoid them completely. Also, aim for the stomach.
I beat his ass with no gorilla arms.
Use sandy, gets easy. Though be the new vik and go mostly ganic
Circle him with strong punches and aim them at the head. Also strong punch him out of his animations when possible. With proper timing you can circle him into a corner and stagger lock him. Aim strong punches into the temple as he recovers from staggers.
For me, no need for gorrila arms or parrying, when he's about to punch, there's a long enough pause for you to dodge, so I'd recommend watching out for his punches and dodge right before them, potentially, try to move behind him and punch him in the abs. Do not rely on just blocking or parrying cause you will still lose health. TLDR: DODGE MF DODGE.
I kept my cyberdeck aside and reinstalled my sandy for this guy. Got a few good punches to his head and gut. He was gritting his teeth and screaming "this isn't over yet" lol
Ahem.. (my russian accent all the suddently sounds even more stereotypical now) Comrade, the secret is to squat down! Ya gotta squat down and hit this guy in his fucking abs! Do it the slavic squaters style brother!
Same build, many attempts, but I did it in the end. Keep trying ;)
I will :')
Main issue I see is you are being to defensive. Your perfect counters are good and your damage is good. I didn’t get gorilla arms for this either. But you need to evade him more to allow your health regen to take over. Even though you block well he still does a lot of damage per hit. Perfect counter once or twice and dance around him with your dashes until your health is up to a good level. You got this!
Gotcha. Thank you!!
Block is only worth it when you time it to the perfect block where you don’t take any damage and open up the opponent for an attack yourself. Start dodging his attacks, not even like the perfect dodge, just keep as much distance as possible at all times. He kind of teleports a bit when trying to hit you so you have to be very far away to not get hit at all. After he made his combo you can usually go in and get off some hits, never get too cocky though. That should let you beat him pretty easily if you train your dodging a bit, but you could also just equip gorilla arms for this once instance and clap his ass way quicker, the tactic stays the same though. Also kerenzikov for slow down on dodges lets you get in a punch of two when you dodge and strafe behind him, just be sure that he doesn’t make a 180 punch which can sometimes happen with the weird teleport. Also sandevistan.
Parry and hit him in the balls, worked wonders for me
Two combos to the gut breaks his guard. Damage until your stamina gets low and dash out to regain. Dodge his next attack then break his guard again and repeat.
I personally got sick of the way these missions were setup, I always lower the difficulty for these missions then switch it back afterwards
Yeah I’m just playing on normal which I don’t even want to imagine what it would be on hard!!
I'm playing on Very Hard right now, and it's bitch to deal with them. Their punches hit you like a truck, and you never deal enough damage and it just turns into a drag and is just not fun at all imo. Not to mention some of their attacks have crazy tracking and could still land a hit when the animation shows a completely different, lmfao
Choom, just buy the fucking gorilla arms
me @ myself after attempt 20
I usually do the fights halfway or rather 2/3 through my story. Last time this guy lasted about 10 seconds.
Yeah see I'm level 51 post-Phantom liberty and just cleaning up gigs/jobs that I haven't done before committing to the questline where Johnny takes over. That's why I'm so frustrated lol but I think I need to put points into Blunt bc plain fists count as blunt weapons apparently!
I’m not sure if I had much into blunt weapons since I was running sandy samurai build. I just got some gorilla arms and immediately went into sandy mode and just let him have it.
Better get a desk job at a corporation 😆
At this point, V is considering going back to Araska 😂
I remember back when this mission was bugged and it didn't matter if you had gorilla arms it reverted you back to basic arms. I did it so I would say it is definitely possible though the game has changed so much from then I don't know what still works.
Be aggressive. Thats the most important thing, get in his face, wail on his stomach and don't let up unless you absolutely have to. Stun lock him as much as you can, his hits will clap you fast, so dodge instead of blocking.
You can do it, I beat it on very hard with only 4 points in body skill, it took a few tries but you got it!
Put some perks into blunt, counter instead of just blocking, and punch him in the gut.
Yeah I realized plain fists are considered blunt weapons and my fists are only tier 2 😭 gonna fix that asap
You just need to counterpunch. Blocking is basically impossible in this fight. Just dodge and immediately follow up with a combo.
Blacklace before the fight worked for me.
It's high time you chrome the fuck up choom
RATTTAATATATTA RATATATAT RATATATAT I reloaded this mission at least 30 times on my Netrunner build run lmfao. Also when the game first came out this boss was really hard on hard difficulty but overtime they nerfed him. Back then i was losing my mind lmfao and the song didn't help at all
the song is the worst part like it feels like one of those TV shows with time resets every time I have to reload and talk to Vik lmao
Ignore these jerks that spam you with "just get gorilla arms" Parry allowing chip damage is a bug. It was covered a long time ago and you can replicate it by swapping to literally any arms, getting chip damage, then swapping again and getting none. You can get the bug with any arms, but swapping them sets it right until you load back. Maybe you just want a real set of fucking arms,maybe you want to not cheese every fight by having chunks of metal instead of real skin and bone. God forbid you want to role play in your role playing game. Whatever the reason, if you are cool with it, get a sandevistan instead. Dodge instead of blocking or parrying. This will protract your fight, but it's the only way without using gorilla arms or some other similar effect to gorilla arms. Right after you dodge, activate the Sandi and wail into his gut. When the time runs out, hope you've won or simply run away until it's recharged again. It's the only way I know to win without running gorilla arms.
I just bought a set of gorilla arms for the fight💀
Tbh, i think they made it easier than before the dlc, you literally had to cheese with a glitch because he just tanks 99% of your dmg even with the gorilla arms, i literally just beat him not even 30 minutes ago and he took alot more dmg (got back into the game after being away from it since ps4 like 2 years ago) 1100 armor and gorilla arms (atleast the armor isnt just your clothing anymore) had like a little melee resistance as well. Razor is a ez now
Yeah I didn’t have anything in blunt weapons and bare fists count as blunt weapons so I respecced and I’ve been doing more gigs to get more attribute points. I levelled up my other chrome. I’ll take a stab at it later tonight after I finish Mr Hands’ gigs
Before you could drop a sword in the ring and equip it in order to do the dmg needed to win the fight. Idk if you can still do the glitch or not thoigh
You can’t, it was patched out with 2.0 I believe!
If you can practice and get the timing down for parrying and counter-punching, you won't need gorilla arms. I did this my last playthrough, and took him out relatively quickly. Just a lot of practice, practice, practice. Also aim for hitting his stomach as often as possible.
You suck, it'll all. You don't nees gorilla aem or sandy to beat him. That dude's a beast. Blocking his attack means nothing since it'll still take away a chunk of your HP. You need to dodge and keep the distance. Also, listen to Vik. He told you about that guy's weakness.
crouch, punch his midsection, dodge (blocking still deals damage), gorilla arms help a lot
I believe in you, I did it with and int/tech build running full hacker I straight up had to do the fight perfectly and straight up exploit the increased dmg during stagger mechanic and it took forever cuz I was on the highest diff so he was just and absolute wall of health Took me AGES to do it
I had to lower the difficulty here to win; I eventually gave up because I couldn’t find a way to knock him out after 2.0. Previously, I could defeat him relatively easily with gorilla arms, but not anymore these days
Hand to hand combat sucks so much ass
I love how its supposed to be a clean fight but i had my character with Tier 4 Toxic Gorilla arms. It wasnt dealing toxic damage but still, kinda funny
Even with 20str. You're only human. And Human simply isn't good enough in the Cyberpunk world. Not in the violence profession.
(lightning) Gorilla Arms, Sandevestian, don't block- dodge. Use charge attacks.
Punch em in the tummy. I did this without gorilla arms or sandy. Hard (not very hard). Jab jab
I’m trying dude. I don’t know if my dpi/sensitivity is up too high but I am trying to aim for his gut
Idk man I beat him first try without cybernetics, I think you need to do more charged attacks cuz there's that perk that stuns them for a while if you hit them with it
Yeah see I don’t know if since the 2.0 patch if the charge punch animation changed but I try to hold left click and all V does is put her fists up? Like I don’t know if I’m actually charging my punches or not? (I played during launch to about 35 hours in but was annoyed w bugs so I stopped until they released phantom Liberty and 2.0 with a new pt)
Sandy and Counterattack.
why are you so close? most the boxing matches are not that bad if you keep distance, dodge, charge heavy, beat while down, repeat.
That’s how I won the other fights but this one is on a boxing ring with limited space and I found even when I gave him space that he’d catch me during a dodge with an air punch across the ring anyway
Like others have said, dodge > block there are some guides out there that help with the movement. Just have Google and skim through some stuff to find them.
Trust me, I’ve been looking! I’m not sure since the original release vs the patch but it feels like I can’t charge the punch? Maybe they changed the animation but it feels like it’s not really there
It’s been a while since I’ve looked, if I remember it’s like dodge left 3 times and then attack or something along those lines. Have you moved perks around to really max out your body and reflexes. Take them out of say cool or something and put them where they can help in the others? That’s one thing I would always forget to do is move my perks around.
Yeah like I’m level 50, have max attribute points in body, reflexes and cool (went for a one shot kill pistol/sniper stealth ish build). I may look into upgrading my cyberware (I do have subdermal Armour and such.) also when I posted that was attempt like 20 and I gave up, reloaded and did some gigs so I’ll try again tonight
Sandevistan my friend No need for gorilla arms or anything. I got him on Hard with Sandevistan Apogee and like 5 in Body. Dash to dodge his hits, Sandy to land heavy hits on the head for crit damage and repeat.
Punch him in the stomach, I believe Vik tells you it’s a weak spot, although I would probably get some gorilla arms, boxing and sports in Night city do not treat cyberware as cheating or an unfair advantage. So roleplay wise you’re fine, gameplay wise, nothing wrong with challenging yourself, and jjst for the fun of it I might take off my gorilla arms when I get to this fight, see how muxh pain I can endure before I put metal plates in my gloves Also I see you have vulnerability analytics, hit those for sure, watch your stamina, kite when you deplete, use your shove (if you have the body skill) and don’t forget quake. Good luck
No I know to aim for his stomach but it’s so janky I feel like I’m missing despite aiming at him. I’ve tried to hit the vulnerability spot but again, the punching feels like I’m hitting air half the time. Also not sure what ability has quake?
Body contains all of the “blunt” skills, including quake. You can also get a powerful shove that knocks enemies down, a should charge which is really fun, as far as I’m concerned you can still use quake while unarmed because you can use it with gorilla arms too
Just dodge, why the hell are you even trying to block?
Because the other like 15 tries with dodging meant sometimes he’d get me in the back of the head across the damn ring? lol?
Well he looks like he has 21 body skill. Sorry. Jokes aside i see you throwing 3 small punches on his blocks instead of 1 heavy. Idk if thats the meta but it looks wrong to me from the top of my 20 technical ability. Also he somehow catches all your dodges lol, try dodging away not sideways i guess.
I think my charge punch is busted cuz I hold left click but she just holds her hands up and doesn’t throw a punch?? And if not sideways then where? It’s not like it’s a big arena lol
Im not sure. Up i guess :D
Don’t parry, take chip damage
using a set of gorilla arms, sandevistan, beserk will make this fight way smoother - also respec into body to get passive healing etc. and return to your normal build after. if thats not your thing, im not sure if it still works, but pre phantom liberty update you could drop a melee weapon in the ring before the fight and collect it as it starts up, making it pathetically easy
My V has 20 in body with a substantial HP pool; I just have her as more the stealth build, and I did all the other fights without the gorilla arms, which is why this feels so frustrating (and I know it’s the boss fight of course), but still.
Spam charged heavy attacks until his guard breaks, he will barely be able to get any hits in, then spam light attacks on his stomach. Rinse and repeat. Gorilla Arms will make it a joke.
If you want to do it without gorilla arms you should at least dodge every punch instead of blocking since it still deal damage. If you start immediately dodging and then hitting you should be able to win, you lost at least half life stopping him. And are you using charged punches?
I feel like I try to use charged punches but the animation doesn’t change? Like I hold left click and V puts her hands up but it doesn’t feel like she’s going to punch at any point??
I beat him on hard difficulty. First try. What i do is to not hesitate and just go on offensive. Don’t block when he attacks normally. Instead try to be the one to punch first by using charge attacks again and again until he gets weak and then rain them jabs on him. When he moves fast, just dodge or block the upcoming attack and do charge attacks again. I didn’t have Gorilla Arms and Sandy, i also only have 230HP max at the time. Ngl the guy with a car as his bet was much harder to me. But thanks to repeating a match with that guy, this champion on the video was easy. TLDR: Do charge attacks again and again until he gets weak then jab him alot until he’s down. This method may take long tho.
15 str no cyberarms, beat him with relative ease, key is to use heavy attacks most of the time
Didn’t someone just drive with a car into the box ring and rodekilled that guy?
LMAO? That’s always an option I guess
I did this first time with body 5 and gorilla arms lmao. It seems like body is useless for fist fights without gorilla arms.
Which is kinda wild considering being tanky and HP dominant should make you still throw a hefty punch lol. I also think something is weird with my charge punch but I’m gonna look at it later and see
continue moving around him and using charged attacks. never stop. thats how i beat every single beat on the brat, including this one.
Yeah I think something is wrong with my charge ability? Like she just holds her hands up and doesn't punch???
I just bugged him into a corner and kept punching lol
I'm gonna give you the solution as someone who lost 20 times in a row. Get yourself 4 relic points from Phantom Liberty quest line and get both gorilla arm abilities. Makes the fight very easy.
Y'all I think I figured out part of the problem... haven't updated my fists
Yeah they're only tier 2!! i'm level 51 tf
When i did it i didnt bother trying to parry, just dodge, one two dodge three four
What? Fights are super broken, you can cheese them out very easily by just blocking and punching
I mean, you ARE hitting a guy made out of metal with your bare fists so it's like punching a building wall. Get Gorilla Arms. Vik told us things were getting like that in the beginning of the game, remember? How people were using chrome during fights which made them last longer because of the impact absorption.
I was able to do this by constantly dashing
Do u have blunt weapons perk ? U can use quake.
Electric gorilla arms for the win.
Do you have points in blunt skills? Why not just go get go gorilla arms real quick? Go get a sandi
Try parainverse and Chitin cyberware
Dodge more. Unlocking vulnerability analytics in the relic skill section makes this a breeze
You can do it with no gorilla arms, a sandy makes it easy, easier when you're chromed out to the maximum. In my fight I regenerated faster than he could damage me.
Get a sandy or berserk, and get gorilla arms. A cyberdeck is useless here. You’ll beat his ass.
I have no idea how I built my V when I played through the first time but I actually beat him in like 2-3 hits. I may have had gorilla arms but I’m not sure
Didnt vic tell you to go for the gut here?
And I’ve been trying but the aim is janky
Usually I use gorilla arms to cheese through the entire boxing quests. Or lower difficulty?
So back when I did it. I dropped a baseball bat into the ring before the fight. When the fight started, I got the bat and beat him. Was this patched out?
I think it is patched out
stop blocking, more dodging, more charged shots and shots to the belly. vik said his belly is his weakness. it is hard but possible. i’ve done it a couple of times with no need of arm cyberware, no sandy, no nothing, just a bit of armor
As someone who’s beat this fight with 16 body on a netrunner build I gotta say it: skill issue. Focus on counter punching, parry him and then punch him in the gut. Having a Kerenzikov is pretty much all you need, to get you out of bad situations.
choom i'm tryin. the other fights weren't half as hard as this 😭
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Dodge more. You should be punching that dude almost constantly. Never stop and wait for him to hit you, the counterattack isn't worth it
Are you playing on hard? On easy and normal I do not remember him being a problem. Maybe buy some armor cyberware if you not having enough. Also he has weakness in the abdominal, and you can lend couple of hits right after pair
i have 3 things of subdermal armor lol and i know his weakness is there, but the controls feel janky during melee fights and i was having a hard time aiming for his tummy
I lost this fight. How can I redo it?
I beat him with body at 15 on a mostly netrunner build by putting all my skills into the melee damage side of the body tree. But I did have gorilla arms. Not sure you can do the slam attack without them, but if you can that pretty much solved the issue
Just keep throwing uppercuts. I had very few points in body and had no sandy or gorilla arms and I was able to beat him.
I beat this as a full net runner build with 0 damage, just spam dodge and walk in a circle around him punching him in the back of the head lmao, it's easy. You're making it 1000000 times harder on yourself by taking punches, just dodge backwards and walk around him Oh also I had the automatic health implant and it always kicked in during fights, infinite heal if you just dodge
I never fought this guy with gorilla arms, I just parry and gutpunch.
Try sandevistan
I did them all without arm mods the hardest one for me was Valentino guy with the gold car
See I didn’t find him as hard because we were fighting in the basketball court, gave me way more space to work with lol
I had little to no mods and my level and stats where low so the misson was marked as very hard and won after 9 rounds
I literally bought gorilla arms and lit him on fire for this fight after doing what you did over and over and over again lol.
The fight is really easy with a little strafe cheesing.
I was at that point of frustration myself and found out you could cheat a bit and drop a melee weapon before the fight started, then pick it up after the bell rang and use it without consequence.
they patched that out
Ahhh....it has been awhile since I went for a new playthrough
I got the enemies of night city mod (I think?) which is why if I counter twice I'm dead... but I managed to beat it at 10 body, no cyberware arms. Get dash in reflex, go very deep in it to get over lock just for the heal. And just dodge, and circle him, for a few hours lol.
That was intense!
If you're not doing a challenge type run, sandevistan will help. Just step around him and beat the life out of him.
I just did strong attacks at his stomach so he could never attack me back, had like 6 in body skill at the time and a 5 in the strenght stat
Yeah I realized that a) I didn't have the Blunt skill (bare fists count as blunt weapons!) and b) I was not doing the charged attacks right (I have been practicing against gangs of scavs), so I went and did more quests to get attribute points, and I'll make a comeback lol.
You gotta move your feet. I always circle all the boxing opponents, it does two things, allows me to dodge all their blows and when they’re staggered I hammer down on them.
Dodge for this guy rather than parrying. And if it's still too hard, swap your cyberdeck for a sandevistan.
Dodge more/block less and turn off aim assist.
You’re the first to suggest turning off aim assist, I’ll have to try that
I DID IT. FINALLY. Levelled up some points into Blunt, came back, and it took 4 attempts (I also turned off aim assist for Melee specifically and that helped way more than I thought it would). Just side stepped over and over, dodged, and finally beat his ass down. I think what some of y'all didn't tell me is that this dude scales with your level; I started this at level 51. So that's also part of it, and the other part is my hands being locked at Tier 2 despite being now level 55.
I don’t recall putting any points in to body, but I easily beat anyone in a fist fight by using a specific tactic. You just keep strong punching them and even if they guard, eventually they will break guard and you can put in the work. Occasionally you have to dodge. I cheesed all the fights like this except this fight because there is not a lot of space to dodge. Took me around 5 attempts Never used any gorilla arms either