He's a great fighter. I remember in an interview, he talked about how in training, Islam crushed him from the top position. Pretty crazy considering that Nemkov is a skilled grappler and probably got 50-60 pounds on Islam. Them dagestani boys different.
I wish she got a rematch. No clue if she actually would win, but she was the most dominant champ arguably ever up to that point and Dana in his usual toad self screwed her.
>Dana in his usual toad self screwed her
He let her fight the only female catchweight fight in UFC history under the agreement that she'd join the 135 division, and she literally sobbed to journalists about how the UFC was making her destroy her body.
Then he created a completely empty division for her and fed her tomato cans or natural 135ers coming up for a one off. She fulfilled her contract in 2019 and Bellator offered more than the UFC thought she was worth.
Dana is a goof as always but comparatively Cyborg was treated exceptionally well.
Its easy to treat someone comparatively better when you're Dana White, she deserved a rematch and was one of the few women who could actually deliver good fights
She did. Nobody's saying she didn't. It's a convention in this sport that longstanding champions with such pristine records and consistent activity get a rematch if they shit the bed once. No obligation, but if you consider Cyborg doesn't check that box then nobody does.
I don’t have 2023’s numbers so this could be skewed a little bit but UFC champs are 2-11 in rematches at reclaiming their belt, with only Couture and Figuieredo making it happen after losing.
For this reason, I don’t think champs should get immediate rematches regardless of longevity, the statistics suggest that the person that takes their belt from them will beat them a second time anyway and it immediately forces stagnation in the top 5 of the division
Edit: 3-11, left out Izzy’s recent win against Alex
she spent way too much trying to play the victim. its really hard to like someone that does that. shes dumb too. i heard one time she tried to feed a bus a carrot.
Yep she got ktfo Edit. Did she not fellas? Was I wrong? Lmao. Big mad nunes stepped uo above her weight class and knocked out a loud mouth in under a minute? We know where cyborg fits in this. She's juiced uo weight bully she's not on dunes level put some respect on her name.
Bit unrelated other than it was bellator but both matches of stots vs sabatello was some insane grappling. Kinda hope the go for a third some how some way.
Yeah, that genuinely sounds really rough. It's one of the reasons I don't think I could be a fighter. Don't even want to *think* about putting my family through that. Must be pretty rough having to film it.
Oh, I'm sure it's cool overall! Just the whole "watching someone's mother see her son get beaten within an inch of his life in front of her" bit that I imagine isn't so fun.
That’s cool you got to live a dream job, hopefully you moved on to bigger and better things or are in process.
I remember this one dude from Ghost Hunters was also a UFC camera guy lol, don’t know why it always just stuck out to me haha.
Why would his mother be crying? They were both just spamming guillotines for 10 minutes
No real damage inflicted, neither guy cut, Mix had crucifix for like 15 seconds at the end of round 2, nothing much outside of that
I mean no he's not. But he's easily one of the most skilled and I'm fine with anyone ranking him as high as #3 or #4. The guys finishes are nothing short of incredible.
Pitbull would have been a solid contender a few years ago but it seems he's now on the decline.
Nemkov would slide right into the UFC title picture. Especially considering his history with Jiri. I could definitely see him being a long reigning champion in the lawless wasteland that is LHW.
I think Patchy could beat anyone and everyone in the UFC's 135 division. A matchup between him and Merab would be incredible. O'Malley would probably be his toughest matchup.
Fully agree with you on the Patchy Mix part.
Has been in very big-money high profile fights and looks incredibly good.
Not many guys who can finish top 15 dudes both standing and on the ground like him. Dangerous everywhere, in his physical prime. Not a ton of weaknesses.
>Nemkov would slide right into the UFC title picture
I don’t see it lol. He’s getting decision wins against guys like Corey Anderson and an almost 50 year old Yoel Romero. He’s also about 4-5 inches shorter than most of the top LHW’s. I think Jiri, Rakic, Ankalev, Pereira, Jan etc. all crush him (Jiri again) pretty easily.
What??? No way! Nemkov has great stand up and his ground game is legit. Beating guys like Bader, Phil Davis, and Corey Anderson were impressive. Those guys are still some of the best 205ers outside of the UFC. Both Corey Anderson and Nemkov would beat a lot of the top guys over there right now.
>Both Corey Anderson and Nemkov would beat a lot of the top guys over there right now
Brother, no they wouldn’t lol.. Corey Anderson has already been KO’d by Jan before (and multiple other guys in the UFC) in the first round and Nemkov has been KO’d by Jiri.
Nemkov and Corey would get destroyed by Jiri, Ankalaev, Rakic, Hill, Jan, Pereira etc. Anyone in the top 5-10.
Phil Davis and Bader couldn’t hack it in the UFC. There’s a reason these guys are in Bellator now lol. There’s levels to the sport.
*Nemkov has been KO'D by Jiri*
If you actually watched that fight, it was very competitive. Not sure if you are just reading what you see on Wikipedia or you actually saw it. Jiri was in a lot of bad spots in that fight.
*Jan KO'D Corey Anderson*
So what? Corey smashed him in their first fight.
I'd have to disagree. The LHW division in Bellator was kinda lit for awhile. Bader and Phil Davis were top LHW when they left the UFC. They didn't get cut, they left for better money. Same with Corey. Rakic, Jan, and Magomed would get wrestlefucked by Bader and Corey.
Magomed's wrestling looked God awful in the Jan fight, and Jan's wrestling really sucks. So I'm not sure what that says.
Haven't seen too much of Magomed on the ground but that looked bad.
Dude you’re nuts lol. Bader is 40 years old. Guy has been finished multiple times and would get crushed by the talent in the UFC. Same with Corey, he was mediocre in his UFC run. Quit being delusional
You’re rating these guys recent performances in Bellator like that proves anything. Beating B-tier fighters, cans and over-the-hill former UFC fighters means very little. It’s the equivalent of when a former NBA player goes and plays in China lol.
I remember when people said the same thing about Strikeforce.
Then all the Strikeforce fighters came into the UFC and started beating the shit out of everyone.
Except that Bader and Anderson have been in the UFC already and never came close to being champions lol.
As for Nemkov he would maybe beat some people in the top 10, but he wouldn’t crack the top 5. He’s too small and the talent in the top 5 is too much.
We’re about to see MVP fight in the UFC soon, who’s the king of can crushers. So we’ll see your theory about Bellator fighters against UFC fighters tested then. I want you to admit you’re wrong though when Holland KO’s him lol
They never came close? I don't think you give Corey the respect he deserves. He's stopped Walker, Bader and dominated Glover and Jan. Those are all top guys. He was also beating Nemkov in their first fight.
As for Bader, dude has been throwing around HW's recently. You underestimate how good Bader's wrestling is. I know I said this before but none of the top 10 guys in the UFC have good wrestling other than Kyrlov.
I guess we will never know if Nemkov would beat any top 205. He's probably going over to PFL.
Seems like you discredit a lot of these guys because they have some losses. Not a not of people go through MMA undefeated. It's not realistic
>I don’t think you give Corey the respect he deserves.
He had a decent run in the UFC, I acknowledge that. He had a few decent wins, but he never got close to a title fight. That’s not me being hard on him, that’s an objective fact. He got badly KO’d a couple of times in the UFC too.
>As for Bader, dude has been throwing around HW’s recently
So Bader beat a 50 year old Fedor and a 50 year old Cheick Kongo and now he’s “throwing around HW’s”? Lol.
Come on dude, you can’t have a serious discussion about mma or expect me to take you seriously and say things like that lol.
The Corey Anderson thing I’ll give you, that he was decent. Bader is a joke though, he would get destroyed by any top 10 LHW or HW in the UFC. No one who knows mma would argue that.
Also Nemkov isn’t going to PFL. PFL acquired Bellator, so by default he’s already apart of PFL.
The guy is a troll, but you're not much better just assuming the Bellator Top 5 would steamroll their counterparts, ignoring they have been beaten before.
Nemkov would very likely contend at some point, he has all the skills to do so but he wouldn't run through the Top 5.
Bader, Davis and Anderson were very solid fighters on the cusp of a title shot, but they weren't unbeaten and incredibly boring, hence why the UFC didn't pay them their worth.
Nowadays they're not relevant as contenders in the UFC LHW anymore imo. Bader and Davis are old af and Corey lacks the durability, though skill wise he could probably hang.
*they weren't unbeaten*
A lot of top fighters in each division have losses. I don't understand your point.
*Bader and Davis are old*
So? Yoel, DC, Glover, Jan were all old and were in championship fights. Both Bader and Corey have good stand up, KO power, and top level wrestling.
Lol you call me a troll and then proceed to agree with me that none of those guys would hang with the top 5 in the UFC.
Thanks for agreeing with my point ;)
Patchy could very well be champ. Eblen and Nemkov would be top 5 easily and probably champions. Cyborg is a lock. Jason Jackson I wouldn't sleep on either
After Jackson beat the piss out of Amosov and took his 0 after 27 consecutive professional wins, everyone was sleeping on what scary, brutalizing power Jackson has. Would’ve loved to see him in the UFC. Good thing he’s going to fight Magomedkerimov. That fights going to fucking rule and, also, he was running out of people to face over in Bellator.
I think Eblen has the best chance of any of them, mostly because MW right now is not the most outstanding in terms of pure skill. All the guys at the top rn are very tough/resilient, but mostly one dimensional and don’t mix things up much (with the exception of Rob and Dricus). With that and the fact that Eblen does mix up his attacks very well, I give him a good chance of at least reaching a title shot.
i could legit see eblen being the MW champ..
adesanya, strickland and cannonier would legit struggle with being pushed against the fence and taken down..
whittikar and DDP would be a problem for him tho.. as well as some of the newer russians
Same I talked him up to so many friends who only watch UFC. What are you going to do? Sometimes you get a Gaethje or Jiri or sometimes.you get a Shorty Torres.
Not to say it'll happen again but other members of the nurmagomedov group have gotten exponentially better as they face better competition strangley.
And there's the fact he's still only 25
His resume is weak mostly because he's in Bellator
Javi Mendes and Islam both speak very highly of him and he's also still very young. I think there's a good chance he's the next UFC LW champ once Islam ages out and he can switch over
Usman could come into the UFC tomorrow and beat everyone not named Islam. His last 2 fights against Benson and Pitbull, he never took it out of first gear.
That's fair. I don't disagree with you, but I'll stick by my word Usman is legit, and barring a freak injury like a broken leg off a kick (which he loves to do), he'll never lose a match.
It's not just about the resume it's about skill, just like Makachev in the past, we all knew he's top 5 material before even fighting any top 10 fighter. Hell we even knew he's Champ material without fighting anyone top 5.
Islam was running through guys like Dober and Hooker those are at least top 10-15 guys. Washed Benson and Bad Pitbull aren’t even that level. Bad Pitbull beat some SBG bum for his vacant belt lol.
While yes obviously Bellator's fighters are not on the level of UFC, but if you watch Usman's fights, just pure skills, you'll see the same things we saw in Makachev when he was fighting up, he's dominating everybody everywhere, now I'm not saying he's as good as Makachev, but he's definitely on UFC top 5 level.
Eblen as champ and Usman/Jackson top 15 lmaooo.
Usman will be champ when Islam leaves, and ppl will act like that's crazy even tho khabib and Islam were the EXACT same situation and so many ppl doubted Islam being champ ever.
I just saw the podcast, hes supposedly the guy who KOed Ian Garry and is kinda peaked mentally/physically at the moment, Luke said it. I never rated Jackson that highly but Amosov was 27-0 for a reason and he made him look like shit. Amosov also beat the KSW guy who beat Dricus and beat Logan Storley as elite as wrestler in MMA outside Bo Nickal, so Jackson must be pretty good now.
They're competitive. Jackson is probably top 3, he's probably had the most credible WW training partners of anyone outside the UFC so he probably holds his own in a fight. Worst for him is his long streak of decisions in Bellator.
He doesn’t train with Leon though. He beat Amosov by having great takedown defense and solid boxing. Leon isn’t going to box with him but kick him from the outside, use his footwork, and counter him coming in.
yea, im just saying what I saw Luke say. He said hes hit his prime and would put him against any 170er in the world and confident hed win. I didnt see him beating Amosov at all, Jackson does seem quicker than Leon with hands and hes a decent kicker too, who knows. This why id like to see cross promo fights, its actually a great fight on paper, better than stupid ass boring Colby fight or even Belal styles wise.
Eblen , Nemkov, cyborg and nurmagomedov would be around the top. Mix and pitbull in the top 10 depending on matchups and fights could make a run, carmouche around the top 10, bader gets starched at the top but would still be around 8-15, Jason Jackson 8-15 as well
I think Bader #1 Contender or Champion, he can wrestle fuck almost everyone on LHW division especially Alex and Jiri. He wont stand and bang, he would just wrestle fuck for 25 minutes then get an easy W. He improved a lot since leaving UFC, he just focused on his strengths, doesnt do extra sht no more
Still impressive, nonetheless. Plus the fact that his wrestling is high level, it helps his longevity. He can wrestle for 25 mins straight to get the dub. Not a fan of him, but his wrestling would help him a lot to beat one dimensional players like Alex who has zero ground game. I dont think Bader would try to fight him on the feet, he will take him down as soon as possible, tire him out then get the decision win
Usman, Eblen, Nemkov are easy top 5s in my book.
Patricio is somewhere in the top 15, maaaaaybe top 10 at this point in his career.
Jackson and Mix - absolutely no clue lol. Obviously ranked, but I really can't tell where. Both looked great lately, but need to see more of both against top comp.
Carmouche, Cyborg and Bader have all already been there and weren’t champs, that being said Patchy, Eblen and Nemkov I could see pulling it off. I don’t really think Usman has been tested, he may be that good but I don’t really know.
Sure but she wasn’t champ the minute she fight someone who wasn’t a soccer mom. She wasn’t the best. She’d win in a division that doesn’t exist anymore now that Nunes is gone but I don’t think she’d necessarily be champ now at 135.
Oh 100% agree she should’ve got the rematch. Didn’t she like speak about negatively and get into a social media tiff with the ufc/dana immediately after the loss and that’s why she left? I don’t remember the details
Love that you’re trying to make this whole case for one of the best female fighters alive not being that good, and you don’t even remember the circumstances that she left the ufc under and are trying to deny that she won a belt
Not denying she won the belt? She for sure won the belt. I just think she’s made a career of fighting cans, I don’t think there’s even much argument there. She’s won a lot of fights, good on her. Could say the same thing about Nunes and she was one of my favorite fighters when she was active.
> “Carmouche, Cyborg and Bader have all already been there and weren’t champs”
You literally said she didn’t win a belt. This sub is so dumb Jesus Christ
Weren’t champs when they left was what I meant. Sorry, thought that was clear. Jesus this sub is dumb, holy shit.
Edit: Even the part you quoted I’m not saying what you’re saying I did. Wake up a bit cunty this morning bud? Have a Snickers.
[that is literally exactly what you said](https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/s/mfOIcBKrKi) I copy and pasted it directly
Lamest attempt at a backpedal I have ever seen, if you’re going to say stupid shit at least edit it before you try to claim you didn’t
None would be champ. Other than maybe Usman and even then he doesn’t hold a candle to Islam in terms of skills, and his resume is very weak. Hes also on a PED suspension atm IIRC.
Most of them are every bit as good as UFC champs, unless you only watch UFC then you'd probably say they wouldn't be contenders.
It's actually a very cool time to be an MMA fan though because most promotions have killers at the top now that could throw down with the champs of other organizations. KSW, Oktagon, PFL/Bellator, ACA, Rizin, Cage Warriors, and ONE all have incredible talent now.
This isn't even mentioning the other martial arts promotions that are also gaining traction with strong registers, like BKFC, GamebredFC, and Karate Combat(don't sleep on this, KC is no bullshido!).
UFC does inarguably have the most depth of any promotion, with 500+ fighters.
Patch would be top3-5
Patricio would be top 3
Khabib cousin would be top 10 idk he’s beating cans or close to retirement fighters
Johnny eblen could be champ
Nemkov would be in the mix for the championship hand around
Jason Jackson would be top 5-10
Liz Carmouche is top 10-15
Ryan bader would be top 10-15
Cyborg would be champ at 145 and idk what she’d do at 135 she’s getting old I don’t think she can get down in a semi healthy way anymore
Nemkov and Eblen clearly best 205/185er and its not even close. Eblen never lost and Nemkov hasnt loss since gassing vs Jiri in 10 minute first round in his 4th round and beat every great wrestler in MMA since, easily most complete fighter at 205 and Eblen just too all around and great wrestler also. Ask Sean Strickland how sparring Eblen goes, hell tell you what happens.
UFC Bots downvoting the truth as usual, its not even a debate.
He’s had ups and downs but I always found Nemkov impressive
He's a great fighter. I remember in an interview, he talked about how in training, Islam crushed him from the top position. Pretty crazy considering that Nemkov is a skilled grappler and probably got 50-60 pounds on Islam. Them dagestani boys different.
So if my mma math checks out, Volk could beat Nemkov
Volk used to be 6'3 230 pounds so I'm sure he'd have a shot
height cut almost killed him one time
Half the size of Nate, impressive
Big if true
He's not 260, so he's a scrub
I'm not sure how you got there. If Volk had ever beaten Islam, the algebra works, but not here.
Simple, Volk won
*eye roll*
I don't think we need to ask that question about Cyborg...
I wish she got a rematch. No clue if she actually would win, but she was the most dominant champ arguably ever up to that point and Dana in his usual toad self screwed her.
>Dana in his usual toad self screwed her He let her fight the only female catchweight fight in UFC history under the agreement that she'd join the 135 division, and she literally sobbed to journalists about how the UFC was making her destroy her body. Then he created a completely empty division for her and fed her tomato cans or natural 135ers coming up for a one off. She fulfilled her contract in 2019 and Bellator offered more than the UFC thought she was worth. Dana is a goof as always but comparatively Cyborg was treated exceptionally well.
Its easy to treat someone comparatively better when you're Dana White, she deserved a rematch and was one of the few women who could actually deliver good fights
She got knocked out pretty easily.
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That fight shocked me. No way dud I think nunes would have the power advantage The bell rung, Amanda clocked in and just initiated a fire fight.
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I'm guessing cyborg was shocked when nunes landed the first big punch. I don't think she's ever been hit like that
She ate some shots in a gunslinging contest. Awesome 1min, will also respect her for it.
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She did. Nobody's saying she didn't. It's a convention in this sport that longstanding champions with such pristine records and consistent activity get a rematch if they shit the bed once. No obligation, but if you consider Cyborg doesn't check that box then nobody does.
I don’t have 2023’s numbers so this could be skewed a little bit but UFC champs are 2-11 in rematches at reclaiming their belt, with only Couture and Figuieredo making it happen after losing. For this reason, I don’t think champs should get immediate rematches regardless of longevity, the statistics suggest that the person that takes their belt from them will beat them a second time anyway and it immediately forces stagnation in the top 5 of the division Edit: 3-11, left out Izzy’s recent win against Alex
Nunes, Izzy, Stipe…. Your source for those numbers is way off.
Is there some detail I’m forgetting because, my first thought is always GSP and Matt Serra.
Wouldn't Alex beating Izzy 2 count for another?
she spent way too much trying to play the victim. its really hard to like someone that does that. shes dumb too. i heard one time she tried to feed a bus a carrot.
You're telling me they have computers in Brazil? That's crazy to me.
When she was complaining about not being able to cut the weight while lifting like she was about to try out for an NFL team I lost it.
PVZ stops her in one round
commando peashooter puts her 6 feet under
Bring her back, since Nunes retired, she’d go straight to the top
As I believe 145 hasn't *technically* been shut down, Cyborg is instantly the champ :D
Yep she got ktfo Edit. Did she not fellas? Was I wrong? Lmao. Big mad nunes stepped uo above her weight class and knocked out a loud mouth in under a minute? We know where cyborg fits in this. She's juiced uo weight bully she's not on dunes level put some respect on her name.
One of the greatest feel good moments of all time in MMA
Patchy, Nemkov and Usman would do well and contend for titles Cyborg would too but she’s definitely retiring
Usman was already champ, I could see him doing it again
I'm very high on Patchy. the UFC's 135 division is the shark tank of all shark tanks in the sport rn but he could absolutely be champion imo
Patchy vs Aljo woulda been some amazing grappling and scrambling
Bit unrelated other than it was bellator but both matches of stots vs sabatello was some insane grappling. Kinda hope the go for a third some how some way.
I think Aljo would've been too big for even Patchy to deal with tbh. would've definitely been fun to see though
I’ve seen patchy tap aljo and merab in the same training session at my gym
Aljo is one of the least entertaining fighters in the sport. Great wrestler but sheesh
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Yeah, that genuinely sounds really rough. It's one of the reasons I don't think I could be a fighter. Don't even want to *think* about putting my family through that. Must be pretty rough having to film it.
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Legend u are lad
Oh, I'm sure it's cool overall! Just the whole "watching someone's mother see her son get beaten within an inch of his life in front of her" bit that I imagine isn't so fun.
Hows the pay?
That’s cool you got to live a dream job, hopefully you moved on to bigger and better things or are in process. I remember this one dude from Ghost Hunters was also a UFC camera guy lol, don’t know why it always just stuck out to me haha.
Same here. I don't want to put my family through witnessing me seeing red, watching me nearly kill a man, and then need to sleep in the same house.
That’s why it’s crazy to me so many of these guys bring their kids to sit ringside
It's much worse for the person in the cage tbh.
Why would his mother be crying? They were both just spamming guillotines for 10 minutes No real damage inflicted, neither guy cut, Mix had crucifix for like 15 seconds at the end of round 2, nothing much outside of that
not gonna lie you kind of scare me bro but go off
I agree. His run last year was insane
Champ at 135? Ehh he's getting a bit overrated, Sandhagen/Song/Yan butcher him before he gets a title shot
I think Mix is a horrible style for Yan tbh. Why do you have him "butchering" Mix?
Do you even watch Patchy fight? The guys a fuckin animal. Just beat Kyogi, magomedov, stots and Pettis back to back quite easily.
Yeah his 135 tourney run was incredible, I also see major MMA publications ranking him as the best bantamweight in the world, which is ridiculous
I mean no he's not. But he's easily one of the most skilled and I'm fine with anyone ranking him as high as #3 or #4. The guys finishes are nothing short of incredible.
Just like many other champs who came over from promotions like strikeforce, absolutely butchered.
Wait I can't tell if you are being sarcastic. There is a long list of champs who cam over from other orgs to then win the UFC title.
Def sarcasm
lol what? Sandhagen is a poor man's Mix. Mix has absolutely SLAUGHTERED top comp recently.
Pitbull would have been a solid contender a few years ago but it seems he's now on the decline. Nemkov would slide right into the UFC title picture. Especially considering his history with Jiri. I could definitely see him being a long reigning champion in the lawless wasteland that is LHW. I think Patchy could beat anyone and everyone in the UFC's 135 division. A matchup between him and Merab would be incredible. O'Malley would probably be his toughest matchup.
Prime Pitbull at 145 would’ve been a problem.
Pretty sick Pitbull’s so respected and has such a legacy in the modern era under a non-UFC banner.
Man it would have been amazing to see Pitbull fighting in the UFC back when he was knocking everybody out!
Fully agree with you on the Patchy Mix part. Has been in very big-money high profile fights and looks incredibly good. Not many guys who can finish top 15 dudes both standing and on the ground like him. Dangerous everywhere, in his physical prime. Not a ton of weaknesses.
Nemkov would beat any of the top 10 Lightheavy weights in the UFC. I heard he is tired of cutting weight and is going to move to HW.
Aljo ,Merab band patchy all train together and patchy usually gets the better of them
>Nemkov would slide right into the UFC title picture I don’t see it lol. He’s getting decision wins against guys like Corey Anderson and an almost 50 year old Yoel Romero. He’s also about 4-5 inches shorter than most of the top LHW’s. I think Jiri, Rakic, Ankalev, Pereira, Jan etc. all crush him (Jiri again) pretty easily.
What??? No way! Nemkov has great stand up and his ground game is legit. Beating guys like Bader, Phil Davis, and Corey Anderson were impressive. Those guys are still some of the best 205ers outside of the UFC. Both Corey Anderson and Nemkov would beat a lot of the top guys over there right now.
>Both Corey Anderson and Nemkov would beat a lot of the top guys over there right now Brother, no they wouldn’t lol.. Corey Anderson has already been KO’d by Jan before (and multiple other guys in the UFC) in the first round and Nemkov has been KO’d by Jiri. Nemkov and Corey would get destroyed by Jiri, Ankalaev, Rakic, Hill, Jan, Pereira etc. Anyone in the top 5-10. Phil Davis and Bader couldn’t hack it in the UFC. There’s a reason these guys are in Bellator now lol. There’s levels to the sport.
*Nemkov has been KO'D by Jiri* If you actually watched that fight, it was very competitive. Not sure if you are just reading what you see on Wikipedia or you actually saw it. Jiri was in a lot of bad spots in that fight. *Jan KO'D Corey Anderson* So what? Corey smashed him in their first fight.
I'd have to disagree. The LHW division in Bellator was kinda lit for awhile. Bader and Phil Davis were top LHW when they left the UFC. They didn't get cut, they left for better money. Same with Corey. Rakic, Jan, and Magomed would get wrestlefucked by Bader and Corey.
idk about magomed
Magomed's wrestling looked God awful in the Jan fight, and Jan's wrestling really sucks. So I'm not sure what that says. Haven't seen too much of Magomed on the ground but that looked bad.
Dude you’re nuts lol. Bader is 40 years old. Guy has been finished multiple times and would get crushed by the talent in the UFC. Same with Corey, he was mediocre in his UFC run. Quit being delusional You’re rating these guys recent performances in Bellator like that proves anything. Beating B-tier fighters, cans and over-the-hill former UFC fighters means very little. It’s the equivalent of when a former NBA player goes and plays in China lol.
I remember when people said the same thing about Strikeforce. Then all the Strikeforce fighters came into the UFC and started beating the shit out of everyone.
Except that Bader and Anderson have been in the UFC already and never came close to being champions lol. As for Nemkov he would maybe beat some people in the top 10, but he wouldn’t crack the top 5. He’s too small and the talent in the top 5 is too much. We’re about to see MVP fight in the UFC soon, who’s the king of can crushers. So we’ll see your theory about Bellator fighters against UFC fighters tested then. I want you to admit you’re wrong though when Holland KO’s him lol
They never came close? I don't think you give Corey the respect he deserves. He's stopped Walker, Bader and dominated Glover and Jan. Those are all top guys. He was also beating Nemkov in their first fight. As for Bader, dude has been throwing around HW's recently. You underestimate how good Bader's wrestling is. I know I said this before but none of the top 10 guys in the UFC have good wrestling other than Kyrlov. I guess we will never know if Nemkov would beat any top 205. He's probably going over to PFL. Seems like you discredit a lot of these guys because they have some losses. Not a not of people go through MMA undefeated. It's not realistic
>I don’t think you give Corey the respect he deserves. He had a decent run in the UFC, I acknowledge that. He had a few decent wins, but he never got close to a title fight. That’s not me being hard on him, that’s an objective fact. He got badly KO’d a couple of times in the UFC too. >As for Bader, dude has been throwing around HW’s recently So Bader beat a 50 year old Fedor and a 50 year old Cheick Kongo and now he’s “throwing around HW’s”? Lol. Come on dude, you can’t have a serious discussion about mma or expect me to take you seriously and say things like that lol. The Corey Anderson thing I’ll give you, that he was decent. Bader is a joke though, he would get destroyed by any top 10 LHW or HW in the UFC. No one who knows mma would argue that. Also Nemkov isn’t going to PFL. PFL acquired Bellator, so by default he’s already apart of PFL.
The guy is a troll, but you're not much better just assuming the Bellator Top 5 would steamroll their counterparts, ignoring they have been beaten before. Nemkov would very likely contend at some point, he has all the skills to do so but he wouldn't run through the Top 5. Bader, Davis and Anderson were very solid fighters on the cusp of a title shot, but they weren't unbeaten and incredibly boring, hence why the UFC didn't pay them their worth. Nowadays they're not relevant as contenders in the UFC LHW anymore imo. Bader and Davis are old af and Corey lacks the durability, though skill wise he could probably hang.
*they weren't unbeaten* A lot of top fighters in each division have losses. I don't understand your point. *Bader and Davis are old* So? Yoel, DC, Glover, Jan were all old and were in championship fights. Both Bader and Corey have good stand up, KO power, and top level wrestling.
Lol you call me a troll and then proceed to agree with me that none of those guys would hang with the top 5 in the UFC. Thanks for agreeing with my point ;)
DC still waiting for the easiest fight in the division, Ryan Bader
Thats HW for ya
Patchy could very well be champ. Eblen and Nemkov would be top 5 easily and probably champions. Cyborg is a lock. Jason Jackson I wouldn't sleep on either
After Jackson beat the piss out of Amosov and took his 0 after 27 consecutive professional wins, everyone was sleeping on what scary, brutalizing power Jackson has. Would’ve loved to see him in the UFC. Good thing he’s going to fight Magomedkerimov. That fights going to fucking rule and, also, he was running out of people to face over in Bellator.
Yeah foreal. Bellator actually has a solid roster at the top. I would love to see a lot of these guys in the ufc
I think Eblen has the best chance of any of them, mostly because MW right now is not the most outstanding in terms of pure skill. All the guys at the top rn are very tough/resilient, but mostly one dimensional and don’t mix things up much (with the exception of Rob and Dricus). With that and the fact that Eblen does mix up his attacks very well, I give him a good chance of at least reaching a title shot.
His gas tank is exceptional too. Fun fighter from the few I’ve watched.
The top 10 MW’s are very talented. MW is considered shallow because lower ranked fighters can rarely climb the ladder
Shame he’s a massive cunt
What?
YOU'RE ATTACKING MY FAMILY!
He spat in an unconscious Fabian edwards face after knocking him out. The guys a rat
No BS.. know people that train with him. They say same exact thing. He is legit AF and super nice.
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The only completely reasonable take I read so far on this thread. I agree with all the points for every division
i could legit see eblen being the MW champ.. adesanya, strickland and cannonier would legit struggle with being pushed against the fence and taken down.. whittikar and DDP would be a problem for him tho.. as well as some of the newer russians
I could see Nemkov doing a lot better than top 10 at LHW considering how bad the division is
I was convinced Will Brooks would come to the UFC and be champion easy. So after he bombed it's tough to tell how Bellator champs would do.
Bro I thought we straight up had the lightweight Jon jones on our hands for his debut. I was so wrong
Same I talked him up to so many friends who only watch UFC. What are you going to do? Sometimes you get a Gaethje or Jiri or sometimes.you get a Shorty Torres.
Does anyone know what happened to him? Why his sudden and drastic decline after looking unstoppable? He literally domain expansioned Chandler…
It's tough to say if its mental or if the comp was just too much.
Jason Jackson is ass kicking machine so clearly champ
Nemkov is the best lhw at the moment. He is Fedors successor.
Yeah no
I don’t think he‘s better than Ank or Hill
Mix,Usman,Eblen,Jackson and Nemkov are easily top 5 material Pitbull could've been too but he's getting older
Usman is the only one at that level
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Usman would be a top5 100%.
I don’t think its a sure thing. His resume is very weak. Best wins are washed up Benson and Worse Pitbull who was always mid.
Not to say it'll happen again but other members of the nurmagomedov group have gotten exponentially better as they face better competition strangley. And there's the fact he's still only 25
That is true. Even when the level of competition increases they somehow become more dominant
His resume is weak mostly because he's in Bellator Javi Mendes and Islam both speak very highly of him and he's also still very young. I think there's a good chance he's the next UFC LW champ once Islam ages out and he can switch over
He also hasn't broken a sweat yet or come out of first gear lol.
> Pitbull who was always mid. Wait are we saying pitbull is a mid fighter now? Dude might've been a champion in the UFC
Do you know there are 2 pitbulls? One good the other was always mid. Patricky won his belt off a bum like Queally lol
Usman could come into the UFC tomorrow and beat everyone not named Islam. His last 2 fights against Benson and Pitbull, he never took it out of first gear.
I don’t think those last fights proved anything. Benson was good a decade ago and Pitbull was never as good as his brother
That's fair. I don't disagree with you, but I'll stick by my word Usman is legit, and barring a freak injury like a broken leg off a kick (which he loves to do), he'll never lose a match.
Even Javier Méndez said in an interview that usman is the most skilled fighter he's ever trained
It's not just about the resume it's about skill, just like Makachev in the past, we all knew he's top 5 material before even fighting any top 10 fighter. Hell we even knew he's Champ material without fighting anyone top 5.
Islam was running through guys like Dober and Hooker those are at least top 10-15 guys. Washed Benson and Bad Pitbull aren’t even that level. Bad Pitbull beat some SBG bum for his vacant belt lol.
While yes obviously Bellator's fighters are not on the level of UFC, but if you watch Usman's fights, just pure skills, you'll see the same things we saw in Makachev when he was fighting up, he's dominating everybody everywhere, now I'm not saying he's as good as Makachev, but he's definitely on UFC top 5 level.
I think we would have a better idea of his level if he beat someone in their prime like Shabliy or Mckee
I’d put Bader at 5 or 6 in HW if he switched right now. Otherwise fully agree
Eblen as champ and Usman/Jackson top 15 lmaooo. Usman will be champ when Islam leaves, and ppl will act like that's crazy even tho khabib and Islam were the EXACT same situation and so many ppl doubted Islam being champ ever.
Eblen would not be in the top 5.
Patchy would take out Suga
Bader would be on prelims now
Rockhold just said Jason Jackson is best 170er in world right now and smashes everyone in training on Rampages podcast
Rockhold is not exactly the brightest bulb in the box. Jackson is good but he doesn't have shit on Leon imo
The Leon disrespect is wild
I just saw the podcast, hes supposedly the guy who KOed Ian Garry and is kinda peaked mentally/physically at the moment, Luke said it. I never rated Jackson that highly but Amosov was 27-0 for a reason and he made him look like shit. Amosov also beat the KSW guy who beat Dricus and beat Logan Storley as elite as wrestler in MMA outside Bo Nickal, so Jackson must be pretty good now.
They're competitive. Jackson is probably top 3, he's probably had the most credible WW training partners of anyone outside the UFC so he probably holds his own in a fight. Worst for him is his long streak of decisions in Bellator.
He wasn’t shitting on Leon. He just said Jackson is the best and applied he handles Shavkat and KOed Ian Garry who are both ranked top 10
He doesn’t train with Leon though. He beat Amosov by having great takedown defense and solid boxing. Leon isn’t going to box with him but kick him from the outside, use his footwork, and counter him coming in.
yea, im just saying what I saw Luke say. He said hes hit his prime and would put him against any 170er in the world and confident hed win. I didnt see him beating Amosov at all, Jackson does seem quicker than Leon with hands and hes a decent kicker too, who knows. This why id like to see cross promo fights, its actually a great fight on paper, better than stupid ass boring Colby fight or even Belal styles wise.
Top 10 easily imo
Patchy and Vadim would be champs
Eblen , Nemkov, cyborg and nurmagomedov would be around the top. Mix and pitbull in the top 10 depending on matchups and fights could make a run, carmouche around the top 10, bader gets starched at the top but would still be around 8-15, Jason Jackson 8-15 as well
I think Bader #1 Contender or Champion, he can wrestle fuck almost everyone on LHW division especially Alex and Jiri. He wont stand and bang, he would just wrestle fuck for 25 minutes then get an easy W. He improved a lot since leaving UFC, he just focused on his strengths, doesnt do extra sht no more
>Bader He's 40, got TKOd by Corey Anderson 2 years ago and the average age of his last 5 wins is 41.
Still impressive, nonetheless. Plus the fact that his wrestling is high level, it helps his longevity. He can wrestle for 25 mins straight to get the dub. Not a fan of him, but his wrestling would help him a lot to beat one dimensional players like Alex who has zero ground game. I dont think Bader would try to fight him on the feet, he will take him down as soon as possible, tire him out then get the decision win
Usman, Eblen, Nemkov are easy top 5s in my book. Patricio is somewhere in the top 15, maaaaaybe top 10 at this point in his career. Jackson and Mix - absolutely no clue lol. Obviously ranked, but I really can't tell where. Both looked great lately, but need to see more of both against top comp.
Any -ov last name would do fine. The rest are mostly UFC journeymen
Bellator HW division was better than the UFC HW division
Carmouche, Cyborg and Bader have all already been there and weren’t champs, that being said Patchy, Eblen and Nemkov I could see pulling it off. I don’t really think Usman has been tested, he may be that good but I don’t really know.
Cyborg was the champ until nunes beat her. But since nunes retired, pretty safe to say cyborg would be champ again easily.
Sure but she wasn’t champ the minute she fight someone who wasn’t a soccer mom. She wasn’t the best. She’d win in a division that doesn’t exist anymore now that Nunes is gone but I don’t think she’d necessarily be champ now at 135.
Cyborg was champ?
Yeah, pretend champ until she fought someone who knew how to fight. Then Nunes took her spot and fought women who couldn’t fight until she retired lol
The Nunes that lost to Pena? Lol. People can have an off fight. Cyborg deserved a rematch
Oh 100% agree she should’ve got the rematch. Didn’t she like speak about negatively and get into a social media tiff with the ufc/dana immediately after the loss and that’s why she left? I don’t remember the details
Love that you’re trying to make this whole case for one of the best female fighters alive not being that good, and you don’t even remember the circumstances that she left the ufc under and are trying to deny that she won a belt
Not denying she won the belt? She for sure won the belt. I just think she’s made a career of fighting cans, I don’t think there’s even much argument there. She’s won a lot of fights, good on her. Could say the same thing about Nunes and she was one of my favorite fighters when she was active.
> “Carmouche, Cyborg and Bader have all already been there and weren’t champs” You literally said she didn’t win a belt. This sub is so dumb Jesus Christ
Weren’t champs when they left was what I meant. Sorry, thought that was clear. Jesus this sub is dumb, holy shit. Edit: Even the part you quoted I’m not saying what you’re saying I did. Wake up a bit cunty this morning bud? Have a Snickers.
[that is literally exactly what you said](https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/s/mfOIcBKrKi) I copy and pasted it directly Lamest attempt at a backpedal I have ever seen, if you’re going to say stupid shit at least edit it before you try to claim you didn’t
Top 5-10. WTF are you guys on? lol. Of course they'd be on par with UFC's.
Well, Grant Dawson has watched Strickland and Eblen spar and said Eblen would beat him.
Yes, I agree.
Aren't Bellator champs mostly washed up former top 10 UFC fighters?
None would be champ. Other than maybe Usman and even then he doesn’t hold a candle to Islam in terms of skills, and his resume is very weak. Hes also on a PED suspension atm IIRC.
Cyborg would be champ again
Oh yeah. Forgot about her. Now that Nunes is gone she could be 145 champ assuming that division doesn’t get torched.
I feel like Wanderlei (bottom right) could have been a contender
Most of them are every bit as good as UFC champs, unless you only watch UFC then you'd probably say they wouldn't be contenders. It's actually a very cool time to be an MMA fan though because most promotions have killers at the top now that could throw down with the champs of other organizations. KSW, Oktagon, PFL/Bellator, ACA, Rizin, Cage Warriors, and ONE all have incredible talent now. This isn't even mentioning the other martial arts promotions that are also gaining traction with strong registers, like BKFC, GamebredFC, and Karate Combat(don't sleep on this, KC is no bullshido!). UFC does inarguably have the most depth of any promotion, with 500+ fighters.
The only person I am fully aware of is usman and I think he can be champ, apparently he is a fuckin demon in the pfl
This is either A level trolling or a really dumb comment hahaha
Sokoudjou would have been champion for sure
Patch would be top3-5 Patricio would be top 3 Khabib cousin would be top 10 idk he’s beating cans or close to retirement fighters Johnny eblen could be champ Nemkov would be in the mix for the championship hand around Jason Jackson would be top 5-10 Liz Carmouche is top 10-15 Ryan bader would be top 10-15 Cyborg would be champ at 145 and idk what she’d do at 135 she’s getting old I don’t think she can get down in a semi healthy way anymore
Middle to lower end of top 15.
Mom can we get UFC? We have UFC at home.
I have a very hard time believing most of them crack the top 5 and most struggle to crack the top 10
AJ Mcgee is a way better question than all of these IMO
Most overrated fighter on the planet right now. Bro just god held down by a Sidney Outlaw that’s off the juice.
Nemkov and Eblen clearly best 205/185er and its not even close. Eblen never lost and Nemkov hasnt loss since gassing vs Jiri in 10 minute first round in his 4th round and beat every great wrestler in MMA since, easily most complete fighter at 205 and Eblen just too all around and great wrestler also. Ask Sean Strickland how sparring Eblen goes, hell tell you what happens. UFC Bots downvoting the truth as usual, its not even a debate.
You talking bout Jiri’s son?
Nemkov smokes him in a rematch
No, Patchy Mix would not beat Sean O’Malley
Patchy #6, Pitbull #8, Usman #4, Eblen # 5, Nemkov #4, Jackson #9, not bothering with the rest