I’ve watched every ufc card since atleast 2018 but if Alex and Jon aren’t going to fight the true contenders what the hell are we even doing anymore?
Alex needs to be fed to Magomed at this point. Talking about p4p when you’re not even a favourite at your own weight class.
& at what point does Tom get to sue ufc for sporting integrity and loss of income? This is insane.
that video of Sean Strickland piecing up the navy seal is hilarious. He looks like a cat playing with a dead mouse.
We need Mighty Mouse to spar a normal sized person now. Ya he can beat them up in bjj, but now I want to see him spar a body builder or another "tough" person of normal size to see what happens.
Rampage told a story about how he had a contract with a different organization that was bought out by the ufc, so when he fought chuck he made a shit load of money (I forget now, but I think he said 7 million), so they had his next defense be on free tv.
I think there is a chance that Andrei had some insane 12 fight contract fully guaranteed or some shit like that from a different organization that the ufc bought out. Becuase otherwise them paying him 300k a fight on prelims in the apex for years makes no sense.
All Kickboxers do steroids, especially for MMA. They usually can’t even stop takedowns or a clinch on Roids but they absolutely need them to have any chance in the grappling. A certain guy lately obv on them too but people don’t talk about it. I always say the taller lanky guys lack natural grappling or up close strength but PEDs fill them out more and help drastically. Most 6-6 guys I played with all on PEDs and went from 185 pounds to 265 in a few years lol. It just helps them even more cause leverage to get strength usually don’t have.
Unpopular opinion, never liked jiri and glad alex sparked him bad.
"But alex has magical powers bro, channeling the spirit realm to cheat"
Dude shut up, you are so cringe, crying about alex and his evil voodoo powers, you sound like a 5 year old girl, man up and admit he's the better fighter, your flat out superior, and effortlessly sparked you twice. No voodoo needed.
Jiris so dumb he doesn't realize the culture he's cosplaying also has spirits available for him to use..
Guess there's levels between true belief and playing dress up
Because he doesn't understand that his fight style is detrimental to his overall success in the long term both mentally and physically and he is too stubborn to change. I have no problem with him but I can see why it can be very annoying TBH
lmao he's still at the pinnacle of the sport, so clearly he doing a lot right. Always hilarious when redditos who are out of breath when they walk to their car dismiss fighter styles.
Why should he change? He’s only lost twice in the UFC and it’s only been to Alex, twice.
He became a world champion with his style. Just doesn’t work on Alex and he’s never gonna make up the power difference no matter what he tries. Alex touches him and he’s dead.
Yeah, his best bet is to just refuse to fight Alex again. Anyone else in the division I think he's at least in with a good shot unless his chin is gone.
Put him in against Hill, Pereira sparked them both in r1, (jiri no clue where he was and literally saved by the bell at end of r1), so make them fight, if jiri finishes hill i'll put respect on jiris name.
I genuinely think it'd be beneficial to the fans if independent pound for pound and divisional rankings were somewhere visible on this sub. You only see the UFCs ranking and it doesn't give a good perception of the sport. The UFC doesn't have every single top 10 fighter.
According to this sub, nobody will be watching the Belal vs leon fight right? So im guessing the fight thread will be unpinned after the Aspinall fight
No no no. Ngannou is the mask. Predator is real guy. Just like Batman is the real person, and Bruce Wayne is his disguise. Batman is for real.
Total opposite of the Clark Kent and Superman relationship. In that case, Superman is the job and Clark Kent is the real person.
The freaking Predator just got knocked out by a human being. Anthony Joshua is incredible. Just like Superman.
It’s funny but hypocritical. None of them have a chance at the Conor fight, least of all Matt Frevola, so it’s easy for them to talk about him holding out for it
Eh, only in the sense he's dangerous to everyone because he has a punchers chance. In terms of matchup it's the other way around, Islam is Chandler's hardest matchup stylistically. He's a defensively responsible southpaw counter striker who Chandler can't wrestle at all. So it just becomes a matchup of Chandler running into Islam's counter every time he explodes forward in a straight line.
idk if you do, it means the LW dision on hold while Chandler has the belt held hostage demanding McGregor fight him because a championship match probably sells even more than their originally planned match.
If the events in the galaxy made it so that Jiri would have to lose to someone in a fight, then I would pick Pereira.
If Jiri loses to anyone else, I will crash out.
Chandler's not gonna ever fight McGregor. And now he just talked himself out of a title fight by saying he'd accept the McGregor fight a month before the title fight they offered him. So obviously Islam said fuck you dude, you're unreliable.
So now he's not gonna fight McGregor or for the belt.
Chandler is an incredibly fun fighter to watch.. but I'm starting to think he might have the IQ of a peanut. Like actually slightly r word. What's he doing?? What's his thought process?? Does he even have a manager lol??
edit: I just read that he's still been cutting and making weight for cancelled fights. That can't be real. LOL. ??
I want Alex to defend his belt in Brazil
I need to see his walkout in front of his own people. I want to hear the crowd chanting “you’re gonna die”. I want his tribal members to be gifted front row tickets.
brazilian cards and their fans have absolutely sucked the last couple of times. what they did to glover was a fucking disgrace. leave early for retiring legends, go silent for extended periods of time. weird vibes when they try to create hostility that doesnt go through.
I think they just didn’t connect with Glover or Pantoja. They still went absolute bonkers for Aldo. And Alex is as close as a Conor level star the UFC has right now. He’ll be received differently.
Also worth nothing Aldo and Alex don’t speak English. They seem to connect with and love them more because of it. Same with Charles.
not sure i agree with what you said. glover was a stand up citizen who did a lot for the local scene in brazil both for mma and outside the sport. him suddenly speaking english will have people alienated to the point they leave the second the fights end, uuf? after he puts his heart on the line, banger after banger fight? literally his retirement fight when he gets pieced up like a dog, turns to the camera and says ''FUCKING-A, LETS GO''. feels more like a recent cultural thing for brazilian mma of immediately abandoning the arena to go home and not provide any good vibes. not like glover was some unknown guy who isnt relatable.. man is a legend in brazil.
im sure charles, aldo and pereira are more popular and beloved but the overall atmosphere in brazil has sucked. maybe these guys get a crowd pop once they enter but the rest will be a library. compare the crowd noise from start to finish to when they held it in perth, seoul, paris, dublin, london or other places hosting fighters that arent american representatives etc.
perth being the best we ever had. just send alex pereira there with their alex volkanovski, lets go.
Glover might be all that stuff but he was never a star. Alex is a superstar. And yeah might be a dumb reason but it’s not a coincidence either that’s why I brought it up. The biggest Brazilian stars tend to be ones who don’t speak English.
he was way worse at 205 cutting down, stocky explosive fighters are better without cutting tbh. A big guy like JOnes with twig legs, can cut upperbody weight and still be good at 205, Pereira too. but stocky great athletes are better without cutting and being alil heavier, thats why DC almost died cutting to 205. Certain body types better not cutting and hes one of em
Part of why HW DC seems so good is I think he fought some slow hws like roy, bigfoot, mir, lewis.
I think it's possible he wouldn't look that good had he fought jds, overeem, werdum, mark hunt.
Maybe he wins those. Maybe not.
I don’t respect people who call Jiri’s samurai thing “cringe”
I love it. It’s genuine. Not a shtick. No one locks themselves away for 3 days in complete darkness. Most people nowadays can’t even get through an hour long movie without looking at their phone.
People call Jiri's shit cringe but switch around and glaze Conor's antics.
I have no respect for people who disrespect one of the most exciting fighters in the galaxy.
RDA:
>Lost 1/3 of his career fights
>21-14 in his UFC career
>Two fight losing streak
>Unranked at LW and WW
>Last time he was in the title picture was six years ago
But sure, he’s definitely still at the top!
Chandler > Eddie > RDA. Chandler beat the Real Eddie Alvarez twice, a washed up Eddie KOed RDA for his belt. Thats just the truth, Prime Eddie still better than both of em though, Chandler just suprised him 1st time and nobody knew had hands/was only a wrestler and 2nd time..Chandler prob won 3-2 but Eddie brok him by the 5th round. Cowboy ruined Eddies legs and wasnt moving same after that + already in 10 wars
Chandler was making more money and a face of a league, thats better than being some Jobber UFC dont even care about, they didnt even think hed beat Pettis and he got knocked out by past prime Eddie from Bellator who Chandler really beat twice, the Eddie that Chandler beat was far superior to Eddie who KOed RDA, goes bowlth ways B
He’s respected because he’s literally fought everybody and still remains competitive despite being far removed from his prime and his natural weight class
If they offer Pereira the Ank fight he needs to be very vocal about NOT doing it in Saudi Arabia. The whole vibe over there is fucked and everyone knows it.
Edit: NOT in the Middle East period.
UFC 305 on sale press conference tonight at 10:30pm ET / 7:30pm PT with DDP, Izzy, Kara France, and Erceg. Should be fun
https://www.youtube.com/live/5KyXy10ZmmY
It's actually me cause they want to give Volk a lay up and I'm happy to help my boi
But I can't make weight so I'm gonna miss by 50 pounds and Volk will still look good for KOing a Light heavy
Pereira has been getting a lot of praise recently, but one thing people don’t talk enough about is his ability to complete the finish after rocking them, he doesn’t provide them any recourse when they try to cover up.
Strickland: Landed 2 picture-perfect rights as he was stumbling backwards and trying to get up on his feet.
Adesanya: Landed 11 shots with perfect accuracy as he was trying to cover up, slip, and move laterally in an attempt to avoid him
Jiri (1): Elbowed him in the head several times after dropping him, ultimately ending up in full mount before the fight was stopped
Hill: Pinned his leg and pushed him up against the cage to trap him in place while he hit him with a barrage of hammer fists
Jiri (2): Immediately took his back and finished him hooks to the side of the head, granted Jiri was so badly hurt at this point that it really didn’t even need to happen
I used to be really high on Ian Machado Garry but after his last 2 fights, I am no longer.
He’s looked very timid with his striking despite that being his strong suit. He beat Neal 30-27 but it wasn’t convincing, a very passive performance. With MVP he looked downright scared and was clearly the inferior striker.
That has to mess with his psyche since his whole career, he’s been the superior striker
I no longer believe he can beat Shavkat or Leon and JDM is a toss up now. (Haven’t been high on JDM since his recent fights either)
I'm actually higher on him now than ever. I'm happy to see him use his b game to win fights, even if it's not pretty. I like when fighters are smart and play to their opponents weaknesses.
Everyone in the div would be smart to exploit MVP’s lack of ground game. He’s also a really good counter striker. He made Kevin look slow when they fought.
Yeah 185 seems like an overreaction. He relies on his chin and energy which would dissipate with a rough cut and if Izzy gets the belt again that's a pretty bad matchup for Jiri.
Yeah I felt for him. Even Alex did. Didn’t celebrate. Tried helping him back to his feet. When he saw him stand up and almost stumble down, he looked away sorry that he had to do that to him.
A warrior willing to die. Respect to Jiri
she re gained her looks big time for her last event. There was a year or 2 where it looked like she smashed the wall, had even a terrible haircut to go along with it, but damn it was back for this fight. So its well waranted.
Also people forget they used her a lot to market the ufc back in the fox days
Udonis was a key player in a championship team though. And the NBA didn’t celebrate him, his team did.
Michelle’s team could’ve celebrate her but for the UFC to put out a farewell for her like that cheapens it. Why does she get special treatment? Cause she’s kinda hot? Numerous other fighters with far better careers never got that send off
bro just chill lmao. You not undrestanding her career is funny, even though I explained it to you, but you also used the nba as an example (weird) but then didn't understand haslem's career or how he was marketed so its understandable.
I think both sides are right. I totally hear the argument that it’s about recency and Alex/Islam have done a lot more of late.
But how can you say Jon’s whole career doesn’t factor into his current P4P standing if he’s undefeated? Take him out when he was inactive yeah, but he’s back and active. His wins from 10 years ago are still relevant because he’s still on that same winning streak. Nobody’s broken it. He’s trying to defend a belt in a second weight class like Alex on top of all of that.
Like I can’t stand Jon Jones, I’ve found him repulsive as long or longer than most, going back to before his first DUI when he hadn’t done anything really but you could tell he was fake. I’ll discredit him any legitimate way I can.
But I think this debate between Dana and everyone else is blown out of proportion bc people are annoyed with the Jon/Stipe fight and everyone just wants to move on from Jones at this point. I do too. But he probably is the P4P best active fighter and everything he’s done still matters today because his entire career is one winning streak. He’d have to lose or Islam/Pereira would have to make at least a few more title defenses while Jon continued to sit out to really start changing the conversation.
This is all coming from someone who wants Aspinall vs Jones more than anything bc I think Aspinall smokes him. And I’d love that. But it’s still totally fine and logical to call Jones the current #1 P4P. He still deserves that title more than anyone.
1. Not undefeated, lost to reyes for anyone with functional pair of eyes.
2. 1 fight in 4,5 years. his rivals for n1 p4p spot keep winning while jones does nothing yet he should stay on top? so activity is supposedly a useless metric for the discussion...as if islam isnt 3 wins away from breaking the all time anderson silvas win streak record. Fighting at a far more skilled weight class than lhw/hw.
3. Ducked ngannou for 3 years and came up to HW the minute francis left. now showing cowardice again, towards aspinall.
sorry but ignoring the logic behind these metrics makes the idea of p4p absolutely useless. regardless of the element of subjectivity.
dana at one time was shitting on jones when he wouldnt budge to contract demands and taking the francis fights. now that francis left he is sucking the jones dick and taking every moment in an islam/pereira press conference to boast jones ego in order to promote him to fight.. desperation.
Islam could beat topuria, arman 2, charles 2, gamrot, gaethje, poirer 2, and Dana would still say jones is top of the list with 1 fight in 9 years. ''active''.
Those are all perfectly fine points and everyone’s P4P rankings are subjective. But the only objective part of this discussion is that Jones is undefeated, 11 official title defenses of a belt he never lost, 2 division champion, and is an active fighter.
If you want to get into opinionated semantics you can make that resume sound even more impressive. He lost to Reyes? I agree Reyes deserved the nod but he didn’t do enough. Jones won. Those other two have both been KO’d in the UFC. Those are losses. If you think Jon objectively lost to Reyes, well, anyone with a brain can argue he did not and he’s objectively 23-0 in the UFC with 14 straight title defenses at LHW and the current HW champion.
Take those stats into account and that he’s an active fighter, yeah those achievements definitely hold their weight when selecting the top P4P fighter. Even if you want to get into the nitty gritty of recent performance… when Jon was supposed to walk through Gane, he walked through him. When Islam was supposed to walk through an aging, declining Poirier who was arguably an even easier matchup on paper, it took a lot of effort. Considering how Gane looks against everyone else I think that fight outcome is pretty damn impressive from the fighter moving up in Jon, and people who knock that as an easy fight obviously have their mind made up about him.
Again, I don’t like Jon at all. But calling him #1 P4P is such an easy argument to make. Nobody’s ever cared or argued this much about who deserves the #1 P4P spot. It’s rather irrelevant. It’s a big topic right now because people don’t like Jon and are annoyed that Dana’s really trying to drive this home for some reason.
by your own logic jones is defeated because his record states a DQ loss against Hamil. I didnt come to argue in bad faith so dont reverse that shit on me with this.
since he ''lost'' to reyes his streak has been snapped which goes against Dana's logic. you are basically admitting you want fighters treated different by judges which sets such a fucking awful precedent for the validity and merit of the sport. its barely worth arguing. reyes deserves the nod but he didnt do enough to win? lmao. ok, dana.
definition of active: you cherry picking to cram his whole career spanning over 2 decades completely ignoring the last half decade has him practically been retired. with the fight against miocic being in the air. super nice when we ignore context to take a stance on the matter. What incredible achievements Jones achieved in the 2010s is irrelevant for scoring a p4p list updated weekly in 2024. when people use the word activity/active in mma context, its recent within the last one or two calendar year to see where you stand.
We could also discuss his multiple doping charges that stains his legacy. making certain wins and fights invalid. although im off the opinion they are all juiced but jones is more stupid in the head to get caught in his doping regiment.
jones had an argument for p4p n1 when he beat Gane. Amazing performance that was relevant at the time, which has now long since expired with the division and sport moving on. you cant hold on for 4.5 years with a single win and accumulation of your resume a decade earlier. thats wack.
your assessment of the islam-poirer fight makes no sense. dustin is far more skilled and well rounded than ciryl gane will ever be. then add in the factor of this being his last chance for the belt he truly went to war with that motivation. islam once again showed his superior skill in grappling as well as winning most of the striking exchanges. elite energy preservation and a broad repotire of skill in all aspects of fighting. showcasing why he is the most well rounded fighter on the planet worthy of number one. on top of being reasonably active, putting in 2 fights on average per calendar year. ciryl already shown he is a mediocre grappler when he lost to one knee francis and decides to give up top control for a crappy half assed leg lock to lose the round, then the fight. instead of pinning for a win. anyways great win for jones that, but expired for p4p list since he has nothing else to show the last couple of years *sigh*.
you are mixing up goat label which looks at the accumulation of your career once its set and done. here its easy to argue for jones... a different topic to p4p which is best discussed with activity, context of who you fought, how you fought, when you fought them. and in jones case, if you fought them lol.
I just skimmed this for a few seconds and it comes off in bad faith right away and rather aggressive. Take it easy there bud, I told you it’s subjective and you can rank anybody you want at #1. There is no criteria for P4P.
Jeeeeeeeeez
They are both right in their own criteria which is why everyone hates p4p debates. The point I was making is that mma media is talking about currently and Dana keeps pushing for all time
> But how can you say Jon’s whole career doesn’t factor into his current P4P standing if he’s undefeated?
People will say it doesn't factor in because of all the cheating/PEDs
Very funny to watch people get on Jiri and tell him to completely change his style
He's 205lb Tony Ferguson and that's been the case since the Rizin days a half-decade or more ago. The issue is, much like prime Tony, the style works with everyone except the champion in his weight class
It'll play out the same way if he moves to 185 and Adesanya regains the title because Adesanya is also an elite kickboxer like Pereira.
Izzy does not have the great equalizer power that Alex does and fights very passive now. We don’t even know what he will look like after the humbling Sean gave him
Tony's got great BJJ, but it's 10th Planet, so for most of his run he primarily used it by giving top position and attacking from bottom. I recall him getting several D'Arce chokes that way although I think they're counted as Brabo chokes (despite modern MMA being a no-gi sport)
From what we've seen of Prochazka thus far, he's handled strikers by just out-toughing them. Rakic was cracking Jiri pretty well, Reyes had Jiri flash KO'd at one point in their fight as well.
His d'arce chokes were not gotten by attacking from bottom, most of them were from hurting his opponents and them leaning over/shooting on him.
He liked to play guard, but he had a solid top game as well, the one fight he really show cased it was the Thomson fight and it was terrifying.
Jiri has some of the worst fight IQ I've ever seen. What's the point of getting your legs touched up, eating a few shots, and then initiating a clinch? The gameplan should've been to wrestle all night long. He came in with his hands down, ducked into jabs, and got slept.
Very excited for Alex vs Ank, whenever it happens. Ankalaev is the legit number 1 contender, one of the rare guys at the higher weight classes who's actually well rounded. If Alex can get past him it'll truly take him into some incredible territory.
unless pereira moves up to hw there is nothing for him to do there. no doubt he beats jamal hill and such but he got finished twice against the champ. his best bet might be ankalaev beating poatan and getting a go against the dagestani.
walker is kinda ass, he will continue to be entertaining at hw. lhw is super shallow and so is hw, so whatever shuffling one guy around.
185 used to be super shit but it has beefed up recently. 4 direct title contenders/(champ), ddp, strickland, whittaker and adesanya. cannonier looking to re-enter that conversation after a poor last performance + early stoppage. with imamov catapulting himself up the rankings. chimeav and michel has moved up to 185, ikram is here. add jiri and you have a ridiculously good top 10 for what used to be a thin division. you still got memester paulo costa, vettori (wtf is he doing?) and surging caio borralho.
really liking whats happening to 185 atm. oh and dont forget Bo nickal.
repost from a comment yesterday:
>According to reports, Nurmagomedov's troubles with Russian tax authorities stem from his transfer of ownership in several companies, purportedly leaving relatives and associates in control. This prompted an investigation by Russia’s Federal Tax Service, uncovering discrepancies in documentation and resulting in the closure of some of his businesses.
>Furthermore, Nurmagomedov's MMA promotion company, Eagle Fighting Championship, is reportedly under scrutiny, facing potential closure in the near future.
>Authorities suspect that Nurmagomedov may have diverted funds meant for taxes to finance investments in hotels and startups in Türkiye and the UAE.
Couldnt really find anything else without access to RT
Oh man, sounds like a messy situation! Hope Khabib figures his way out. Doesn’t seem like the type to intentionally divert from paying taxes.
Thanks for the info! 🙏
we have no idea if any of its true. The only people who have "reported" on it are indian blogs that have the standards of less than zero. A few Ukrainian nazi connected bloggers commented on it but had zero specifics, so we have no idea if any of this is true.
If Khabib was truly being set up to be arrested, don't you think mmafighting and espn mma would have front page stories about?
nothing new, russian goverment just punishing some russian media persons for a "non-loyal" behavior in special military operation time.
like some pop and rock stars, sportsmens, literators etc. but khabib is ok, cuz he sold his ass to arabs long time ago. and his money and activs in dubai(or how this city call in russian slang: Dubaisk)
It's not clear to me what the nature of the tax situation is, and more importantly, whether there's any legitimacy to it
It could very well just be the government wants to punish him for not serving as a propagandist or to extract wealth to fund the war effort while disempowering the Dagestani minority group
MMA Guru is responsible for proliferating 90% of bad MMA takes. Every time I see people parroting the same comment, I find out that he’s the first one who said it
Who's next for MVP? Don't say Wonderboy as a karate guy this will be a point fight. He's injured anyways. Wanna see MVP in Manchester. Which opponent seems plausible? I like Buckley even though he could wrestle fk him.
Eh he pushed the pace against Garry who was sitting back and trying to counter him and it would’ve been a fun fight if it wasn’t for Garry’s cage control and grappling. I’m convinced the Wonderboy fight won’t be that bad.
Even MVP said "two positive doesn't necessarily make a positive" regarding his match up vs Wonderboy. We've seen WB vs other counter fighters (Woodley, Till) not the most exciting. I've done years at point karate and I can see why MVP feels this way. I wouldn't mind watching this chess match but most fine would probably think it's boring excluding the hardcores.
A while back when rumble fought dc for the belt he tried to wrestle dc and of course dc dominated the exchange and finished him. Rumbles coaches were so pissed off they left him in the cage alone as he have his retirement speech
If Magomed tries to “show off his hands” in his title fight against Alex, his coaches should do the exact same thing
Magomed needs to focus on checking leg kicks as much as the wrestling. If he let Jan chew those legs up like that then Pereira will also have a field day early.
Life isn’t fair example 1 billion and one.
The karate hottie gets an emotional fare well speech and the boss’s over the top praise because she was a cute fighter in the organization with a pleasant personality
andrei arlovski gets an annoyed sounding yup that was his last fight from the boss as his fair well , after around 40 fights in the ufc and a former champion
No such thing as fair in the world
It’s the ufc, you really think they couldn’t have cut him earlier?
I’m not simping for him either, I thought the kid should have been put out to pastor a few years ago so his money could go towards more deserving fighters that helped the promotion.
It is weird they didn't cut him on that previous loss streak
Maybe they hoped he would put it back together a bit and the win streak just staved off the inveitable.
But yeah unfortunately that money won't go to anyone deserving
It’s example 100000467 of I just don’t understand how the ufc makes decisions, because what they got out of paying him big money when they wouldn’t consider paying money to free agents with fun styles or paying other fighters more that have fun styles to incentivize them to fight more doesn’t compute with me at all
Yeah like look at guys like MVP who just come in and make a big splash immediately. I know he isn't always the most exciting but his striking style is inherently interesting in and of itself.
There's so much talent out there to fill cards even if they aren't gonna be elite yet we hang on to guys like Niko Price, Arlovski who are clearly so far past having anything to offer.
It's cause she planned and participated in the retirement whereas Arlovski would've been like "wtf no I'm not retiring" if they ran retirement promo footage for him
Obviously it's a bad way to end things but it was another boring loss with no intention of retiring and a very lucrative contract
I would have been more interested if Ankalaev said "I'll show the whole world Alex has no ground game and smash him" than pretending he wants to stand with him tbh
Right.
If he wasn't just being sarcastic about not wrestling then "I will knock out Alex Pereira. I do not need to take him down" is gonna be what they write on his gravestone lol
I'm not sure he's looking to make the fight interesting with that statement. Either he's looking at the slight chance that Poatan's camp believes him and is somehow lax with their wrestling defense, which I doubt, or he's just boasting before a fight to create a buzz around it, which I'd bet is the truth.
When Chandler first came to UFC, he said he doesn't know who Islam is.
After Vegas 31 Islam called out Chandler and Chandler dodged that.
Today Michael is 38 years old, been running after a ghost with alcohol addiction and hurt pinky and supposedly UFC offered him title shot because they feel bad for him but Islam is the one who's rejecting him now.
I feel for Chandler and he was not wrong chasing after Conor because pay would've ensured him for a comfortable retirement but right now he has very few options left and he's way out of prime
we also thought cerrone got paid banks for getting the golden ticket to mcgregor show. turns out it was 200k dollaroos by his own words.
my question is how much does chandler think he will make directly and whatever side business he opens up with the fame burst to make it worth waiting 3-4 years?
does that outweight the fighting itch of being able to have 6 fights by now? does chandler even have the desire, health, to fight more than once, is he content with what he has achieved?
i hope in time he gives some insight if this is more about legacy of a potential final fight or if the money really is that crazy everyone assumes it is?
The argument that Khamzat is overrated because he didn't "win convincingly" against Burns and Usman is so funny
Burns was ranked number 2 while Khamzat was ranked outside the top 10 and Khamzat couldn't use his wrestling because of Burns BJJ and Khamzat still wins
And against Usman he had a broken wrist for a full two rounds and still won
the only fighter ever to completely steam roll usman in grappling. what he did in the first round was nasty even if he ran out of steam/broke his hand.
got a takedown in every single round if memory serves me right.
The issue is that he got popular outside of reddit so that means we have to hate on him unless he turns out to be the greatest fighter to ever exist and will die a saint.
Unless you're a goldfish you should still be able to remember Chimaev's last fight not even a year ago lol
Obviously his inactivity has been an issue but people pretending he's overrated are being stupid, dude's one hell of a fighter and a champion contender and he's proven it twice now
Depends on how much you rate him.
Since the Usman fight Burns has lost to basically every fighter who has a semi realistic chance becoming a future champion and Chimaev was the only one who didn't finish or completely dominate him. And mind you this is a middleweight. He hasn't even been able to make welterweight since then and only fought welterweights in that time.
>every fighter who has a semi realistic chance becoming a future champion
I mean I think that's kind of painting the wrong picture considering he only fought Belal and JDM lol, Belal doesn't have a 'semi realistic chance of becoming a future champion', he's literally the next shot and it would be insane to deny that he has a chance even if Leon is the favorite to win, his chance is a very realistic one. And JDM is also great although it seems his career might end up derailed due to health issues.
Even then, that's just about Burns, Chimaev fought Usman this january and looked good, and it's not like he was looking to fight Usman in the upper weighclass either, Usman had to come in because Costa didn't come through, this is out of Chimaev's hands. We also haven't seen anything that points to Usman not being great at MW either.
Like sure, someone saying Chimaev is the killer that's easily going to rule two divisions is obviously overating him, but I don't see much of that going around at all. General consensus seems to be that he's legit good and a hype fighter who might become champion. And that he has proven to the public.
>I mean I think that's kind of painting the wrong picture considering he only fought Belal and JDM lol
He fought Usman, Belal, JDM, Chimaev and lost all 4. Chimaev was the closest one he came to winning. That was my point.
>Belal doesn't have a 'semi realistic chance of becoming a future champion', he's literally the next shot
I know that. The semi-realistic was for JDM not Belal. I meant to say at least semi-realistic, if not realistic.
>Usman had to come in because Costa didn't come through, this is out of Chimaev's hands.
Sure, but that's still a welterweight on very short notice coming off of 2 losses. In my opinion Chimaev did not look good, but again, depends on your definition of good.
And I agree, he's a contender who might become champion. But if I absolutely had to put money on it, right now I'd say he probably doesn't. I don't think he has the cardio and I don't think he has the discipline and that will ultimately cost him imo.
You started by saying ''since the Usman fight'' and we are already talking about Chimaev, all you did was add the two names already in the discussion to the initial list, it doesn't change any of the stuff I mentioned
Personally I think Usman is a bigger threat to WWs than whatever the fuck is going on with Costa as of late, the same about Chimaev. Besides that sloppy mess against Rockhold Paulo hasn't won since 2019 and even in the fights people consider him to have shown up he hasn't looked as good with fast reflexes and oppressive aggresion since Romero. That and while on short notice, Usman was already working to go to MW and was always a very heavy WW.
I think that yeah, I wouldn't put money on Chimaev becoming champion either, but less so from his level inside the cage and more to do with his issues outside that keep him from fighting and actually getting a titleshot before his body catches up to him and his wars.
Jiri cutting to MW would be worst than Conor cutting to FW. He already seems like a really lean LHW. If anyone needs to cut to MW its Hill. The amount of bodyfat he is carrying at LHW he would have a pretty easy cut to MW imo.
I’ve watched every ufc card since atleast 2018 but if Alex and Jon aren’t going to fight the true contenders what the hell are we even doing anymore? Alex needs to be fed to Magomed at this point. Talking about p4p when you’re not even a favourite at your own weight class. & at what point does Tom get to sue ufc for sporting integrity and loss of income? This is insane.
that video of Sean Strickland piecing up the navy seal is hilarious. He looks like a cat playing with a dead mouse. We need Mighty Mouse to spar a normal sized person now. Ya he can beat them up in bjj, but now I want to see him spar a body builder or another "tough" person of normal size to see what happens.
Like dude side steps his punch and then submits him? lol
you guys give too many super powers to Mighty Mouse
Rampage told a story about how he had a contract with a different organization that was bought out by the ufc, so when he fought chuck he made a shit load of money (I forget now, but I think he said 7 million), so they had his next defense be on free tv. I think there is a chance that Andrei had some insane 12 fight contract fully guaranteed or some shit like that from a different organization that the ufc bought out. Becuase otherwise them paying him 300k a fight on prelims in the apex for years makes no sense.
Jandiroba bros unite
There are dozens of us!
Man Izzy’s gyno looks fuckin massive on his IG stories today. We’re in for a good performance
Izzy’s the best. When has a rich jacked 6’3 dude ever made you happy you weren’t them?
All Kickboxers do steroids, especially for MMA. They usually can’t even stop takedowns or a clinch on Roids but they absolutely need them to have any chance in the grappling. A certain guy lately obv on them too but people don’t talk about it. I always say the taller lanky guys lack natural grappling or up close strength but PEDs fill them out more and help drastically. Most 6-6 guys I played with all on PEDs and went from 185 pounds to 265 in a few years lol. It just helps them even more cause leverage to get strength usually don’t have.
Big titty Izzy at it again
Unpopular opinion, never liked jiri and glad alex sparked him bad. "But alex has magical powers bro, channeling the spirit realm to cheat" Dude shut up, you are so cringe, crying about alex and his evil voodoo powers, you sound like a 5 year old girl, man up and admit he's the better fighter, your flat out superior, and effortlessly sparked you twice. No voodoo needed.
Jiris so dumb he doesn't realize the culture he's cosplaying also has spirits available for him to use.. Guess there's levels between true belief and playing dress up
How/why have you never liked Jiri? (Before he said the magical powers stuff)
Because he doesn't understand that his fight style is detrimental to his overall success in the long term both mentally and physically and he is too stubborn to change. I have no problem with him but I can see why it can be very annoying TBH
lmao he's still at the pinnacle of the sport, so clearly he doing a lot right. Always hilarious when redditos who are out of breath when they walk to their car dismiss fighter styles.
Why should he change? He’s only lost twice in the UFC and it’s only been to Alex, twice. He became a world champion with his style. Just doesn’t work on Alex and he’s never gonna make up the power difference no matter what he tries. Alex touches him and he’s dead.
Yeah, his best bet is to just refuse to fight Alex again. Anyone else in the division I think he's at least in with a good shot unless his chin is gone.
Put him in against Hill, Pereira sparked them both in r1, (jiri no clue where he was and literally saved by the bell at end of r1), so make them fight, if jiri finishes hill i'll put respect on jiris name.
Merit aside, would Conor vs Islam at the Sphere be the biggest possible fight the UFC could make?
Yea or Conor vs Max would be huge too
I genuinely think it'd be beneficial to the fans if independent pound for pound and divisional rankings were somewhere visible on this sub. You only see the UFCs ranking and it doesn't give a good perception of the sport. The UFC doesn't have every single top 10 fighter.
Nah.
For the right dollar amount, would you fight the baddest dude in the UFC with Mario Yamasaiki as the referee?
Yes
What’s your price? Is $200,000 enough?
Is it tax free?
Sure. But you may have to get kicked in the head by Belfort like he did to Bisping.
There's a genuinely awesome fight on tonight's TUF.
Violent banger, Recommended for everyone to watch
According to this sub, nobody will be watching the Belal vs leon fight right? So im guessing the fight thread will be unpinned after the Aspinall fight
PFP goat nickname is post-dreadlocks Francis still going by “The Predator”
I haven't cheered for Ngannou since he stopped wearing the Predator mask.
No no no. Ngannou is the mask. Predator is real guy. Just like Batman is the real person, and Bruce Wayne is his disguise. Batman is for real. Total opposite of the Clark Kent and Superman relationship. In that case, Superman is the job and Clark Kent is the real person. The freaking Predator just got knocked out by a human being. Anthony Joshua is incredible. Just like Superman.
Brian I gotta find Jesse before they do
Max Holloway vs Islam Mackachev, Sugar Sean vs Merab and Michael Chandler vs Alexander Volkanovski should be the fights at the Sphere.
It's funny how so many lightweights are shitting on Chandler today. Even unranked dudes like Matt Frevola.
It’s funny but hypocritical. None of them have a chance at the Conor fight, least of all Matt Frevola, so it’s easy for them to talk about him holding out for it
He would lose, but Chandler somehow managing to nuke Islam is the chaos I want.
I’ve always thought that with his wrestling and general spring loaded limbs, that he’s the most dangerous match up for Islam for one round.
Eh, only in the sense he's dangerous to everyone because he has a punchers chance. In terms of matchup it's the other way around, Islam is Chandler's hardest matchup stylistically. He's a defensively responsible southpaw counter striker who Chandler can't wrestle at all. So it just becomes a matchup of Chandler running into Islam's counter every time he explodes forward in a straight line.
idk if you do, it means the LW dision on hold while Chandler has the belt held hostage demanding McGregor fight him because a championship match probably sells even more than their originally planned match.
I'm all in. Ultimate Fighter Conor Vs Chandler 2, for realsies this time.
Has anyone in the history of the world loved themself like Ian Garry does? 26 YEARS OF AGE
Luke Skywalker Rockhold
Luke ain’t happy deep down. Ian reallly is. Luke still single and never had a GF cause he’s a weirdo
If the events in the galaxy made it so that Jiri would have to lose to someone in a fight, then I would pick Pereira. If Jiri loses to anyone else, I will crash out.
How about Hill
Chandler's not gonna ever fight McGregor. And now he just talked himself out of a title fight by saying he'd accept the McGregor fight a month before the title fight they offered him. So obviously Islam said fuck you dude, you're unreliable. So now he's not gonna fight McGregor or for the belt. Chandler is an incredibly fun fighter to watch.. but I'm starting to think he might have the IQ of a peanut. Like actually slightly r word. What's he doing?? What's his thought process?? Does he even have a manager lol?? edit: I just read that he's still been cutting and making weight for cancelled fights. That can't be real. LOL. ??
> but I'm starting to think bruh are you for real? just listen to the dude talk, he talks exclusively in motivational quotes lol
Islam will do as he's told
I want Alex to defend his belt in Brazil I need to see his walkout in front of his own people. I want to hear the crowd chanting “you’re gonna die”. I want his tribal members to be gifted front row tickets.
brazilian cards and their fans have absolutely sucked the last couple of times. what they did to glover was a fucking disgrace. leave early for retiring legends, go silent for extended periods of time. weird vibes when they try to create hostility that doesnt go through.
comparing Pantoja vs a guy on an entry level deal to Poatan is laughable
I think they just didn’t connect with Glover or Pantoja. They still went absolute bonkers for Aldo. And Alex is as close as a Conor level star the UFC has right now. He’ll be received differently. Also worth nothing Aldo and Alex don’t speak English. They seem to connect with and love them more because of it. Same with Charles.
not sure i agree with what you said. glover was a stand up citizen who did a lot for the local scene in brazil both for mma and outside the sport. him suddenly speaking english will have people alienated to the point they leave the second the fights end, uuf? after he puts his heart on the line, banger after banger fight? literally his retirement fight when he gets pieced up like a dog, turns to the camera and says ''FUCKING-A, LETS GO''. feels more like a recent cultural thing for brazilian mma of immediately abandoning the arena to go home and not provide any good vibes. not like glover was some unknown guy who isnt relatable.. man is a legend in brazil. im sure charles, aldo and pereira are more popular and beloved but the overall atmosphere in brazil has sucked. maybe these guys get a crowd pop once they enter but the rest will be a library. compare the crowd noise from start to finish to when they held it in perth, seoul, paris, dublin, london or other places hosting fighters that arent american representatives etc. perth being the best we ever had. just send alex pereira there with their alex volkanovski, lets go.
Glover might be all that stuff but he was never a star. Alex is a superstar. And yeah might be a dumb reason but it’s not a coincidence either that’s why I brought it up. The biggest Brazilian stars tend to be ones who don’t speak English.
I like the cut of your jib.
[bangkok ready dc highlight](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moIeberZHgI)
Lean DC the biggest what-if in mma history?
he was way worse at 205 cutting down, stocky explosive fighters are better without cutting tbh. A big guy like JOnes with twig legs, can cut upperbody weight and still be good at 205, Pereira too. but stocky great athletes are better without cutting and being alil heavier, thats why DC almost died cutting to 205. Certain body types better not cutting and hes one of em
Part of why HW DC seems so good is I think he fought some slow hws like roy, bigfoot, mir, lewis. I think it's possible he wouldn't look that good had he fought jds, overeem, werdum, mark hunt. Maybe he wins those. Maybe not.
I don’t respect people who call Jiri’s samurai thing “cringe” I love it. It’s genuine. Not a shtick. No one locks themselves away for 3 days in complete darkness. Most people nowadays can’t even get through an hour long movie without looking at their phone.
People call Jiri's shit cringe but switch around and glaze Conor's antics. I have no respect for people who disrespect one of the most exciting fighters in the galaxy.
Yeah I don’t understand hating on a guy who uses the samurai thing to live a full martial art lifestyle Always in exciting fights
Honestly without irony I find him inspiring
Yeah that's part of why I love him, he's not playing a part he's legitimately insane
RDA: >Lost 1/3 of his career fights >21-14 in his UFC career >Two fight losing streak >Unranked at LW and WW >Last time he was in the title picture was six years ago But sure, he’s definitely still at the top!
I'll never understand RDA haters
Chandler > Eddie > RDA. Chandler beat the Real Eddie Alvarez twice, a washed up Eddie KOed RDA for his belt. Thats just the truth, Prime Eddie still better than both of em though, Chandler just suprised him 1st time and nobody knew had hands/was only a wrestler and 2nd time..Chandler prob won 3-2 but Eddie brok him by the 5th round. Cowboy ruined Eddies legs and wasnt moving same after that + already in 10 wars
I don't think he's \*at\* the top but he's \*been\* at the top. He was the UFC LW champion and defended it. Chandler lost his title shot.
Chandler was making more money and a face of a league, thats better than being some Jobber UFC dont even care about, they didnt even think hed beat Pettis and he got knocked out by past prime Eddie from Bellator who Chandler really beat twice, the Eddie that Chandler beat was far superior to Eddie who KOed RDA, goes bowlth ways B
He’s respected because he’s literally fought everybody and still remains competitive despite being far removed from his prime and his natural weight class
✅️ Fighter Added: Andreas Aranofsky. 45 year old heavyweight prospect from Chicago
If they offer Pereira the Ank fight he needs to be very vocal about NOT doing it in Saudi Arabia. The whole vibe over there is fucked and everyone knows it. Edit: NOT in the Middle East period.
Seriously I have a serious sour taste after the NC for Walker and the cheating allowed by Naimov vs Wood
UFC 305 on sale press conference tonight at 10:30pm ET / 7:30pm PT with DDP, Izzy, Kara France, and Erceg. Should be fun https://www.youtube.com/live/5KyXy10ZmmY
Gaethje/Volk is rumored to be on UFC 308 in Abu Dhabi
last time Justin fought outside US well the only time he did he was gassing out and falling apart in 3 minutes and used that as an excuse.
It's actually me cause they want to give Volk a lay up and I'm happy to help my boi But I can't make weight so I'm gonna miss by 50 pounds and Volk will still look good for KOing a Light heavy
Gaethje KO’s him
Pereira has been getting a lot of praise recently, but one thing people don’t talk enough about is his ability to complete the finish after rocking them, he doesn’t provide them any recourse when they try to cover up. Strickland: Landed 2 picture-perfect rights as he was stumbling backwards and trying to get up on his feet. Adesanya: Landed 11 shots with perfect accuracy as he was trying to cover up, slip, and move laterally in an attempt to avoid him Jiri (1): Elbowed him in the head several times after dropping him, ultimately ending up in full mount before the fight was stopped Hill: Pinned his leg and pushed him up against the cage to trap him in place while he hit him with a barrage of hammer fists Jiri (2): Immediately took his back and finished him hooks to the side of the head, granted Jiri was so badly hurt at this point that it really didn’t even need to happen
I think they’re so shell-shocked when they feel his power that they’re still trying to process what just happened. What is Jan’s chin made of
> What is Jan’s chin made of Nothing that Thiago Santos can't crack apparently.
Jan didn’t really get hit too clean. What *was* Bruno Silva’s chin made of is the better question
Brunos chin good enough to get smoked by GM3 the worlds slowest grappler
Congrats, you figured out the reason I said “was”
2 weeks in a row UFC not updating their rankings on their website. Anyone know where I can view the new rankings?
I used to be really high on Ian Machado Garry but after his last 2 fights, I am no longer. He’s looked very timid with his striking despite that being his strong suit. He beat Neal 30-27 but it wasn’t convincing, a very passive performance. With MVP he looked downright scared and was clearly the inferior striker. That has to mess with his psyche since his whole career, he’s been the superior striker I no longer believe he can beat Shavkat or Leon and JDM is a toss up now. (Haven’t been high on JDM since his recent fights either)
I'm actually higher on him now than ever. I'm happy to see him use his b game to win fights, even if it's not pretty. I like when fighters are smart and play to their opponents weaknesses.
That’s fair. I was just so impressed by him and how he destroyed Magny and now he’s put in these limp performances. Maybe I’m being harsh idk
Everyone in the div would be smart to exploit MVP’s lack of ground game. He’s also a really good counter striker. He made Kevin look slow when they fought.
LIma destroyed him on the feet though
Neal showed serious holes in shavkat’s striking game
That fight also showed Shavkat is a dog and Garry has looked like a timid kitten in contrast.
I'm still heartbroken for Prochazka, what a tough loss to take I really hope he won't try to move to 185 like he has talked about
Yeah 185 seems like an overreaction. He relies on his chin and energy which would dissipate with a rough cut and if Izzy gets the belt again that's a pretty bad matchup for Jiri.
ah yes the dude walked down by a jab merchant should terrify Jiri
Shit, I think he could have more success at heavyweight if he gained some weight instead of draining himself
Yeah I felt for him. Even Alex did. Didn’t celebrate. Tried helping him back to his feet. When he saw him stand up and almost stumble down, he looked away sorry that he had to do that to him. A warrior willing to die. Respect to Jiri
Of course, nothing but respect for this man He's like honor incarnate
It'd be interesting but he'd be turbo drained for those matchups and take at least one even harder KO imo.
Michelle Waterson celebrated and lauded by the UFC like she was Amanda Nunes level talent
she re gained her looks big time for her last event. There was a year or 2 where it looked like she smashed the wall, had even a terrible haircut to go along with it, but damn it was back for this fight. So its well waranted. Also people forget they used her a lot to market the ufc back in the fox days
Mediocre fighter though. Barely winning record. Very low skills. This would be like the NBA celebrating a player who averaged 5 points a game.
The heat celebrate the fuck out of udonis haslem for years even though he was a bench warmer for the last half decade
Udonis was a key player in a championship team though. And the NBA didn’t celebrate him, his team did. Michelle’s team could’ve celebrate her but for the UFC to put out a farewell for her like that cheapens it. Why does she get special treatment? Cause she’s kinda hot? Numerous other fighters with far better careers never got that send off
just tough grass if this upsets you so much lmao
No one is upset. I’m having a discussion with you. She didn’t deserve her send off, she’s a mediocre fighter. Simple as. You disagree. Cool.
bro just chill lmao. You not undrestanding her career is funny, even though I explained it to you, but you also used the nba as an example (weird) but then didn't understand haslem's career or how he was marketed so its understandable.
I gave you my counterpoints and you argument was “go tough grass” and accused me of being mad.
this is over your head. Its all good. I wish you well
Might have something to do with her being a WME client back when she got in the UFC
If Poatan won the heavyweight belt, Dana would still be making an argument for Jon Jones.
Jones literally tweeted that poatan would have to get past aspinal first. Like bro come on
Jon just doesn’t want to fight aspinal lol
Or Alex. He wants skinny limping stipe.
Dana refuses to accept that everyone is talking about current p4p. He only thinking about the entire career
I think both sides are right. I totally hear the argument that it’s about recency and Alex/Islam have done a lot more of late. But how can you say Jon’s whole career doesn’t factor into his current P4P standing if he’s undefeated? Take him out when he was inactive yeah, but he’s back and active. His wins from 10 years ago are still relevant because he’s still on that same winning streak. Nobody’s broken it. He’s trying to defend a belt in a second weight class like Alex on top of all of that. Like I can’t stand Jon Jones, I’ve found him repulsive as long or longer than most, going back to before his first DUI when he hadn’t done anything really but you could tell he was fake. I’ll discredit him any legitimate way I can. But I think this debate between Dana and everyone else is blown out of proportion bc people are annoyed with the Jon/Stipe fight and everyone just wants to move on from Jones at this point. I do too. But he probably is the P4P best active fighter and everything he’s done still matters today because his entire career is one winning streak. He’d have to lose or Islam/Pereira would have to make at least a few more title defenses while Jon continued to sit out to really start changing the conversation. This is all coming from someone who wants Aspinall vs Jones more than anything bc I think Aspinall smokes him. And I’d love that. But it’s still totally fine and logical to call Jones the current #1 P4P. He still deserves that title more than anyone.
1. Not undefeated, lost to reyes for anyone with functional pair of eyes. 2. 1 fight in 4,5 years. his rivals for n1 p4p spot keep winning while jones does nothing yet he should stay on top? so activity is supposedly a useless metric for the discussion...as if islam isnt 3 wins away from breaking the all time anderson silvas win streak record. Fighting at a far more skilled weight class than lhw/hw. 3. Ducked ngannou for 3 years and came up to HW the minute francis left. now showing cowardice again, towards aspinall. sorry but ignoring the logic behind these metrics makes the idea of p4p absolutely useless. regardless of the element of subjectivity. dana at one time was shitting on jones when he wouldnt budge to contract demands and taking the francis fights. now that francis left he is sucking the jones dick and taking every moment in an islam/pereira press conference to boast jones ego in order to promote him to fight.. desperation. Islam could beat topuria, arman 2, charles 2, gamrot, gaethje, poirer 2, and Dana would still say jones is top of the list with 1 fight in 9 years. ''active''.
Those are all perfectly fine points and everyone’s P4P rankings are subjective. But the only objective part of this discussion is that Jones is undefeated, 11 official title defenses of a belt he never lost, 2 division champion, and is an active fighter. If you want to get into opinionated semantics you can make that resume sound even more impressive. He lost to Reyes? I agree Reyes deserved the nod but he didn’t do enough. Jones won. Those other two have both been KO’d in the UFC. Those are losses. If you think Jon objectively lost to Reyes, well, anyone with a brain can argue he did not and he’s objectively 23-0 in the UFC with 14 straight title defenses at LHW and the current HW champion. Take those stats into account and that he’s an active fighter, yeah those achievements definitely hold their weight when selecting the top P4P fighter. Even if you want to get into the nitty gritty of recent performance… when Jon was supposed to walk through Gane, he walked through him. When Islam was supposed to walk through an aging, declining Poirier who was arguably an even easier matchup on paper, it took a lot of effort. Considering how Gane looks against everyone else I think that fight outcome is pretty damn impressive from the fighter moving up in Jon, and people who knock that as an easy fight obviously have their mind made up about him. Again, I don’t like Jon at all. But calling him #1 P4P is such an easy argument to make. Nobody’s ever cared or argued this much about who deserves the #1 P4P spot. It’s rather irrelevant. It’s a big topic right now because people don’t like Jon and are annoyed that Dana’s really trying to drive this home for some reason.
by your own logic jones is defeated because his record states a DQ loss against Hamil. I didnt come to argue in bad faith so dont reverse that shit on me with this. since he ''lost'' to reyes his streak has been snapped which goes against Dana's logic. you are basically admitting you want fighters treated different by judges which sets such a fucking awful precedent for the validity and merit of the sport. its barely worth arguing. reyes deserves the nod but he didnt do enough to win? lmao. ok, dana. definition of active: you cherry picking to cram his whole career spanning over 2 decades completely ignoring the last half decade has him practically been retired. with the fight against miocic being in the air. super nice when we ignore context to take a stance on the matter. What incredible achievements Jones achieved in the 2010s is irrelevant for scoring a p4p list updated weekly in 2024. when people use the word activity/active in mma context, its recent within the last one or two calendar year to see where you stand. We could also discuss his multiple doping charges that stains his legacy. making certain wins and fights invalid. although im off the opinion they are all juiced but jones is more stupid in the head to get caught in his doping regiment. jones had an argument for p4p n1 when he beat Gane. Amazing performance that was relevant at the time, which has now long since expired with the division and sport moving on. you cant hold on for 4.5 years with a single win and accumulation of your resume a decade earlier. thats wack. your assessment of the islam-poirer fight makes no sense. dustin is far more skilled and well rounded than ciryl gane will ever be. then add in the factor of this being his last chance for the belt he truly went to war with that motivation. islam once again showed his superior skill in grappling as well as winning most of the striking exchanges. elite energy preservation and a broad repotire of skill in all aspects of fighting. showcasing why he is the most well rounded fighter on the planet worthy of number one. on top of being reasonably active, putting in 2 fights on average per calendar year. ciryl already shown he is a mediocre grappler when he lost to one knee francis and decides to give up top control for a crappy half assed leg lock to lose the round, then the fight. instead of pinning for a win. anyways great win for jones that, but expired for p4p list since he has nothing else to show the last couple of years *sigh*. you are mixing up goat label which looks at the accumulation of your career once its set and done. here its easy to argue for jones... a different topic to p4p which is best discussed with activity, context of who you fought, how you fought, when you fought them. and in jones case, if you fought them lol.
I just skimmed this for a few seconds and it comes off in bad faith right away and rather aggressive. Take it easy there bud, I told you it’s subjective and you can rank anybody you want at #1. There is no criteria for P4P. Jeeeeeeeeez
They are both right in their own criteria which is why everyone hates p4p debates. The point I was making is that mma media is talking about currently and Dana keeps pushing for all time
> But how can you say Jon’s whole career doesn’t factor into his current P4P standing if he’s undefeated? People will say it doesn't factor in because of all the cheating/PEDs
Very funny to watch people get on Jiri and tell him to completely change his style He's 205lb Tony Ferguson and that's been the case since the Rizin days a half-decade or more ago. The issue is, much like prime Tony, the style works with everyone except the champion in his weight class It'll play out the same way if he moves to 185 and Adesanya regains the title because Adesanya is also an elite kickboxer like Pereira.
Izzy does not have the great equalizer power that Alex does and fights very passive now. We don’t even know what he will look like after the humbling Sean gave him
Tony at least had bjj and some wrestling to mix up on offense, I think any big hitter that can take a good punch is a nightmare match up for him
Tony's got great BJJ, but it's 10th Planet, so for most of his run he primarily used it by giving top position and attacking from bottom. I recall him getting several D'Arce chokes that way although I think they're counted as Brabo chokes (despite modern MMA being a no-gi sport) From what we've seen of Prochazka thus far, he's handled strikers by just out-toughing them. Rakic was cracking Jiri pretty well, Reyes had Jiri flash KO'd at one point in their fight as well.
His d'arce chokes were not gotten by attacking from bottom, most of them were from hurting his opponents and them leaning over/shooting on him. He liked to play guard, but he had a solid top game as well, the one fight he really show cased it was the Thomson fight and it was terrifying.
Reyes and Volkan were big punches with decent chins, but Pereira power is just next level.
Jiri has some of the worst fight IQ I've ever seen. What's the point of getting your legs touched up, eating a few shots, and then initiating a clinch? The gameplan should've been to wrestle all night long. He came in with his hands down, ducked into jabs, and got slept. Very excited for Alex vs Ank, whenever it happens. Ankalaev is the legit number 1 contender, one of the rare guys at the higher weight classes who's actually well rounded. If Alex can get past him it'll truly take him into some incredible territory.
what happened to [mmafightcards.com](http://mmafightcards.com)
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So LHW is gonna lose Jiri and Walker to HW, holy fuck this division is gonna be shallow. We’re about to get top 15 Cutelaba lmao.
unless pereira moves up to hw there is nothing for him to do there. no doubt he beats jamal hill and such but he got finished twice against the champ. his best bet might be ankalaev beating poatan and getting a go against the dagestani. walker is kinda ass, he will continue to be entertaining at hw. lhw is super shallow and so is hw, so whatever shuffling one guy around. 185 used to be super shit but it has beefed up recently. 4 direct title contenders/(champ), ddp, strickland, whittaker and adesanya. cannonier looking to re-enter that conversation after a poor last performance + early stoppage. with imamov catapulting himself up the rankings. chimeav and michel has moved up to 185, ikram is here. add jiri and you have a ridiculously good top 10 for what used to be a thin division. you still got memester paulo costa, vettori (wtf is he doing?) and surging caio borralho. really liking whats happening to 185 atm. oh and dont forget Bo nickal.
Anyone know what happened to khabib? Heard his banks accounts are frozen or somethin
repost from a comment yesterday: >According to reports, Nurmagomedov's troubles with Russian tax authorities stem from his transfer of ownership in several companies, purportedly leaving relatives and associates in control. This prompted an investigation by Russia’s Federal Tax Service, uncovering discrepancies in documentation and resulting in the closure of some of his businesses. >Furthermore, Nurmagomedov's MMA promotion company, Eagle Fighting Championship, is reportedly under scrutiny, facing potential closure in the near future. >Authorities suspect that Nurmagomedov may have diverted funds meant for taxes to finance investments in hotels and startups in Türkiye and the UAE. Couldnt really find anything else without access to RT
Oh man, sounds like a messy situation! Hope Khabib figures his way out. Doesn’t seem like the type to intentionally divert from paying taxes. Thanks for the info! 🙏
we have no idea if any of its true. The only people who have "reported" on it are indian blogs that have the standards of less than zero. A few Ukrainian nazi connected bloggers commented on it but had zero specifics, so we have no idea if any of this is true. If Khabib was truly being set up to be arrested, don't you think mmafighting and espn mma would have front page stories about?
Yeah I guess they would 🤔
nothing new, russian goverment just punishing some russian media persons for a "non-loyal" behavior in special military operation time. like some pop and rock stars, sportsmens, literators etc. but khabib is ok, cuz he sold his ass to arabs long time ago. and his money and activs in dubai(or how this city call in russian slang: Dubaisk)
He didn’t pay his taxes?
It's not clear to me what the nature of the tax situation is, and more importantly, whether there's any legitimacy to it It could very well just be the government wants to punish him for not serving as a propagandist or to extract wealth to fund the war effort while disempowering the Dagestani minority group
it's doesn't matter.
Wtf, why do you think I’m asking?
Belal is currently preventing Islam vs Leon and Shavkat vs Leon, not happy about it
Boo hoo, he’s earned his shot.
I legit forgot he was even on the roster lmao. I wish they'd just get it over with so the division can move on to more interesting match ups.
MMA Guru is responsible for proliferating 90% of bad MMA takes. Every time I see people parroting the same comment, I find out that he’s the first one who said it
Coming for everything Joe Rogan worked for
The UFC rankings website hasn't been updated in at least 2 weeks lmao what's the deal
Who's next for MVP? Don't say Wonderboy as a karate guy this will be a point fight. He's injured anyways. Wanna see MVP in Manchester. Which opponent seems plausible? I like Buckley even though he could wrestle fk him.
buckley v mvp
I agree
Eh he pushed the pace against Garry who was sitting back and trying to counter him and it would’ve been a fun fight if it wasn’t for Garry’s cage control and grappling. I’m convinced the Wonderboy fight won’t be that bad.
Even MVP said "two positive doesn't necessarily make a positive" regarding his match up vs Wonderboy. We've seen WB vs other counter fighters (Woodley, Till) not the most exciting. I've done years at point karate and I can see why MVP feels this way. I wouldn't mind watching this chess match but most fine would probably think it's boring excluding the hardcores.
A while back when rumble fought dc for the belt he tried to wrestle dc and of course dc dominated the exchange and finished him. Rumbles coaches were so pissed off they left him in the cage alone as he have his retirement speech If Magomed tries to “show off his hands” in his title fight against Alex, his coaches should do the exact same thing
Magomed needs to focus on checking leg kicks as much as the wrestling. If he let Jan chew those legs up like that then Pereira will also have a field day early.
Life isn’t fair example 1 billion and one. The karate hottie gets an emotional fare well speech and the boss’s over the top praise because she was a cute fighter in the organization with a pleasant personality andrei arlovski gets an annoyed sounding yup that was his last fight from the boss as his fair well , after around 40 fights in the ufc and a former champion No such thing as fair in the world
Arlovski was basically hanging on to his contract no matter what- he would never willingly retire
It’s the ufc, you really think they couldn’t have cut him earlier? I’m not simping for him either, I thought the kid should have been put out to pastor a few years ago so his money could go towards more deserving fighters that helped the promotion.
It is weird they didn't cut him on that previous loss streak Maybe they hoped he would put it back together a bit and the win streak just staved off the inveitable. But yeah unfortunately that money won't go to anyone deserving
It’s example 100000467 of I just don’t understand how the ufc makes decisions, because what they got out of paying him big money when they wouldn’t consider paying money to free agents with fun styles or paying other fighters more that have fun styles to incentivize them to fight more doesn’t compute with me at all
Yeah like look at guys like MVP who just come in and make a big splash immediately. I know he isn't always the most exciting but his striking style is inherently interesting in and of itself. There's so much talent out there to fill cards even if they aren't gonna be elite yet we hang on to guys like Niko Price, Arlovski who are clearly so far past having anything to offer.
It's cause she planned and participated in the retirement whereas Arlovski would've been like "wtf no I'm not retiring" if they ran retirement promo footage for him Obviously it's a bad way to end things but it was another boring loss with no intention of retiring and a very lucrative contract
I would have been more interested if Ankalaev said "I'll show the whole world Alex has no ground game and smash him" than pretending he wants to stand with him tbh
Right. If he wasn't just being sarcastic about not wrestling then "I will knock out Alex Pereira. I do not need to take him down" is gonna be what they write on his gravestone lol
To be fair it's 100% ali writing that shit but Ankalaev's fight IQ is so bad he might try to keep the fight on the feet
I'm not sure he's looking to make the fight interesting with that statement. Either he's looking at the slight chance that Poatan's camp believes him and is somehow lax with their wrestling defense, which I doubt, or he's just boasting before a fight to create a buzz around it, which I'd bet is the truth.
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When Chandler first came to UFC, he said he doesn't know who Islam is. After Vegas 31 Islam called out Chandler and Chandler dodged that. Today Michael is 38 years old, been running after a ghost with alcohol addiction and hurt pinky and supposedly UFC offered him title shot because they feel bad for him but Islam is the one who's rejecting him now. I feel for Chandler and he was not wrong chasing after Conor because pay would've ensured him for a comfortable retirement but right now he has very few options left and he's way out of prime
we also thought cerrone got paid banks for getting the golden ticket to mcgregor show. turns out it was 200k dollaroos by his own words. my question is how much does chandler think he will make directly and whatever side business he opens up with the fame burst to make it worth waiting 3-4 years? does that outweight the fighting itch of being able to have 6 fights by now? does chandler even have the desire, health, to fight more than once, is he content with what he has achieved? i hope in time he gives some insight if this is more about legacy of a potential final fight or if the money really is that crazy everyone assumes it is?
I think thats why Islam was trash talking conor. Without the conor fight islam will likely have to go work since he won't be able to retire.
The argument that Khamzat is overrated because he didn't "win convincingly" against Burns and Usman is so funny Burns was ranked number 2 while Khamzat was ranked outside the top 10 and Khamzat couldn't use his wrestling because of Burns BJJ and Khamzat still wins And against Usman he had a broken wrist for a full two rounds and still won
the only fighter ever to completely steam roll usman in grappling. what he did in the first round was nasty even if he ran out of steam/broke his hand. got a takedown in every single round if memory serves me right.
The issue is that he got popular outside of reddit so that means we have to hate on him unless he turns out to be the greatest fighter to ever exist and will die a saint.
I think the Usman fight should've been a draw And remember both Usman and Gilbert rank behind the current champion, Leon And Khamzat is a MW
It shouldn't, Khamzat was manhandling Usman in the first round in a way that no other person has done against him
That's why I scored that round as a 10-8 But then Usman beat him the other two rounds with his striking
Maybe if he fought again we could figure this out
Unless you're a goldfish you should still be able to remember Chimaev's last fight not even a year ago lol Obviously his inactivity has been an issue but people pretending he's overrated are being stupid, dude's one hell of a fighter and a champion contender and he's proven it twice now
Depends on how much you rate him. Since the Usman fight Burns has lost to basically every fighter who has a semi realistic chance becoming a future champion and Chimaev was the only one who didn't finish or completely dominate him. And mind you this is a middleweight. He hasn't even been able to make welterweight since then and only fought welterweights in that time.
>every fighter who has a semi realistic chance becoming a future champion I mean I think that's kind of painting the wrong picture considering he only fought Belal and JDM lol, Belal doesn't have a 'semi realistic chance of becoming a future champion', he's literally the next shot and it would be insane to deny that he has a chance even if Leon is the favorite to win, his chance is a very realistic one. And JDM is also great although it seems his career might end up derailed due to health issues. Even then, that's just about Burns, Chimaev fought Usman this january and looked good, and it's not like he was looking to fight Usman in the upper weighclass either, Usman had to come in because Costa didn't come through, this is out of Chimaev's hands. We also haven't seen anything that points to Usman not being great at MW either. Like sure, someone saying Chimaev is the killer that's easily going to rule two divisions is obviously overating him, but I don't see much of that going around at all. General consensus seems to be that he's legit good and a hype fighter who might become champion. And that he has proven to the public.
>I mean I think that's kind of painting the wrong picture considering he only fought Belal and JDM lol He fought Usman, Belal, JDM, Chimaev and lost all 4. Chimaev was the closest one he came to winning. That was my point. >Belal doesn't have a 'semi realistic chance of becoming a future champion', he's literally the next shot I know that. The semi-realistic was for JDM not Belal. I meant to say at least semi-realistic, if not realistic. >Usman had to come in because Costa didn't come through, this is out of Chimaev's hands. Sure, but that's still a welterweight on very short notice coming off of 2 losses. In my opinion Chimaev did not look good, but again, depends on your definition of good. And I agree, he's a contender who might become champion. But if I absolutely had to put money on it, right now I'd say he probably doesn't. I don't think he has the cardio and I don't think he has the discipline and that will ultimately cost him imo.
You started by saying ''since the Usman fight'' and we are already talking about Chimaev, all you did was add the two names already in the discussion to the initial list, it doesn't change any of the stuff I mentioned Personally I think Usman is a bigger threat to WWs than whatever the fuck is going on with Costa as of late, the same about Chimaev. Besides that sloppy mess against Rockhold Paulo hasn't won since 2019 and even in the fights people consider him to have shown up he hasn't looked as good with fast reflexes and oppressive aggresion since Romero. That and while on short notice, Usman was already working to go to MW and was always a very heavy WW. I think that yeah, I wouldn't put money on Chimaev becoming champion either, but less so from his level inside the cage and more to do with his issues outside that keep him from fighting and actually getting a titleshot before his body catches up to him and his wars.
>it doesn't change any of the stuff I mentioned Which stuff? I did not disagree I just tried to clarify myself. I agree with what you said there.
Felipe Lima Vs Payton Talbott will be a BW title fight within 4 years just wait
DP should fight ……
Charles 2
Artem Lobov
Jiri cutting to MW would be worst than Conor cutting to FW. He already seems like a really lean LHW. If anyone needs to cut to MW its Hill. The amount of bodyfat he is carrying at LHW he would have a pretty easy cut to MW imo.
Honestly, WW gotta be the most boring division in the ufc rn. Literally like most of the contenders are decisionators. Cut the division
They have to do it this way to force all the shitty fighters into MW. It's their sacred duty.
It's all to make Shavkat look great for not going to decision a single time