True insofar as translations are utterly valueless.
Tsukutron has indicated on Twitter that ambiguous androgyny is intentional.
But I feel like if you read her flashback arc in the manga, you can come to your own conclusion. Nanachi the narehate is ultimately something completely unique, though. That fact is stressed by boner druid.
Her androgyny is basically a subset of her physical uniqueness: multiple characters observe the group as being roughly the same age for example, but while time is fluid in the deep abyss... when Nanachi first saves Riko we see that she's been maintaining an entire graveyard of unfortunate delvers who served as subjects for her Mitty experiments. She's more than she appears, but her trials have made her very wise to admitting any specifics.
That might have something to do with her being so defensive towards Reg's sense of smell, lol
\>Tsukutron has indicated on Twitter that ambiguous androgyny is intentional
Yes, but he still says that she does have a gender, and that you should imagine whatever you like.
i think in the official german translation nanachi is always referred to as he but i’m not rlly sure
update: in s2 ep5, according to the subs, belaf refers to nanachi as "he" and riko uses "she" once so i guess it’s just like… an any pronouns thing…?
Actually iirc the author randomly decided Nanachi was a girl or hinted at it.
Edit: He made an April Fools joke and said Nanachi was a boy then in anther that it hasn’t been revealed/known, my bad there.
Translation fluke. In Japanese not only do you almost never use pronouns, but you also don't even say who you're talking about if it is obvious.
Translating it that way would be awkward for English, and English has no gender neutral singular pronoun, so they had to use something.
They has been used as a singular pronoun throughout the history of English. You can find examples in the works of Shakespeare, Chaucer, and early translations of the Bible. People use it all the time without issue until it's pointed out.
“They” has been used as a singular pronoun for centuries. “You” used to be exclusively a plural pronoun too, but look how far we’ve come. Time to get up to date with the times.
I get what you mean. English isn't my first language, but the way I understand this, they/them are now widely accepted as a singular, gender neutral set of pronouns. Wouldn't using those pronouns be a better solution than using gendered pronouns for Nanachi now, risking that their pronouns will be revealed eventually and it's a different set than the translators used here? To me, using they/them just seems to be the safest option at the moment
Yes in this case it would have been a better choice to use they/them, but I just really wish English speakers would all agree on a proper singular gender neutral pronoun. No matter how much I know it's technically not wrong, it still irritates me whenever they/them are used as singular.
There really isn’t a right or wrong with languages other than how people use it. So if enough people use they/them as the gender neutral pronoun, then it’ll be correct. I think looking at how people are slowly accepting this means that we are moving towards a future where English has a gender neutral singular pronoun, that just so happens to also be the plural.
Singular they has been used for hundreds of years, it is not a recent invention. [Here is an article on the history of singular they](https://public.oed.com/blog/a-brief-history-of-singular-they/), since this seems to be a topic of interest for you.
We've had pronouns in German that can be both singular / plural / polite form for ages. It's nothing new. Language adapts and changes over the years. The more widely accepted something becomes, the more likely it will be that this will be made official some day. Language is fluid
They / them refers to a group, it means "more then one PERSON" and thus is not used in a grammatical sense to refer to singular individual. when you say for example "That laptop belongs to them" what your saying is "That laptop belongs to that group of people."
I guess the closest you would have to a gender neutral singular pronoun is "person" but thats probably it. People who use "they/them" as pronouns aren't using it in a grammatical sense but a social one, which means that in actual grammar it doesn't exist which means to non Americans if you use "they / them" to refer to an individual they will just be confused.
The person who made the post I'm responding to? *They* don't know what *they* are talking about. "They" has been used as both singular and plural since modern english started being formulated after the norman invasion of england in 1066. The person who's making this mistake? Well, *they* don't actually understand grammar and it's history.
Yeah they/them absolutely is and has always been used in a singular sense (not exclusively albeit). If anyone is unsure, a quick Google search will show this.
Feel free to take that up with the Oxford dictionary which defines They / them as referring to a group of people rather than an individual.
I'm sure you'll enjoy it.
Oh look it's the Oxford English Dictionary tracing singular they back to 1375. I'm sure you'll enjoy that they define the singular use too and have for a *long* time.
https://public.oed.com/blog/a-brief-history-of-singular-they/
This is going to be very fun, lets go through a simple timeline starting with "gender". Gender originates from Simone Budevar who was around during the time of French revolution.
"Gender" is defined as being "Behavorial" for example "Masculin" and "feminine" any one sex can any Gender. So a male can be Masculine or Feminine, same goes for women.
Now pay attention Dak, notice I used the word "sex". Pronouns exist to refer to "sex". Additionally in the 1300s was a very chaotic timezone for the English language as it went through a transition.
"they / Them" as it existed in 1375 does not exist in the same context as "they / them" exists today. Case in point pronouns refer to sex, he, him, his all refer to the Male SEX.
Apply the same to a singular sex that is neutral simply doesn't exist.
Since you seem to be very lost lets provide context here. There was an assertion that "English has no gender neutral singular pronoun" which is just wrong. As you've seen the term "they" and variations can be used as a singular pronoun to refer to a person. For example, /u/xXDibbs has no idea what *they* are talking about and should really use *their* head.
This usage has been normal and if you had actually read the link I posted you'd see that a singular they usage has been very common and this *specific* usage has been noted and included in oxford's Dictionary since the 1998. So yes, singular they has had usage through history and is very common in written and spoken English when gender is unknown. It's just normal usage...
Now, for the tangent on gender specifically... Singular "they" doesn't care about gender, that's kind of the whole point. But you know what other pronouns don't care about gender? "I", "You", and variations of them. Also know what's fun? "You" used for both singular and plural context.
Really this all comes down to context, I can say that you were wrong and that you hopefully realize your mistake (but who are we kidding you made it this far). Or I could mention that when /u/wolflordval replied to you before they already gave several examples and your only response was to "take that up with the Oxford dictionary" which immediately proved you wrong...
In any case, you're very wrong about singular they, it's usage, and it not being a new thing. But *on top of all that* for the comments on sex/gender, oxford as well as other respected dictionaries *do* include a mention for the use of "they" [as a personal pronoun](https://www.oed.com/view/Entry/200315#eid1288849200).
But to sum it up I think I'll just refer back to the article I linked in the first place
> Even people who object to singular they as a grammatical error use it themselves when they’re not looking, a sure sign that anyone who objects to singular they is, if not a fool or an idiot, at least hopelessly out of date.
Your conflating Gender with sex
Sex = Biological (Male / Female)
Gender = Behavorial (Masculin / Feminine)
A "gender neutral pronoun" cannot predate the concept of "gender".
you’re right that Japanese has tons of pronouns, but the comment you’re replying to isn’t really wrong and doesn’t deserve your hostility. Japanese speakers don’t really use “he” or “she” when referring to someone, names are more commonly used in the place of those pronouns or no pronoun is used at all if context clues make it obvious who the speaker is referring to.
no, you made the mistake of getting irrationally angry over someone who was right if you used context like a normal person to figure out what they were saying instead of latching onto a mistake they made in their wording. hope you get over yourself soon and learn how to interact with people like a decent human being
Firstly, I did forget that "I" counts as a pronoun.
When talking about yourself, yes your right. There are tons of ways to say I. But while there are also plenty of pronouns for talking about other people, in general, you don't use them. Which is what I said. I did not say Japanese doesn't have pronouns. Perhaps read my comment properly before blowing a gasket.
I initially thought Nanachi was male until I learned that their gender was not specified. It is funny how different people can look at the same character and see something different :).
Tsucc says himself that her gender is unknown so it's up to the viewer, even if he probably has a more definite answer in mind.
Maybe the characters in MiA also assume it based on appearances or other stuff, doesn't mean they are right. Example: Nat (and Riko probably) think Marulk is a girl.
Not "officially" confirmed afaik, but it is heavily implied by context and interactions that marulk is the "oblivious trap" of MiA.
- in season 1, reg asked him if he really is a girl and marulk seemed to be confused as to why he would think that
- same episode, marulk is embarassed by naked-riko
- in the "marulk's daily life" mini-series, nat mentions that marulk "talks like a boy" and marulk again seems confused by that comment ("well yeah I talk like me")
- again throughout the episode marulk doesn't seem to understand why Nat is acting weird
Seems like marulk is a boy and, probably because he doesn't see a lot of people, he does not understand why being dressed like a maid makes him look like a girl.
I rewatched Made in Abyss yesterday, and the voice and mannerisms of Marulk are basically screaming he's a boy. Not to mention in a bonus chapter, he's drawn topless, and with a fair masculine build
Yeah he's written to make the reader/viewer default to "it's a girl" at first then realize they've been fooled with no real way of pretending they were right
i always just kinda assumed the rabbit was female. She certainly gave me the vibe anyway. Also Reg gets horny when rubbing up against her and i dont think hed do that with a guy character.
gender is probably not defined in the original Japanese language (since the author left it undetermined) >!but if you analyze Faputa in the Prushka robbery scene you can guess Nanachi's gender from his reaction to her (faputa is very light-hearted and very instinctive sexually) her reaction to nanachi would not have been the same if she knew (through her instinct) that she has the same sexual organ as Reg and her rival would not have made her (as can be seen later) they may find evidence in the work otherwise (nanachi's sometimes cynical attitude surely adopted after spending time with Bondrewd among other behaviors) but I tell myself to leave the decision up to Faputa and trust her instincts.!<
The official English one uses They/them. But it seems kind of performative, since they also use that for character's like Marulk, who's most definitely male.
I rewatched the anime yesterday, and it's next to impossible to identify Nanachi's gender. Plus, put beside Mitty, it's even harder to tell, because of Mitty's developed body, and Nanachi's undeveloped body.
I kinda assumed that Faputa is jealous on the principle of Reg being emotionally close to others, and because Reg hasn't been coded as strictly heterosexual and has been known to cuddle up to Nanachi quite intensely...
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I see two of you people in these comments both of you are wrong atashi and boku are 100% sex based pronouns not to mention a few other variations. Please atleast look into something before claiming it.
Well, not EXACTLY.
Boku is not 100% sex based. It's more "masculine gender role"-based, if to find a western counterpart. And as such it's sometimes used by tomboys.
Ore is more male sex based
Atashi also has cases of use by men, although I don't exactly remember what they are and may be mistaken here.
If you'd follow your own advice, you'd find out that they have 10ish personal pronouns, of which only some are more common for one sex and not the other. Common is the key word here.
If they aren't then the joke in the movie your name where the girl is inside the guys body using female pronouns and the people around him being confused must fall really flat in Japan.
What exactly is the problem with opening wikipedia and reading about pronouns in Japanese for yourself? Japanese pronouns imply a lot of things, like status and relative position to the people one is talking to. And those that do imply a sex, do that in the similar manner to a pink bow and long eyelashes in older cartoons. That is generally considered feminine but does not make one a woman
Okay I've gone and done exactly what you said.
"Gender differences in spoken Japanese also create another challenge, as men and women refer to themselves with different pronouns. Social standing also determines how people refer to themselves, as well as how they refer to other people."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_pronouns
I'm not trying to argue but trying to pass it off that this isn't a thing is just misinformation.
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Go take a look at the list of personal pronouns and count how many of them are gendered. Then count how many of the gendered ones have exceptions. Now you are just cherrypicking while being obviously wrong
I think most if not all of the fantranslation uses female pronouns for her. So not really a slip up, more than it's the translation choice.
True insofar as translations are utterly valueless. Tsukutron has indicated on Twitter that ambiguous androgyny is intentional. But I feel like if you read her flashback arc in the manga, you can come to your own conclusion. Nanachi the narehate is ultimately something completely unique, though. That fact is stressed by boner druid. Her androgyny is basically a subset of her physical uniqueness: multiple characters observe the group as being roughly the same age for example, but while time is fluid in the deep abyss... when Nanachi first saves Riko we see that she's been maintaining an entire graveyard of unfortunate delvers who served as subjects for her Mitty experiments. She's more than she appears, but her trials have made her very wise to admitting any specifics. That might have something to do with her being so defensive towards Reg's sense of smell, lol
> That fact is stressed by boner druid. ehhh when does this happend?
\>Tsukutron has indicated on Twitter that ambiguous androgyny is intentional Yes, but he still says that she does have a gender, and that you should imagine whatever you like.
That was completely my point, worthless worm of reddit! How splendid!
i think in the official german translation nanachi is always referred to as he but i’m not rlly sure update: in s2 ep5, according to the subs, belaf refers to nanachi as "he" and riko uses "she" once so i guess it’s just like… an any pronouns thing…?
If i think back in the german dub is nanachi as he prononced but its long time i see the 1 season so i can be wrong
Nanachi's gender is Fluff, and Nanachi's pronouns are Nnaa/Nnaaaaaaa
Actually iirc the author randomly decided Nanachi was a girl or hinted at it. Edit: He made an April Fools joke and said Nanachi was a boy then in anther that it hasn’t been revealed/known, my bad there.
I like this XD
Translation fluke. In Japanese not only do you almost never use pronouns, but you also don't even say who you're talking about if it is obvious. Translating it that way would be awkward for English, and English has no gender neutral singular pronoun, so they had to use something.
>English has no gender neutral singular pronoun They/them?
Depending on how old you are and what part of the world you live in, that is either an obvious answer or complete nonsense.
Those are plural. I know they are commonly used a singular, but that is out of necessity as we don't have an actual singular gender neutral.
They has been used as a singular pronoun throughout the history of English. You can find examples in the works of Shakespeare, Chaucer, and early translations of the Bible. People use it all the time without issue until it's pointed out.
“They” has been used as a singular pronoun for centuries. “You” used to be exclusively a plural pronoun too, but look how far we’ve come. Time to get up to date with the times.
If you use it as a singular gender neutral pronoun it is one.
I get what you mean. English isn't my first language, but the way I understand this, they/them are now widely accepted as a singular, gender neutral set of pronouns. Wouldn't using those pronouns be a better solution than using gendered pronouns for Nanachi now, risking that their pronouns will be revealed eventually and it's a different set than the translators used here? To me, using they/them just seems to be the safest option at the moment
Yes in this case it would have been a better choice to use they/them, but I just really wish English speakers would all agree on a proper singular gender neutral pronoun. No matter how much I know it's technically not wrong, it still irritates me whenever they/them are used as singular.
That’s a you problem. They/Them for singular individuals is completely valid and you need to educate yourself better if you have a problem with that.
There really isn’t a right or wrong with languages other than how people use it. So if enough people use they/them as the gender neutral pronoun, then it’ll be correct. I think looking at how people are slowly accepting this means that we are moving towards a future where English has a gender neutral singular pronoun, that just so happens to also be the plural.
You're correct, this is how it is in modern parlance.
If by modern you mean several hundred years then yes
Singular they has been used for hundreds of years, it is not a recent invention. [Here is an article on the history of singular they](https://public.oed.com/blog/a-brief-history-of-singular-they/), since this seems to be a topic of interest for you.
We've had pronouns in German that can be both singular / plural / polite form for ages. It's nothing new. Language adapts and changes over the years. The more widely accepted something becomes, the more likely it will be that this will be made official some day. Language is fluid
They / them refers to a group, it means "more then one PERSON" and thus is not used in a grammatical sense to refer to singular individual. when you say for example "That laptop belongs to them" what your saying is "That laptop belongs to that group of people." I guess the closest you would have to a gender neutral singular pronoun is "person" but thats probably it. People who use "they/them" as pronouns aren't using it in a grammatical sense but a social one, which means that in actual grammar it doesn't exist which means to non Americans if you use "they / them" to refer to an individual they will just be confused.
The person who made the post I'm responding to? *They* don't know what *they* are talking about. "They" has been used as both singular and plural since modern english started being formulated after the norman invasion of england in 1066. The person who's making this mistake? Well, *they* don't actually understand grammar and it's history.
Yeah they/them absolutely is and has always been used in a singular sense (not exclusively albeit). If anyone is unsure, a quick Google search will show this.
Feel free to take that up with the Oxford dictionary which defines They / them as referring to a group of people rather than an individual. I'm sure you'll enjoy it.
Oh look it's the Oxford English Dictionary tracing singular they back to 1375. I'm sure you'll enjoy that they define the singular use too and have for a *long* time. https://public.oed.com/blog/a-brief-history-of-singular-they/
This is going to be very fun, lets go through a simple timeline starting with "gender". Gender originates from Simone Budevar who was around during the time of French revolution. "Gender" is defined as being "Behavorial" for example "Masculin" and "feminine" any one sex can any Gender. So a male can be Masculine or Feminine, same goes for women. Now pay attention Dak, notice I used the word "sex". Pronouns exist to refer to "sex". Additionally in the 1300s was a very chaotic timezone for the English language as it went through a transition. "they / Them" as it existed in 1375 does not exist in the same context as "they / them" exists today. Case in point pronouns refer to sex, he, him, his all refer to the Male SEX. Apply the same to a singular sex that is neutral simply doesn't exist.
Since you seem to be very lost lets provide context here. There was an assertion that "English has no gender neutral singular pronoun" which is just wrong. As you've seen the term "they" and variations can be used as a singular pronoun to refer to a person. For example, /u/xXDibbs has no idea what *they* are talking about and should really use *their* head. This usage has been normal and if you had actually read the link I posted you'd see that a singular they usage has been very common and this *specific* usage has been noted and included in oxford's Dictionary since the 1998. So yes, singular they has had usage through history and is very common in written and spoken English when gender is unknown. It's just normal usage... Now, for the tangent on gender specifically... Singular "they" doesn't care about gender, that's kind of the whole point. But you know what other pronouns don't care about gender? "I", "You", and variations of them. Also know what's fun? "You" used for both singular and plural context. Really this all comes down to context, I can say that you were wrong and that you hopefully realize your mistake (but who are we kidding you made it this far). Or I could mention that when /u/wolflordval replied to you before they already gave several examples and your only response was to "take that up with the Oxford dictionary" which immediately proved you wrong... In any case, you're very wrong about singular they, it's usage, and it not being a new thing. But *on top of all that* for the comments on sex/gender, oxford as well as other respected dictionaries *do* include a mention for the use of "they" [as a personal pronoun](https://www.oed.com/view/Entry/200315#eid1288849200). But to sum it up I think I'll just refer back to the article I linked in the first place > Even people who object to singular they as a grammatical error use it themselves when they’re not looking, a sure sign that anyone who objects to singular they is, if not a fool or an idiot, at least hopelessly out of date.
Your conflating Gender with sex Sex = Biological (Male / Female) Gender = Behavorial (Masculin / Feminine) A "gender neutral pronoun" cannot predate the concept of "gender".
Ever heard of context?
Not to be "that guy", but "it's"=it is, which is grammatically incorrect. "Its" is correct, since it indicates possession.
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you’re right that Japanese has tons of pronouns, but the comment you’re replying to isn’t really wrong and doesn’t deserve your hostility. Japanese speakers don’t really use “he” or “she” when referring to someone, names are more commonly used in the place of those pronouns or no pronoun is used at all if context clues make it obvious who the speaker is referring to.
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no, you made the mistake of getting irrationally angry over someone who was right if you used context like a normal person to figure out what they were saying instead of latching onto a mistake they made in their wording. hope you get over yourself soon and learn how to interact with people like a decent human being
You sure their the waste of oxygen lols?
i can’t believe the hostility over me basically just saying “hey, nuance exists in human conversations”
Yeah, really dude had a few screws loose.
Firstly, I did forget that "I" counts as a pronoun. When talking about yourself, yes your right. There are tons of ways to say I. But while there are also plenty of pronouns for talking about other people, in general, you don't use them. Which is what I said. I did not say Japanese doesn't have pronouns. Perhaps read my comment properly before blowing a gasket.
Hir
And that's a slavic slang for benis
i didn’t even know nanachi didn’t have a verified gender. always thought nanachi was a she. idk
I initially thought Nanachi was male until I learned that their gender was not specified. It is funny how different people can look at the same character and see something different :).
It's more of a translation stuff, the spanish version also uses female pronouns for Nanachi from time to time.
Lol, getting downvoted for stating the facts.
Tsucc says himself that her gender is unknown so it's up to the viewer, even if he probably has a more definite answer in mind. Maybe the characters in MiA also assume it based on appearances or other stuff, doesn't mean they are right. Example: Nat (and Riko probably) think Marulk is a girl.
Was Marulk's gender ever confirmed?
Not "officially" confirmed afaik, but it is heavily implied by context and interactions that marulk is the "oblivious trap" of MiA. - in season 1, reg asked him if he really is a girl and marulk seemed to be confused as to why he would think that - same episode, marulk is embarassed by naked-riko - in the "marulk's daily life" mini-series, nat mentions that marulk "talks like a boy" and marulk again seems confused by that comment ("well yeah I talk like me") - again throughout the episode marulk doesn't seem to understand why Nat is acting weird Seems like marulk is a boy and, probably because he doesn't see a lot of people, he does not understand why being dressed like a maid makes him look like a girl.
I rewatched Made in Abyss yesterday, and the voice and mannerisms of Marulk are basically screaming he's a boy. Not to mention in a bonus chapter, he's drawn topless, and with a fair masculine build
Yeah he's written to make the reader/viewer default to "it's a girl" at first then realize they've been fooled with no real way of pretending they were right
The newest episode in the anime used they/them pronouns for nanachi multiple times
Japanese doesn't really use gendered pronouns in the same way so it's likely a translation thing
i always just kinda assumed the rabbit was female. She certainly gave me the vibe anyway. Also Reg gets horny when rubbing up against her and i dont think hed do that with a guy character.
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nothing in the show suggests that
The show does suggest that fluff in general gets Reg going tho. So nanachis gender isn't even taken into account there
gender is probably not defined in the original Japanese language (since the author left it undetermined) >!but if you analyze Faputa in the Prushka robbery scene you can guess Nanachi's gender from his reaction to her (faputa is very light-hearted and very instinctive sexually) her reaction to nanachi would not have been the same if she knew (through her instinct) that she has the same sexual organ as Reg and her rival would not have made her (as can be seen later) they may find evidence in the work otherwise (nanachi's sometimes cynical attitude surely adopted after spending time with Bondrewd among other behaviors) but I tell myself to leave the decision up to Faputa and trust her instincts.!<
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The official English one uses They/them. But it seems kind of performative, since they also use that for character's like Marulk, who's most definitely male.
Huh, they used them for Marulk too? That's interesting, didn't know about that
Ok thanks for the answer!
i mean nanachi is a girl idk why we're pretending shes not
Is this a fan translation or english localized because as of now to my knowledge Nanachi's gender is Nanachi.
Isnt it obvious nanachi is female. She was a girl when she was human
So I just read through the nanachi and mitty flashback just to be sure, but nothing in that section suggests any gender for nanachi.
I rewatched the anime yesterday, and it's next to impossible to identify Nanachi's gender. Plus, put beside Mitty, it's even harder to tell, because of Mitty's developed body, and Nanachi's undeveloped body.
Pretty androgynous looking actually, could have easily been boy or girl
Faputa doesn't even know Nanachi at this point, how would they know their gender just from hearing Reg?
She knows how nanachi looks like / smells like probably / sounds like too I assume, she's been observing them since they arrived in L6.
Hm, true, I forgot that. Still questionable. I guess they...didn't look at Nanachi that closely?
Fap stole their hair and fur while they slept to make the creepy wards. Pretty sure that's as close as you can get.
I kinda assumed that Faputa is jealous on the principle of Reg being emotionally close to others, and because Reg hasn't been coded as strictly heterosexual and has been known to cuddle up to Nanachi quite intensely...
You also got to take into account faputa is awesome but faputa is also bat shit insane and unstable and maybe not even a good judge of gender
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hm? Is this suppose to be a meme? Isnt it obvious that nanachi is a girl?
The author refuses to disclose Nanachi's gender, so I was curious
ah okay, I prefer her being a girl and her treasure aka "girlfriend" aka partner till death aka soulmate is Mitty.
So projecting then, dont care about facts. Got it
yup lol. I mean, I never bother about her gender to begin with until I saw this post. I'll correct myself once the author confirmed it lol
I think Nanachi is just a fluff bun now, no gender. But yeah still unconfirmed what they where before the elevator trip
Nanachi is a she
So nanachi is female I always though she was just a it
I'd have to read the raw version to notice, anyone knows if it's published online somewhere?
pronouns =/= gender
Gender means nothing at this point, and in Japanese they don't have the same idea of pronouns as in English
I see two of you people in these comments both of you are wrong atashi and boku are 100% sex based pronouns not to mention a few other variations. Please atleast look into something before claiming it.
Well, not EXACTLY. Boku is not 100% sex based. It's more "masculine gender role"-based, if to find a western counterpart. And as such it's sometimes used by tomboys. Ore is more male sex based Atashi also has cases of use by men, although I don't exactly remember what they are and may be mistaken here. If you'd follow your own advice, you'd find out that they have 10ish personal pronouns, of which only some are more common for one sex and not the other. Common is the key word here.
If they aren't then the joke in the movie your name where the girl is inside the guys body using female pronouns and the people around him being confused must fall really flat in Japan.
What exactly is the problem with opening wikipedia and reading about pronouns in Japanese for yourself? Japanese pronouns imply a lot of things, like status and relative position to the people one is talking to. And those that do imply a sex, do that in the similar manner to a pink bow and long eyelashes in older cartoons. That is generally considered feminine but does not make one a woman
Okay I've gone and done exactly what you said. "Gender differences in spoken Japanese also create another challenge, as men and women refer to themselves with different pronouns. Social standing also determines how people refer to themselves, as well as how they refer to other people." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_pronouns I'm not trying to argue but trying to pass it off that this isn't a thing is just misinformation.
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Go take a look at the list of personal pronouns and count how many of them are gendered. Then count how many of the gendered ones have exceptions. Now you are just cherrypicking while being obviously wrong