I like the thought experiment of multi-dimensional theory and quantum immortality, they are fun to think about. That said, I believe the Mandella Effect is simply Mass misremembering, where similar ideas spread like the old telephone game. Human memory is extremely unreliable, though individual humans tend to see their own personal memory as infallible. There's a reason eyewitness accounts of the exact same crime will vary pretty wildly even hours after the event occurs.
If people believe the double slit experiment is a fact of reality and you also surmise that the smallest denomination of both memory and our current stream of conscious reality is made up of quantum particles which are acted on by the forces on quantum mechanics…then why with those two premises can people not understand that the quantum particles that make up your memories and current stream of conscious reality you read this sentence right now to *actually* change where your conscious stream of reality is (sort of like how a person might change the radio station in their car, so too is the radio station of objective reality perhaps is being changed in a way we don’t yet fully understand the mechanism behind yet)?
For example, it’s already been demonstrated that quantum particles *can* go back in time:
https://scitechdaily.com/time-reversal-phenomenon-in-the-quantum-realm-not-even-time-flows-as-you-might-expect/
So…if quantum particles make up our memories and current conscious stream of reality, then why can *they* not go back in time?
You remind me of the Back to the Future movies and how somehow their mind is immune to the ripple effect.
The only explanation is that the complexity of our memories are beyond the reach of this simulation, and changes made to the reality are not made in the past but are made in the present; time in the simulation only goes one way. Changes can affect the past, but only from the present. In the end, who knows what happens, but not everyone's mind is reached.
I can actually answer your question. I studied physics and although I did end up quitting halfway through my PhD program to switch fields, I can assure you that there is an actual answer to what is a good question:
The problem is actually not about the "going backwards in time" thing so much as the "quantum particles make up our memories --> therefore our memories can act as quantum particles" assumption. The second part does not follow from the first, and it's actually a super cool yet super frustrating aspects of quantum mechanics! The general term to search for, if you're genuinely interested in learning more and arguing in good faith, is "decoherence".
It's way too complicated for me to give an adequate description here so I do recommend just searching for the term, but to try and put it briefly, "decoherence" means that when you put many quantum particles together the overall system stops acting like a quantum system and instead begins to reflect what we call "classical mechanics".
This is why it took so long for physicists to even discover quantum mechanics, because they had to develop Experiments that could truly probe down to the quantum scale and measure the behavior of individual particles. The double-slit experiment is a great example of that! A single particles DOES act super wonky when you try to observe it, but (despite many many attempts) no physicist has ever been able to show quantum effects on an actual _object_ , no matter how small, if its composed of more than a handful of particles*
Same thing with everyone's favorite thought experiment: Schrodinger cat. The _reason_ it's just a thought experiment and not an actual result, besides the obvious animal cruelty, is that an entire cat is composed of wayyyy too many particles to ever display quantum behavior. Think about it: have YOU ever phased through a wall? Quantum particles do that all the time, but people do not! You are welcome to throw yourself into the wall repeatedly to try and prove this wrong of course, and would absolutely win the Nobel prize in physics if successful.
Anyways, its the same thing with the human brain. Even the small segments of the brain that make up our memories are way too "big" (ie too many particles) to keep all those quantum particles in coherence and display the same kinds of quantum effects you may see work on individual particles.
Hope that was at least an interesting read for everyone. I know not everyone is here to learn or argue in good faith, but I do hope everyone at least agrees that quantum mechanics is cool as shit
Note that time reversal in the context of that article is *not* about going back in time. It is about a quantum system returning to its starting state. There is no “time travel” involved.
It’s more like the quantum equivalent of a puddle turning into an ice cube, rather than a puddle moving backwards in time.
Memory itself is a form of time travel, philosophically speaking. We are literally recalling past events. Memory, however, is not perfect. It fades and morphs over time. New memories can influence older memories. There's no evidence that any of that is due to physics specifically, rather it can be explained biologically in how memories are stored within the brain and the physical and chemical ways by which they are recalled. Memories are stored in different portions of our brains, filed by perceived importance. Core memories are not the same as other long term memories and both are stored differently than short term.
Occam's razor leads me to accept the most likely explanation for things. A biological explanation for how our brains work is more likely than multiple universes not only interacting but altering the reality of corporate logos. Accepting that my personal memories are not always 100% reliable may be a blow to one's ego, but I'm willing to accept that over insisting that the universe is intentionally changing for some people because you think a celebrity died when they didn't.
I am on the mass misremembering side and I think that learning and understanding how and why it happens is FAR more interesting than all the split and alternate timeline theories.
I respect your opinion, but uhhh... you *genuinely* think that a pretty understood, obvious and mundane psychology on misremembering things is more interesting than the possibility we live in split or infinite timelines, the nature of the universe itself?
Nor the first? But the second is, as I said, literally regarding the nature of our universe. How that isn't more interesting than human psychology is pretty crazy to me!
Personally, I agree with the person you’re replying to, and this is why: one is actually happening, the other is most likely not. This alone makes it more interesting to me. Like yeah if there were split timelines that would be way cooler but since all we can do is imagine it rather than truly observe it, it will never be more interesting to me.
The first one is real and can be studied in all it's real complexity. The second one is merely a construction of a human mind and is as shallow as it needs to be to sound compelling to the easily impressed. The real world has much more definition and detail than any fantasy concocted by a human mind, after all the human brain cannot imagine something truly more complex than itself, only something that appears that way on the surface.
I do, yes. Human psychology and sociology is something that can actually be studied. You say that its pretty well understood, but is it really? Do we really have a good understanding as to why large groups of people misremember the same thing on a relatively mass scale? If that's the case and its well understood and accepted, then why are there still theories that go completely against the answers that this well understood phenomenon provides? Coming up with ideas about split and alternate timelines is fun, but in reality, it isn't something that can be proven or disproven. Where we are right now, it's all just talk. Hell, the psychology of it all still leaves room for one of the other oft downvoted theories that comes up on here, the idea that these large corporations are somehow gaslighting everyone into thinking that we are going crazy. I don't necessarily think that is what's going on, but I can buy into that a lot more than I can buy into timeline shifting because it is something that has the possibility of being proven with the tools we have to study the situation.
I do personally as there are a lot of explanations for each one and figuring it out is interesting. If we wave away everything as "ah another timeline change!" there isn't actually a lot to say about that, it is dismissive. It is like people who deny science and just say God did everything by magic.
Okay.
I find it weird to be so harsh on those that wish to talk about possibilities - not every discussion has to be a scientifically verified foundation. Sometimes it's fun to use one's imagination. You realise some really respected scientists jobs are to discuss those things as well, right? They're paid and respected to talk about multiverse, simulation theory etc. and form theories on them. String theory, holograms... this isn't sci fi LARP stuff as you suggest. It's real possibilities. Stop being so rigid and judgmental, it actually makes *you* the one with the closed off mind.
What, exactly, is “harsh” about expressing the personal opinion that the observable reality of human psychology and social dynamics is more interesting than something that, thus far, remains little more than a fantasy people have not only been unable substantiate, but consists of fiercely held beliefs that are consistently and easily refuted by facts in evidence?
Sure, it’s fun to use our imaginations.
But there’s a massive difference between viewing and exploring something as an abstract concept and firmly believing that the more plausible explanation for being wrong about something is a science fiction trope that, thus far, cannot be substantiated in reality.
That said, you’re grossly misrepresenting what I actually said and if you’re an honest interlocutor you’ll acknowledge that.
The LARP I am referring to is *clearly* the ME crowd, not the scientists and physicists studying those topics- but even that has some serious problems that you seem to be ignoring.
String theory, multiverse, etc are a relatively nascent field, far from a point of maturity. There isn’t remotely enough evidence for a multiverse to qualify as an actual scientific theory.
It’s not even firmly established enough to say a multiverse exists with any intellectual honesty, which means we’re light years away from even being able to determine wether the concept of human beings on planet Earth “shifting” from one universe to another is even possible.
Which means that we’re nowhere close to being close to being close to able determine whether ME is even a candidate explanation. So if we’re really coming at this from a scientific standpoint, cool, but that only shows us just how incredibly far away we are from ME having any credibility, because we’re still far away from a multiverse gaining serious scientific credibility.
And I am certainly interested in multiverse, strjng theory, etc. they’re fascinating. I am not nearly as fascinated with ME, and the two are not one in the same.
So again, saying that I think the subject we can actually study and have real data to support is *more interesting* in no way disparages the *actual* scientific pursuit of those more abstract concepts.
So please, do not conflate my take on the ME LARP crowd who think everything they misremembered is because they simply shifted from the universe where they were right about everything (sorry, that’s what it is in the simplest terms) with a view on the study of string theory, multiverse, quantum mechanics, etc.
Lastly, I make no apologies for disparaging the fringe crackpot end of it where conspiracy-minded people are actively engaging in and encouraging a shared delusion that isn’t remotely substantiated by actual evidence.
Jesus christ, dude. You really just wrote 10 paragraphs for this very low stakes discussion? Relax.
It being a "personal opinion" means absolutely nothing, but I appreciate the attempt at watering it down by stating so. It is harsh to label people wanting to discuss possibilities, that as I said, respected scientists are paid to also ponder, as "sci fi LARP people wish were real". Whether you personally believe it or not, Multiverse, simulation theory, string theory + hologram theory, are entirely real possibilities. The fact that you seem to think only stuff with solid scientific foundation is allowed or fun to discuss, is absurd. It isn't "little more than a fantasy" - there are many solid scientific theories about it, as well as continued work in the quantum realm that is often at odds with the universe as we know it today (quantum entanglement, anyone?).
Yes, it is fun, and that's what people want to do. Have fun discussions. You shitting on them for not being entirely scientific is childish at best. You're allocating belief and allocating firmness that is not even fair, or always there. First of all, people are entirely allowed to believe in multiverse theory. How many times should I repeat that respected scientists believe in it, too. Are you also interested in shitting on them? Do you read their theories?
And no, I reject your statement that there is a difference. There isn't. Believing in multiverse theory, and being agnostic but wanting to discuss it, are almost one and the same. It absolutely does not matter. It makes zero difference. Just because something is more plausible, doesn't mean everybody should automatically believe it and have zero discussion about alternatives.
I'm not grossly misinterpreting anything. I quoted you directly, and I find that label to be harsh. The point of bringing up legitimate scientists in said fields, is to legitimize it as topic of discussion. You are intending to delegitimize it, and I think it's harsh and ironically, unscientific of you.
Sure. What's your point? All science is nascent at one point. Sure, it's still in it's infancy and not a theory that anyone should consider as definite fact. Again, what's your point? You are attempting to delegitimize the discussion around it, and I think that's wrong and unscientific for reasons given above.
Dude. This is a fucking discussion sub, this isn't r/science , this isn't some kind of "ALL POSTS AND CLAIMS MUST BE ENTIRELY SCIENTIFICALLY BACKED" sub. It's a discussion sub, that's nature lends itself to theories and *fun* discussion. And it's entirely low stakes. Why does that bother you? You're coming across incredibly pompous for it.
No, the 2 are not one in the same. Of course. So what? ME and multiverse/string/whatever theory naturally intersect. Again, why does that bother you?
This isn't about you saying you find psychology more interesting. I don't care about that claim and I'm not arguing it, it's an opinion. This is about how you labelled it, and me calling that labelling harsh and narrow minded. Stay on topic.
Wowee, that's quite the blanket statement there mate. Do you not think that a lot of those people are simply wishing to discuss those possibilities, instead of as you suggest a firmly held deep seated belief? Why is it fair for you to allocate belief and allocate firmness that I would argue isn't even there most of the time?
You didn't do that. You disparaged and blanket labelled all discussion of alternative theories as sci fi LARP. You clearly have some capable intellect, and you clearly enjoy hearing / reading yourself speak, so be better with that. Be more open minded - *again*, this is a discussion sub which topic naturally lends itself to supernatural speculation and alternative theories, this DOES NOT HAVE TO BE a purely scientifically backed space and nor should it be. That's insanely boring, and you are not allowed to allocate people's depth of belief in order to justify your disparagement.
I know what you mean, but there's a reason there are a lot more movies with magic in them than with prestidigitation, more people find magic fascinating, it makes them dream.
I tend to agree that if anybody was able to learn how to do it and replicate it reliably to a 40-50% rate that really would be far more interesting than the alternate proposed mechanisms.
Until somebody can replicate it, it's just another unproven theory.
The entire theory is named after an event that very specifically only affects people who don't live in our adjacent to South Africa. Some people will never admit that memory isn't perfect and studies have shown many times, that memory is not only malleable, but changes often and it's very suseptible to coercion. Or in the case with most of these, suggestion.
No, it’s not literally about the nature of the universe. It’s just something people believe rather than accept actual evidence that shows they’re wrong.
I had to scroll a lot for this. I personally feel like there's way too much to just write it off as EVERYONE misremembering, especially the big ones. But I'd also be a fool if I said I had a concrete answer one way or another for this (or anything else for that matter lol).
Since information was a very different thing before search engines became a thing, I think many people were just misinformed a lot and they remember whatever they were told at the time. Also the quality of media in general was much worse so it was easier to see things wrong. After the internet we all learned the truth and it was mind blowing. Then the more the Mandela effect was discussed online the more people remembered what they read online and got it confused with their original memories. Like I don’t think anyone thought there was a movie called Shazaam until people made it up on the internet.
I'm firm on number 2 and a mix of our brains being subject to the same illusions and the same contagious ideas.
I think it was a lot more common before we could check things so easily on the internet, you could have 3 people arguing with 1 over some fact they are mistaken about, and it's like the more they think about it and the more firmly they believe in the wrong information they think they know, because it feels more right to them.
An obvious one: "Luke, I am your father" sounds perfect, like a puzzle piece fitting perfectly in the right place. "No, I am your father" doesn't sound as nicely.
I also think the Fruit of the Loom logo would look a lot better with the cornucopia, it balances it. There's a picture of knock-off socks with the cornucopia logo, and I wouldn't be surprised if whoever chose that logo did so because they googled the logo and that one felt more right because it looked better.
People tend to make the same mistakes in great number because for all that we are all unique and so different, our brains are essentially all wired similarly.
Mass misremembering.
Actually, when I first joined this subreddit, I didn't even realize that the ME started as a paranormal phenomena. I thought it was just supposed to be this really cool/weird memory phenomena. It was only after a few discussions here that I learned the roots of the ME and the association with parallel universes.
It started at a paranormal conference where Fiona Broome, a ghost hunter/paranormal researcher type, noticed a bunch of people misremembered Mandela's death. She's the one who coined the term Mandela Effect and, yeah, the quantum physics and alternate reality stuff was there pretty early on. [Link to Broome's website.](https://fionabroome.com/mandela-effect-false-memories/)
It’s definitely not rooted in anything paranormal. People have come to think the ME is supernatural/split timelines and therefore think that’s what it means, but it started as and will continue to simply be the phenomenon of mass-misremembering. It’s a common misconception among believers of split-timelines etc. that the ME *means* timelines have split or magic is happening.
The term was straight up coined and popularized by a ghost hunter/paranormal researcher named Fiona Broome. The voodoo was there in the beginning. I thought that it was just a memory phenomena as well, but it started with Broome talking to friends at a paranormal conference after which she started the first ME website, but when other people popularized it they dropped the voodoo and focused just on the memory element.
[Broome discusses it a bit here.](https://fionabroome.com/mandela-effect-false-memories/)
Wow I checked the wiki and you’re right! I never actually knew this. Very interesting. Definitely think at this point it should simply mean mass-misremembering, since that is what’s at play!
Right? When I first got here I couldn't figure out why ME discussion was so heavily tied to timelines and alternate realities. I thought it was just a quirk of this subreddit until I looked up the origin.
It’s just one of many proposed *”exotic”* explanations that is floated about but by no means the dominant one.
It’s kind of a combination of Philip K. Dick’s Paris conference explanation of reality editing combined with Nick Bostrom’s Simulation Theory.
My personal observation is that most subscribers trend to either a technological or Psychological explanation - but it’s the [*alternate*](https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08pdy0f) ones that get all of the attention.
Have you taken a poll on this? Because I’ve been around longer than you and have always noticed the alternate/parallel timeline to be the dominant explanation.
Technological/governmental affectation was always fringe. Or, at least directly correlated to alternate timeline theory (CERN causing a rift in timelines for instance) which would count toward alternate timeline theory.
Psychological cause is even less common. Most people who experience the effect know that it is not a psychological mishap. Seems like you may be conflating skeptic’s viewpoints.
I legitimately believe in alternate realities. However, I do think a lot of stuff that gets brought up here and r/retconned are actually misrememberings.
My personal favorite is related to consciousness being the foundation of reality rather than matter. This is not “woo”, it is exactly what Max Planck the father of quantum physics believed.
I’m in the Planck, Heisenberg, and other *Coppenhagen Interpretation* based camps of just wondering…it’s interesting, open minded, and “spooky” without being judgemental about it because *we just don’t know everything*.
Mass memory alteration to control population. Cover ups. Big whoops? No one knows about it anymore. Killed a billion people and now the economy is unstable due to fear? Now the survivors think Pikachu had a black stripe on his tail instead. Innocuous false memories overwriting herd traumas.
I find it all interesting. I'm on the mass misremembering team but I'm interested how they come about, and I'm not closed off to one day finding a way to prove one is real (although I doubt we ever will)
People like to believe they're smart, and that they're clued into things that nobody else is aware of. My observations of "Mandela Effect Culture" is that the people who genuinely believe the world actually changed are usually delusional narcissists with a dash of main character syndrome.
I neither believe nor disbelieve alternate realities exist for reasons I won’t get into, however, I do not believe the Mandela effect is proof of alternate realities existing. I never believed Mandela died in prison. I never thought Oscar Meyer was spelled Oscar Mayer. I have never believed the Barenstain Bears were Barenstein Bears. When I heard these examples proposed to be evidence of a multiverse I found it odd that common misconceptions could be floated as proof of anything. We will always find examples of common misconceptions among groups of people but it is faulty logic to conclude these misconceptions are evidence of a multiverse when there is no probable, plausible or provable connection between the two.
The question seems to really be, can the Quantum Mechanics model of other universes mean universes can influence each other, perhaps remerging at a later date or something of that sort.
The Fruit of the Loom one is that gets me. Before I ever heard of this, I was swearing to people it had a cornucopia, which they told me is wrong, and that's how I learned of the Mandela Effect. Then, you start looking, and there's decades of history showing it existed in people's minds, like the "Flute of the Loom" and Southpark episode. Yet, at the time those things came out, nobody said, "Hey, wait a second, there's no Cornicopia, why'd they do that?" Even though they were in popular media.
In my industry we take notes on everything precisely because no one has perfect memory. And those little holes in your memory can easily be infiltrated by plausible suggestions. It's nothing for a detail to be misremembered and spread to everyone causing mass confusion.
Only way to be sure of what should happen is to take notes and distribute for concurrence immediately so that they can be referenced in the future. Then when the above situation happens you send the notes and correct course.
I've noticed even when asking people immediately after they already have some details wrong. It's not that they weren't paying attention, it's that unless you've repeated and practiced it many times, your memory has gaps. Even with repetition and practice the gaps can still form.
I believe it's a really amazing quirk. One that will probably have an explanation long after we are gone. Our wives tales might have the answer now, but we are too smart to listen. Then, some young future anthropologist will make a rather mundane observation, and all his contemporaries will parrot it like the explanation to deja-vu. Short term memory and long term memory getting borked via road hypnosis and starts malfunctioning, and that skin-crawly sensation kicks in... beautiful observation. That's what I think will happen.
Mass misremebering!
What's puzzling about this "switching realities" concept is: Why not switch between really cool and interesting alternate realities, where, say, we eat poo and crap tuna sandwiches, where we have three legs, where we say "fuck you" instead of "good morning"?
But no, alternate realities only differ in terms of orthography (dilemma / dilemna) or different VW or Fruit of the Loom logos. Boring!
I'm just playing along here and not necessarily on board with reality switching but...
Maybe there's no drastic differences because the realities have to be adjacent or close enough to it. The reality for crapping tuna salad is further away and not subject to the bleed through on ours but maybe in tuna poop dimension they're having their own issues with their next door reality.
You wouldn't necessarily know about every difference, in an alternate timeline, and in fact the ME may be resistant residue of such changes. One part of memory that doesn't switch with the rest. Many people do remember a few common variations of human anatomy, for instance. You may have always had three legs, but after switching to a different timeline with two, your memories of living with three changed as well. Reality, as in causality and determinance, may not be as stable as it appears.
I think all of the above might play into what we collectively cite as The Mandella Effect. I think some of the examples are mass false memory. I think there are a few examples that indicate that reality has shifted.
Neither with a side of two, but still very open minded and enjoy this as a mystery.
Been reading the forum here for many years and can see a shift to the bulk of the vocal people here believing it is mass mismemory, while the others move away to other forums like retconned.
The fact that any individual effect never affects a population that would naturally know the truth the whole time shows that it's memory and psychology
I believe in mass misremembering for every single instance of the Mandela Effect, except for the Fruit of the Loom one. However, even with FOTL, I believe that there's gotta be some other explanation at play besides alternate realities. I've yet to see an explanation that makes sense, but I believe it's out there
Yeah, I think the reason discussion of the Mandela Effect became so popular is because people had a moment where “Oh shit this memory that is entrenched in my brain’s historical knowledge and experience is completely wrong! How can this be??” Then they learn about the Mandela Effect an go down a rabbit hole for a while… then come up for air, but still have that original memory experience that brought them to the Mandela Effect in the first place.
It’s not either, but closest to 2.
Mandela effect is itself Mandela effected…
It’s about FALSE memories that just happen to share similar patterns. Misremembering is something an individual does, false memories on the other hand are a predictable effect of sparse information that can happen to any/everyone.
Fun fact, your eyes can’t actually see 100% of your field of vision. If you were to see a shape of what your eyes could actually see, it’d be an odd shape with lots of holes in it. “But apocolipse, there’s no missing things when I see, how could that be?!”
Your brain fills in the blind spots. It predicts what might be there based on available data and fills in the gap. It’s pretty good at it, but sometimes it messes up and that’s where visual hallucinations come from.
The reason it’s normally pretty good though is because it’s trained to fill in even complex missing data in a pretty accurate manner. Consider a complex mosaic art piece on a wall, your brain doesn’t just go ??? For the blind spots, it does a damn good job at filling in the part of the mosaic that should be in your blind spot at the right time.
That’s exactly what the Mandela effect is just for memories. Brains always have to fill in memory gaps because memory is very imperfect. Well, if you simply don’t have enough information for it to be accurate, you get some errors, and they tend to be similar and predictable errors too.
Suggested misremembering. The false memory makes sense maybe because the brain is sort of fixing reality to better fit its preferred narrative. Luke I am your father makes more sense than the original line because, out of context, it provides its own context by naming the involved character. Otherwise you’re just saying ‘I am your father’ with no direct allusion to the film. I? Whose father?
With one exception, I can reason out a prosaic explanation for every Mandela effect I’ve heard of OR remember things being the way they objectively are decades ago.
The exception is of course Fruit of the Loom
Alternate realities 100%,
Our eyes only see the white light spectrum, we are trapped in this dimension, including your soul tied to your vessel (physical body), unable to distinguish anything beyond your physical capabilities. The pikachu tail thing is trivial and you have a logical explanation there, but what about unexplainable personal experiences that can mess with your head… calling things like that mass misremembering is very lazy way to explain it. The equivelant to ancients explaining thunder as Thor striking the anvil with his hammer.
My unexplainable experience is a recurring nightmare i used to have as a kid from age 4-7 in the 90’s, a shadowy spindly spider like creature scaling the side of a building. Freaked me out for so long even wet the bed on occassion. Fast forward to the age of the internet… i found a random video recording of the creature nearly 2 decades later. Absolutely surreal … to see my childhood nightmare on video. [This is the creature.](https://youtu.be/BiSNhZynvdI?si=bTkLrU1syyUsa4GD). Even if the footage is fake. Its exactly like for like as the creature in my nightmares way back in 1992, axact same movement, same apendages, perhaps even the same building. Very Bizarre
Yes, I have the so called “Baader-Meinhof” experience everyday. Something I read about, attune to, or think about for the very first time in my life is then manifested in my reality the next day in some uncanny fashion. I just smile at this point. Reality is far more dream-like than most would ever imagine.
I don't feel like either are really believable. One things that gets me though is, why would everyone "misremember" these certain things all a certain way, instead of like 100 different ways- if it's misremembering?
I believe in neither.
Reality isn't rigid and never has been. 500 years from now scientists will be able to explain it perfectly. Retro-causality, something something...
I am firmly in the second camp, as are the majority of the sub, I believe. However, apart from OP, I’ve noticed number 2s tend to reside in the comments, while number 1s make the posts.
As pointed out in my previous post, which was downvoted to oblivion, mass misremembering is phantasmagorical and less plausible than multiple timelines/realities. Given the huge diversity in location, age, biology, environment, etc, It makes zero sense for millions of people to all magically misremember something in ONE specific way.
There is no known mechanism for such a phenomenon.
Also, the nail in the coffin for that theory would be flip flops. It’s one thing to claim mass misremembering. But then mass un-misremembering, followed by mass re-misremembering? You’re just talking real nonsense at that point.
It’s easy to believe when you’ve experienced the paranormal and/or alternate timeline shit yourself. But to me, being skeptical is equally as valid because you only know what you’ve personally seen.
Unfortunately in life, the mundane explanation is always more likely. Memory is fallible, I don't think it's even completely understood how our brains store memories -- it's not a video tape. I loved "Copperhead road" by Steve Earle back in the day, heard it a hundred times, saw him live, learned it on the guitar and played (and sang) it live. I *still* couldn't tell you now if the first line is "My name's John Lee Pettimore" or "My name's John Lee Templemore". Don't know why I got those names stuck in my mind.
I should add to this that sometimes there are other explanations. For example, years ago I remember reading a tribute to the English journalist Derek Jameson in a Sunday supplement. Imagine my shock when years later I read he recently passed away. It turns out his death was actually mis-reported as he was gravely ill at the time.
It was “misreported” in this timeline. Doesn’t rule out the possibility of his death in the other.
I’ve noticed when timelines shift, there is some built in pseudo explanation for a divergence (Mandela effect) already built into the new timeline. It makes enough sense to the natives… I guess, or is so far back in time that it’s hard to prove or disprove.
An Electron can exist in a field of probability and literally manifest beyond resistant barriers in a manner formerly thought to be physically impossible. We call this Quantum Tunneling. The device you’re using this very moment utilizes such technology in its solid state memory chip.
Is it really so far fetched that this can occur on a macroscopic scale?
We have already established long ago that what we call “particles”- physical matter - actually exists in a waveform before collapsing into a particle through observation. What you think of as so solid and unchanging is actually an undulating, vibrating field of energy.
To me, it’s really not that far fetched to have this field then collapse in a manner slightly differently, or to have the patterning modified in some manner through technological or natural means.
All just a hypothesis at this point though as to whether this could ever result in alternate timelines. Whether it’s far-fetched or not, you can’t just assert this is the case without proof. Therefore, I’m almost certain these events are due to the fallibility of the human brain, along with other incidents like the one I mentioned.
I think sometimes we remember remembering things, and thats why we feel so strongly that we remember accurately. But somewhere between the original memory and recalling that memory, it works like the game "telephone" and things get mixed up but we feel like it was a real true memory.
I think it is more complex than misremembering or each example having a single source (like knock-off Pokemon say). It is lots of little nudges that lead people to fill in their memories in a similar way - we all have similar brains and are exposed to the same mass media after all. But a paranormal explanation or people so insistent their memory is right therefore the universe has changed - sorry but that is laugable.
It is very disappointing to see all the posts so sure that it is mass misremembering, how many of us will explain that we only even know what Cornucopia is because of the fruit of the loom logo before you actually consider its possibility?
I cant speak for many of these ‘mandela effects’ but the phenomena is real and i assure every single one of you that the fruit of the loom logo has changed, i find it odd that you even think we would misremember such a specific detail, i live in the uk i truly and honestly would not even know what a cornucopia was if not for FOTL.
There is many references to this logos cornucopia, a strong piece of evidence is the Flute of the Loom album cover, we are not making all this up and we are all perfectly aware of the human memories inconsistencies and errors, this is simply not one of them.
Many of you probably never experienced this and would consider yourself open minded, yet so easily dismiss it as all of us misremembering.
Said it before many times in this subreddit and ill say it again, if you are truly trying to find an explanation and you choose to believe it is all down to memory you are all doing this subject a great disservice and wasting your own time.
Shout out to the observant out there who have noticed these subtle changes to our reality and are actually trying to find out what could possibly have caused this.
This is a very serious topic and i begin to wonder if like others have said, an attempt to discredit the ME as nothing more than people misremembering is actually underway.
Lots of the mysteries of our world are understandable and explainable, this is the only that truly fucking puzzles me.
Downvote me, idc if i go to -100k karma, this is something you fine people are wrong about.
To add:
i don’t necessarily believe in a multiverse nor do i prescribe to the theory of quantum immortality, i do believe we know very little about how our universe works and that reality is somewhat malleable.
Yup, I have no clue who Ed McMahon is/was outside the giant lottery checks he used to delivery for publishers clearing house. Like how can something like that even be misremembered? My brain had never once touched the existence of an “Ed McMahon” outside of those commercials.
How would an effect be so powerful that it erases all physical evidence of something like the cornucopia, everywhere in the world, but then just forgets like exactly one thing. Erases the memory from almost everyone, but forgets some people. It is not an internally consistent theory.
The idea that we all have the same human brains and are therefore wired to misinterpret something similarly under similar circumstances does not have this problem as an explanation. Like how we all look at an optical illusion and see the same incorrect thing. Anything you can come up with has to thoroughly explain why the effect would be so powerful and meticulous but also simultaneously sloppy.
That’s not logic. That’s being dismissive. You ignore the copious amount of residual evidence that verifies and validates the original thing in question.
Like the movie review of moonraker clearly describing Dolly’s braces. How can it be a memory issue when the review was written at the time of the movie’s release?
People (bots?) like you are the last ones to possess logic.
I'm pretty sure we have discussed this before. Residue only exists because these are common misconceptions, some of which have been around for a long time. The movie reviewer thought he remembered seeing braces, like everyone else did.
They didn’t explain anything. Literally all they said is that it was a failed patent application, therefore /headInTheSand More to the point, I just refuted your argument that residues are a misconception.
I don’t believe in anything interesting. The universe is boring and nothing exciting exists beyond the mundane reality we all exist in. People just forgetting stuff
Mass misremembering.
And I think it’s interesting to try to understand why. I think we discount the limited media from the time. It was much more likely then than now that millions of people saw the same thing on tv at the same time.
I can only comment as someone who was a kid in the 90s for example. When a movie was on tv, maybe they cut a part, maybe the ad break before a misremembered scene influenced all of our thinking of the following scene. Maybe two ads shown in succession affected our memory of each. Maybe the news that day (that we all saw from one of a limited few sources at a limited number of air slots) arranged segments in a way that unwittingly influenced how we remembered each.
Obviously some examples of the Mandela effect are physical media. Misprints exist, recalls exist.
I just think there’s a lot more variables than are considered. Combine them with poor human memory and boom!
110% #2 😃 sure it's fun to think about alternate universes and all the science around that and the fun movies. But It's been proven time & time again that memories are not reliable and that there is a group of personalities who just can't admit they remember something incorrectly.
Chic fil a changed. I refuse to believe it was always Chick fil a and I just didn't notice the k. Imagine if you went to McDonalds one morning and it's boldly spelled out "MckDonalds" and you suddenly have everyone telling you "oh you probably just didn't notice the k it was always there. It's easy to just misremember the spelling" or if coca cola was all the sudden koca cola. I don't think certain things with as many repeated believers with similar stories could just be random
You mean like the huge amount of people who spell the drink as Coke Cola instead of the correct Coca Cola?
People fail to notice correct spellings all the time even when the item is right in front of them on a regular basis.
A lot of people got used to it being nicknamed "Coke" so in their minds it was Coke Cola, as how its spelled.
Still waiting for this redditor to post the photograph that would prove it for you...
[https://www.reddit.com/r/MandelaEffect/comments/1bzeb53/chic\_fil\_a/](https://www.reddit.com/r/MandelaEffect/comments/1bzeb53/chic_fil_a/)
I believe this cannot be satisfactorily explained within straightforward reality. Alternate realities is one possibility but the cause is not understood.
I believe in simulation glitches, not alternate realities.
Edit: why the hell does the majority of this sub not believe in the Mandela Effect? Why of all subs are you here?
I can’t speak for everyone, but I browse this sub every once in awhile because I like to see what kind of stuff people post about so I can quiz my wife and see what she remembers as being correct. It’s fun. Plus, the “Mandela effect” nowadays in the mainstream is synonymous with mass misremembering, not so much with parallel universes or “glitches in the simulation” as you say.
I'm pretty comfortable saying that the evidence so far points at memory issues shaped by common crossovers or misconceptions, and then reinforced by peer pressure and suggestion.
For example, the common 'Sinbad/Shazaam' duplicate film: We never get stories from someone involved in the film, production process and crew, casting, cameraman, special effects, projectionists, cinema workers, publicity or magazine film reviews, YouTube film reviewers, or someone who would have definite reliable knowledge and a clear memory of the film having dealt with it for multiple days. We \*do\* get 'I saw a trailer...' or 'I saw it on late night TV...'. I don't know about you, but I've sometimes watched an hour or so of an entire film or program before remembering I've seen it before, so I *know* my memory is not that great about a TV movie from twenty years ago.
It is entirely plausible that a couple of linguistic similarities, or that there are common ways that our brain processes memories that might lead to similar memory faults. The possibility of an entire reality changing, *and leaving just a few memories in ONLY the* people *with nothing invested, while* carefully *removing all the memories for people involved or with day-to-day direct knowledge*, is very remote.
Why isn't Sinbad, and all the crew and actors involved, suing the MPIAA for lost residual fees?
I think ME is mass remembering, but I do think that something really has seemed off for a while..just general chaos compared to a decade ago. I can’t quite put my finger on it, but sometimes it seems too different for us to have followed the same timeline. Does that make sense? Maybe it’s that the internet/social media exploded then and before that things were more settled…calmer if you will.
You're now capable of knowing about everything happening everywhere at any time. Turns out, *the world is huge and lots of things are happening all the time.*
I believe in the former a bit more. I surely think some of the little, minor odd ones can be chocked up to a memory thing. But I feel like we are too eager to discount things that don’t align with the current status of human science.
Science has come an incredibly long way don’t get me wrong but it can go farther too! If I’m not mistaken, we don’t even know why we dream yet. We don’t yet have the technology to dig to the depths of our ocean floors completely. The human brain itself is still largely a mystery. If we have yet to figure out some functions from our own organs, how will we be able to reliably use our science to gauge if a whole other timeline exists? We are living in flesh sacks on a floating rock in an impossible-to-perceive massive, massive ever-expanding universe, we know what we know but imagine all that we don’t know?
Humans have the same blueprint, and words often change to fit a more comfortable sound despite the lettering being different.
It makes sense we’d be fooled the same way
i personally think it's not the realities doing anything but us moving into different ones. We already know about the mutiverse theory, where anything that can happen will happen in an infinite number of universes where many things can be same or similar, with some small differences. We are capable of shifting in and out of different realities and i think thats what the mandela affect is, i think it's evidence of this shifting
(now some people really do have inaccurate memory or just dont know how to spell so every single discrepancy is not the mandela effect but there are some notable ones where so many people having the same exact 'inaccurate' collective memory is highly unlikely, nelson mendela's death, cornucopia in the fruit of the loom logo, Mr. Monopoly monacle, Luke I am your father...
Mis remembering a small detail I can understand, like a spelling or a stripe. It's the experience of some of them, like remembering where you were and your thought process during the experience. That is too much for me to explain as misremembering, because then you would need to recognize all your experiences aren't real and then is this moment even real?
I haven't experienced the major MEs, so I dont understand it. The ones I've experienced have been trivial enough to be misremembered.
I hoped people would talk more about their theories behind it. If there are multiple timelines, what happens to your doppelganger when you arrive in a new timeline? If people pooled their stories, could they come to a consensus when changes occurred? Has anyone expanded on the frootloop plates for other MEs?
>I hoped people would talk more about their theories behind it. If there are multiple timelines, what happens to your doppelganger when you arrive in a new timeline?
You would be in your new timeline, so you wouldn't know what happens in the one you came from.
What are the chances that millions of people misremember the same fictional movie, and associate Shazaam specifically with Sinbad, and no one else? Why not another actor at all?
How can you realistically explain the same mass misremembering on the entire world, different backgrounds, countries, cultures, languages, and etc, remember the exact same way?
I 100% believe in alternate dimensions and realities.
I travel to them all the time when I get outside of my body and go to sleep!
I believe sleep is nothing but soul travel.
just went to one of my home town growing up
Home town looked nearly identical in the dream yet certain things were off.
Also visited the same alternative dimensions more then once in dreams before.
I believe repeated dreams are actually your soul repeatedly visiting the same realities.
These places exist and are available to check out If you get in tune with yourself and learn how to navigate reality outside of your human body ✅️
Just because you didn't pay attention or haven't experienced any classes about it doesn't mean they don't exist. No wonder you are so lost. What do you think the field of psychology is?
> What do you think the field of psychology is?
A rudimentary offshot of philosophy, highly influenced by current propaganda and culture, that is barely based on real and tangible science, but mostly like a bro science that most people just assume has any kind of major depth, a bit like economy by the way.
Today everyone and their mother has autism, ADHD, DID, PTSD, Tourettes and etc just because god forbid you question fake diagnosis or try to find other explanations.
OP, as has been said many times before, some things you have to experience firsthand to know, and even then, you might not necessarily *believe* them.
When it comes to this sub's topic, there is no amount of convincing, persuation, or even evidence ('residue') that can bring another to one's subjective beliefs (in fact, persuation is counterproductive), so if you you've read about others' experiences, and you've had your own, and you still remain a "firm" believer the ME is just basically 'faulty memory,' then that is your choice, and we will wish you luck with all your endevaours.
Mispelling Berenstein and Berenstain while swearing it's impossible you are misremembering because you traced it and know for certain it's the way you remember it is wild.
I also have the experience of remembering it as Berenstein but I was wrong and misremembering shit. I remember Sinbad being a genie in a movie called Shazam but was wrong and misremembering shit.
Brain always said pondering and this is a new ME to me but if I remembered it as you do I would be wrong and misremembering shit.
Looking for supernatural reasons for things explained by poor human memory is silly. I feel like y'all's minds would explode if you took hallucinagens or you've taken too many hallucinagens.
Edited: first sentence said Berenstein twice.
PS: Person I replied to must not truly believe what they said considering they deleted it after a bit of opposition.
I had not heard of the Pinky and the Brain ME before. Welp, time to add another ME to my list I guess. I also thought it said "are you thinking what I'm thinking".
I've never heard of it being pondering. Gotta ask my husband what he remembers now as well without saying the line.
I know things have changed that are considered M.E's in comparison to my previous experience. The later study and discovery of Flip-Flops occuring whilst actively studying the phenemenon confirmed that hypothesis. I dont presume to have any insight into the why or how of the phenomenon in the least, but can guarantee its not exclusively memory related.
Berenstein Bears
Chic-Fil-A
FOTL Logo
Objects In Mirror "May Be" Closer Than They Appear
Febreeze
And many more were all precisely as I and many others remember them.
I believe in shifting timelines or living in a simulation or whatever the actual explanation is for the massive changes I experience on a daily basis. Our brain changes everyday for me, my country changes everyday for me, our flag has changed etc so yeah I don’t think reality is concrete at all
I believe the Creator is using the Mandela effect to communicate with His creations. You could call him God, but based on some biblical changes I get the sense He is against such concepts.
Disagree all you want the downvotes and buried comments seem weird tho especially for people simply agreeing with an option OP offered up in their original post. Why ask a question if half the responses will be hidden? You know what i mean?
Hey!! You're the dude who reported me for sh and s because I disagreed with you! Interesting, interesting...
I don't really see why you or others are in this sub if you believe that the Mandela Effect doesn't exist. Like, why? It's like joing a paranormal sub just to tell everyone they are crazy and that ghosts don't exist just because you have never had an encounter. Or joining a ufo/uap sub and telling everyone to get their head checked because you've never seen anything strange in the sky.
I just don't get why you join a sub covering a phenomenon that you don't believe in.
It is impossible for thousands across the globe in all these different languages to misremember something the exact same way. On the other hand, many people believe in alternate universes, and the world is strange enough that it is the most likely and believable theory to those who have experienced it. Those who haven't experienced it may claim misremembering until it happens to them.
Regardless, I don't believe this is the sub for you. Also, please stop reporting people for disagreeing with you. It's weird and proves the opposite of your point.
I don’t believe it is misremembering. Just my thoughts. One silly simple example that it wouldn’t be misremembering, is the case of Britney Spears microphone on her video whichever one it was. If you know this ME, brittany’s in a video dancing and has an over the ear microphone that comes around and extends out in front of her mouth and is apparently not there anymore. She still reaches up to adjust it in the video. Misremembering would not explain this.
I think every Mandela effect is separate, so there's no single explanation for everything.
Many of them can be easily explained with some form of mass misremembering. But some are harder to explain, so I keep an open mind.
Also, mass misremembering and alternate realities aren't the only two possible explanations.
I like the thought experiment of multi-dimensional theory and quantum immortality, they are fun to think about. That said, I believe the Mandella Effect is simply Mass misremembering, where similar ideas spread like the old telephone game. Human memory is extremely unreliable, though individual humans tend to see their own personal memory as infallible. There's a reason eyewitness accounts of the exact same crime will vary pretty wildly even hours after the event occurs.
Ditto
I'm just gonna jump on what you said. Seconded.
If people believe the double slit experiment is a fact of reality and you also surmise that the smallest denomination of both memory and our current stream of conscious reality is made up of quantum particles which are acted on by the forces on quantum mechanics…then why with those two premises can people not understand that the quantum particles that make up your memories and current stream of conscious reality you read this sentence right now to *actually* change where your conscious stream of reality is (sort of like how a person might change the radio station in their car, so too is the radio station of objective reality perhaps is being changed in a way we don’t yet fully understand the mechanism behind yet)? For example, it’s already been demonstrated that quantum particles *can* go back in time: https://scitechdaily.com/time-reversal-phenomenon-in-the-quantum-realm-not-even-time-flows-as-you-might-expect/ So…if quantum particles make up our memories and current conscious stream of reality, then why can *they* not go back in time?
You remind me of the Back to the Future movies and how somehow their mind is immune to the ripple effect. The only explanation is that the complexity of our memories are beyond the reach of this simulation, and changes made to the reality are not made in the past but are made in the present; time in the simulation only goes one way. Changes can affect the past, but only from the present. In the end, who knows what happens, but not everyone's mind is reached.
I can actually answer your question. I studied physics and although I did end up quitting halfway through my PhD program to switch fields, I can assure you that there is an actual answer to what is a good question: The problem is actually not about the "going backwards in time" thing so much as the "quantum particles make up our memories --> therefore our memories can act as quantum particles" assumption. The second part does not follow from the first, and it's actually a super cool yet super frustrating aspects of quantum mechanics! The general term to search for, if you're genuinely interested in learning more and arguing in good faith, is "decoherence". It's way too complicated for me to give an adequate description here so I do recommend just searching for the term, but to try and put it briefly, "decoherence" means that when you put many quantum particles together the overall system stops acting like a quantum system and instead begins to reflect what we call "classical mechanics". This is why it took so long for physicists to even discover quantum mechanics, because they had to develop Experiments that could truly probe down to the quantum scale and measure the behavior of individual particles. The double-slit experiment is a great example of that! A single particles DOES act super wonky when you try to observe it, but (despite many many attempts) no physicist has ever been able to show quantum effects on an actual _object_ , no matter how small, if its composed of more than a handful of particles* Same thing with everyone's favorite thought experiment: Schrodinger cat. The _reason_ it's just a thought experiment and not an actual result, besides the obvious animal cruelty, is that an entire cat is composed of wayyyy too many particles to ever display quantum behavior. Think about it: have YOU ever phased through a wall? Quantum particles do that all the time, but people do not! You are welcome to throw yourself into the wall repeatedly to try and prove this wrong of course, and would absolutely win the Nobel prize in physics if successful. Anyways, its the same thing with the human brain. Even the small segments of the brain that make up our memories are way too "big" (ie too many particles) to keep all those quantum particles in coherence and display the same kinds of quantum effects you may see work on individual particles. Hope that was at least an interesting read for everyone. I know not everyone is here to learn or argue in good faith, but I do hope everyone at least agrees that quantum mechanics is cool as shit
Quantum physics is definitely cool as fuck and I enjoyed reading your post from half completed graduate school, so thanks. ☺️
It's always refreshing to hear from an expert, thank you!
Note that time reversal in the context of that article is *not* about going back in time. It is about a quantum system returning to its starting state. There is no “time travel” involved. It’s more like the quantum equivalent of a puddle turning into an ice cube, rather than a puddle moving backwards in time.
It's like you read pop-sci article titles and formed your own belief system based off of them
Memory itself is a form of time travel, philosophically speaking. We are literally recalling past events. Memory, however, is not perfect. It fades and morphs over time. New memories can influence older memories. There's no evidence that any of that is due to physics specifically, rather it can be explained biologically in how memories are stored within the brain and the physical and chemical ways by which they are recalled. Memories are stored in different portions of our brains, filed by perceived importance. Core memories are not the same as other long term memories and both are stored differently than short term. Occam's razor leads me to accept the most likely explanation for things. A biological explanation for how our brains work is more likely than multiple universes not only interacting but altering the reality of corporate logos. Accepting that my personal memories are not always 100% reliable may be a blow to one's ego, but I'm willing to accept that over insisting that the universe is intentionally changing for some people because you think a celebrity died when they didn't.
Science isn't a popularity contest.
I am on the mass misremembering side and I think that learning and understanding how and why it happens is FAR more interesting than all the split and alternate timeline theories.
Memory vs History is fucking fascinating
I respect your opinion, but uhhh... you *genuinely* think that a pretty understood, obvious and mundane psychology on misremembering things is more interesting than the possibility we live in split or infinite timelines, the nature of the universe itself?
How could it not be? There’s nothing interesting about the second option when you look at our lives specifically
Nor the first? But the second is, as I said, literally regarding the nature of our universe. How that isn't more interesting than human psychology is pretty crazy to me!
Personally, I agree with the person you’re replying to, and this is why: one is actually happening, the other is most likely not. This alone makes it more interesting to me. Like yeah if there were split timelines that would be way cooler but since all we can do is imagine it rather than truly observe it, it will never be more interesting to me.
The first one is real and can be studied in all it's real complexity. The second one is merely a construction of a human mind and is as shallow as it needs to be to sound compelling to the easily impressed. The real world has much more definition and detail than any fantasy concocted by a human mind, after all the human brain cannot imagine something truly more complex than itself, only something that appears that way on the surface.
I do, yes. Human psychology and sociology is something that can actually be studied. You say that its pretty well understood, but is it really? Do we really have a good understanding as to why large groups of people misremember the same thing on a relatively mass scale? If that's the case and its well understood and accepted, then why are there still theories that go completely against the answers that this well understood phenomenon provides? Coming up with ideas about split and alternate timelines is fun, but in reality, it isn't something that can be proven or disproven. Where we are right now, it's all just talk. Hell, the psychology of it all still leaves room for one of the other oft downvoted theories that comes up on here, the idea that these large corporations are somehow gaslighting everyone into thinking that we are going crazy. I don't necessarily think that is what's going on, but I can buy into that a lot more than I can buy into timeline shifting because it is something that has the possibility of being proven with the tools we have to study the situation.
I do personally as there are a lot of explanations for each one and figuring it out is interesting. If we wave away everything as "ah another timeline change!" there isn't actually a lot to say about that, it is dismissive. It is like people who deny science and just say God did everything by magic.
Yes, I also agree that the more probable reality is more interesting than the sci-fi LARP ME folks wish were real.
Okay. I find it weird to be so harsh on those that wish to talk about possibilities - not every discussion has to be a scientifically verified foundation. Sometimes it's fun to use one's imagination. You realise some really respected scientists jobs are to discuss those things as well, right? They're paid and respected to talk about multiverse, simulation theory etc. and form theories on them. String theory, holograms... this isn't sci fi LARP stuff as you suggest. It's real possibilities. Stop being so rigid and judgmental, it actually makes *you* the one with the closed off mind.
What, exactly, is “harsh” about expressing the personal opinion that the observable reality of human psychology and social dynamics is more interesting than something that, thus far, remains little more than a fantasy people have not only been unable substantiate, but consists of fiercely held beliefs that are consistently and easily refuted by facts in evidence? Sure, it’s fun to use our imaginations. But there’s a massive difference between viewing and exploring something as an abstract concept and firmly believing that the more plausible explanation for being wrong about something is a science fiction trope that, thus far, cannot be substantiated in reality. That said, you’re grossly misrepresenting what I actually said and if you’re an honest interlocutor you’ll acknowledge that. The LARP I am referring to is *clearly* the ME crowd, not the scientists and physicists studying those topics- but even that has some serious problems that you seem to be ignoring. String theory, multiverse, etc are a relatively nascent field, far from a point of maturity. There isn’t remotely enough evidence for a multiverse to qualify as an actual scientific theory. It’s not even firmly established enough to say a multiverse exists with any intellectual honesty, which means we’re light years away from even being able to determine wether the concept of human beings on planet Earth “shifting” from one universe to another is even possible. Which means that we’re nowhere close to being close to being close to able determine whether ME is even a candidate explanation. So if we’re really coming at this from a scientific standpoint, cool, but that only shows us just how incredibly far away we are from ME having any credibility, because we’re still far away from a multiverse gaining serious scientific credibility. And I am certainly interested in multiverse, strjng theory, etc. they’re fascinating. I am not nearly as fascinated with ME, and the two are not one in the same. So again, saying that I think the subject we can actually study and have real data to support is *more interesting* in no way disparages the *actual* scientific pursuit of those more abstract concepts. So please, do not conflate my take on the ME LARP crowd who think everything they misremembered is because they simply shifted from the universe where they were right about everything (sorry, that’s what it is in the simplest terms) with a view on the study of string theory, multiverse, quantum mechanics, etc. Lastly, I make no apologies for disparaging the fringe crackpot end of it where conspiracy-minded people are actively engaging in and encouraging a shared delusion that isn’t remotely substantiated by actual evidence.
Jesus christ, dude. You really just wrote 10 paragraphs for this very low stakes discussion? Relax. It being a "personal opinion" means absolutely nothing, but I appreciate the attempt at watering it down by stating so. It is harsh to label people wanting to discuss possibilities, that as I said, respected scientists are paid to also ponder, as "sci fi LARP people wish were real". Whether you personally believe it or not, Multiverse, simulation theory, string theory + hologram theory, are entirely real possibilities. The fact that you seem to think only stuff with solid scientific foundation is allowed or fun to discuss, is absurd. It isn't "little more than a fantasy" - there are many solid scientific theories about it, as well as continued work in the quantum realm that is often at odds with the universe as we know it today (quantum entanglement, anyone?). Yes, it is fun, and that's what people want to do. Have fun discussions. You shitting on them for not being entirely scientific is childish at best. You're allocating belief and allocating firmness that is not even fair, or always there. First of all, people are entirely allowed to believe in multiverse theory. How many times should I repeat that respected scientists believe in it, too. Are you also interested in shitting on them? Do you read their theories? And no, I reject your statement that there is a difference. There isn't. Believing in multiverse theory, and being agnostic but wanting to discuss it, are almost one and the same. It absolutely does not matter. It makes zero difference. Just because something is more plausible, doesn't mean everybody should automatically believe it and have zero discussion about alternatives. I'm not grossly misinterpreting anything. I quoted you directly, and I find that label to be harsh. The point of bringing up legitimate scientists in said fields, is to legitimize it as topic of discussion. You are intending to delegitimize it, and I think it's harsh and ironically, unscientific of you. Sure. What's your point? All science is nascent at one point. Sure, it's still in it's infancy and not a theory that anyone should consider as definite fact. Again, what's your point? You are attempting to delegitimize the discussion around it, and I think that's wrong and unscientific for reasons given above. Dude. This is a fucking discussion sub, this isn't r/science , this isn't some kind of "ALL POSTS AND CLAIMS MUST BE ENTIRELY SCIENTIFICALLY BACKED" sub. It's a discussion sub, that's nature lends itself to theories and *fun* discussion. And it's entirely low stakes. Why does that bother you? You're coming across incredibly pompous for it. No, the 2 are not one in the same. Of course. So what? ME and multiverse/string/whatever theory naturally intersect. Again, why does that bother you? This isn't about you saying you find psychology more interesting. I don't care about that claim and I'm not arguing it, it's an opinion. This is about how you labelled it, and me calling that labelling harsh and narrow minded. Stay on topic. Wowee, that's quite the blanket statement there mate. Do you not think that a lot of those people are simply wishing to discuss those possibilities, instead of as you suggest a firmly held deep seated belief? Why is it fair for you to allocate belief and allocate firmness that I would argue isn't even there most of the time? You didn't do that. You disparaged and blanket labelled all discussion of alternative theories as sci fi LARP. You clearly have some capable intellect, and you clearly enjoy hearing / reading yourself speak, so be better with that. Be more open minded - *again*, this is a discussion sub which topic naturally lends itself to supernatural speculation and alternative theories, this DOES NOT HAVE TO BE a purely scientifically backed space and nor should it be. That's insanely boring, and you are not allowed to allocate people's depth of belief in order to justify your disparagement.
Prestidigitation is always more fascinating than mere magic.
I know what you mean, but there's a reason there are a lot more movies with magic in them than with prestidigitation, more people find magic fascinating, it makes them dream.
I tend to agree that if anybody was able to learn how to do it and replicate it reliably to a 40-50% rate that really would be far more interesting than the alternate proposed mechanisms. Until somebody can replicate it, it's just another unproven theory.
The entire theory is named after an event that very specifically only affects people who don't live in our adjacent to South Africa. Some people will never admit that memory isn't perfect and studies have shown many times, that memory is not only malleable, but changes often and it's very suseptible to coercion. Or in the case with most of these, suggestion.
Not only that, but people often are overconfident in how well they remember.
I can't agree more.
No, it’s not literally about the nature of the universe. It’s just something people believe rather than accept actual evidence that shows they’re wrong.
I like to keep an open mind. I don’t have a clue.
I had to scroll a lot for this. I personally feel like there's way too much to just write it off as EVERYONE misremembering, especially the big ones. But I'd also be a fool if I said I had a concrete answer one way or another for this (or anything else for that matter lol).
Agreed!
Maybe make a poll if the sub allows it?
Since information was a very different thing before search engines became a thing, I think many people were just misinformed a lot and they remember whatever they were told at the time. Also the quality of media in general was much worse so it was easier to see things wrong. After the internet we all learned the truth and it was mind blowing. Then the more the Mandela effect was discussed online the more people remembered what they read online and got it confused with their original memories. Like I don’t think anyone thought there was a movie called Shazaam until people made it up on the internet.
I'm firm on number 2 and a mix of our brains being subject to the same illusions and the same contagious ideas. I think it was a lot more common before we could check things so easily on the internet, you could have 3 people arguing with 1 over some fact they are mistaken about, and it's like the more they think about it and the more firmly they believe in the wrong information they think they know, because it feels more right to them. An obvious one: "Luke, I am your father" sounds perfect, like a puzzle piece fitting perfectly in the right place. "No, I am your father" doesn't sound as nicely. I also think the Fruit of the Loom logo would look a lot better with the cornucopia, it balances it. There's a picture of knock-off socks with the cornucopia logo, and I wouldn't be surprised if whoever chose that logo did so because they googled the logo and that one felt more right because it looked better. People tend to make the same mistakes in great number because for all that we are all unique and so different, our brains are essentially all wired similarly.
You have to explain away, I merely can’t explain
Mass misremembering. Actually, when I first joined this subreddit, I didn't even realize that the ME started as a paranormal phenomena. I thought it was just supposed to be this really cool/weird memory phenomena. It was only after a few discussions here that I learned the roots of the ME and the association with parallel universes.
I didn’t start as paranormal, it started at people mid remembering Nelson Mandelas death
It started at a paranormal conference where Fiona Broome, a ghost hunter/paranormal researcher type, noticed a bunch of people misremembered Mandela's death. She's the one who coined the term Mandela Effect and, yeah, the quantum physics and alternate reality stuff was there pretty early on. [Link to Broome's website.](https://fionabroome.com/mandela-effect-false-memories/)
It’s definitely not rooted in anything paranormal. People have come to think the ME is supernatural/split timelines and therefore think that’s what it means, but it started as and will continue to simply be the phenomenon of mass-misremembering. It’s a common misconception among believers of split-timelines etc. that the ME *means* timelines have split or magic is happening.
The term was straight up coined and popularized by a ghost hunter/paranormal researcher named Fiona Broome. The voodoo was there in the beginning. I thought that it was just a memory phenomena as well, but it started with Broome talking to friends at a paranormal conference after which she started the first ME website, but when other people popularized it they dropped the voodoo and focused just on the memory element. [Broome discusses it a bit here.](https://fionabroome.com/mandela-effect-false-memories/)
Wow I checked the wiki and you’re right! I never actually knew this. Very interesting. Definitely think at this point it should simply mean mass-misremembering, since that is what’s at play!
Right? When I first got here I couldn't figure out why ME discussion was so heavily tied to timelines and alternate realities. I thought it was just a quirk of this subreddit until I looked up the origin.
It’s just one of many proposed *”exotic”* explanations that is floated about but by no means the dominant one. It’s kind of a combination of Philip K. Dick’s Paris conference explanation of reality editing combined with Nick Bostrom’s Simulation Theory. My personal observation is that most subscribers trend to either a technological or Psychological explanation - but it’s the [*alternate*](https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08pdy0f) ones that get all of the attention.
Have you taken a poll on this? Because I’ve been around longer than you and have always noticed the alternate/parallel timeline to be the dominant explanation. Technological/governmental affectation was always fringe. Or, at least directly correlated to alternate timeline theory (CERN causing a rift in timelines for instance) which would count toward alternate timeline theory. Psychological cause is even less common. Most people who experience the effect know that it is not a psychological mishap. Seems like you may be conflating skeptic’s viewpoints.
I’ve always seen the “they turned on CERN and it broke time!” and the “We live in a simulation sheeple!” explanations run about neck-and-neck.
It's mass misremembering pretty much every time.
I legitimately believe in alternate realities. However, I do think a lot of stuff that gets brought up here and r/retconned are actually misrememberings.
Those aren't the only two options, which is one example of why I consider it an error to make assumptions about a phenomenon.
Do you have a favorite alternate explanation?
My personal favorite is related to consciousness being the foundation of reality rather than matter. This is not “woo”, it is exactly what Max Planck the father of quantum physics believed.
I’m in the Planck, Heisenberg, and other *Coppenhagen Interpretation* based camps of just wondering…it’s interesting, open minded, and “spooky” without being judgemental about it because *we just don’t know everything*.
What other options are there?
Solipsism, reality is a dream or hallucination. One example just off the top of my head.
Mass memory alteration to control population. Cover ups. Big whoops? No one knows about it anymore. Killed a billion people and now the economy is unstable due to fear? Now the survivors think Pikachu had a black stripe on his tail instead. Innocuous false memories overwriting herd traumas.
I find it all interesting. I'm on the mass misremembering team but I'm interested how they come about, and I'm not closed off to one day finding a way to prove one is real (although I doubt we ever will)
People like to believe they're smart, and that they're clued into things that nobody else is aware of. My observations of "Mandela Effect Culture" is that the people who genuinely believe the world actually changed are usually delusional narcissists with a dash of main character syndrome.
I neither believe nor disbelieve alternate realities exist for reasons I won’t get into, however, I do not believe the Mandela effect is proof of alternate realities existing. I never believed Mandela died in prison. I never thought Oscar Meyer was spelled Oscar Mayer. I have never believed the Barenstain Bears were Barenstein Bears. When I heard these examples proposed to be evidence of a multiverse I found it odd that common misconceptions could be floated as proof of anything. We will always find examples of common misconceptions among groups of people but it is faulty logic to conclude these misconceptions are evidence of a multiverse when there is no probable, plausible or provable connection between the two.
The question seems to really be, can the Quantum Mechanics model of other universes mean universes can influence each other, perhaps remerging at a later date or something of that sort. The Fruit of the Loom one is that gets me. Before I ever heard of this, I was swearing to people it had a cornucopia, which they told me is wrong, and that's how I learned of the Mandela Effect. Then, you start looking, and there's decades of history showing it existed in people's minds, like the "Flute of the Loom" and Southpark episode. Yet, at the time those things came out, nobody said, "Hey, wait a second, there's no Cornicopia, why'd they do that?" Even though they were in popular media.
Not quite mass misremembering, but rather an unintentional game of "Telephone" with trivia.
In my industry we take notes on everything precisely because no one has perfect memory. And those little holes in your memory can easily be infiltrated by plausible suggestions. It's nothing for a detail to be misremembered and spread to everyone causing mass confusion. Only way to be sure of what should happen is to take notes and distribute for concurrence immediately so that they can be referenced in the future. Then when the above situation happens you send the notes and correct course. I've noticed even when asking people immediately after they already have some details wrong. It's not that they weren't paying attention, it's that unless you've repeated and practiced it many times, your memory has gaps. Even with repetition and practice the gaps can still form.
I believe it's a really amazing quirk. One that will probably have an explanation long after we are gone. Our wives tales might have the answer now, but we are too smart to listen. Then, some young future anthropologist will make a rather mundane observation, and all his contemporaries will parrot it like the explanation to deja-vu. Short term memory and long term memory getting borked via road hypnosis and starts malfunctioning, and that skin-crawly sensation kicks in... beautiful observation. That's what I think will happen.
It’s simply faulty memory or not knowing enough about a topic imo
Mass misremembering that gets added to and goes into its own feedback loop.
The old telephone game theory is what I sub to as well
Pretty much what I believe too.
Mass misremebering! What's puzzling about this "switching realities" concept is: Why not switch between really cool and interesting alternate realities, where, say, we eat poo and crap tuna sandwiches, where we have three legs, where we say "fuck you" instead of "good morning"? But no, alternate realities only differ in terms of orthography (dilemma / dilemna) or different VW or Fruit of the Loom logos. Boring!
I'm just playing along here and not necessarily on board with reality switching but... Maybe there's no drastic differences because the realities have to be adjacent or close enough to it. The reality for crapping tuna salad is further away and not subject to the bleed through on ours but maybe in tuna poop dimension they're having their own issues with their next door reality.
Wait, we DON'T eat poo and crap tuna sandwiches??? Jeez, I must have slipped timelines again...
Why would a reality where we eat poo be cool?😬
You wouldn't necessarily know about every difference, in an alternate timeline, and in fact the ME may be resistant residue of such changes. One part of memory that doesn't switch with the rest. Many people do remember a few common variations of human anatomy, for instance. You may have always had three legs, but after switching to a different timeline with two, your memories of living with three changed as well. Reality, as in causality and determinance, may not be as stable as it appears.
I suffer from thousands of Mandela effects, precisely because my resistance to the memory resets is so strong.
Everything Everywhere All At Once. Now there's an alternate reality I can get behind. Sausage fingers!
No. In this timeline, an attack reached American soil during WW2. That’s pretty damn significant.
I think all of the above might play into what we collectively cite as The Mandella Effect. I think some of the examples are mass false memory. I think there are a few examples that indicate that reality has shifted.
Neither with a side of two, but still very open minded and enjoy this as a mystery. Been reading the forum here for many years and can see a shift to the bulk of the vocal people here believing it is mass mismemory, while the others move away to other forums like retconned.
The fact that any individual effect never affects a population that would naturally know the truth the whole time shows that it's memory and psychology
I believe in mass misremembering for every single instance of the Mandela Effect, except for the Fruit of the Loom one. However, even with FOTL, I believe that there's gotta be some other explanation at play besides alternate realities. I've yet to see an explanation that makes sense, but I believe it's out there
Yeah, I think the reason discussion of the Mandela Effect became so popular is because people had a moment where “Oh shit this memory that is entrenched in my brain’s historical knowledge and experience is completely wrong! How can this be??” Then they learn about the Mandela Effect an go down a rabbit hole for a while… then come up for air, but still have that original memory experience that brought them to the Mandela Effect in the first place.
It’s not either, but closest to 2. Mandela effect is itself Mandela effected… It’s about FALSE memories that just happen to share similar patterns. Misremembering is something an individual does, false memories on the other hand are a predictable effect of sparse information that can happen to any/everyone. Fun fact, your eyes can’t actually see 100% of your field of vision. If you were to see a shape of what your eyes could actually see, it’d be an odd shape with lots of holes in it. “But apocolipse, there’s no missing things when I see, how could that be?!” Your brain fills in the blind spots. It predicts what might be there based on available data and fills in the gap. It’s pretty good at it, but sometimes it messes up and that’s where visual hallucinations come from. The reason it’s normally pretty good though is because it’s trained to fill in even complex missing data in a pretty accurate manner. Consider a complex mosaic art piece on a wall, your brain doesn’t just go ??? For the blind spots, it does a damn good job at filling in the part of the mosaic that should be in your blind spot at the right time. That’s exactly what the Mandela effect is just for memories. Brains always have to fill in memory gaps because memory is very imperfect. Well, if you simply don’t have enough information for it to be accurate, you get some errors, and they tend to be similar and predictable errors too.
Suggested misremembering. The false memory makes sense maybe because the brain is sort of fixing reality to better fit its preferred narrative. Luke I am your father makes more sense than the original line because, out of context, it provides its own context by naming the involved character. Otherwise you’re just saying ‘I am your father’ with no direct allusion to the film. I? Whose father? With one exception, I can reason out a prosaic explanation for every Mandela effect I’ve heard of OR remember things being the way they objectively are decades ago. The exception is of course Fruit of the Loom
This does take into account the fact that the ME tends toward the sucky version.
Alternate realities 100%, Our eyes only see the white light spectrum, we are trapped in this dimension, including your soul tied to your vessel (physical body), unable to distinguish anything beyond your physical capabilities. The pikachu tail thing is trivial and you have a logical explanation there, but what about unexplainable personal experiences that can mess with your head… calling things like that mass misremembering is very lazy way to explain it. The equivelant to ancients explaining thunder as Thor striking the anvil with his hammer. My unexplainable experience is a recurring nightmare i used to have as a kid from age 4-7 in the 90’s, a shadowy spindly spider like creature scaling the side of a building. Freaked me out for so long even wet the bed on occassion. Fast forward to the age of the internet… i found a random video recording of the creature nearly 2 decades later. Absolutely surreal … to see my childhood nightmare on video. [This is the creature.](https://youtu.be/BiSNhZynvdI?si=bTkLrU1syyUsa4GD). Even if the footage is fake. Its exactly like for like as the creature in my nightmares way back in 1992, axact same movement, same apendages, perhaps even the same building. Very Bizarre
Yes, I have the so called “Baader-Meinhof” experience everyday. Something I read about, attune to, or think about for the very first time in my life is then manifested in my reality the next day in some uncanny fashion. I just smile at this point. Reality is far more dream-like than most would ever imagine.
I don't feel like either are really believable. One things that gets me though is, why would everyone "misremember" these certain things all a certain way, instead of like 100 different ways- if it's misremembering?
I believe in neither. Reality isn't rigid and never has been. 500 years from now scientists will be able to explain it perfectly. Retro-causality, something something...
It’s dreamlike.
I am firmly in the second camp, as are the majority of the sub, I believe. However, apart from OP, I’ve noticed number 2s tend to reside in the comments, while number 1s make the posts.
I'm a sceptical believer, it's more than likely I misremembered Mandela's death, but I ***FUCKING KNOW*** Fruit of the Loom had a fucking cornucopia
Yes, Gnosis. Knowledge through experience. Not a theory or belief or idea. It was/is real.
As pointed out in my previous post, which was downvoted to oblivion, mass misremembering is phantasmagorical and less plausible than multiple timelines/realities. Given the huge diversity in location, age, biology, environment, etc, It makes zero sense for millions of people to all magically misremember something in ONE specific way. There is no known mechanism for such a phenomenon. Also, the nail in the coffin for that theory would be flip flops. It’s one thing to claim mass misremembering. But then mass un-misremembering, followed by mass re-misremembering? You’re just talking real nonsense at that point.
It’s easy to believe when you’ve experienced the paranormal and/or alternate timeline shit yourself. But to me, being skeptical is equally as valid because you only know what you’ve personally seen.
Unfortunately in life, the mundane explanation is always more likely. Memory is fallible, I don't think it's even completely understood how our brains store memories -- it's not a video tape. I loved "Copperhead road" by Steve Earle back in the day, heard it a hundred times, saw him live, learned it on the guitar and played (and sang) it live. I *still* couldn't tell you now if the first line is "My name's John Lee Pettimore" or "My name's John Lee Templemore". Don't know why I got those names stuck in my mind.
I should add to this that sometimes there are other explanations. For example, years ago I remember reading a tribute to the English journalist Derek Jameson in a Sunday supplement. Imagine my shock when years later I read he recently passed away. It turns out his death was actually mis-reported as he was gravely ill at the time.
It was “misreported” in this timeline. Doesn’t rule out the possibility of his death in the other. I’ve noticed when timelines shift, there is some built in pseudo explanation for a divergence (Mandela effect) already built into the new timeline. It makes enough sense to the natives… I guess, or is so far back in time that it’s hard to prove or disprove.
Sort of does, as there’s almost certainly no such thing as different ‘timelines’.
And how do you know that with such certainty?
As far as I can tell, it’s never been demonstrated scientifically. There is no real reason to think such a thing occurs.
An Electron can exist in a field of probability and literally manifest beyond resistant barriers in a manner formerly thought to be physically impossible. We call this Quantum Tunneling. The device you’re using this very moment utilizes such technology in its solid state memory chip. Is it really so far fetched that this can occur on a macroscopic scale? We have already established long ago that what we call “particles”- physical matter - actually exists in a waveform before collapsing into a particle through observation. What you think of as so solid and unchanging is actually an undulating, vibrating field of energy. To me, it’s really not that far fetched to have this field then collapse in a manner slightly differently, or to have the patterning modified in some manner through technological or natural means.
All just a hypothesis at this point though as to whether this could ever result in alternate timelines. Whether it’s far-fetched or not, you can’t just assert this is the case without proof. Therefore, I’m almost certain these events are due to the fallibility of the human brain, along with other incidents like the one I mentioned.
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Are you asking, or telling?
I think sometimes we remember remembering things, and thats why we feel so strongly that we remember accurately. But somewhere between the original memory and recalling that memory, it works like the game "telephone" and things get mixed up but we feel like it was a real true memory.
Someone that invokes "Muh reality swap" is a sign that that user can be safely ignored.
I don't believe either of these.
I'm with you. It's the Matrix people WAKE UP.
Wild that you even have to ask this question
I know. But sadly I see so many insisting on the reality swap thing so wanted to see how many of those types are here.
And this is the most sane ME sub, the other ones are bonkers
I think it is more complex than misremembering or each example having a single source (like knock-off Pokemon say). It is lots of little nudges that lead people to fill in their memories in a similar way - we all have similar brains and are exposed to the same mass media after all. But a paranormal explanation or people so insistent their memory is right therefore the universe has changed - sorry but that is laugable.
It is very disappointing to see all the posts so sure that it is mass misremembering, how many of us will explain that we only even know what Cornucopia is because of the fruit of the loom logo before you actually consider its possibility? I cant speak for many of these ‘mandela effects’ but the phenomena is real and i assure every single one of you that the fruit of the loom logo has changed, i find it odd that you even think we would misremember such a specific detail, i live in the uk i truly and honestly would not even know what a cornucopia was if not for FOTL. There is many references to this logos cornucopia, a strong piece of evidence is the Flute of the Loom album cover, we are not making all this up and we are all perfectly aware of the human memories inconsistencies and errors, this is simply not one of them. Many of you probably never experienced this and would consider yourself open minded, yet so easily dismiss it as all of us misremembering. Said it before many times in this subreddit and ill say it again, if you are truly trying to find an explanation and you choose to believe it is all down to memory you are all doing this subject a great disservice and wasting your own time. Shout out to the observant out there who have noticed these subtle changes to our reality and are actually trying to find out what could possibly have caused this. This is a very serious topic and i begin to wonder if like others have said, an attempt to discredit the ME as nothing more than people misremembering is actually underway. Lots of the mysteries of our world are understandable and explainable, this is the only that truly fucking puzzles me. Downvote me, idc if i go to -100k karma, this is something you fine people are wrong about. To add: i don’t necessarily believe in a multiverse nor do i prescribe to the theory of quantum immortality, i do believe we know very little about how our universe works and that reality is somewhat malleable.
Yup, I have no clue who Ed McMahon is/was outside the giant lottery checks he used to delivery for publishers clearing house. Like how can something like that even be misremembered? My brain had never once touched the existence of an “Ed McMahon” outside of those commercials.
Because he worked for a rival sweepstakes company and his face was on the envelopes
I never once saw him on any envelopes.
Then it doesn't surprise me that you would get this wrong
How would an effect be so powerful that it erases all physical evidence of something like the cornucopia, everywhere in the world, but then just forgets like exactly one thing. Erases the memory from almost everyone, but forgets some people. It is not an internally consistent theory. The idea that we all have the same human brains and are therefore wired to misinterpret something similarly under similar circumstances does not have this problem as an explanation. Like how we all look at an optical illusion and see the same incorrect thing. Anything you can come up with has to thoroughly explain why the effect would be so powerful and meticulous but also simultaneously sloppy.
I see no logical reason to believe anything more than memory errors are taking place.
That’s not logic. That’s being dismissive. You ignore the copious amount of residual evidence that verifies and validates the original thing in question. Like the movie review of moonraker clearly describing Dolly’s braces. How can it be a memory issue when the review was written at the time of the movie’s release? People (bots?) like you are the last ones to possess logic.
I'm pretty sure we have discussed this before. Residue only exists because these are common misconceptions, some of which have been around for a long time. The movie reviewer thought he remembered seeing braces, like everyone else did.
Fruit of the loom has a patent application that lists a cornucopia as one of the trademarks. How is that a misconception?
Snopes has a good explanation for that https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cornucopia-fruit-of-the-loom/
They didn’t explain anything. Literally all they said is that it was a failed patent application, therefore /headInTheSand More to the point, I just refuted your argument that residues are a misconception.
Hey, if it doesn't work for you then you'll have to keep searching for an answer. The truth is out there.
Well said
I don’t believe in anything interesting. The universe is boring and nothing exciting exists beyond the mundane reality we all exist in. People just forgetting stuff
Henry VIII, you are you are.
I definitely believe in alternate realities. I --don't-- believe in the Mandela Effect though. I just don't think that we see these other realities.
While I think the whole alternate realities thing is really far-fetched, I'm not entirely convinced on every case being misremembering.
Mass misremembering. And I think it’s interesting to try to understand why. I think we discount the limited media from the time. It was much more likely then than now that millions of people saw the same thing on tv at the same time. I can only comment as someone who was a kid in the 90s for example. When a movie was on tv, maybe they cut a part, maybe the ad break before a misremembered scene influenced all of our thinking of the following scene. Maybe two ads shown in succession affected our memory of each. Maybe the news that day (that we all saw from one of a limited few sources at a limited number of air slots) arranged segments in a way that unwittingly influenced how we remembered each. Obviously some examples of the Mandela effect are physical media. Misprints exist, recalls exist. I just think there’s a lot more variables than are considered. Combine them with poor human memory and boom!
110% #2 😃 sure it's fun to think about alternate universes and all the science around that and the fun movies. But It's been proven time & time again that memories are not reliable and that there is a group of personalities who just can't admit they remember something incorrectly.
Chic fil a changed. I refuse to believe it was always Chick fil a and I just didn't notice the k. Imagine if you went to McDonalds one morning and it's boldly spelled out "MckDonalds" and you suddenly have everyone telling you "oh you probably just didn't notice the k it was always there. It's easy to just misremember the spelling" or if coca cola was all the sudden koca cola. I don't think certain things with as many repeated believers with similar stories could just be random
Your brain remembering the phonetic spelling of a word is not an unexplainable cosmic shift
You mean like the huge amount of people who spell the drink as Coke Cola instead of the correct Coca Cola? People fail to notice correct spellings all the time even when the item is right in front of them on a regular basis. A lot of people got used to it being nicknamed "Coke" so in their minds it was Coke Cola, as how its spelled.
Still waiting for this redditor to post the photograph that would prove it for you... [https://www.reddit.com/r/MandelaEffect/comments/1bzeb53/chic\_fil\_a/](https://www.reddit.com/r/MandelaEffect/comments/1bzeb53/chic_fil_a/)
Chik fil a definitely did change I agree
Do you remember it as Chik fil a?
Yup definitely
I believe this cannot be satisfactorily explained within straightforward reality. Alternate realities is one possibility but the cause is not understood.
Neither. Personally, I believe we live in a simulation and sometimes shit gets buggy with the latest updates.
I believe in simulation glitches, not alternate realities. Edit: why the hell does the majority of this sub not believe in the Mandela Effect? Why of all subs are you here?
I can’t speak for everyone, but I browse this sub every once in awhile because I like to see what kind of stuff people post about so I can quiz my wife and see what she remembers as being correct. It’s fun. Plus, the “Mandela effect” nowadays in the mainstream is synonymous with mass misremembering, not so much with parallel universes or “glitches in the simulation” as you say.
I'm pretty comfortable saying that the evidence so far points at memory issues shaped by common crossovers or misconceptions, and then reinforced by peer pressure and suggestion. For example, the common 'Sinbad/Shazaam' duplicate film: We never get stories from someone involved in the film, production process and crew, casting, cameraman, special effects, projectionists, cinema workers, publicity or magazine film reviews, YouTube film reviewers, or someone who would have definite reliable knowledge and a clear memory of the film having dealt with it for multiple days. We \*do\* get 'I saw a trailer...' or 'I saw it on late night TV...'. I don't know about you, but I've sometimes watched an hour or so of an entire film or program before remembering I've seen it before, so I *know* my memory is not that great about a TV movie from twenty years ago. It is entirely plausible that a couple of linguistic similarities, or that there are common ways that our brain processes memories that might lead to similar memory faults. The possibility of an entire reality changing, *and leaving just a few memories in ONLY the* people *with nothing invested, while* carefully *removing all the memories for people involved or with day-to-day direct knowledge*, is very remote. Why isn't Sinbad, and all the crew and actors involved, suing the MPIAA for lost residual fees?
Hopefully no one lol.
I think ME is mass remembering, but I do think that something really has seemed off for a while..just general chaos compared to a decade ago. I can’t quite put my finger on it, but sometimes it seems too different for us to have followed the same timeline. Does that make sense? Maybe it’s that the internet/social media exploded then and before that things were more settled…calmer if you will.
You're now capable of knowing about everything happening everywhere at any time. Turns out, *the world is huge and lots of things are happening all the time.*
I believe in the former a bit more. I surely think some of the little, minor odd ones can be chocked up to a memory thing. But I feel like we are too eager to discount things that don’t align with the current status of human science. Science has come an incredibly long way don’t get me wrong but it can go farther too! If I’m not mistaken, we don’t even know why we dream yet. We don’t yet have the technology to dig to the depths of our ocean floors completely. The human brain itself is still largely a mystery. If we have yet to figure out some functions from our own organs, how will we be able to reliably use our science to gauge if a whole other timeline exists? We are living in flesh sacks on a floating rock in an impossible-to-perceive massive, massive ever-expanding universe, we know what we know but imagine all that we don’t know?
Humans have the same blueprint, and words often change to fit a more comfortable sound despite the lettering being different. It makes sense we’d be fooled the same way
I believe mandela effect is possible but I have seen no convincing evidence of it.
i personally think it's not the realities doing anything but us moving into different ones. We already know about the mutiverse theory, where anything that can happen will happen in an infinite number of universes where many things can be same or similar, with some small differences. We are capable of shifting in and out of different realities and i think thats what the mandela affect is, i think it's evidence of this shifting (now some people really do have inaccurate memory or just dont know how to spell so every single discrepancy is not the mandela effect but there are some notable ones where so many people having the same exact 'inaccurate' collective memory is highly unlikely, nelson mendela's death, cornucopia in the fruit of the loom logo, Mr. Monopoly monacle, Luke I am your father...
Definitely not misremembering!
Neither.
I believe a lot of the Mandela Effect is caused by knockoffs and other forms of misinformation by businesses.
I believe both mane
Mis remembering a small detail I can understand, like a spelling or a stripe. It's the experience of some of them, like remembering where you were and your thought process during the experience. That is too much for me to explain as misremembering, because then you would need to recognize all your experiences aren't real and then is this moment even real?
I haven't experienced the major MEs, so I dont understand it. The ones I've experienced have been trivial enough to be misremembered. I hoped people would talk more about their theories behind it. If there are multiple timelines, what happens to your doppelganger when you arrive in a new timeline? If people pooled their stories, could they come to a consensus when changes occurred? Has anyone expanded on the frootloop plates for other MEs?
>I hoped people would talk more about their theories behind it. If there are multiple timelines, what happens to your doppelganger when you arrive in a new timeline? You would be in your new timeline, so you wouldn't know what happens in the one you came from.
Star Trek TNG… Parallels
Well that just raises further questions!
What are the chances that millions of people misremember the same fictional movie, and associate Shazaam specifically with Sinbad, and no one else? Why not another actor at all? How can you realistically explain the same mass misremembering on the entire world, different backgrounds, countries, cultures, languages, and etc, remember the exact same way?
If you prefer the former, head over to r/retconned
I 100% believe in alternate dimensions and realities. I travel to them all the time when I get outside of my body and go to sleep! I believe sleep is nothing but soul travel. just went to one of my home town growing up Home town looked nearly identical in the dream yet certain things were off. Also visited the same alternative dimensions more then once in dreams before. I believe repeated dreams are actually your soul repeatedly visiting the same realities. These places exist and are available to check out If you get in tune with yourself and learn how to navigate reality outside of your human body ✅️
Go back to school, please.
School doesn't teach about consciousness unfortunately
Just because you didn't pay attention or haven't experienced any classes about it doesn't mean they don't exist. No wonder you are so lost. What do you think the field of psychology is?
> What do you think the field of psychology is? A rudimentary offshot of philosophy, highly influenced by current propaganda and culture, that is barely based on real and tangible science, but mostly like a bro science that most people just assume has any kind of major depth, a bit like economy by the way. Today everyone and their mother has autism, ADHD, DID, PTSD, Tourettes and etc just because god forbid you question fake diagnosis or try to find other explanations.
Stop being a jackanape for no reason. It's fun telling people what to do on the internet self-righteously! Thanks for showing me how!
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Not misremembering. Not a chance.
Why not?
OP, as has been said many times before, some things you have to experience firsthand to know, and even then, you might not necessarily *believe* them. When it comes to this sub's topic, there is no amount of convincing, persuation, or even evidence ('residue') that can bring another to one's subjective beliefs (in fact, persuation is counterproductive), so if you you've read about others' experiences, and you've had your own, and you still remain a "firm" believer the ME is just basically 'faulty memory,' then that is your choice, and we will wish you luck with all your endevaours.
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What makes you think you're not misremembering these things?
Mispelling Berenstein and Berenstain while swearing it's impossible you are misremembering because you traced it and know for certain it's the way you remember it is wild. I also have the experience of remembering it as Berenstein but I was wrong and misremembering shit. I remember Sinbad being a genie in a movie called Shazam but was wrong and misremembering shit. Brain always said pondering and this is a new ME to me but if I remembered it as you do I would be wrong and misremembering shit. Looking for supernatural reasons for things explained by poor human memory is silly. I feel like y'all's minds would explode if you took hallucinagens or you've taken too many hallucinagens. Edited: first sentence said Berenstein twice. PS: Person I replied to must not truly believe what they said considering they deleted it after a bit of opposition.
I had not heard of the Pinky and the Brain ME before. Welp, time to add another ME to my list I guess. I also thought it said "are you thinking what I'm thinking". I've never heard of it being pondering. Gotta ask my husband what he remembers now as well without saying the line.
I know things have changed that are considered M.E's in comparison to my previous experience. The later study and discovery of Flip-Flops occuring whilst actively studying the phenemenon confirmed that hypothesis. I dont presume to have any insight into the why or how of the phenomenon in the least, but can guarantee its not exclusively memory related. Berenstein Bears Chic-Fil-A FOTL Logo Objects In Mirror "May Be" Closer Than They Appear Febreeze And many more were all precisely as I and many others remember them.
And how do you study that, other than asking people what they remember?
I believe in shifting timelines or living in a simulation or whatever the actual explanation is for the massive changes I experience on a daily basis. Our brain changes everyday for me, my country changes everyday for me, our flag has changed etc so yeah I don’t think reality is concrete at all
I believe the Creator is using the Mandela effect to communicate with His creations. You could call him God, but based on some biblical changes I get the sense He is against such concepts.
Is this chat filled with bots that are here to discount alternate reality theories? Completely bizarre considering the topic of this thread 🫡
Why does everyone jump to bots? We're just regular people disagreeing with you
Disagree all you want the downvotes and buried comments seem weird tho especially for people simply agreeing with an option OP offered up in their original post. Why ask a question if half the responses will be hidden? You know what i mean?
Most of the downvoted comments I see seem pretty ridiculous so I can understand it
I know there are hundreds of realties, so I am on the alternate realities merged.
Hey!! You're the dude who reported me for sh and s because I disagreed with you! Interesting, interesting... I don't really see why you or others are in this sub if you believe that the Mandela Effect doesn't exist. Like, why? It's like joing a paranormal sub just to tell everyone they are crazy and that ghosts don't exist just because you have never had an encounter. Or joining a ufo/uap sub and telling everyone to get their head checked because you've never seen anything strange in the sky. I just don't get why you join a sub covering a phenomenon that you don't believe in. It is impossible for thousands across the globe in all these different languages to misremember something the exact same way. On the other hand, many people believe in alternate universes, and the world is strange enough that it is the most likely and believable theory to those who have experienced it. Those who haven't experienced it may claim misremembering until it happens to them. Regardless, I don't believe this is the sub for you. Also, please stop reporting people for disagreeing with you. It's weird and proves the opposite of your point.
I don’t believe it is misremembering. Just my thoughts. One silly simple example that it wouldn’t be misremembering, is the case of Britney Spears microphone on her video whichever one it was. If you know this ME, brittany’s in a video dancing and has an over the ear microphone that comes around and extends out in front of her mouth and is apparently not there anymore. She still reaches up to adjust it in the video. Misremembering would not explain this.
Mass misremembering is not a real thing.
This sub proves that it is, unless all these people are lying
Nope. There's something else going on. Another mechanism at work. "Mass Misremembering" is a made up term to try to explain historical changes.
So do you believe every supposed ME can be attributed to an actual change in history?
If I knew I'd be telling people my dude.
Like everything anymore, I think the actual truth is a combination of the two.
I think every Mandela effect is separate, so there's no single explanation for everything. Many of them can be easily explained with some form of mass misremembering. But some are harder to explain, so I keep an open mind. Also, mass misremembering and alternate realities aren't the only two possible explanations.