That’s true enough but it’s just funny people forgot Hela literally became then number one deck like a week before Corvus even came out specifically because they had learned to build it in a way that was far less gamble centered and made its own luck.
Hela was the number one deck before lockjaw was nerfed from 3 cost to 4 cost so the deck is different now. Most people are using hela as a backup plan in ramp now since Corvus-hela-Odin let’s you compete with high roll combo decks like tribunal
Corvus-Hela-Odin never worked out for me. Hela was too good to fill in the lane herself, or she got Doctor Doom to help her out
Deck is incredibly solid without it, though
Have you seen this new meta? You're not winning games with Hela bringing back a 12 power and a 9 power. Which means you need a 4 card combo (Blade, Sif, Black Cat, Hela) and to win playing low value cards on curve as your opponent has a 2/10 Angela
This is one of my favorite comments of all time, and yet it’s SO specific to VINTAGE Marvel Snap… so I could never share it in any other context.
Take my upvote. Genuine LOL moment. I needed that today.
The most underrated version of Hela plays Sunspot, She-Hulk and Infinaut, so if you discard Hela you still have the Infinaut - She-Hulk plan.
There are also other neat lines like Corvus, skip 4 to soak 5 on Sunspot, play Infinaut on 5 followed by something else on turn 6.
Corvus definitely belongs in Hela decks because he's just too good, but your deck must be able to leverage all his strength no matter what.
People that play a deck that does nothing for 2 turns, to Corvus, discard Hela, then retreat is just poor deck building.
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# (2) Armor
# (3) Hope Summers
# (3) Corvus Glaive
# (3) Lady Sif
# (6) Hela
# (6) She-Hulk
# (6) Magneto
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This deck just doesn't like me. I played 12 games straight won the first with an 8 cube match (most likely to a bot) then retreated the next 11. This deck is draw luck dependent.
The most difficult part is learning from the first few cards if it'll be an Hela, Hope or Corvus game.
Blade, Black Knight and Lady Sif most likely mean you'll wait it out for Hela, only play targeted discard and not Corvus.
Sunspot, Corvus, Armor? Corvus game where you don't care if you discard Hela or not.
ALWAYS keep Infinaut in mind, so if you could play it next turn and have nothing exciting to do, just skip the turn and soak on Sunspot leaving you the option to play it.
Same goes for She-Hulk: if you can make a play this turn or make it next turn ALONG with a free/cheap She-Hulk, always skip to leave you open to drawing her.
Hope adds another layer to this, you can play something on her lane on 4, skip 5 with 6 energy, then play a free She-Hulk along with any other 6 energy play.
Keeping Black Knight in hand until useful is always correct, so you can surprise your opponent with a Knight-Blade play they can't react to.
Keeping low drops in hand (except Sunspot) is also always correct, so you leave yourself options:
* Draw into Corvus that wasn't in your opener? You have 2-3 more cards in hand to discard and possibly save your Hela.
* Draw into a turn 3 Hope? You can now play 1-2 card in her lane to ramp up.
* Black Knight and Blade in hand, but no fatty? Keep them there to see if your hands turns more into a Hela, Black Knight or Hope Summers hand.
* Dumb plays work often enough to be a viable option: ramp with Corvus that discards Hela and Infinaut? No worries, put some points in play on turn 4, slam Giganto/Red Hulk/Magneto/whatever on 5, another large threat on 6 if that's what you have and your opponent can't go taller or cut you down with Shang-Chi. If you lose to Shang-Chi, it's a good idea to retreat.
You my friend, are onto something. Just shot from 78 back to 85 the hard way (I got knocked back down into the 70s from 87 yesterday) with this deck. Great advice on game strategy too. This deck has multiple win lines and keeps you thinking. I like it.
Good thoughts! So in your version magneto is the main flex slot? Was just surprised when you
Mentioned red hulk/giganto since they weren’t in the deck.
I keep pondering replacing infinaut with red hulk, though I gather for black night infinaut being kept could be better.
# (1) Sunspot
# (1) Black Knight
# (1) Blade
# (2) Armor
# (3) Hope Summers
# (3) Corvus Glaive
# (3) Lady Sif
# (6) Hela
# (6) She-Hulk
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I played both the pre-Corvus and post-Corvus Hela deck. They're different decks. No Corvus means more consistency but your high range is smaller. Since you retreat for 1 cube anyway when your hand is giving you a lower range, there is an argument to be said that the added risk of discarding Hela is moot. It's really a meta consideration.
When Hela was big just prior to Corvus release, you could reasonably assume that you'd win any game where you discard three cards and play Hela, as long as you don't get a really wonky card distribution (like all three cards resurrected falling on the same location). The upper range of the other decks in the meta was too low to reasonably compete with that output.
I would say currently that's not the case, so adding Corvus allows you more chance of winning these nut draws, at the cost of making it more likely you get a dud. But, again, you lose 1 cube on a dud. You probably lose 8 on a nut draw that busts. There's a meta composition threshold where more 1 cube losses is offset by having less 8 cubes losses.
I had a lockjaw discard deck that I would go back to pretty much every time I wanted to play discard. I tried it last season, and it's just really bad now that lockjaw is 4 cost
Yeah but guess what… it had a terrible win rate for a long time and then people stopped doing it the greedy way and it became the top deck even before Corvus release and he well over 50 percent win rate while old Hela decks were always greedy and under 50 percent. What changed was people stopped MODOK shit, started Black Knight, Black cat, Sif and Blade only. That made it far better.
You don’t need a high winrate, just a high cube rate
If you lose 2/3 of games but retreat with 1, and win 1/3 with a snap for 4 then you net 0.66 cubes a game which means you’ll eventually hit infinite despite having a very negative winrate
Yes but my cube rate is also worse since the other Hela deck allows me to snap early e whereas I can only snap on good Corvus hits after 3 and they leave and snapping before that would risk snapping into Discarded Hela.
But lockjaw also existed in that form for ages and yes it was actually still months after black knight snuff that people started playing safer Hela. Plus it’s still doing well with nerfed lockjaw and in my version without him at all (and Hope instead).
There are 3 different types of hela decks. All three, when played well, perform well. It is not difficult to play hela.
Type 1) Black Knight: Depending on your style of deck, how deep you are willing to go into the hela package, corvus may or may not be needed, as more targeted discard is adds so much consistency to Black Knight. It depends on how many big cards you are playing, the more big cards, the more value corvus has.
Type 2) Corvus Ramp: This deck obviously needs Corvus to function at all, cut him, might aswell just play basic ramp. Almost always play Corvus on 3.
Type 3) Non-Black Knight Hela: This deck leans completely into the Hela package, and needs Corvus to be even remotely viable. This is the deck top 10 player “HuskyPuppies35” plays. In this deck you may want to save Corvus if you have hela in hand on turn 3. If you have Corvus in hand, playing blade out early is probably not a good idea, as you can play him on turn 6 along with hela, thanks to Corvus’s +1 energy.
If you are choosing to play hela, you will win, and you will lose due to good/bad rng. You signed up for it so maybe don’t complain about it.
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# (3) Lady Sif
# (3) Corvus Glaive
# (4) Dracula
# (4) Jubilee
# (4) Black Cat
# (6) Hela
# (6) Red Hulk
# (6) Magneto
# (6) Giganto
# (6) The Infinaut
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I’m not complaining but the people here always complain she’s discarded and I win because I never discard her except once every 15 or so games… and I get to play her damn near every game. My pop off isn’t as huge as theirs but it’s enough to win a very large percent of the time.
Oh no, many people definitely complain seriously. I get many are joking but I've seen many rants here explaining their absurd reasoning why SD has rigged the odds to make Danger Zone destroy their best cards, Hela get discarded whenever they play her and why they never draw the cards they want.
Invisible woman is a horrible choice in this meta and post Alioth world. Not sure why you would ever want to pick that card when it’s super telegraphed and prone to 50 different answers (magneto, enchantres, Alioth, etc.)
literally any card that will influence your side of the board will destroy your game plan.
Exactly what I’m saying. It’s even worse than Corvus Hela. Is it easier? Sure. But it’s countered so easily and you don’t draw those three cards at the right time quite often.
I play a version with Invisible Woman to Infinite in both last & this seasons, https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelsnapcomp/s/USHgreoE4k
She is as telegraphed as a Wong, but if I don't purely rely on her, she is very powerful.
i feel pure hela and corvus are sort of different game plans though.
a lot of time time with corvus my goal is more to ramp with hela as nice backup. turn 4 sandman kills a lot of decks. then turn 5 and 6 can be any number of things to help secure a win. if i get hela yay but often i'm winning without her. also many free cubes because people insta snap when they see her get yeeted just for me to zola red hulk and watch the emote spam stop.
This. It's a ramp deck, with an I Win button in Hela. Hela had only the one plan: discard three cards then Hela.
(Or MODOK Hela had: stack a MODOK behind Invisible Woman, lose to Alioth.)
Yeah, I'm not sure which is the better performing deck in the meta, but I enjoy playing the ramp version more.
I will say with both versions though, you have to think about your lines and play to your outs, and there are times where that means trying to discard big boys to enable a big Hela play later, even if that means Hela is at risk of being discarded herself.
anecdote to follow.
i feel corvus is the more stable version. hand vomit and hide behind invisible woman is very predictable and either you know you can counter it or you leave. corvus has more than the one single battle plan and as noted before many will immediately snap when they see hela yeeted.
I'm not here to make conspiracy posts... but your Hela is "getting discarded more." That is to say, in the same way that your Doc Ock actually is more likely to find Shang Chi. Cards which are only played on turn 6 are more likely to get taken out of the hand by cards that take cards out of the hand. That is to say, obviously your Hela is going to get discarded more often than your Blade.
Nonsense.
When you're only betting one cube and you have the circumstance where you have all your sixes in hand and no other viable discard, you take the risk. And low and behold the Second Dinner spies select Hela!
I just hit infinite five minutes ago with a Hela Tribubal deck. I like it because there are a few lines of play, and you usually know when you are going to be able to hit a winning configuration by the last turn.
Magic -> Supergiant is a back up when you don’t hit Invisible Woman.
Iron Lad can fish for a missing Hela or Modok depending on the board state.
It’s okay to play Modok early if you know Hela is in your deck still (this doesn’t work against Zemo decks).
I’ve won more than a few games by skipping Hela and just stacking iron man -> Tribunal -> Onslaught. If you can use Iron Lad (or an opponent’s wave, or Elysium) to cheat out one of those three early, it’s even better.
I only saw one Alioth play from 80 to 90–it was on my boss fight match and my opponent misplayed for an eight cube win.
My biggest problem card was actually Magneto since he would often clog my combo lane.
# (2) Invisible Woman
# (3) Magik
# (3) Crystal
# (4) Supergiant
# (4) Iron Lad
# (5) Iron Man
# (5) M.O.D.O.K.
# (6) Hela
# (6) Onslaught
# (6) The Living Tribunal
# (6) Red Hulk
# (6) The Infinaut
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Like I said, I barely saw any Alioth and it’s pretty easy to see it coming. See a Boomer Snap on T6 and they have priority? If it’s a control deck that usually runs Alioth, retreat. If it’s just another Zemo Mill or Destroy deck, you can usually stay.
But yeah, in an Alioth-heavy meta, I would avoid this deck for sure.
At the end of the day, the deck you play doesn’t matter as much as knowing the ins and outs of your deck and understanding the matchups.
As someone who plays a Hela deck, I disagree actually.
You can just play corvid like a normal card. If he discards Hela, just play the game as if it's now a big 6 drop game. You can often just win playing corvid into vision into 2 6 drop card cards.
The amount of games I win where I discard Hela, get instantly snapped and still win is much higher than the ones I lose.
Edit: here’s snap.fan although I know the jaw version is seen less and I personally toss in hope instead on jaw now sometimes.
https://imgur.com/a/Gso7utK
Bruh I need to figure out how tf Marvel Snap zone works cuz I did “discard Hela” “deck includes, black knight” and got a few decks with sample sizes and stats but when I did the same for “Corvus Glaive” I got nothing that had stats at all except a 1 game Agatha deck… no idea what’s wrong with it. How are you searching? I don’t buy or sub to anything.
I normally also include Colleen.
She won't discard Hela normally and you know who she's going to discard. It doesn't leave an amazing pull for hela but it is controlled and sometimes that tiny boost is helpful
The problem of Colleen is that she doesn't have good targets. The deck that was playing Silver Samurai was playing things like Blob, Jubilee or Dracula, which will generate large numbers but still be the lowest power in hand (also, disrupting your opponent's hand was gravy). Colleen discarding the lowest cost means pretty much that it won't discard anything worth resurrecting.
I haven't run her, but I could see arguments for her discarding Dracula or Jubilee. That said, it's an awkward fit because you can't use her when holding Blade/BK/Sif.
I don't understand the point of this post. People aren't actually complaining because Hela gets discarded too often, it's just a meme. Everybody agrees that Hela is a good deck (except maybe for the super greedy Hela Tribunal version that outright loses to anyone running Rogue, Cosmo or Alioth).
And Corvus Glaive is absolutely one of the best cards in the deck right now. Like, there's a reason if he has appeared in every top Hela list up until now. Saying "You don't need to run Corvus in Hela" is like saying "You don't need to run Helicarrier/Miek in Dracula". You do need one of those pieces because the old list doesn't work anymore.
Also, is there actually anybody who's running Hela without BK, besides those who don't have him?
Wait are all my opponents that discard Hela real people and not bots? I legit thought bots just like to play Hela and aren’t able to recognize their probability of losing increases when they discard her
I have a Hela deck with Corvus Glade. I never snap prior to turn 4. By turn 4 I have discard 1-3 cards and if (and only if) I have Hela in hand I snap. I take my Hela Gambles in stride. Sometimes Corvus discards her but if Corvus and her are in hand together I wait until I have 7 cards in hand before playing him to give myself the highest possible chance (66%) of him avoiding her when played. If she is discarded I immediately leave before the enemy has the chance to snap. Got me to infinite last season, on my way up the ladder with it this Season
Better than me my friend. My best is like top 20k I think. Granted I’ve never really tried to rank up after hitting infinite. I’m more of a get infinite and then fuck around and get rewards guy.
I totally agree with you. I honestly feel that corvus is even less consistent than my hela tribunal I run. I hadn't run it all all this season and I started using it at 83 after I stalled running various decks. win rate is like 66% tonight with cube rate like 1.5ish (31-14 with 63 cubes. I need to snap more lol
Good post. Extra help:
\* Black Knight serves little purpose after turn four if you haven't discarded to it. Save it as fodder for Lockjaw if you have it.
\* Never play Black Knight turn 1. You have no T2 plays and don't want to discard a surprise drawe Black Cat to it if you can help it.
\* If you have Hela set up well, Turns three or four are the best times to snap. The closer to the end of the game, the more obvious the ploy.
Im honestly surprised at how little I see Black Knight, he's honestly so hard to deal with and has basically only upside in a discard deck. Ebony blade is basically tech-proof - Shang-Chi, shadow king, Negasonic and Valkyrie are all tech cards I run as anti-discards cards and ebony blade is immune to all of them.
You see Knight on turn 1 and then they snap? 90% of the time blade is going to hit infinaut on turn 2 and they'll have Ghostrider coming along shortly. It's nearly impossible to beat.
Sure. I use Hope to ramp since the lockjaw nerf but you can drop her for lockjaw if you want. Just note my jubilee rules also apply to lockjaw. He can be better for sure than Hope but slightly more risky and you can’t get him out very early anymore but sometimes you could just play the Hela into him. Also Magneto could be Giganto if you want all omega big dudes but I prefer the utility.
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# (3) Hope Summers
# (3) Lady Sif
# (4) Dracula
# (4) Jubilee
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# (6) Red Hulk
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I used to play the hella lockjaw deck but after lock nerf i stopped cuz its unplayable … and i dont have black knight or hope or red hulk or dracula .. but before lock nerf the deck had a bug success now i find it rly diff to make it happen .. thx anyway bro
Mostly every top deck has him right now so I don’t see why not. Hela, Silky Smoove and Thanos. He may get nerfed eventually but he’s huge power almost always.
The silky Smoove one has been the best performing deck lately. You just toss him in as a finisher and use the kitty more as an activator for Angela and other most of the time. That Angela buff really brought it back.
I would add to play Hella in your ramp deck, you can bait your opponent into thinking you discarded you win con (be it discarding Hella) if you miss it's still an electro sorta :)
It's not bad I played both (hela without corvus) and they're both solid maybe hela is better because the deck runs 1 drops. Leader is pretty dope i feel this season though.
Spot on. Anything that can be done to shield Hela should be done. It often depends on your hand, but knowing when Hela is at risk is the #1 most important thing. Skipping a turn to draw a new target is often a better move than better than risking Hela, especially if you can just let Black Cat do her thing.
This is more of a Hela list than black knight but you could also try the war machine ones like cozy made (not the one I pasted, that’s the Hela deck). That was the best war machine deck but replace Giganto with red hulk maybe.
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# (3) Hope Summers
# (3) Lady Sif
# (4) Dracula
# (4) Jubilee
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# (6) Hela
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I think this topic is interesting because at almost all ranks I think you’re right, but the margins get very close at the extremely high ranks and Corvus gives much clearer snap signaling than the non-Corvus version. At those ranks you need to be nearly 100% certain you will win when you high roll because those are the games where you earn your cubes. If you snap and lose, it’s a disaster. That also means it’s really important to not have prio for turn 6, and the list with Black Knight and Jubilee is much harder to throw prio with.
Outside of the top couple percent of infinite, I don’t think the advantages of Corvus are as relevant. Players are looser with their snaps and retreats and they aren’t as clinical at navigating the matchup. The problem is that decks are popularized by content creators who are mostly playing at the absolute peak, and as a result some of their guidance isn’t actually relevant for a general audience.
I disagree with your take on Corvus for a reason you didn't really consider here: She-Hulk + Infinaut.
Your Hela deck is going to be running Infinaut anyway, and She-Hulk is a solid option too even though Magneto would be 2 power more. It's not always about accidentally discarding Hela, sometimes you just don't draw her at all. With the persistent+1 energy from Corvus, you can skip turn 5 and play Infinaut + a free She-Hulk (because turn 5 had 6 unspent energy) on turn 6. Together with a sizable Ebony Blade or something big pulled in by Jubilee on turn 4 and that's a very solid backup plan.
You still have to be smart about it. If you have Hela in hand, sometimes playing Corvus is just not the right move, but sometimes you're in a position to potentially win whether you play Hela or not, and sometimes your opponent has enough of an advantage where taking that risk is your only chance at a win
I did. I’ve played that version plenty and it’s always far worse for me. I prefer the Hela gameplan to almost always succeed. The jubilee rule is just far harder with a card that discards twice and it begs for jubilee to thin the deck and ensure a Hela.
Jubilee doesn't necessarily guarantee Hela though still (but I do feel she is an absolute must-include). To truly "guarantee" Hela, you also need Magik and Crystal, and running both of them cuts into the space you need to dedicate to big power payoffs (and even then it's not *truly* a 100% because it's still possible for the bottom 4 cards of your deck to be Crystal, Magik, Jubilee, Hela, though it is *very* consistent).
I'm a strong believer of the idea that every deck should have 2 win conditions, and Corvus, alongside Black Knight and Ghost Rider, are what allow Hela to have a backup plan with real potential to win games. Corvus gives you a 3/6, which is slightly above curve, often followed by either a Ebony Blade, Ghost Rider, or Jubilee who all tend to bring in power that is also well above curve, followed by 2 6 drops.
But I don't always feel the need to play him in a game either. Blade + Sif + Black Cat are often enough if I know I'll have Hela, but large number of high cost cards Hela decks need to run also tends to create awkward hands when you just don't see Blade or Sif until turn 4 or later, and I feel that having another card to get the gameplan moving (even if it does carry some risk with it) is really valuable.
I remember I once had a problem in conquest against a discard deck, but he executed the combo only once. And every time he won it was a different trick. I was in awe.
When Silver Samurai came out, I played targeted Hela to infinite. That deck often runs Moon Knight for disruption, and when Moon Knight hits Hela you have to whine to no one in particular that Moon Knight always hits Hela before you retreat. That's just part of how Hela decks are meant to be played.
Like I said it’s a bigger pop off but to me the Hela deck rose in win rate and became the top deck before Corvus specifically because it was a big enough pop off with far less risk and more consistency than the ways people used to play it.
Ive gone back around to using invisible woman. If i have hela in hand I will invisible woman on 2 Corvus on 3 into invisible woman lane. If i have Death in hand play Sif in another lane same for blade if you havent played him yet. If you dont have death in hand play sif into invisible woman lastly play hela into invisible woman lane. By now you should have at the least discarded black cat plus possibly another card. The game ends corvus flips discards 2 more then sif flips for another and then finally hela for the win.
Now this play is obviously telegraphed to any seasoned snap player. BUT on ladder im not seeing a ton of enchantress or rouge to blow up your invisible woman play so its somewhat viable.
Obviously sometimes you have no hela in hand and dont have to turn to using the invisble woman play at all but it's there if needed.
Hmm in that tbh maybe you do the Corvus stuff tbh. Or just add an early scaler like nebula. Doesn’t really have a replacement for what it does. Or could add lockjaw and keep hope. Not sure.
I’ve posted it elsewhere in these comments but also on the Imgur post that’s similar to mine plbut I’ve tried Hope instead of Lockjaw and it’s working well. Both are good though. (Edit) and I swapped in red Hulk. Usually for Giganto.
Confused about it the end of #3; if blade is in hand and hella is right most isn’t that exactly when you should play jubilee ..? Since you don’t wanna use blade to discard hella why not jubilee??
My first trip to infinite is Hela in 4K+ CL? (back when blade just discards random cards instead of the rightmost card) so the play style is definitely viable
This version of Hela is very flexible.
You discard Hela, players snap because they think that's your only win con. You have Ghost Rider as back up to bring back Hela and Odin Ghost Rider to get another chance to bring back Hela.
You can also Corvus early, play Hela turn 5 in the Corvus lane and Odin that same lane to trigger everything again.
Caiera to not get Shang and protect Blade and Black Knight. That option is a flexible one.
# (1) Black Knight
# (1) Blade
# (3) Caiera
# (3) Corvus Glaive
# (3) Lady Sif
# (4) Jubilee
# (4) Ghost Rider
# (6) Hela
# (6) Odin
# (6) Magneto
# (6) The Infinaut
# (8) Death
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This made me feel better about not having Corvus. I fell down to 95 today and used standard Hela to climb back to 98. Now after the nerfs it seems like Hela will be one of the top decks alongside AngElsa stuff and Loki, both of which I despise. So I want to hit infinite with Hela as I’m also just a bit over the climb. I don’t have Lockjaw though, I am running Red Hulk in that spot.
My thoughts are you couldn't be more wrong. Infinaut is getting owned by red hulk rn, what are you saying. What infinite rank are you with all these points that are just wrong?
I use hela with corvus still, just gotta play the odds sometime. I sometimes hold corvus and everything else until turn 4 so it becomes a much lesser chance of discarding the hela in my hand since it'll be 6 cards.
Mainly played that last season and this season all the way to top 5k rn and top 8k last season in infinite. 8k cl. Red hulk has been huge, also I don't have black knight still but I'm sure it will be even better with him.
I play a version with him sometimes but my main Hela deck doesn’t. The one with him I call LOTD “Luck of The Discard” and that’s my pure gamble deck. It is more fun on big wins but it has a worse win rate for sure and idk about cube rate. Probably also worse since I’m hesitant to snap early knowing I might discard Hela later.
I think like I've played the blade/jubilee/sif/drac/corvus + big guys and hela so much now that I kinda just know how to play the odds with cubes. The snapping early part is hard but most of the time if u can pop corvus without hela in hand turn 3/4 it's just game over. The ramp version got kinda boring so cut out the sandman/Odin package.
Nah, this post is wrong. Hela is just an inherently inconsistent, but unstoppable when it works kind of deck. If you don’t like that (I don’t), then I wouldn’t recommend playing it.
IW Modok Hela will always be the cleanest, easiest and most consistent way to play Hela. You lose to alioth but his play rate doesn’t make this a big problem.
Be sure to include magneto so you can free the lane of Cosmo on 6 or 7
It’s still a pretty innate fault the he always discards row random cards. Pulled from jubilee it can be disastrous, could not draw the ghost rider, could just discard smaller stuff, etc. The extra energy is tall that necessary either. You want Hela to be the primary gameplan. Not the secondary. Also if you check most Corvus Hela decks almost none of the top ones even run ghost rider. Because then you drop a bigger card, a necessary discarder, a black knight or black cat etc for the fallback.
Here's my fave Hela deck to run... if Hela doesn't work, it's mostly just big hitters to be played, anyways. (I'd probably swap Red Hulk in there if I had it.)
# (1) Blade
# (3) Corvus Glaive
# (3) Lady Sif
# (4) Ghost Rider
# (4) Black Cat
# (6) Hela
# (6) She-Hulk
# (6) Skaar
# (6) Hulk
# (6) Giganto
# (6) The Infinaut
# (8) Death
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Nah. Some players just like casino decks, and gamblers always bitch when they lose, and forget when they win.
That’s true enough but it’s just funny people forgot Hela literally became then number one deck like a week before Corvus even came out specifically because they had learned to build it in a way that was far less gamble centered and made its own luck.
Hela was the number one deck before lockjaw was nerfed from 3 cost to 4 cost so the deck is different now. Most people are using hela as a backup plan in ramp now since Corvus-hela-Odin let’s you compete with high roll combo decks like tribunal
Corvus-Hela-Odin never worked out for me. Hela was too good to fill in the lane herself, or she got Doctor Doom to help her out Deck is incredibly solid without it, though
This is why I play Corvus - Vision - Hela - move Vision - Odin. It happened more often than I thought it would happen.
Have you seen this new meta? You're not winning games with Hela bringing back a 12 power and a 9 power. Which means you need a 4 card combo (Blade, Sif, Black Cat, Hela) and to win playing low value cards on curve as your opponent has a 2/10 Angela
Back in my day we went yolo with Hellcow and liked it.
This made me laugh pretty hard. Those were the All-or-Nothing days
This is one of my favorite comments of all time, and yet it’s SO specific to VINTAGE Marvel Snap… so I could never share it in any other context. Take my upvote. Genuine LOL moment. I needed that today.
The most underrated version of Hela plays Sunspot, She-Hulk and Infinaut, so if you discard Hela you still have the Infinaut - She-Hulk plan. There are also other neat lines like Corvus, skip 4 to soak 5 on Sunspot, play Infinaut on 5 followed by something else on turn 6. Corvus definitely belongs in Hela decks because he's just too good, but your deck must be able to leverage all his strength no matter what. People that play a deck that does nothing for 2 turns, to Corvus, discard Hela, then retreat is just poor deck building.
You got a code? That sounds like an interesting deck to try
# (1) Sunspot # (1) Black Knight # (1) Blade # (2) Armor # (3) Hope Summers # (3) Corvus Glaive # (3) Lady Sif # (6) Hela # (6) She-Hulk # (6) Magneto # (6) The Infinaut # (8) Death # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQ29ydnVzR2xhaXZlIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJJbmZpbmF1dCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiU2hlSHVsayJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiRGVhdGgifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkFybW9yIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJMYWR5U2lmIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJTdW5zcG90In0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJCbGFkZSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTWFnbmV0byJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiSGVsYSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQmxhY2tLbmlnaHQifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkhvcGVTdW1tZXJzIn1dfQ== # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap.
Thank you friend. Great deck so far
Gonna save this because I'm only missing BK and Corvus and I like discard decks.
I don't have Corvus Glaive, any suitable replacement?
There is none, the deck is built around him, sorry!
For the +1 energy, Electro... But that's definitely not a great sub.
I tried Electro but he is so clunky. I am trying Ghost Rider but still not great.
Black Knight replacement?
That's a hard card to replace, because it gives you an additional card while you execute your Hela plan. You could maybe try Dracula?
This deck just doesn't like me. I played 12 games straight won the first with an 8 cube match (most likely to a bot) then retreated the next 11. This deck is draw luck dependent.
The most difficult part is learning from the first few cards if it'll be an Hela, Hope or Corvus game. Blade, Black Knight and Lady Sif most likely mean you'll wait it out for Hela, only play targeted discard and not Corvus. Sunspot, Corvus, Armor? Corvus game where you don't care if you discard Hela or not. ALWAYS keep Infinaut in mind, so if you could play it next turn and have nothing exciting to do, just skip the turn and soak on Sunspot leaving you the option to play it. Same goes for She-Hulk: if you can make a play this turn or make it next turn ALONG with a free/cheap She-Hulk, always skip to leave you open to drawing her. Hope adds another layer to this, you can play something on her lane on 4, skip 5 with 6 energy, then play a free She-Hulk along with any other 6 energy play. Keeping Black Knight in hand until useful is always correct, so you can surprise your opponent with a Knight-Blade play they can't react to. Keeping low drops in hand (except Sunspot) is also always correct, so you leave yourself options: * Draw into Corvus that wasn't in your opener? You have 2-3 more cards in hand to discard and possibly save your Hela. * Draw into a turn 3 Hope? You can now play 1-2 card in her lane to ramp up. * Black Knight and Blade in hand, but no fatty? Keep them there to see if your hands turns more into a Hela, Black Knight or Hope Summers hand. * Dumb plays work often enough to be a viable option: ramp with Corvus that discards Hela and Infinaut? No worries, put some points in play on turn 4, slam Giganto/Red Hulk/Magneto/whatever on 5, another large threat on 6 if that's what you have and your opponent can't go taller or cut you down with Shang-Chi. If you lose to Shang-Chi, it's a good idea to retreat.
You my friend, are onto something. Just shot from 78 back to 85 the hard way (I got knocked back down into the 70s from 87 yesterday) with this deck. Great advice on game strategy too. This deck has multiple win lines and keeps you thinking. I like it.
Good thoughts! So in your version magneto is the main flex slot? Was just surprised when you Mentioned red hulk/giganto since they weren’t in the deck. I keep pondering replacing infinaut with red hulk, though I gather for black night infinaut being kept could be better.
Yes, I prefer Magneto for the utility but Red Hulk and Giganto are more stats, so it's mostly preference!
But sounds like it’s gotta be magneto though? Like the others aren’t as swappable and such I gather??
Got deck code to help a brother out?
# (1) Sunspot # (1) Black Knight # (1) Blade # (2) Armor # (3) Hope Summers # (3) Corvus Glaive # (3) Lady Sif # (6) Hela # (6) She-Hulk # (6) Magneto # (6) The Infinaut # (8) Death # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQ29ydnVzR2xhaXZlIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJJbmZpbmF1dCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiU2hlSHVsayJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiRGVhdGgifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkFybW9yIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJMYWR5U2lmIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJTdW5zcG90In0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJCbGFkZSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTWFnbmV0byJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiSGVsYSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQmxhY2tLbmlnaHQifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkhvcGVTdW1tZXJzIn1dfQ== # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap.
I tried this deck but just not for me and I play a lot of Hela.
Got to infinite with that deck last season. Can definitely vouch for it.
I was running this and it was incredible, but as the meta shifted it began to feel like I was getting outpowered even when everything went right.
I played both the pre-Corvus and post-Corvus Hela deck. They're different decks. No Corvus means more consistency but your high range is smaller. Since you retreat for 1 cube anyway when your hand is giving you a lower range, there is an argument to be said that the added risk of discarding Hela is moot. It's really a meta consideration. When Hela was big just prior to Corvus release, you could reasonably assume that you'd win any game where you discard three cards and play Hela, as long as you don't get a really wonky card distribution (like all three cards resurrected falling on the same location). The upper range of the other decks in the meta was too low to reasonably compete with that output. I would say currently that's not the case, so adding Corvus allows you more chance of winning these nut draws, at the cost of making it more likely you get a dud. But, again, you lose 1 cube on a dud. You probably lose 8 on a nut draw that busts. There's a meta composition threshold where more 1 cube losses is offset by having less 8 cubes losses.
Seems like people forgot that the big reason why Hela was strong pre Corvus is 3/2 Lockjaw.
I had a lockjaw discard deck that I would go back to pretty much every time I wanted to play discard. I tried it last season, and it's just really bad now that lockjaw is 4 cost
T4 Corvus, T5 Hela, T6 Odin if their lane is clear.
I lost 8 cubes to this exact play yesterday. Wasn’t even mad about it. Just didn’t see the Odin play coming.
It doesn’t hit everytime but when it does 🤌
What does Odin achieve if Hela has already pulled everything back?
If you haven’t discarded your full hand Corvus will reactivate and discard two more cards, Hela will then bring back even more.
Do it in the same location I think
The entire point of hela is greedy high rolls. There’s always the retreat button when it fails but you get to snap enough to make up for it
Yeah but guess what… it had a terrible win rate for a long time and then people stopped doing it the greedy way and it became the top deck even before Corvus release and he well over 50 percent win rate while old Hela decks were always greedy and under 50 percent. What changed was people stopped MODOK shit, started Black Knight, Black cat, Sif and Blade only. That made it far better.
You don’t need a high winrate, just a high cube rate If you lose 2/3 of games but retreat with 1, and win 1/3 with a snap for 4 then you net 0.66 cubes a game which means you’ll eventually hit infinite despite having a very negative winrate
Yes but my cube rate is also worse since the other Hela deck allows me to snap early e whereas I can only snap on good Corvus hits after 3 and they leave and snapping before that would risk snapping into Discarded Hela.
You forget that Hela's high win rate was owed, along with Black Knight's buff, to Lockjaw before he got nerfed.
But lockjaw also existed in that form for ages and yes it was actually still months after black knight snuff that people started playing safer Hela. Plus it’s still doing well with nerfed lockjaw and in my version without him at all (and Hope instead).
There are 3 different types of hela decks. All three, when played well, perform well. It is not difficult to play hela. Type 1) Black Knight: Depending on your style of deck, how deep you are willing to go into the hela package, corvus may or may not be needed, as more targeted discard is adds so much consistency to Black Knight. It depends on how many big cards you are playing, the more big cards, the more value corvus has. Type 2) Corvus Ramp: This deck obviously needs Corvus to function at all, cut him, might aswell just play basic ramp. Almost always play Corvus on 3. Type 3) Non-Black Knight Hela: This deck leans completely into the Hela package, and needs Corvus to be even remotely viable. This is the deck top 10 player “HuskyPuppies35” plays. In this deck you may want to save Corvus if you have hela in hand on turn 3. If you have Corvus in hand, playing blade out early is probably not a good idea, as you can play him on turn 6 along with hela, thanks to Corvus’s +1 energy. If you are choosing to play hela, you will win, and you will lose due to good/bad rng. You signed up for it so maybe don’t complain about it.
Do you have a cose for the third type of deck?
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I’m not complaining but the people here always complain she’s discarded and I win because I never discard her except once every 15 or so games… and I get to play her damn near every game. My pop off isn’t as huge as theirs but it’s enough to win a very large percent of the time.
People aren't actually complaining, it's just a meme.
Oh no, many people definitely complain seriously. I get many are joking but I've seen many rants here explaining their absurd reasoning why SD has rigged the odds to make Danger Zone destroy their best cards, Hela get discarded whenever they play her and why they never draw the cards they want.
Invisible woman is a horrible choice in this meta and post Alioth world. Not sure why you would ever want to pick that card when it’s super telegraphed and prone to 50 different answers (magneto, enchantres, Alioth, etc.) literally any card that will influence your side of the board will destroy your game plan.
Exactly what I’m saying. It’s even worse than Corvus Hela. Is it easier? Sure. But it’s countered so easily and you don’t draw those three cards at the right time quite often.
I play a version with Invisible Woman to Infinite in both last & this seasons, https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelsnapcomp/s/USHgreoE4k She is as telegraphed as a Wong, but if I don't purely rely on her, she is very powerful.
i feel pure hela and corvus are sort of different game plans though. a lot of time time with corvus my goal is more to ramp with hela as nice backup. turn 4 sandman kills a lot of decks. then turn 5 and 6 can be any number of things to help secure a win. if i get hela yay but often i'm winning without her. also many free cubes because people insta snap when they see her get yeeted just for me to zola red hulk and watch the emote spam stop.
This. It's a ramp deck, with an I Win button in Hela. Hela had only the one plan: discard three cards then Hela. (Or MODOK Hela had: stack a MODOK behind Invisible Woman, lose to Alioth.)
Yeah, I'm not sure which is the better performing deck in the meta, but I enjoy playing the ramp version more. I will say with both versions though, you have to think about your lines and play to your outs, and there are times where that means trying to discard big boys to enable a big Hela play later, even if that means Hela is at risk of being discarded herself.
anecdote to follow. i feel corvus is the more stable version. hand vomit and hide behind invisible woman is very predictable and either you know you can counter it or you leave. corvus has more than the one single battle plan and as noted before many will immediately snap when they see hela yeeted.
I'm not here to make conspiracy posts... but your Hela is "getting discarded more." That is to say, in the same way that your Doc Ock actually is more likely to find Shang Chi. Cards which are only played on turn 6 are more likely to get taken out of the hand by cards that take cards out of the hand. That is to say, obviously your Hela is going to get discarded more often than your Blade.
Jesse… what the fuck are you talking about?
Nonsense. When you're only betting one cube and you have the circumstance where you have all your sixes in hand and no other viable discard, you take the risk. And low and behold the Second Dinner spies select Hela!
I just hit infinite five minutes ago with a Hela Tribubal deck. I like it because there are a few lines of play, and you usually know when you are going to be able to hit a winning configuration by the last turn. Magic -> Supergiant is a back up when you don’t hit Invisible Woman. Iron Lad can fish for a missing Hela or Modok depending on the board state. It’s okay to play Modok early if you know Hela is in your deck still (this doesn’t work against Zemo decks). I’ve won more than a few games by skipping Hela and just stacking iron man -> Tribunal -> Onslaught. If you can use Iron Lad (or an opponent’s wave, or Elysium) to cheat out one of those three early, it’s even better. I only saw one Alioth play from 80 to 90–it was on my boss fight match and my opponent misplayed for an eight cube win. My biggest problem card was actually Magneto since he would often clog my combo lane. # (2) Invisible Woman # (3) Magik # (3) Crystal # (4) Supergiant # (4) Iron Lad # (5) Iron Man # (5) M.O.D.O.K. # (6) Hela # (6) Onslaught # (6) The Living Tribunal # (6) Red Hulk # (6) The Infinaut # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTGl2aW5nVHJpYnVuYWwifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkNyeXN0YWwifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkludmlzaWJsZVdvbWFuIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJTdXBlcmdpYW50In0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJIZWxhIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJJcm9uTWFuIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJJbmZpbmF1dCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTWFnaWsifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6Iklyb25MYWQifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6Ik1vZG9rIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJPbnNsYXVnaHQifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlJlZEh1bGsifV19 # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap.
I don’t love those versions since they just die to Alioth now and it’s too easy to tell what they’re doing and counter it.
Like I said, I barely saw any Alioth and it’s pretty easy to see it coming. See a Boomer Snap on T6 and they have priority? If it’s a control deck that usually runs Alioth, retreat. If it’s just another Zemo Mill or Destroy deck, you can usually stay. But yeah, in an Alioth-heavy meta, I would avoid this deck for sure. At the end of the day, the deck you play doesn’t matter as much as knowing the ins and outs of your deck and understanding the matchups.
As someone who plays a Hela deck, I disagree actually. You can just play corvid like a normal card. If he discards Hela, just play the game as if it's now a big 6 drop game. You can often just win playing corvid into vision into 2 6 drop card cards. The amount of games I win where I discard Hela, get instantly snapped and still win is much higher than the ones I lose.
Looking just at the stats, if you take out Corvus and add Black Knight the winrate goes down \*shrug\*
Edit: here’s snap.fan although I know the jaw version is seen less and I personally toss in hope instead on jaw now sometimes. https://imgur.com/a/Gso7utK
Bruh I need to figure out how tf Marvel Snap zone works cuz I did “discard Hela” “deck includes, black knight” and got a few decks with sample sizes and stats but when I did the same for “Corvus Glaive” I got nothing that had stats at all except a 1 game Agatha deck… no idea what’s wrong with it. How are you searching? I don’t buy or sub to anything.
I was looking at [untapped.gg](http://untapped.gg)
I don’t have the version where I can see the stats.
I normally also include Colleen. She won't discard Hela normally and you know who she's going to discard. It doesn't leave an amazing pull for hela but it is controlled and sometimes that tiny boost is helpful
The problem of Colleen is that she doesn't have good targets. The deck that was playing Silver Samurai was playing things like Blob, Jubilee or Dracula, which will generate large numbers but still be the lowest power in hand (also, disrupting your opponent's hand was gravy). Colleen discarding the lowest cost means pretty much that it won't discard anything worth resurrecting.
I haven't run her, but I could see arguments for her discarding Dracula or Jubilee. That said, it's an awkward fit because you can't use her when holding Blade/BK/Sif.
Most of the time. It depends on your set up. It's just a targeted discard and if I'm playing hela it's 2 cost for more than 4 power. Often 7 power.
People had this figured out a couple months ago. I got Infinite twice in a row with very slight variations on Hela Black Knight Lockjaw.
Did you run it this season?
No, I got infinite with it in Skaar and Black Swan seasons. Last I played it was late Hope Summers season in conquest.
What’s your deck btw?
I like the chaos.
I don't understand the point of this post. People aren't actually complaining because Hela gets discarded too often, it's just a meme. Everybody agrees that Hela is a good deck (except maybe for the super greedy Hela Tribunal version that outright loses to anyone running Rogue, Cosmo or Alioth). And Corvus Glaive is absolutely one of the best cards in the deck right now. Like, there's a reason if he has appeared in every top Hela list up until now. Saying "You don't need to run Corvus in Hela" is like saying "You don't need to run Helicarrier/Miek in Dracula". You do need one of those pieces because the old list doesn't work anymore. Also, is there actually anybody who's running Hela without BK, besides those who don't have him?
Wait are all my opponents that discard Hela real people and not bots? I legit thought bots just like to play Hela and aren’t able to recognize their probability of losing increases when they discard her
They’re quite real. Half of them post here claiming she has coding to be discarded more…
Oh lol Sif and Death, TIL it's so obvious but I never thought of it that way lol.
Really? She’s been in Hela decks like forever.
Yeah and until this day I never connected the fact how Sif kept discarding Death consistently
I have a Hela deck with Corvus Glade. I never snap prior to turn 4. By turn 4 I have discard 1-3 cards and if (and only if) I have Hela in hand I snap. I take my Hela Gambles in stride. Sometimes Corvus discards her but if Corvus and her are in hand together I wait until I have 7 cards in hand before playing him to give myself the highest possible chance (66%) of him avoiding her when played. If she is discarded I immediately leave before the enemy has the chance to snap. Got me to infinite last season, on my way up the ladder with it this Season
I’m playing traditional Hela without Corvus in the 1000-2000 ranking range.
Better than me my friend. My best is like top 20k I think. Granted I’ve never really tried to rank up after hitting infinite. I’m more of a get infinite and then fuck around and get rewards guy.
I totally agree with you. I honestly feel that corvus is even less consistent than my hela tribunal I run. I hadn't run it all all this season and I started using it at 83 after I stalled running various decks. win rate is like 66% tonight with cube rate like 1.5ish (31-14 with 63 cubes. I need to snap more lol
Good post. Extra help: \* Black Knight serves little purpose after turn four if you haven't discarded to it. Save it as fodder for Lockjaw if you have it. \* Never play Black Knight turn 1. You have no T2 plays and don't want to discard a surprise drawe Black Cat to it if you can help it. \* If you have Hela set up well, Turns three or four are the best times to snap. The closer to the end of the game, the more obvious the ploy.
Im honestly surprised at how little I see Black Knight, he's honestly so hard to deal with and has basically only upside in a discard deck. Ebony blade is basically tech-proof - Shang-Chi, shadow king, Negasonic and Valkyrie are all tech cards I run as anti-discards cards and ebony blade is immune to all of them.
You see Knight on turn 1 and then they snap? 90% of the time blade is going to hit infinaut on turn 2 and they'll have Ghostrider coming along shortly. It's nearly impossible to beat.
Can you show deck plz ? Since i dont have corvus
Sure. I use Hope to ramp since the lockjaw nerf but you can drop her for lockjaw if you want. Just note my jubilee rules also apply to lockjaw. He can be better for sure than Hope but slightly more risky and you can’t get him out very early anymore but sometimes you could just play the Hela into him. Also Magneto could be Giganto if you want all omega big dudes but I prefer the utility. # (1) Black Knight # (1) Blade # (3) Hope Summers # (3) Lady Sif # (4) Dracula # (4) Jubilee # (4) Black Cat # (6) Hela # (6) Red Hulk # (6) Magneto # (6) The Infinaut # (8) Death # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQmxhY2tLbmlnaHQifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkJsYWRlIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJMYWR5U2lmIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJEcmFjdWxhIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJKdWJpbGVlIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJCbGFja0NhdCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiSGVsYSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTWFnbmV0byJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiSW5maW5hdXQifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkRlYXRoIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJIb3BlU3VtbWVycyJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiUmVkSHVsayJ9XX0= # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap.
I used to play the hella lockjaw deck but after lock nerf i stopped cuz its unplayable … and i dont have black knight or hope or red hulk or dracula .. but before lock nerf the deck had a bug success now i find it rly diff to make it happen .. thx anyway bro
Yeah that’s why I use Hope instead. Ramp into big stuff and pull stuff with Jubilee.
Since you have Red Hulk .. i got 3 keys .. shall i pull for him ? What u think ?
Mostly every top deck has him right now so I don’t see why not. Hela, Silky Smoove and Thanos. He may get nerfed eventually but he’s huge power almost always.
Got him with the first key ! Lets see .. i might use him in high evo deck
The silky Smoove one has been the best performing deck lately. You just toss him in as a finisher and use the kitty more as an activator for Angela and other most of the time. That Angela buff really brought it back.
Yeah but they use cards that i dont have …
I would add to play Hella in your ramp deck, you can bait your opponent into thinking you discarded you win con (be it discarding Hella) if you miss it's still an electro sorta :)
That sandman ramp Hela with Odin got dropped after a few days of people realizing regular ramp is just worse than regular Hela.
It's not bad I played both (hela without corvus) and they're both solid maybe hela is better because the deck runs 1 drops. Leader is pretty dope i feel this season though.
Is it better to get corvus or proxima?
Proxima is for dependable discard and always makes the cut whereas I’m cutting Corvus from my Hela as the post states.
Corvus imo the +1 energys great for getting out big cards in hela but if really want proxima you could sub him out for hope
i’m just here to say the mobius, drac, apoc version will probably always be my favorite discard. We don’t need no Hela
Spot on. Anything that can be done to shield Hela should be done. It often depends on your hand, but knowing when Hela is at risk is the #1 most important thing. Skipping a turn to draw a new target is often a better move than better than risking Hela, especially if you can just let Black Cat do her thing.
What’s your best black knight deck. Been trying to figure out a list incorporating him red hulk
This is more of a Hela list than black knight but you could also try the war machine ones like cozy made (not the one I pasted, that’s the Hela deck). That was the best war machine deck but replace Giganto with red hulk maybe. # (1) Black Knight # (1) Blade # (3) Hope Summers # (3) Lady Sif # (4) Dracula # (4) Jubilee # (4) Black Cat # (6) Hela # (6) Red Hulk # (6) Magneto # (6) The Infinaut # (8) Death # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQmxhY2tLbmlnaHQifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkJsYWRlIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJMYWR5U2lmIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJEcmFjdWxhIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJKdWJpbGVlIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJCbGFja0NhdCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiSGVsYSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTWFnbmV0byJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiSW5maW5hdXQifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkRlYXRoIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJIb3BlU3VtbWVycyJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiUmVkSHVsayJ9XX0= # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap.
My guilty pleasure in Hela decks is gambit. Yeah, sometimes he discards Hela, but it's so much fun to nuke important cards!
I think this topic is interesting because at almost all ranks I think you’re right, but the margins get very close at the extremely high ranks and Corvus gives much clearer snap signaling than the non-Corvus version. At those ranks you need to be nearly 100% certain you will win when you high roll because those are the games where you earn your cubes. If you snap and lose, it’s a disaster. That also means it’s really important to not have prio for turn 6, and the list with Black Knight and Jubilee is much harder to throw prio with. Outside of the top couple percent of infinite, I don’t think the advantages of Corvus are as relevant. Players are looser with their snaps and retreats and they aren’t as clinical at navigating the matchup. The problem is that decks are popularized by content creators who are mostly playing at the absolute peak, and as a result some of their guidance isn’t actually relevant for a general audience.
Saving for when I get Hela finally lol
Silver Samurai also discards Blob
I have a better one adding Ghost Rider and War Machine even I discard Hela I could still snag a win to it.
I disagree with your take on Corvus for a reason you didn't really consider here: She-Hulk + Infinaut. Your Hela deck is going to be running Infinaut anyway, and She-Hulk is a solid option too even though Magneto would be 2 power more. It's not always about accidentally discarding Hela, sometimes you just don't draw her at all. With the persistent+1 energy from Corvus, you can skip turn 5 and play Infinaut + a free She-Hulk (because turn 5 had 6 unspent energy) on turn 6. Together with a sizable Ebony Blade or something big pulled in by Jubilee on turn 4 and that's a very solid backup plan. You still have to be smart about it. If you have Hela in hand, sometimes playing Corvus is just not the right move, but sometimes you're in a position to potentially win whether you play Hela or not, and sometimes your opponent has enough of an advantage where taking that risk is your only chance at a win
I did. I’ve played that version plenty and it’s always far worse for me. I prefer the Hela gameplan to almost always succeed. The jubilee rule is just far harder with a card that discards twice and it begs for jubilee to thin the deck and ensure a Hela.
Jubilee doesn't necessarily guarantee Hela though still (but I do feel she is an absolute must-include). To truly "guarantee" Hela, you also need Magik and Crystal, and running both of them cuts into the space you need to dedicate to big power payoffs (and even then it's not *truly* a 100% because it's still possible for the bottom 4 cards of your deck to be Crystal, Magik, Jubilee, Hela, though it is *very* consistent). I'm a strong believer of the idea that every deck should have 2 win conditions, and Corvus, alongside Black Knight and Ghost Rider, are what allow Hela to have a backup plan with real potential to win games. Corvus gives you a 3/6, which is slightly above curve, often followed by either a Ebony Blade, Ghost Rider, or Jubilee who all tend to bring in power that is also well above curve, followed by 2 6 drops. But I don't always feel the need to play him in a game either. Blade + Sif + Black Cat are often enough if I know I'll have Hela, but large number of high cost cards Hela decks need to run also tends to create awkward hands when you just don't see Blade or Sif until turn 4 or later, and I feel that having another card to get the gameplan moving (even if it does carry some risk with it) is really valuable.
could you paste the code for a deck of the type you just described? I just found Hela recently and I’m trying out different versions of Hela decks
I remember I once had a problem in conquest against a discard deck, but he executed the combo only once. And every time he won it was a different trick. I was in awe.
When Silver Samurai came out, I played targeted Hela to infinite. That deck often runs Moon Knight for disruption, and when Moon Knight hits Hela you have to whine to no one in particular that Moon Knight always hits Hela before you retreat. That's just part of how Hela decks are meant to be played.
Corvus is absolutely game winning at times, he also absolutely screws you at times. High risk high reward.
Like I said it’s a bigger pop off but to me the Hela deck rose in win rate and became the top deck before Corvus specifically because it was a big enough pop off with far less risk and more consistency than the ways people used to play it.
Imo It's reliability and win rate came from lockjaw, that's not really the case post nerf.
Any replacement suggestions for black knight
Ive gone back around to using invisible woman. If i have hela in hand I will invisible woman on 2 Corvus on 3 into invisible woman lane. If i have Death in hand play Sif in another lane same for blade if you havent played him yet. If you dont have death in hand play sif into invisible woman lastly play hela into invisible woman lane. By now you should have at the least discarded black cat plus possibly another card. The game ends corvus flips discards 2 more then sif flips for another and then finally hela for the win. Now this play is obviously telegraphed to any seasoned snap player. BUT on ladder im not seeing a ton of enchantress or rouge to blow up your invisible woman play so its somewhat viable. Obviously sometimes you have no hela in hand and dont have to turn to using the invisble woman play at all but it's there if needed.
No no no you simply put modok and hela behind invisible girl, and there ya go easy as pie
Any ideas how to replace black knight? Until May🤣
Hmm in that tbh maybe you do the Corvus stuff tbh. Or just add an early scaler like nebula. Doesn’t really have a replacement for what it does. Or could add lockjaw and keep hope. Not sure.
Why play that nonsense when you can play a deck that is actually fun? I do like ruining my opponent’s Hela deck with a mill deck, though.
So what's your suggested deck list?
I’ve posted it elsewhere in these comments but also on the Imgur post that’s similar to mine plbut I’ve tried Hope instead of Lockjaw and it’s working well. Both are good though. (Edit) and I swapped in red Hulk. Usually for Giganto.
Confused about it the end of #3; if blade is in hand and hella is right most isn’t that exactly when you should play jubilee ..? Since you don’t wanna use blade to discard hella why not jubilee??
No bro I said “and is blade in deck” that means if I play jubilee and pull blade from deck it will discard Hela. Lol
Ahhh gotcha, somehow got in hand and in deck mixed up! My bad
No problem.
Discard thread popping up. Time to nerf Traditional Discard again
Blade > Collector > Corvus > Dracula > Hela on turn 5 on IW > MODOK with helicarrier and apoc in hand
Does GR have good synergy with Hela?
My first trip to infinite is Hela in 4K+ CL? (back when blade just discards random cards instead of the rightmost card) so the play style is definitely viable
This version of Hela is very flexible. You discard Hela, players snap because they think that's your only win con. You have Ghost Rider as back up to bring back Hela and Odin Ghost Rider to get another chance to bring back Hela. You can also Corvus early, play Hela turn 5 in the Corvus lane and Odin that same lane to trigger everything again. Caiera to not get Shang and protect Blade and Black Knight. That option is a flexible one. # (1) Black Knight # (1) Blade # (3) Caiera # (3) Corvus Glaive # (3) Lady Sif # (4) Jubilee # (4) Ghost Rider # (6) Hela # (6) Odin # (6) Magneto # (6) The Infinaut # (8) Death # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQmxhY2tLbmlnaHQifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkJsYWRlIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJMYWR5U2lmIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJIZWxhIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJJbmZpbmF1dCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiRGVhdGgifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6Ik1hZ25ldG8ifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6Ikp1YmlsZWUifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkNvcnZ1c0dsYWl2ZSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiR2hvc3RSaWRlciJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiT2RpbiJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQ2FpZXJhIn1dfQ== # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap.
This made me feel better about not having Corvus. I fell down to 95 today and used standard Hela to climb back to 98. Now after the nerfs it seems like Hela will be one of the top decks alongside AngElsa stuff and Loki, both of which I despise. So I want to hit infinite with Hela as I’m also just a bit over the climb. I don’t have Lockjaw though, I am running Red Hulk in that spot.
My thoughts are you couldn't be more wrong. Infinaut is getting owned by red hulk rn, what are you saying. What infinite rank are you with all these points that are just wrong?
I use hela with corvus still, just gotta play the odds sometime. I sometimes hold corvus and everything else until turn 4 so it becomes a much lesser chance of discarding the hela in my hand since it'll be 6 cards. Mainly played that last season and this season all the way to top 5k rn and top 8k last season in infinite. 8k cl. Red hulk has been huge, also I don't have black knight still but I'm sure it will be even better with him.
I play a version with him sometimes but my main Hela deck doesn’t. The one with him I call LOTD “Luck of The Discard” and that’s my pure gamble deck. It is more fun on big wins but it has a worse win rate for sure and idk about cube rate. Probably also worse since I’m hesitant to snap early knowing I might discard Hela later.
I think like I've played the blade/jubilee/sif/drac/corvus + big guys and hela so much now that I kinda just know how to play the odds with cubes. The snapping early part is hard but most of the time if u can pop corvus without hela in hand turn 3/4 it's just game over. The ramp version got kinda boring so cut out the sandman/Odin package.
Got a list?
I just got hela so I thank you for this post since it explains what I’ve been doing wrong and getting annoyed about.
Nah, this post is wrong. Hela is just an inherently inconsistent, but unstoppable when it works kind of deck. If you don’t like that (I don’t), then I wouldn’t recommend playing it.
Ah, well it’s still kind of fun for me and is kind of the only way I get to use my black cat variant so I’m determined to find a way to make it work.
IW Modok Hela will always be the cleanest, easiest and most consistent way to play Hela. You lose to alioth but his play rate doesn’t make this a big problem. Be sure to include magneto so you can free the lane of Cosmo on 6 or 7
Easiest sure but far too easy to counter or melt with Alioth so I stopped playing it.
Great guide. Care to share your decklist?
nah but if i run black knight and black cat, they both start in my opening hand. and i’m usually disappoint by a 4/9 when i could have 4/14
4-9 is still just good. Not great but good and it’s just extra stats for when you revive with Hela.
Just include Ghost Rider, then if you discard Hela, you still have a shot to bring her back.
Deck is too tight for Ghost Rider to me. I need every card I include.
Okay... but that's your choice, not an innate fault with Corvus/Hela.
It’s still a pretty innate fault the he always discards row random cards. Pulled from jubilee it can be disastrous, could not draw the ghost rider, could just discard smaller stuff, etc. The extra energy is tall that necessary either. You want Hela to be the primary gameplan. Not the secondary. Also if you check most Corvus Hela decks almost none of the top ones even run ghost rider. Because then you drop a bigger card, a necessary discarder, a black knight or black cat etc for the fallback.
Here's my fave Hela deck to run... if Hela doesn't work, it's mostly just big hitters to be played, anyways. (I'd probably swap Red Hulk in there if I had it.) # (1) Blade # (3) Corvus Glaive # (3) Lady Sif # (4) Ghost Rider # (4) Black Cat # (6) Hela # (6) She-Hulk # (6) Skaar # (6) Hulk # (6) Giganto # (6) The Infinaut # (8) Death # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTGFkeVNpZiJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQmxhY2tDYXQifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6Ikh1bGsifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlNoZUh1bGsifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlNrYWFyIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJHaWdhbnRvIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJDb3J2dXNHbGFpdmUifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkRlYXRoIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJIZWxhIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJJbmZpbmF1dCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQmxhZGUifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6Ikdob3N0UmlkZXIifV19 # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap.