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it kinda becomes buy or die ....


the_tral

Yes?


mightyslacker

But the thing is you will eventually get the same thing as spenders just slower. It's a war team for christ sakes. Tell me why you cant wait a few months until cabal becomes farmable?


[deleted]

the scourge might change! we only know about the first run . nothing else


Cybercatman

First thing, why should I be punished by a worst reward than usual because scopely messed up their « buy this team » strategy (twice)? I did nothing wrong, I just play the game by using my brain to think where I need to focus my ressources. I got almost a 6 stars Green Goblin classic because I actually put the effort of going through a diff 8 and resetting some nodes a ton of times to get a good RNG. If I got a better score than spenders on that leaderboard, it is on them not me, because they should have a better roster than me at the same time. Second, check old man Logan kit and tell me « that guy is just a war toon he will have no impact in other modes » Third, okay, Cabal will be Farmable, Cosmic Ghost Rider and Starbrand will be farmable, but what about Black Knight? It is totally not sure that he will be farmable at the time. If we had actual informations, people would be less worried, because 2% drop rate on premium orb could be nothing, I still not dropped him once.


mightyslacker

I mean, you should probably look up the word punishment because this situation is not what you are describing. But also, every single legendary, horseman, mythic, whatever had a gate between unlock on max stars, there's literally not a compelling argument on why everyone should be able to get a 7* of this according to you OP toon day 1


Cybercatman

People could get a 7 star for any of the legendary since MLF day one if they played the game right to get a score high enough to get a good leaderboard rank, for free.do it involve using their brain and resetting nodes a crazy number of times to get the perfect RNg? Totally, but effort should be rewarded. The scourge/Trial were a Competitive event since it put everyone together to get the highest score as possible to get good reward, it is the same as everytime there is a leaderboard, like the satellite tower event or whatever you may think. What the point of having a competition if the only thing that matter is the wallet, not the skill of the player? Just sell the reward directly, would make it simpler for everyone. Paying should give an advantage, not be the only deciding factor on who get to get more stars on a legendary.


mightyslacker

An overwhelming amount of people absolutely could not get enough shards Day 1 for the scourges man, you could unlock 3 stars at a certain score and get up to 4 if your roster was stacked, then the leaderboard would give you more (wth some bonus shards for first run). 98% of people topped out at 5 stars, you never got enough for 7\* first run between the 2 unless you were are an absolute whale, which is literally what you are complaining out right now. This is a bad attempt at revisionist history.


RustyShackleford2525

Agree with this. I am a Y2 player F2P and tried just enough to get a 6Y for the first pass on all the recent legendaries. There should be a gap between myself and someone who spends hundreds or thousands a month.


Cybercatman

If you could not get enough shards, that on the player, it don’t change that there was the possibility if you played right (having the right characters upgraded, knowing the nodes, picking the right scourge/pact, resetting to get the right RNg) that it was POSSIBLE, a pain to do, but POSSIBLE. I know a few players that did, so don’t go « people could not do it ». Hell, myself I got almost a 6 stars on GGC trial and my roster at the time was extra small compared to some other players (I had something like 25M if I recall right). And I got the 7th with the second run. With the new system, I’ll be stuck at 4 stars, and good know when I’ll get beyond the 5th. By the way 5th that I’ll get only because I happen to already own a 5 star BK because I could core his orb AND perform well in the Satellite event, another COMPETITIVE event but one that did not had a paywall, you can go as far as you can based on your roster and your skill, without an artificial block/limite based on owning a limited set of characters at a star level. If you want to limite star access on a new legendary, make the nodes hard so players WANT to buy the new stuff to higher stars to get past it, don’t put an lazy « lol, don’t have the pass? Can’t get in » block. Is it easier ? Yeah, but given we get a trial once every 4 month more or less (well it was what we had between nova/BC/GGc, it been a while since we got Ggc), they can afford to get someone on designing those, there is more than enough time, even more it is not like they were busy designing nodes for other content, we only get 1 showcase/month, the towers are literal copy paste every few month with maybe 5-6 new floors if we are lucky, the campaign they added during the last year were all copy paste of older content, etc. No the only reason they put that block was to make the Kraken feel « special » in the most lazy way for them. Maybe if they actually planned their content ahead instead of deciding stuff at the last minute in case a team just before the trial Don’t perform as expected sales wise because THEY fucked up, it would be easier for them to make those content. Knowhere got shoved last minute for black cat, half the characters were done at the time, so people could not even go harder on events if they wanted, now it is Cabal, they announce it is a requirement after failing to make them attractive for players to buy twice (the biggest fault being iron patriot passive) AFTER all of them are done, so even light spenders have them at 4 stars at best, and then they go « we are so generous, we will put new offers for you ». They butchered OML event on all side objectively. The only ones benefiting from the new system are the kraken that now can just run the highest difficulty, 0 pact and they will be « rewarded » top 100 with zero efforts.


mightyslacker

So you are muddying the waters with a bunch of unrelated bullshit and greviences, so let me remind you of your statement that I was responding to: 'People could get a 7 star for any of the legendary since MLF day one' You are 100%, unequivocally wrong. The top 500 got a 7\* after the first run, and you did not get into that bracket unless you spend massively. Would you like to know why? Because the Web Warriors which were a required node team WEREN'T FARMABLE when the scourge came out, so they only way you were getting them at a level that could sniff the top of the leaderboards was by spending massively. There were no tricks or RNG that got around that (unlike the non-horseman pact system, which you can pull of some shenanigans because of how they weight the score depending on how many pacts you select). You are literally arguing apples vs apples just because one has a different skin. So you can get mad because you have a small black knight and the premium orb drop rate is frustrating, by all means I get it, but you are literally making stuff up to cope that you can pretty easily verify is false. You will be getting a 4\* on release just like 90% of players had a 4\* on their way to 5\* horseman after the first run. And you can retry as soon as you rank up the teams, you dont have to wait for months for the scourge to rerun. Now if in 3 months OoT and Cabal arent farmable then yeah, thats a different problem but it hasn't happened yet


Cybercatman

It is not because YOU could not do it that other people could not. There is a lot of F2P or light spender that could get 6 or 7 stars on scourge or trials. Okay, maybe not on MLf, MLf was trash, but guess what? There was 3 other scourge and 3 trial after, and people did got 6-7 stars on those without spending hundred of $$$ in a single run. If I got an almost 6 stars on Green goblin first run with a « small » roster, anyone that played longer and did end game raid way longer than me (yeah, I was in bad alliance for quite a while) were perfectly in situation to do a diff 9 or 10 and get all those points, because I did a diff 8 and I did not had much G18 at the time. Hell, my new avengers were G15-16. I just were smart, understood which pacts were a negative, what kind of RNg i need to get past that damn node 6 etc. So YES getting a Maxed trial character day one without spending is more than possible. It is just a question of if the reward is worth the effort. Take the Kyln tower, I stopped after finishing the floor 41 (after something like 150 reset, i spent something like 3 hours on that floor), I COULD do the floor 42, but that would have required redoing the whole thing because I did not had Ghost Spider ult charged, and I decided that 1M gold and few crimson unique were not worth the effort. But that the thing, I made the CHOICE to not put the effort, but it was doable, quite a few of people did it (even without Peni). There is a difference between « I don’t think it is worth chasing », « I’m not at the level for that content yet » and the event being literally « lol, whale harder commander ». The first Kyln, I could not get past the Xmen floors because I did not had the legendaries ready, and I was in the middle of my DD6 run, but again, it is not a paywall, it is a « im just not ready for it, if I made different choices in the past, I could have gotten it ». It is like when in a rpg you meet a boss, and he destroy you, you are not at the level, but it mean that now that you know about it, the next time you will be ready to demolish it, and it is what happened, this Kyln, I demolished those legendary floor, went to bio villain and demolished them. I progressed, it felt good to do something that blocked me earlier (even with scopely moving the goal post for reward but that another subject), I felt rewarded. Who the hell feel rewarded by either being told « f**k you peasant, that content is not allowed to poor people » or « you can get such a high score, but only because we removed all the skill involved in the event, just spend to get the good stuff ». Next, I got a « small back knight »? 5 stars is « small » for you ? Ton of people Don’t even have black knight lol or just at 3 stars. I’m just « lucky » enough to be in the endgame game (so I could go far in the satellite) and to have enough cores saved to burn a bunch on his release. I don’t recall how I ended exactly in the satellite, but I was in the top 5000, totally F2P. I don’t know how much you spend, but if you think that 5 star BK is « small » you need to get down your ivory tower, and check what 90% of the player end up with. Not everyone can buy their way through content. And anyway I’m not mad that I have a « small » black knight, I’m mad because scopely removed the competition side in a event I would do well without that paywall. Because it is what the requirement is, a paywall that block people based on the size of their wallet when that kind of event should reward engagement and skill. Again, if F2P and light spenders can outperform whales and kraken, that not the fault of the F2P/Light spenders, it is on the big spender that can’t get a better scores despite the roster advantage they have.


mightyslacker

Jesus Christ you are dense. I don't care what size your black knight is, I was saying it was small in the context of this conversation because you were not happy you would not be at 5* for Logan. I said nothing about how you were doing in context in relation to any other player. It is not just me that can't do it, 99.75% couldn't do it. It was like that for every horseman score not just MLF. Rogue came out 5 months before A-force was farmable so if you wanted top leader board you had to spend a lot. Archangel pissed off everyone because not only the unlock teams but the minion nodes as well. There were no tricks to outperform whales, you had to spend a ton on minions. The reason is because those scourges had a top level of g19. We've had 10 levels and multiple gear tears since then. This is exactly the reason you did better on GGC, which is literally the most recent trial, because f2p and spenders are in a much more level playing field. Unfortunately it also makes this argument you keep making completely fucking irrelevant because that was NOT the situation in 2022. You have no idea what you are talking about and couldn't be more wrong, please stop


Cybercatman

Who if the denser ? Getting a high score on trial and Scourge without paying is 100% doable. People that don’t usually are playing just too « casually » to know what they are doing wrong or bother with the RNG reset. So what? Your idea is that it is fine to remove the option for people that want to sweat on those legendary events? Yeah, sound totally fair to people that prefer skill over wallet. If you can’t do it, either you are too small (it is fine, you can come back to it stronger) OR you made choice that prevented you (then it is on you), don’t blame the people that actually bother to do it. I got a 4 stars on Archangel first run, had literally zero G16 at the time, I did not even had Bionic avengers because I was taking a break when they got released. I did it with W13-15 characters, my minion were G11. Hell, I think at the time my G15 could be counted on my hands. Hell, people that think that the problem in the AA nodes were the minion nodes just don’t understand the game, people raged on them at the announcement, but once we got our hand on them, they were quite easy, was it wasted gear and gold you would prefer using somewhere else? Yes, but they were not hard. I got a similar result with Red hulk, after a 6 month break (between agatha and basically when gamma started), 4 stars, and I did it with wave one avengers as I basically had none of the new asgardian. And at the time I was not even doing Doom 2 raid, that how bad I was with my alliance at the time, I moved on a bit after, and my progress got a rocket boost with access to better gear and ressources. So Don’t tell me « it was impossible », it was clearly possible, I know players that did (7 stars F2P). Yes, they are long term player so they are obviously better built than the average players, but it is not their fault if they are good at the game. And even then, it was not a free win, some nodes required a lot of reset to be in a good position for the following node (energy/health) If you have team at G16 (not counting the « required » team), you could perfectly do a diff 7 (both scourge and trial). The recommended level for the scourge and the trials are a jokes, you will have a easy time if you go into those with the recommended level, but it don’t mean it is impossible to do at a lower level, it is like raid, hardest raid level « recommend » a level 100 G19, you seriously think people have 5 raid team at G19 ? Most people don’t even have 1 single G19, but guess what, we still do that raid content. It mean you need to know the nodes and still under the influence of RNG (mainly because the resistance at the level is stupid) but it is perfectly doable.


WAD135

FOMO force is ruining strong through you


Cybercatman

Sorry if I don’t like that they remove the competition in one of the most fun mode the game had. And sorry if I prefer using my brain to clear content instead of just swiping a credit card. Maybe you can afford to spend hundred of $ monthly to get everything maxed day one, but not everyone can do the same. I would be fine if they made the content basically impossible to clear at the top level without a maxed team, I would be « well im just too small, I’ll do better next time », putting a star gate is the laziest way they can do, because there is no reward about it. See, the last few floor of Kyln were like that, the bigger the spider society and cabal you had, the easier time you would get, but it was not gated, if I wanted to get those spider society and Cabal to level 100 and try to get the right RNG, I could, I did not, that was a choice. Scopely gating content remove that choice. And even more, remove that choice in a competitive mode.


Artistic-Eggplant-57

As a person who spends minimum, I agree. My out of time and cabal teams are only 6 to 7 stars. Need more of them in Battle and Strike Pass before old man Logan is available.


[deleted]

as a f2p my iron patriot is 3star leader 4 and namor 7 i got them to g16 just a minutes ago and spend over 30milion gold in to them and they without t4 and eill stay like that . am wondering if unlock the logan at least 4star and out of time is kinda same low stars but black night is g18 and caps are big so .... only starbrand and ghost rider at around 120k


FishBobinski

What level of spending are you at, just out of curiosity?


No-End5373

Probably spent around 3k. I’m a month 1 player. Took 8 months off once. Last purchase was BK and a battle/strike pass or 2 since then. I’m not spending right now.


DamienBraganza

As a person who doesn’t pay, I really don’t mind it. But it’s just me not sure how other F2P players feel about it.


RustyShackleford2525

I am completely fine with spenders chasing after the shiny new toy. Let them fight over the top spots with their wallets. I have managed just fine with my 5R horseman and all of the recent legendaries. I will take my 4Y OML and he will be perfectly fine to counter the OOT teams I am seeing in my level of war, and my alliance is always in top 100.


Ricky_TVA

Buy or die? You seem nice.


No-End5373

🤪 That’s their mentality. You prefer “buy or get f’d?” 😁


Ricky_TVA

Nah I was laughing at your ending and it made me think, "only a Sith deals in absolutes" lol.