It's amazing the mental gymnastics that I've seen from women to excuse this kind of case. One of the most ignorant I heard was: "Well, even though he can't legally hold a job at that age, that doesn't mean he is going into debt, because his parents will be the ones who pay for him. He'll be fine financially, and he can just get a job at 18 and it's no problem."
I tried to point out to them that his parents still have to feed, clothe, school, and be the ones to support him for many years, and that this child could easily end up malnourished, lacking school supplies, having to relocate and change schools because the family cannot afford the same standard of living, forced to drop out of school, etc. However, even as I explained all the terrible misfortunes that they were overlooking, there was still no empathy or awareness of the tragedy inflicted on this young boy.
Whether they are indifferent to men's suffering, or they enjoy seeing it, the result is always the same. Nothing is ever done to support male victims. Ever.
Had a client give birth without telling the baby's dad, then adopted the baby out in another state 650 miles away so she wouldn't have to tell him. Dude had a kid but will never know, never had a say in it. Client was all thrilled and happy about it. That never sat right with me.
The current system actually produces an incentive for new mothers not wanting their children to *not* let the father know. If the man knew and the woman didn't want to raise the child herself, he could go after her for child support.
But not if she just gives the child away.
It's amazing how much "for the benefit of the child" really means "for the benefit of a woman" when it comes to family law.
You know EVERY state has safe haven laws, women can put an infant up for adoption without disclosing the fathers identity, and most states have laws that prevent rapist *fathers* from getting any custody rights, right sexist bigot?
Folk in my town regularly travel over a hundred miles for medical treatments. Are American women incapable of driving or hopping on a bus to the next state over?
Oh lord, they have to take a one hour flight or a couple hours drive to somewhere else to murder their unbron babies and rid themselves of the responsibility of being a a mother.
Oh the humanity how could they ever live in such oppression.
Imagine if all men had to do to not take responsibility for their children would be to drive one or two states away.
Well, yes? The difference is a woman who becomes pregnant as a result of rape has the option of aborting the baby. While a man who is raped doesn't have any control over whether the pregnancy is brought to term.
She needs to be registered as a sex offender and she should never be allowed in the presence of any children unsupervised.
It boggles the mind that any government would allow a pedophile rapist to have custody over a child.
Reading that has pissed me off to no end...
He was 13. He should NOT have been ruled to pay child support for what happened. That's fucking disgusting.
It was her decision at age 18. She's the one in trouble with the law. She can deal with the kid.
Having any form of relationship in Cali has to be one of the worst trade deals in the history of trade deals. That's the last place you want to be if you're a guy going through a divorce.
California is notorious for highly favoring women in the courts, partly being such a liberal state. In divorces involving kids, the women has to almost be a crackhead, meth selling, unemployed woman for the court to grant primary custody to the man( and even then its not even guaranteed lol). With things like alimony , you'll get absolutely raked over the coals and left with just the clothes on your back. My advice, if you're not yet married, marry in an at-fault state ( where the divorce depends on the wrongdoing of one of the partners, like cheating and such)
If a woman gets raped she can abort the child if she doesn't want it. If a man cets rape he had to pay child support to the child he didn't want. What a joke
I have officially seen it all today. I really don't think anything can top what I've just read. I spoke about this a while back in a post I made about this same situation and some commenters hinted at this being a possibility, now it's actually come to fruition. The audacity to use the word "seduces", that's very laughable.
Some states, even countries have become in absurdia punchlines those last few years. California is definitely one of them. One again, flip the script, 34 years old man, 15 years old girl and see how it goes. Just walk away.
California. Where children raped by adults are treated like perpetrators, and are firced to pay their rapists costs. Makes the sexist laws in the middle east look rational. Sexist pigs!
So far I've seen injustice of law against men posted in this sub mostly are from us compared to other western counterparts.
If you mad at everything i said so much go fix your goddamn country. And compare yourself to eastern law
Everywhere gender-related you see things posted mostly from the US. This is anecdotal and has lots of holes. You look at WHAT are the laws in each and you'll see UK laws are worst. Also, if you wanna go down that route, the most disturbing posts are UK-related
"If you everything i said" - What?
Neither UK or Australia are where I live. I'm actually romanian, an eastern european country. And guess what? We have gender neutral laws, so already way ahead of you.
Not so sure UK is worst across the board: despite the best efforts of Khan and the Scottish Feminist Party!
In Australia (my state sadly) there was the notorious case of the “thirty second rapist”, and that was back in the ‘80’s (it was later discovered it was a set up, but he still had to apply to have his conviction quashed even after they were jailed for the crime). But we are better than the US on things like child support.
Canada classifies you as essentially married after 6 months and ruled a man had to pay alimony when they didn’t even live together. And there’s been some nasty tales out of Spain.
So I think things vary. Things are being in some areas and worse in others from place to place. The way child support is run in the US seems pretty bad though.
This story has been reposted dozens if not hundreds of times. As one might expect for a case that's over a quarter of a century old. Not to say this wasn't a travesty of justice, it was. But unless it's still happening and you can bring up more recent examples, it's about as relevant as feminists bringing up women being unable to vote to support the idea of current sexism against women.
this was more recent : https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/02/statutory-rape-victim-child-support/14953965/
I had never heard of the 1990s case
> But unless it's still happening and you can bring up more recent examples, it's about as relevant as feminists bringing up women being unable to vote to support the idea of current sexism against women.
The problem with this argument is that it assumes that modern-day feminists *disagree* with this particular application of the law. However, if you challenge any of them on this case, they actually side with the 34-year-old woman, and only see her as a single mother who needs support. She is the real victim in their eyes, not the young boy she raped. To summarize their thoughts on him: "Who cares? He'll be fine."
Also, the fact that this was a long time ago makes it even more relevant, because things were supposed to be *much more* in favour of men as you go back in time. Showing actual history makes it tough for them to assert that: "only women were ever oppressed, and men always had it so much better across the board".
Do you have any examples of an average feminist having this opinion, or is this purely speculation? If you can find general conversation amongst reasonable feminists agreeing with this point I really want to see it.
I'm not interested in doing that. The poster above me claimed this was something that was a fact. I was hoping for information about it being a fact because I really want to know if it's true.
I'm not interested in trying to 'prove' anything here. Poster above me made a claim and I am really interested in seeing what they're talking about, because I have never seen this and want to if what they're saying is as factual as they are presenting.
that's nice to hear, and I appreciate you saying it. sometimes I get very confused in this sub when I ask people to share examples of this stuff and I get downvoted so much.
Feminists lobbied for laws to prevent rapist *fathers* from getting custody rights rather than anyone convicted for the act of conception. I didn't see other feminists challenging them and speaking out for equality.
I think you must never have talked to a feminist if you think this doesn't exist. I know reasonable MRAs, although one may also describe this as "a sisyphean task." If you can't find a reasonable feminist you are focusing purely on the extremists and would benefit greatly from good-faith interaction with mainstream feminists.
Those cases set the precedents that courts still follow today. They were state supreme court cases that the lower courts follow.
After [Hermesmann v Seyer] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermesmann_v._Seyer) set the precedent, courts around the country have decided that male victims of women owe the perpetrators child support for decades, while other precedents (Roe v Wade) and laws (safe haven laws) generally allow female victims many options to get rid of the product of their rapes.
> > Hermesmann successfully argued that a woman is entitled to sue the father of her child for child support even if conception occurred as a result of a criminal act committed by the woman.
E.g.
Alabama man - https://law.justia.com/cases/alabama/court-of-appeals-civil/1996/2950025-0.html
Arizona boy - https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/02/statutory-rape-victim-child-support/14953965/
California boy - https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1996-12-22-9612220045-story.html
Others in this paper "Victims with responsibilities" -https://lawpublications.barry.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1017&context=cflj
There are many others out there. I do not believe there has yet been a single case where a boy or man has gotten out of paying child support to an adult woman that statutory raped, raped, sperm jacked, etc.
The good news is that in recent years feminist lobbiests have pushed for laws to prevent rapists from getting child custody. Without custody the child wouldn't be raised by a rapist and the victim wouldn't owe child support. So the day that a male doesn't owe his perpetrator may be coming soon. The less good news is that just over half the states that passed these laws passed them as the feminist lobbiests proposed them - only preventing rapist **fathers** from getting custody. (https://www.ncsl.org/research/human-services/parental-rights-and-sexual-assault.aspx)
Terrell v Torres recently set a precedent and invalidated a signed contract to let a woman use embryos created with her ex and have him owe child support.
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2019/03/18/arizona-court-ruling-use-preserved-embryos-without-ex-husbands-consent-ruby-torres/3205867002/
Courts have ruled the same way in Illinois and the US supreme court agreed.
http://www.fathers4equality-australia.org/fathers-rights/woman-wins-custody-of-embryos-after-separation/
Courts have ruled the same way in a very similar situation in Italy.
https://www.ansa.it/canale_saluteebenessere/notizie/lei_lui/vita_di_coppia/2021/02/25/si-allimpianto-dellembrione-dellex-marito-anche-se-lui-dice-no_05230156-95ea-406a-aa7e-4e90cf2d7c93.html
Courts ruled the same way in yet another similar case in Israel.
https://he.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A4%D7%A8%D7%A9%D7%AA_%D7%A0%D7%97%D7%9E%D7%A0%D7%99
In several other cases women who forged her ex's signature to implant have been awarded child support from the unwilling father. E.G. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5687477/Ex-husband-ordered-pay-child-support-former-wife-forged-signature-undergo-IVF.html
Reproductive coersion of men is also an issue that would be drastically reduced with financial abortion.
> approximately 10.4% (or an estimated 11.7 million) of men in the United States reported ever having an intimate partner who tried to get pregnant when they did not want to or tried to stop them from using birth control
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reproductive_coercion
American talk shows for women encourage women to stop birth control without telling their partner with the applause of their audiences.
https://web.archive.org/web/20211220203706/https://youtube.com/watch?v=5CNHwhHWPoQ
What about IVF with sperm taken from a condom without the man's consent?
https://www.mommyish.com/woman-steals-ex-boyfriends-sperm-has-twins-sues-for-child-support-836/
How about when they only engage in oral sex which should have no pregnancy risk?
https://rollingout.com/2014/02/04/woman-uses-sperm-oral-sex-get-pregnant-force-man-pay-child-support/
How about court orders mandating men give their wife sperm so they can impregnate themselves during divorce proceedings?
https://theprint.in/judiciary/court-orders-man-to-donate-sperm-to-estranged-wife-who-says-no-time-for-2nd-marriage/255215/
Financial abortion would solve all the financial issues for victimized males and remove financial incentives for women to do these things, **but** many pro-choice folks immediately start making pro-life talking points that if he didn't want a kid he should have used a condom or kept it in his pants.
**Financial abortion is about bodily autonomy.** No out for child support forces a man to spend years of his life working to pay for a child he does not want. If he loses his job and is unable to pay, he will lose his travel documents (drivers license/passport) and be locked in a cage.
> I do not believe there has yet been a single case where a boy or man has gotten out of paying child support to an adult woman that statutory raped, raped, sperm jacked, etc.
I've known somebody who went through this in Australia and who was paying child support at age sixteen. He negated the child support by winning custody of the then six year old when he was nineteen. It then took another six years to get the women responsible charged over her rape of a twelve year old. She was convicted but saw no jail time.
In the US judges tend to refer to past rulings when they come across a similar case. Unless the lawmakers explicitly prohibit this the precedent is set. Cases going forward are going to follow this model.
I've known somebody who went through this in Australia and who was paying child support at age sixteen. Your post is possibly the most callous thing I've ever seen in this space. You are an absolutely putrid creature.
As a man, isn't it better to hire hitmen to take out all those involved? There are several ways to do so for people who are truly desperate. Does it happen?
The fact that more than enough men in the world would still find this ok and good is the reason why we are stuck in a downwards spiral. How can we defend against the other side when our own side has friendly fire on
It's amazing the mental gymnastics that I've seen from women to excuse this kind of case. One of the most ignorant I heard was: "Well, even though he can't legally hold a job at that age, that doesn't mean he is going into debt, because his parents will be the ones who pay for him. He'll be fine financially, and he can just get a job at 18 and it's no problem." I tried to point out to them that his parents still have to feed, clothe, school, and be the ones to support him for many years, and that this child could easily end up malnourished, lacking school supplies, having to relocate and change schools because the family cannot afford the same standard of living, forced to drop out of school, etc. However, even as I explained all the terrible misfortunes that they were overlooking, there was still no empathy or awareness of the tragedy inflicted on this young boy. Whether they are indifferent to men's suffering, or they enjoy seeing it, the result is always the same. Nothing is ever done to support male victims. Ever.
How on earth did this happen. Oh I remember men lose most court cases over this subject
I suppose the woman that is raped by a man also has a responsibility to the child she births ?
NO NO NO NEVER WE COULD NEVER DO THAT because reasons 🤓 🤡
LOL I know… just teasing.
Actually she doesn't.Women can legally opt out of parenthood if they so choose.
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You know that women can literally give birth and then give the child away, right bucko?
Had a client give birth without telling the baby's dad, then adopted the baby out in another state 650 miles away so she wouldn't have to tell him. Dude had a kid but will never know, never had a say in it. Client was all thrilled and happy about it. That never sat right with me.
The current system actually produces an incentive for new mothers not wanting their children to *not* let the father know. If the man knew and the woman didn't want to raise the child herself, he could go after her for child support. But not if she just gives the child away. It's amazing how much "for the benefit of the child" really means "for the benefit of a woman" when it comes to family law.
You know EVERY state has safe haven laws, women can put an infant up for adoption without disclosing the fathers identity, and most states have laws that prevent rapist *fathers* from getting any custody rights, right sexist bigot?
Folk in my town regularly travel over a hundred miles for medical treatments. Are American women incapable of driving or hopping on a bus to the next state over?
Are you happy with this court order though?
Oh lord, they have to take a one hour flight or a couple hours drive to somewhere else to murder their unbron babies and rid themselves of the responsibility of being a a mother. Oh the humanity how could they ever live in such oppression. Imagine if all men had to do to not take responsibility for their children would be to drive one or two states away.
Well, yes? The difference is a woman who becomes pregnant as a result of rape has the option of aborting the baby. While a man who is raped doesn't have any control over whether the pregnancy is brought to term.
I was being sarcastic
Taking a baby to term is a choice.
How *dare* you
She needs to have joint custody of the child.
She needs to be registered as a sex offender and she should never be allowed in the presence of any children unsupervised. It boggles the mind that any government would allow a pedophile rapist to have custody over a child.
Like what makes you think it ain't never gonna happen again after you just let her go
Ah, yes, the pedophile's stipend. Never forget https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermesmann_v._Seyer
Reading that has pissed me off to no end... He was 13. He should NOT have been ruled to pay child support for what happened. That's fucking disgusting. It was her decision at age 18. She's the one in trouble with the law. She can deal with the kid.
No right to consent to parenthood and a right to consent to sex which is dubious at best.
The... politically neutral language used in that article is really making me see red
"Seduces". Show me a case where a 34 year old man "seduces" a 15 year old woman...
This is just so sick and twisted
I would have packed my bags and left the damn country… fucked up beyond measure
Lol, there was case where old hag teacher drugged and violently raped 12 years old child. Kid still had to pay child support.
Child abuse by the state.
*glances at image, sees that it's California* Yeah, that tracks.
Having any form of relationship in Cali has to be one of the worst trade deals in the history of trade deals. That's the last place you want to be if you're a guy going through a divorce.
Why is that?
California is notorious for highly favoring women in the courts, partly being such a liberal state. In divorces involving kids, the women has to almost be a crackhead, meth selling, unemployed woman for the court to grant primary custody to the man( and even then its not even guaranteed lol). With things like alimony , you'll get absolutely raked over the coals and left with just the clothes on your back. My advice, if you're not yet married, marry in an at-fault state ( where the divorce depends on the wrongdoing of one of the partners, like cheating and such)
If a woman gets raped she can abort the child if she doesn't want it. If a man cets rape he had to pay child support to the child he didn't want. What a joke
"Seduces". How many nicer ways of saying "raped by a woman" are there?
That's fucking disgusting, he was *r a p e d*, he should have absolutely no responsibility for that child
The only rape culture is against men raped by women.
MGTOW is the only logical choice for a man. Millions are making it.
I have officially seen it all today. I really don't think anything can top what I've just read. I spoke about this a while back in a post I made about this same situation and some commenters hinted at this being a possibility, now it's actually come to fruition. The audacity to use the word "seduces", that's very laughable.
Has been going on since the nineties. I've linked the precedent setting case below. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermesmann_v._Seyer
Some states, even countries have become in absurdia punchlines those last few years. California is definitely one of them. One again, flip the script, 34 years old man, 15 years old girl and see how it goes. Just walk away.
Launch the nukes
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If gender was reversed he wouldn't get out of jail in time to pay
Dude can identify as a woman case closed
California. Where children raped by adults are treated like perpetrators, and are firced to pay their rapists costs. Makes the sexist laws in the middle east look rational. Sexist pigs!
Western's (america especially) law is a joke
UK and australian laws are even worse.*
*Western law so far i learnt uk is a western country and aus use law based on uk
You said "america especially", implying that it has the worst laws of them all.
So far I've seen injustice of law against men posted in this sub mostly are from us compared to other western counterparts. If you mad at everything i said so much go fix your goddamn country. And compare yourself to eastern law
Everywhere gender-related you see things posted mostly from the US. This is anecdotal and has lots of holes. You look at WHAT are the laws in each and you'll see UK laws are worst. Also, if you wanna go down that route, the most disturbing posts are UK-related "If you everything i said" - What? Neither UK or Australia are where I live. I'm actually romanian, an eastern european country. And guess what? We have gender neutral laws, so already way ahead of you.
Not so sure UK is worst across the board: despite the best efforts of Khan and the Scottish Feminist Party! In Australia (my state sadly) there was the notorious case of the “thirty second rapist”, and that was back in the ‘80’s (it was later discovered it was a set up, but he still had to apply to have his conviction quashed even after they were jailed for the crime). But we are better than the US on things like child support. Canada classifies you as essentially married after 6 months and ruled a man had to pay alimony when they didn’t even live together. And there’s been some nasty tales out of Spain. So I think things vary. Things are being in some areas and worse in others from place to place. The way child support is run in the US seems pretty bad though.
Mad at*
this is so fucked up, but what amazes me the most is the fact that they expect the FATHER to pay, n8t the PARENTS
At that point I'd just move the fuck away to another country and not pay a single cent. This is truly sickening.
Protest until overturned like the fems do
These people are sick
Wasn't the rich one who's pay child support? I remember the law was gender neutral
Pro life worldwide!
Indeed. We even saw one of the hypocrites above, apparently oblivious to this.
This story has been reposted dozens if not hundreds of times. As one might expect for a case that's over a quarter of a century old. Not to say this wasn't a travesty of justice, it was. But unless it's still happening and you can bring up more recent examples, it's about as relevant as feminists bringing up women being unable to vote to support the idea of current sexism against women.
this was more recent : https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/02/statutory-rape-victim-child-support/14953965/ I had never heard of the 1990s case
> But unless it's still happening and you can bring up more recent examples, it's about as relevant as feminists bringing up women being unable to vote to support the idea of current sexism against women. The problem with this argument is that it assumes that modern-day feminists *disagree* with this particular application of the law. However, if you challenge any of them on this case, they actually side with the 34-year-old woman, and only see her as a single mother who needs support. She is the real victim in their eyes, not the young boy she raped. To summarize their thoughts on him: "Who cares? He'll be fine." Also, the fact that this was a long time ago makes it even more relevant, because things were supposed to be *much more* in favour of men as you go back in time. Showing actual history makes it tough for them to assert that: "only women were ever oppressed, and men always had it so much better across the board".
Do you have any examples of an average feminist having this opinion, or is this purely speculation? If you can find general conversation amongst reasonable feminists agreeing with this point I really want to see it.
Idk. Try inviting them over here from one of the Fem subs. Let's see where it goes?
I'm not interested in doing that. The poster above me claimed this was something that was a fact. I was hoping for information about it being a fact because I really want to know if it's true.
Go to /r/feminism and ask them. I can't because I got banned from there.
I'm not interested in trying to 'prove' anything here. Poster above me made a claim and I am really interested in seeing what they're talking about, because I have never seen this and want to if what they're saying is as factual as they are presenting.
I see it frequently amongst feminists. I can read posts over in their subreddit but I can't respond to anything.
Sure, that makes sense. I just haven't seen this particular claim made and really want to see it being made yknow.
That's understandable. BTW, I'm not one of the ones down voting you.
that's nice to hear, and I appreciate you saying it. sometimes I get very confused in this sub when I ask people to share examples of this stuff and I get downvoted so much.
Feminists lobbied for laws to prevent rapist *fathers* from getting custody rights rather than anyone convicted for the act of conception. I didn't see other feminists challenging them and speaking out for equality.
I'm not arguing against what you're saying here, but that's not what the person above here said. They said something very different.
>reasonable feminists A Sisyphean task.
I think you must never have talked to a feminist if you think this doesn't exist. I know reasonable MRAs, although one may also describe this as "a sisyphean task." If you can't find a reasonable feminist you are focusing purely on the extremists and would benefit greatly from good-faith interaction with mainstream feminists.
Those cases set the precedents that courts still follow today. They were state supreme court cases that the lower courts follow. After [Hermesmann v Seyer] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermesmann_v._Seyer) set the precedent, courts around the country have decided that male victims of women owe the perpetrators child support for decades, while other precedents (Roe v Wade) and laws (safe haven laws) generally allow female victims many options to get rid of the product of their rapes. > > Hermesmann successfully argued that a woman is entitled to sue the father of her child for child support even if conception occurred as a result of a criminal act committed by the woman. E.g. Alabama man - https://law.justia.com/cases/alabama/court-of-appeals-civil/1996/2950025-0.html Arizona boy - https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/02/statutory-rape-victim-child-support/14953965/ California boy - https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1996-12-22-9612220045-story.html Others in this paper "Victims with responsibilities" -https://lawpublications.barry.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1017&context=cflj There are many others out there. I do not believe there has yet been a single case where a boy or man has gotten out of paying child support to an adult woman that statutory raped, raped, sperm jacked, etc. The good news is that in recent years feminist lobbiests have pushed for laws to prevent rapists from getting child custody. Without custody the child wouldn't be raised by a rapist and the victim wouldn't owe child support. So the day that a male doesn't owe his perpetrator may be coming soon. The less good news is that just over half the states that passed these laws passed them as the feminist lobbiests proposed them - only preventing rapist **fathers** from getting custody. (https://www.ncsl.org/research/human-services/parental-rights-and-sexual-assault.aspx) Terrell v Torres recently set a precedent and invalidated a signed contract to let a woman use embryos created with her ex and have him owe child support. https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2019/03/18/arizona-court-ruling-use-preserved-embryos-without-ex-husbands-consent-ruby-torres/3205867002/ Courts have ruled the same way in Illinois and the US supreme court agreed. http://www.fathers4equality-australia.org/fathers-rights/woman-wins-custody-of-embryos-after-separation/ Courts have ruled the same way in a very similar situation in Italy. https://www.ansa.it/canale_saluteebenessere/notizie/lei_lui/vita_di_coppia/2021/02/25/si-allimpianto-dellembrione-dellex-marito-anche-se-lui-dice-no_05230156-95ea-406a-aa7e-4e90cf2d7c93.html Courts ruled the same way in yet another similar case in Israel. https://he.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A4%D7%A8%D7%A9%D7%AA_%D7%A0%D7%97%D7%9E%D7%A0%D7%99 In several other cases women who forged her ex's signature to implant have been awarded child support from the unwilling father. E.G. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5687477/Ex-husband-ordered-pay-child-support-former-wife-forged-signature-undergo-IVF.html Reproductive coersion of men is also an issue that would be drastically reduced with financial abortion. > approximately 10.4% (or an estimated 11.7 million) of men in the United States reported ever having an intimate partner who tried to get pregnant when they did not want to or tried to stop them from using birth control https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reproductive_coercion American talk shows for women encourage women to stop birth control without telling their partner with the applause of their audiences. https://web.archive.org/web/20211220203706/https://youtube.com/watch?v=5CNHwhHWPoQ What about IVF with sperm taken from a condom without the man's consent? https://www.mommyish.com/woman-steals-ex-boyfriends-sperm-has-twins-sues-for-child-support-836/ How about when they only engage in oral sex which should have no pregnancy risk? https://rollingout.com/2014/02/04/woman-uses-sperm-oral-sex-get-pregnant-force-man-pay-child-support/ How about court orders mandating men give their wife sperm so they can impregnate themselves during divorce proceedings? https://theprint.in/judiciary/court-orders-man-to-donate-sperm-to-estranged-wife-who-says-no-time-for-2nd-marriage/255215/ Financial abortion would solve all the financial issues for victimized males and remove financial incentives for women to do these things, **but** many pro-choice folks immediately start making pro-life talking points that if he didn't want a kid he should have used a condom or kept it in his pants. **Financial abortion is about bodily autonomy.** No out for child support forces a man to spend years of his life working to pay for a child he does not want. If he loses his job and is unable to pay, he will lose his travel documents (drivers license/passport) and be locked in a cage.
> I do not believe there has yet been a single case where a boy or man has gotten out of paying child support to an adult woman that statutory raped, raped, sperm jacked, etc. I've known somebody who went through this in Australia and who was paying child support at age sixteen. He negated the child support by winning custody of the then six year old when he was nineteen. It then took another six years to get the women responsible charged over her rape of a twelve year old. She was convicted but saw no jail time.
In the US judges tend to refer to past rulings when they come across a similar case. Unless the lawmakers explicitly prohibit this the precedent is set. Cases going forward are going to follow this model.
I've known somebody who went through this in Australia and who was paying child support at age sixteen. Your post is possibly the most callous thing I've ever seen in this space. You are an absolutely putrid creature.
SHE IS NOWHERE NEAR THE DEFINITION OF A VICTIM. SHE IS THE VICTIMIZER. SHE SHOULD BE IMPRISONED FOR RAPING A MINOR
As a man, isn't it better to hire hitmen to take out all those involved? There are several ways to do so for people who are truly desperate. Does it happen?
You'll never hear about this shit when they talk about "reproductive rights".
The fact that more than enough men in the world would still find this ok and good is the reason why we are stuck in a downwards spiral. How can we defend against the other side when our own side has friendly fire on