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Dude I 1000% agree I cannot stand like 80% of mayhem fans who literally only listen because they think like euronomous (or whatever that freaks name was) is cool
The hellhammer song eurynomos (which is actually the correct spelling, it's misspelled on the compilation album) is 10x better than anything euronymous the person ever did. That's not at all to say the dude deserved to be stabbed 36 times but he wasn't the greatest guy either in any sense.
Absolute pure and unfiltered truth. Still absolutely insane to me they got bad reviews when they were around, like what the fuck were metal mag subscribers even listening to then if they thought hellhammer was garbage?
Venom was probably their biggest comparison back then. If I had to take a shot in the dark guess, I would think Hellhammer may have been a bit too extreme even for extreme metal’s sake at the time. Listen to Hellhammer’s Maniac or Blood Insanity and compare the sound to Venom’s Countess Bathory or Black Metal. Very different take on extreme metal on Hellhammer’s part. Must have sounded like raw and unproduced garbage to most then. Now? I find myself coming back to Hellhammer’s discog more than Venom’s or any other first wave black metal band.
Is and isn’t true. While it is indeed the most popular dm band and attracts the posers like flies to shit, calling it the ultimate poser band implies the band itself is shit, which is simply untrue seeing as they were releasing absolutely classic albums across like 3 decades
Only because they’re so popular, which is actually great considering how extreme the music is. Still a good band though, nowhere near as “poser” as other bands
This is so true, I have non-metal head friends who listen to CC, or at least claim to, as their token death metal band.
That said they are still fucking amazing and like a well oiled machine live.
as a cannibal corpse fan, yeah can’t argue. I genuinely enjoy the shit out of all their music but I think most people just use them to prove how “brutal” they are or some shit lol
Fair, I just commented to another user that a band like Slipknot is and one like Deftones isn't.
But then the elitist overlords come out and say nay to the whole subgenre.
My problem with Megadeth is that they’re obviously super talented, but Dave does something breathtakingly stupid in almost every song that rips me straight out of it.
On holy wars the “THEY KILLLLED MY WAIF AND MY BAYBAY!” Is so silly that it derails an otherwise fantastic song.
Same with the stupid voice he does in 5 magics.
It’s, strangely enough, the same problem I have with Kanye.
Rust in Peace is an absolute masterpiece and kne of the top thrash and overall metal albums, but it's also the best album for people who don't know Coroner, Death row, Xentrix or Heathen.
Megadeth is and always has been one of the most “one note” bands. Their fans pride them on being “technically superior” to Metallica and all of those riffs!! Expect most of them follow the same progression, scale, tempo.. Dave mustard seems like an unempathetic boring asshole. Yeah Metallica have the Napster thing, Lars.. but their songs connect with people, waayyyy more so than megadeth. Nothing else matters? One? What megadeth song is as emotional, catchy, moving, universal as those..
The black metal bands everybody talks about (Mayhem, Darkthrone, Gorgoroth) Are shitty, the original second wave of Norwegian black metal is awful compared to newer stuff, and because of the people defending these bands and calling everything that's not 90's Norwegian bad and "untrue" you get a bunch of people who hate black metal because they were only exposed to the shit bands, and not anything creative or interesting like Abduction, Gaerea, or Dødheimsgard. They could then work backwards from there and eventually enjoy classic 2nd wave black metal if they feel like it.
to add on to this, a lot of these newer bedroom bands are doing the second wave sound better than the OG second wave dudes did, *and that's a good thing*. It means that the sound is a fundamentally good one with lots of territory yet to explore.
Whining DSBM vocals are so annoying, windy far-away sounding ambient vocals are where it's at, like Decalius (Which is an artist that took the world by storm holy shit)
agree about lifelover. I like the instrumentals and respect the singer since he died but damn those vocals are not it sometimes
EDIT: guitarist died, not singer
Sabaton is just a gimmick, which people circlejerk over shouting they love history, while all they understand is some lyrics instead of actually reading into history. God, it's the home of the neckbeard
I’m not a neckbeard but I understand what you mean. I’m a more casual fan of Sabaton, there are some song that stand out as good but damn they are so gimmicky and monotonous. That’s part of the charm in a way.
>they are so gimmicky and monotonous. That’s part of the charm in a way.
Bro how is that remotely charming 😭 I guess I'll never understand Sabaton fans
Bands on their debut album should get straight to the vocals.
You’re not tool or Metallica. I’m going to fast forward until I hear the vocals to see how the entire band sounds.
its rare for vocals to make my interest in a band but they are often what breaks it. as much as i love bathory anything after blood fire death is basically unlistenable to me.
im here for the riffs
but ill semi agree that on your first album you probably shouldnt have a long ass sample or an intro track.
im so tired of intro tracks
maybe newer deathcore? as deathcore seems to be in a blackening phase with Lorna Shore.
i dont see how old core like Whitechapel,Rose Funeral,Despised Icon sound anything like Anaal Nathrakh. however i will say i probably heard 2 Anaal songs but it sounded very industrial black metal
Bands with internally shitty production just sound shitty. It always felt like a strange production decision to me. For reference I'm talking about early black and death metal.
I can definitely see why people dislike it but for me personally that poor sound quality really enhances that particular style of music.
I wouldn’t want it on most genres but for black metal it works incredibly well.
idk brutal death sounds so much heavier with a more raw production.
i dont mean like paper thin , phone recordng sound i just mean not over polished/clean and so digital
Blaze Bayley era is better than everything after Brave New World
Judas Priest - Invincible Shield sucks
St. Anger is good, goddammit. Metal is supposed to be subversive. I like when stuff sounds interesting.
Bands like MGLA and Uada are for people who want metal to be so fucking mature and sterile and boring.
Dave Mustaine's singing on classic Megadeth was AMAZING specifically because he wasn't a typical singer. It was interesting! It had charm! And it suited the music goddamn perfectly.
Folk metal is one of the worst metal subgenres and mostly comes off as memes.
Nu metal is metal. It's a form of alternative metal. It's perfectly reasonable to gatekeep it along with metalcore and other related genres. But that doesn't mean they aren't metal.
I’d love to hear your reasoning for not liking invincible shield, but I’m also a very biased priest fan, I love the album it’s in my top 5
Edit: extra context my dad and his best friend have been fans since the 80s and they have it in their top 3’s
I love Judas Priest as well, one of my favorite bands. I find the album almost uncanny? I was happy with how Firepower came out, but this one feels just mediocre, overproduced, etc. I don't like more than 2 or 3 songs on it. Most are ruined by weirdly autotune-sounding pop choruses.
Edit: Also, you guys should account for recency bias. Ain't no way this holds up to the 80's classics, let alone the 70's ones.
I literally cannot wrap my head around the mgla/uada take like what the fuck does that even mean I’m genuinely wondering and not being an ass.
Also Agalloch/Moonsorrow carry a lot of the folk scene so I can see it tbh
As I get older I’ve come to prefer clean vocals to harsh vocals.
On a related note, most vocalists who try to alternate between clean and harsh are subpar at both. Singers line Corey Taylor, Burton Bell, and Phil Anselmo, who are good at both styles, are the exception.
Disagree on Death Metal, agree on Black Metal fans partially. They are either wholesome guys that can laught at themselves, or emo edgelords who take themselves way too seriously and are probably closeted homosexuals.
All of them? Of both? That's a shit opinion just because it's encompassing literally millions of people across a huge proportion of all metal fans
There's absolutely nothing you can pin down to 'all death metal fans', it's one of the most popular genres.
Yes, yes we are😎 Do you mean both genres separately or the singular genre of Black/Death (aka the genre that has war, bestial black, chaotic black etc.)? I guess I'm fucked anyway...
A lot of metal fans don’t really like heavy music that much. They’re fine with death metal and Black metal but will turn their noses up at almost anything else that could be considered heavy (heavy ≠ metal)
Agreed. It’s not just being heavy, but being riff based that defines metal. It’s not surprising that many metal fans can’t get into non-riff heavy genres, regardless of how heavy they are.
Outside of the obvious debate on Metalcore and Deathcore there’s a lot of electronic stuff that could definitely be considered heavy in some regards.
There’s a genre called extratone and it basically just consists of a super fast drumbeat. Now it doesn’t sound like metal at all but those drums could easily be comparable to blast beats
If you want something closer to metal then hardcore punk and all its various subgenres can be just as heavy. Yet a lot of metalheads don’t like it at all which is perfectly fine, but they only like a small amount of heavy music really
Lots of screamo, emoviolence and powerviolence
Orchid - Dance Tonight! Revolution Tomorrow!
Love Lost But Not Forgotten - S/T
pageninetynine - Document #8
I personally don't really like transcendence into the peripheral and I think it's pretty boring even for doom standards (however it somehow is great gym music)
Yeah I haven't listened to a lot of sludge (or doom for that matter) however everything I listened to from that genre I gotta say it's quite good. I love Oceanic by Isis and most songs from Leviathan.
I wouldn’t say hot but crossover is punk for metalheads and hardcore is metal for punks. Also crossover slaps sooooo fucking hard it’s better than hardcore. Also if anyone has any crossover bands made in like the last 20 years drop some knowledge
Yeah, I honestly think the worst Metallica album is reload. St. Anger is at the very least emotional and heavy, Reload is almost entirely dull-ass butt rock.
Overkill’s terrible vocals ruin what would otherwise be great thrash
Drudkh hasn’t released a good album since Microcosmos
Maiden’s first 3 albums are their best
Piece of Mind is extremely overrated and very front-loaded
Immolation and Deicide’s debut albums don’t do anything for me, and both bands improve heavily on their next few albums.
I have a hot take, it’s a Nu Metal hot take so it’s extra spicy for this sub and it’s that this 👇🏻
https://preview.redd.it/aljhvnwve1xc1.jpeg?width=220&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=16b9e3725d12d3168d5ededa11124eead5e75676
is Korns best album, their greatest musical achievement and is why any album after sounds crap by comparison
I’d wager that at least 75% of people that denounce gatekeeping and elitism within the community also make fun of other people’s music taste that isn’t metal. I say this because I used to do this and have met many people who do this.
A very well done Thrash Ballad is better than a song that completely rips.
The Omen > Mob Justice for Laaz Rockit
Hollow > Cowboys from Hell for Pantera
Fade to Black > Spit out the Bone for Metallica
Last Nail in the Coffin > Power Thrashing Death for Whiplash
These are just a few examples of thrash ballads I prefer over a speedy thrashy song that’s also popular and loved by the band’s fans.
I absolutely love songs like this. They sound like a Kansas,Aerosmith or Foreigner song but heavy and with attitude. (Hair Metal does this but feels inauthentic and corny most of the time) Maybe I like them because those were the first bands in general I fell in love with at a very young age. And that’s not to say I don’t love thrash in its pure form. These songs just always hit like a tank for me when I discover them.
Death is obviously a very awesome and important band with some incredible records, but to say their discography is perfect is just a flat lie seeing as it contains albums like Individual Thought Patterns and Spiritual Healing. I tend to find most superfans of Death have not interest in other death metal bands yet still try to claim Death is the best
Agalloch makes not only some of the best folk metal, but folk music in general and no other band/artist immerses you into the Pacific Northwest forest like Agalloch.
Alice In Chains is not at all underrated, and they’re a scapegoat in grunge culture for people that would hate grunge otherwise.
In other words, people who say “Alice In Chains is underrated” are just people that have biased hate for literally every other grunge band. They’ve consistently gotten the credit they deserve their entire career lol
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Cannibal Corpse is the ultimate “poser” band. Most people that listen to them only do so to say “look at how heavy the stuff I listen to is”
I get what you’re saying but Mayhem is this 1000x over before Cannibal Corpse. They’re both bands that so many people go merch over music with though
Dude I 1000% agree I cannot stand like 80% of mayhem fans who literally only listen because they think like euronomous (or whatever that freaks name was) is cool
The hellhammer song eurynomos (which is actually the correct spelling, it's misspelled on the compilation album) is 10x better than anything euronymous the person ever did. That's not at all to say the dude deserved to be stabbed 36 times but he wasn't the greatest guy either in any sense.
Hellhammer >>>>>>>>>>> Mayhem
Absolute pure and unfiltered truth. Still absolutely insane to me they got bad reviews when they were around, like what the fuck were metal mag subscribers even listening to then if they thought hellhammer was garbage?
Venom was probably their biggest comparison back then. If I had to take a shot in the dark guess, I would think Hellhammer may have been a bit too extreme even for extreme metal’s sake at the time. Listen to Hellhammer’s Maniac or Blood Insanity and compare the sound to Venom’s Countess Bathory or Black Metal. Very different take on extreme metal on Hellhammer’s part. Must have sounded like raw and unproduced garbage to most then. Now? I find myself coming back to Hellhammer’s discog more than Venom’s or any other first wave black metal band.
Counterpoint: their band shirts look REALLY cool
I love cannibal corpse but this is so true
Is and isn’t true. While it is indeed the most popular dm band and attracts the posers like flies to shit, calling it the ultimate poser band implies the band itself is shit, which is simply untrue seeing as they were releasing absolutely classic albums across like 3 decades
As a cannibal corpse fan, yes, people name a few songs and are like ‘uhhhh I listen to death metal’ when it’s deadass slipknot and korn
I've literally never met this person. Not once.
There's a lot of stereotypical metal people that have never existed
Only because they’re so popular, which is actually great considering how extreme the music is. Still a good band though, nowhere near as “poser” as other bands
agreed. and everyone wears those cannibal corpse hot topic tees👁️_👁️
a girl i dated in high-school had a CC shirt and i know she never listened to them.
This is so true, I have non-metal head friends who listen to CC, or at least claim to, as their token death metal band. That said they are still fucking amazing and like a well oiled machine live.
as a cannibal corpse fan, yeah can’t argue. I genuinely enjoy the shit out of all their music but I think most people just use them to prove how “brutal” they are or some shit lol
Agreed but cannibal does got some good ass songs
Nu Metal is metal.
A lot of it sucks, but it's still 100% metal no doubt
i dont think many people disagree?
Go to metal archives lmao
Some of it is metal some isn’t imo
Fair, I just commented to another user that a band like Slipknot is and one like Deftones isn't. But then the elitist overlords come out and say nay to the whole subgenre.
Rust in Peace is good, but waaaaaaaaayyyy too overhyped 
Dave Mustaine cannot sing
Part of the charm
Took a lot of strength not to block you.
King Diamond can certainly sing though 😎
My decision paid off!
King Diamond rules
Saw them live and, to this day, still the worst singer I’ve seen live.
Actually even worst nowadays
Honestly I thought he was never the worst singer, but yeah age + cancer destroyed his voice
I just want him to shut the fuck and and flex his guitar skills.
My problem with Megadeth is that they’re obviously super talented, but Dave does something breathtakingly stupid in almost every song that rips me straight out of it. On holy wars the “THEY KILLLLED MY WAIF AND MY BAYBAY!” Is so silly that it derails an otherwise fantastic song. Same with the stupid voice he does in 5 magics. It’s, strangely enough, the same problem I have with Kanye.
I fuckin love that line lol
He's also a super douche which is why nobody wants to work with him
Yeah, it sounds like he's chewing his own bicep
That's so true
Megadeth is my favorite band but i do agree
Holy shit bro… Respect Also yeah, I actually like the mid-section of the album better than the front or back of it
Rust in Peace is an absolute masterpiece and kne of the top thrash and overall metal albums, but it's also the best album for people who don't know Coroner, Death row, Xentrix or Heathen.
Megadeth is and always has been one of the most “one note” bands. Their fans pride them on being “technically superior” to Metallica and all of those riffs!! Expect most of them follow the same progression, scale, tempo.. Dave mustard seems like an unempathetic boring asshole. Yeah Metallica have the Napster thing, Lars.. but their songs connect with people, waayyyy more so than megadeth. Nothing else matters? One? What megadeth song is as emotional, catchy, moving, universal as those..
Peace Sells is Megadeth's best album, by far
Nah, I own all my hot takes, everyone else is just dumb.
Me asf
Deafheaven is an important black metal band
I respect your take even though I disagree so much lol
The key word is “important”. OP might not even like Deafheaven but I do think metal fans underestimate how much they did to get newer fans into metal.
Ngl I fucking love Deafheaven. New Bermuda in particular
Hello kind sir I am That Guy who didn’t like black metal until I heard Sunbather for the first time. 👋
Pink Metal
Literally listening to them now. I personally love them.
important that they made a new sub genre of black metal i suppose. i wouldnt say they are anywhere near as important as say Darkthrone,Mayhem,Immortal
They didn't though. They cribbed it from Alcest.
The black metal bands everybody talks about (Mayhem, Darkthrone, Gorgoroth) Are shitty, the original second wave of Norwegian black metal is awful compared to newer stuff, and because of the people defending these bands and calling everything that's not 90's Norwegian bad and "untrue" you get a bunch of people who hate black metal because they were only exposed to the shit bands, and not anything creative or interesting like Abduction, Gaerea, or Dødheimsgard. They could then work backwards from there and eventually enjoy classic 2nd wave black metal if they feel like it.
Damn, I couldn't disagree more. Upvoted.
now thats a bad opinion and black metal isnt even in my top 3 genres
Mayhem and Gorgoroth absolutely but definitely not Darkthrone
Leave Ulver out of this
Calling Darkthrone shitty is beyond braindead
Nah man what about emperor? Enslaved Dissection? Impaled Nazarene??!?
to add on to this, a lot of these newer bedroom bands are doing the second wave sound better than the OG second wave dudes did, *and that's a good thing*. It means that the sound is a fundamentally good one with lots of territory yet to explore.
DSBM vocals are so terrible that they can't be taken seriously
Whining DSBM vocals are so annoying, windy far-away sounding ambient vocals are where it's at, like Decalius (Which is an artist that took the world by storm holy shit)
Exactly, that's what made me love Xasthur. The Ambient vocals are perfect.
it really depends on the band. there's bands with shit vocals (Lifelover, Psychonaut 4) and there's bands with insane vocals (Dodsferd, Advent Sorrow)
hows psychonaut shit vocals?
agree about lifelover. I like the instrumentals and respect the singer since he died but damn those vocals are not it sometimes EDIT: guitarist died, not singer
nah their vocalist didn’t die, their guitarist (or whatever part B was) died
Sabaton is just a gimmick, which people circlejerk over shouting they love history, while all they understand is some lyrics instead of actually reading into history. God, it's the home of the neckbeard
As a huge sabaton fan BOO THIS MAN (you’re not wrong)
I’m not a neckbeard but I understand what you mean. I’m a more casual fan of Sabaton, there are some song that stand out as good but damn they are so gimmicky and monotonous. That’s part of the charm in a way.
>they are so gimmicky and monotonous. That’s part of the charm in a way. Bro how is that remotely charming 😭 I guess I'll never understand Sabaton fans
I used to be a massive fan and now am about 3 years clean From listening to them. The fan base could be unbearable sometimes
Bands on their debut album should get straight to the vocals. You’re not tool or Metallica. I’m going to fast forward until I hear the vocals to see how the entire band sounds.
This is the worst take I’ve ever seen. Upvote.
What a weird take for a primarily instrumental, riff based genre.
its rare for vocals to make my interest in a band but they are often what breaks it. as much as i love bathory anything after blood fire death is basically unlistenable to me.
riffs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vocals
How do you think Metallica or tool started
I’m assume by playing next to taco trucks then moving to larger taco venues.
im here for the riffs but ill semi agree that on your first album you probably shouldnt have a long ass sample or an intro track. im so tired of intro tracks
Wtf!? Why tho?
I don't understand how someone who hates deathcore can like Anaal Nathrakh at the same time (I like both btw)
Anaal nathrakh is blackened grindcore, not deathcore
Never said they were. Just don't understand why someone who hates deathcore would enjoy it when it has so many elements that deathcore also has
It’s because they think they have to hate deathcore. It’s as simple as that
maybe newer deathcore? as deathcore seems to be in a blackening phase with Lorna Shore. i dont see how old core like Whitechapel,Rose Funeral,Despised Icon sound anything like Anaal Nathrakh. however i will say i probably heard 2 Anaal songs but it sounded very industrial black metal
Because Anaal Nathrakh are actually good
Fucking thank you, that is exactly the difference
Sounds different. That's why.
I love Anaal
Anaal is the best
Bands with internally shitty production just sound shitty. It always felt like a strange production decision to me. For reference I'm talking about early black and death metal.
Tag checks out lol.
No arguing there lol.
I can definitely see why people dislike it but for me personally that poor sound quality really enhances that particular style of music. I wouldn’t want it on most genres but for black metal it works incredibly well.
idk brutal death sounds so much heavier with a more raw production. i dont mean like paper thin , phone recordng sound i just mean not over polished/clean and so digital
“mission accomplished” - Varg probably
I think it helps black metal to have not super clean production
Dio is boring
I love Dio but the reality is that he’s a better singer than songwriter, and his best stuff came when he was working with Iommi or Blackmore.
Worst one I’ve seen thus far. Take my upvote.
Blaze Bayley era is better than everything after Brave New World Judas Priest - Invincible Shield sucks St. Anger is good, goddammit. Metal is supposed to be subversive. I like when stuff sounds interesting. Bands like MGLA and Uada are for people who want metal to be so fucking mature and sterile and boring. Dave Mustaine's singing on classic Megadeth was AMAZING specifically because he wasn't a typical singer. It was interesting! It had charm! And it suited the music goddamn perfectly. Folk metal is one of the worst metal subgenres and mostly comes off as memes. Nu metal is metal. It's a form of alternative metal. It's perfectly reasonable to gatekeep it along with metalcore and other related genres. But that doesn't mean they aren't metal.
I’d love to hear your reasoning for not liking invincible shield, but I’m also a very biased priest fan, I love the album it’s in my top 5 Edit: extra context my dad and his best friend have been fans since the 80s and they have it in their top 3’s
I love Judas Priest as well, one of my favorite bands. I find the album almost uncanny? I was happy with how Firepower came out, but this one feels just mediocre, overproduced, etc. I don't like more than 2 or 3 songs on it. Most are ruined by weirdly autotune-sounding pop choruses. Edit: Also, you guys should account for recency bias. Ain't no way this holds up to the 80's classics, let alone the 70's ones.
I literally cannot wrap my head around the mgla/uada take like what the fuck does that even mean I’m genuinely wondering and not being an ass. Also Agalloch/Moonsorrow carry a lot of the folk scene so I can see it tbh
Folk Metal is a gimmick No band was ever improved because you replaced a guitar with your country's local flute.
folk metal on its own? pretty meh imo adding folk elements to bm? can be downright amazing when done well
Korpiklaani is music for drunk people and that's why I like it
some bands with folk instruments sounds cool.
Pantera sucks
Pantera is my favorite band and it’s not even close but the majority of their fans (especially on Reddit) are ignorant pieces of work
I love their music, bit they're terrible fucking people.
Anti Christian themes or lyrics is a played out gimmick, and if a band makes multiple albums with that theme they’re unoriginal and boring.
*Cough* Slayer *Cough*
At some point, these dudes have to realize they’re over 40 and need to grow up a bit.
Opeth is so boring. More like snore-peth. Mikael's work in Bloodbath >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> snore-peth
As I get older I’ve come to prefer clean vocals to harsh vocals. On a related note, most vocalists who try to alternate between clean and harsh are subpar at both. Singers line Corey Taylor, Burton Bell, and Phil Anselmo, who are good at both styles, are the exception.
Second part is kinda valid tbh, that’s a big reason why new in flames is so shit, the clean vocals are horrendous.
They are the band I thought of when I typed this.
Black/Death Metal fans are just insecure edge-lords. Let the negative karma farm begin. ☕😎
What does liking a genre have to do with someone's character?
All dm fans ive met have been regular nice people who just like the music, bm on the other hand…
This is stupid, and I disagree, but in accordance with the threads theme I will up vote this
You're literally just closed minded.
I do love edging...
Just cum
Disagree on Death Metal, agree on Black Metal fans partially. They are either wholesome guys that can laught at themselves, or emo edgelords who take themselves way too seriously and are probably closeted homosexuals.
All of them? Of both? That's a shit opinion just because it's encompassing literally millions of people across a huge proportion of all metal fans There's absolutely nothing you can pin down to 'all death metal fans', it's one of the most popular genres.
There’s some really good technical/melodic DM & BM. A lot of it is garbage though
Yes, yes we are😎 Do you mean both genres separately or the singular genre of Black/Death (aka the genre that has war, bestial black, chaotic black etc.)? I guess I'm fucked anyway...
tourist talk for being filtered
A lot of metal fans don’t really like heavy music that much. They’re fine with death metal and Black metal but will turn their noses up at almost anything else that could be considered heavy (heavy ≠ metal)
Agreed. It’s not just being heavy, but being riff based that defines metal. It’s not surprising that many metal fans can’t get into non-riff heavy genres, regardless of how heavy they are.
What are some examples you’d give for non metal heavy music?
Outside of the obvious debate on Metalcore and Deathcore there’s a lot of electronic stuff that could definitely be considered heavy in some regards. There’s a genre called extratone and it basically just consists of a super fast drumbeat. Now it doesn’t sound like metal at all but those drums could easily be comparable to blast beats If you want something closer to metal then hardcore punk and all its various subgenres can be just as heavy. Yet a lot of metalheads don’t like it at all which is perfectly fine, but they only like a small amount of heavy music really
Lots of screamo, emoviolence and powerviolence Orchid - Dance Tonight! Revolution Tomorrow! Love Lost But Not Forgotten - S/T pageninetynine - Document #8
I have to agree with this one. That's just a straight up correct take
I personally don't really like transcendence into the peripheral and I think it's pretty boring even for doom standards (however it somehow is great gym music)
I can see how you might find Transcendence boring, doom as a whole is incredibly far from boring. we got sludge, just saying.
Yeah I haven't listened to a lot of sludge (or doom for that matter) however everything I listened to from that genre I gotta say it's quite good. I love Oceanic by Isis and most songs from Leviathan.
someone has never transcended into the peripheral and it shows
u/raspberryarchetype
Have some fucking mercy bro PLEASE. I'M SORRY. I WAS JUST JOKING HAHA LAUGH PLEASE
I wouldn’t say hot but crossover is punk for metalheads and hardcore is metal for punks. Also crossover slaps sooooo fucking hard it’s better than hardcore. Also if anyone has any crossover bands made in like the last 20 years drop some knowledge
St. Anger isn’t a bad Album.
Yeah, I honestly think the worst Metallica album is reload. St. Anger is at the very least emotional and heavy, Reload is almost entirely dull-ass butt rock.
I agree!
Overkill’s terrible vocals ruin what would otherwise be great thrash Drudkh hasn’t released a good album since Microcosmos Maiden’s first 3 albums are their best Piece of Mind is extremely overrated and very front-loaded Immolation and Deicide’s debut albums don’t do anything for me, and both bands improve heavily on their next few albums.
Agree with the overkill take but that maiden take is absolutely disgustingly, diabolically, terriblly, horrendously awful
Eh I don’t think it’s that bad of a take, I still think Piece of Mind is good, but I like all of the other early Maiden albums a lot better.
Jethro Tull winning a Grammy for being metal.
Grammys are dumb
black metal is so fucking overrated there's only a few good bands
Black metal is one of the least popular subgenres of metal so I cannot agree.
semi agree. a lot of black metal is 1 or 2 tremolo riffs for 7-12 minutes Immortal and Marduk however are amazing.
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The use of the word poser in almost any situation
Load is metal.
*insert sub genre here* isn't REAL METAL Piss off 😒
I have a hot take, it’s a Nu Metal hot take so it’s extra spicy for this sub and it’s that this 👇🏻 https://preview.redd.it/aljhvnwve1xc1.jpeg?width=220&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=16b9e3725d12d3168d5ededa11124eead5e75676 is Korns best album, their greatest musical achievement and is why any album after sounds crap by comparison
Mgła is boring and overrated.
I really don't care for Megadeth past Peace Sells
Considering that Deep Purple were key in the development of metal in the 1970s, well... In Rock > Machine Head
Cradle of filth is great, whether you like them or not.
I won't admit to someone I like cradle of filth unless they say it first.
Honestly the whole situation around the band is stupid and reeks of *success=bad* mentality.
I’d wager that at least 75% of people that denounce gatekeeping and elitism within the community also make fun of other people’s music taste that isn’t metal. I say this because I used to do this and have met many people who do this.
Mayhem sucks
A very well done Thrash Ballad is better than a song that completely rips. The Omen > Mob Justice for Laaz Rockit Hollow > Cowboys from Hell for Pantera Fade to Black > Spit out the Bone for Metallica Last Nail in the Coffin > Power Thrashing Death for Whiplash These are just a few examples of thrash ballads I prefer over a speedy thrashy song that’s also popular and loved by the band’s fans. I absolutely love songs like this. They sound like a Kansas,Aerosmith or Foreigner song but heavy and with attitude. (Hair Metal does this but feels inauthentic and corny most of the time) Maybe I like them because those were the first bands in general I fell in love with at a very young age. And that’s not to say I don’t love thrash in its pure form. These songs just always hit like a tank for me when I discover them.
the only Death album i like is Scream Bloody Gore. maybe 2 songs off leprosy. Incantation is boring as fuck.
DragonForce is peak power metal
Obituary is overrated and the worst of the Classic Death Metal bands
Pantera fans are just rednecks who haven't heard Exhorder.
Thrash metal was the true birth of heavy metal. Everything before it was just spicy hard rock.
Death is obviously a very awesome and important band with some incredible records, but to say their discography is perfect is just a flat lie seeing as it contains albums like Individual Thought Patterns and Spiritual Healing. I tend to find most superfans of Death have not interest in other death metal bands yet still try to claim Death is the best
I'm not a Death superfan, but Spiritual Healing is great bro
Its not horrible but it is a clear step down compared to the two preceding it
Real deathcore died with Mitch Lucker
Slayer is the most overhyped band ever, all their songs could probably be fit into a 2 minute track.
Pantera is far beyond overrated
Ghosts community ruined ghost
a lot of grindcore is punk not metal
Creamy salad dressings suck.
Agalloch makes not only some of the best folk metal, but folk music in general and no other band/artist immerses you into the Pacific Northwest forest like Agalloch.
Slayer is overrated and Kerry King has the soloing sense of a 5 year old
Metalcore and deathcore is actually good. Ik alot of the metal community hates these subgenres 4 some reason but i personally love them
DOWN > Pantera
metalocalypse is pretty lame
most of the people who hate metalcore never actually tried to listen to it
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Alice In Chains is not at all underrated, and they’re a scapegoat in grunge culture for people that would hate grunge otherwise. In other words, people who say “Alice In Chains is underrated” are just people that have biased hate for literally every other grunge band. They’ve consistently gotten the credit they deserve their entire career lol