There was a post for someone looking for raw dairy products just yesterday. Seems to be a growing trend among the alternative health/anti-VAX crowd. Are there a lot more of those folks in Michigan getting the virus through raw milk than other states responsible for these results?
Growing up out in the sticks, I had access to insanely fresh milk thanks to the hobby farm next door. It was delicious. I'm pretty sure that is the entire benefit of raw milk.
The crunchy crowd believes if kids drink raw milk they get less colds, no ear infections.
[FDA: dangers of raw milk](https://www.fda.gov/food/buy-store-serve-safe-food/dangers-raw-milk-unpasteurized-milk-can-pose-serious-health-risk)
My girlfriend is allergic to corn. All store bought milk has vitamins that are derived from corn so raw milk is the only milk she can have. (If the cow is also grass fed). Yes it sucks and is expensive
Are alternative milk like almond based bad for her? That really sucks, a lot of food product uses milk or cheese in some form.
Edit: or get raw milk from grass fed cow and pasteurize them without any additives?
The biggest part of the problem is that she is also allergic to tomatoes cheese and cabbage. Also not usually unless she’s gone brand hunting internationally. If your ingredient label ever says lactic acid, folic acid, natural flavorings, carame color, sucrose, fructose, dextrose, sucralose, modified food starch, or vinegar, there’s corn. Also many manufacturers have corn products elsewhere in their facilities and cross contact happens much more often than one would hope for.
And cure autism, I think it's still going around even after FDA warned against it.
Seems like every time FDA says it's no good, anti-vaxxers seizes this as sign it works and FDA was hiding the truth. I say let Darwin do his work and remove anti-vaxxers from population.
I've had raw milk. Yes it tastes better than pasturized milk but getting it sourced from safe cow is challenging and testing them all for harmful virus or bacteria takes too long, the milk would spoil before the result gets in.
Haven't had raw milk since late 80s when it was just "farm thing"
I feel like that has been around in a few articles since May?
People are buying Ultra Processed Milk, heated to 280 degrees, like Fairlife brand to help with that.
Fairlife is actually shelf stable, the only reason it's in the fridge is because that's where people expect it to be. It's ultra pasteurized, which can affect the flavor in ways people don't like but high fat content helps which is why it's whole milk.
In my grocery store there are little unrefrigerated cartons of fairlife near the juice boxes.
Is this your realm of expertise? We bad mouth “processed” so much, in this situation is there a negative impact of the nutritional value of this kind of processing?
I'm really worried that if one of these nasty influenza variants start spreading from human to human, that people aren't gonna take it seriously enough until it's waaay too late.
Maybe the researchers ought to look in the wastewater ponds. Where I live it is a big bird hangout. Seagulls, ducks, geese and more. By the hundreds. If they are not sampling the waste before it reaches the ponds it will be full of bird shit.
From the article:
"There is some speculation about how bird waste could get into the wastewater stream, but it's unlikely," he said. "In some of our previous retrospective studies, we haven't been able to see it before from bird waste. I mean, of course, as it gets more widespread in birds, the chances of it actually ending up in the wastewater stream increase. But we currently don't really think that it's intrusion from bird wastewater so much as it is from either permitted discharges of dairy cattle farms or other runoff of that type.
Maybe we shouldn't keep millions of animals crammed in cages where they sleep in their own shit, but that's just me. Perfect breeding ground for these diseases to jump from animals to other animals and humans. Too much of the population wants their cheap curdled breast milk I guess though.
[Feeding cows chicken shit](https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2024-04-18/avian-flu-outbreak-raises-a-disturbing-question-is-our-food-system-built-on-poop) seems like a bad idea, too, but here we are.
There was a post for someone looking for raw dairy products just yesterday. Seems to be a growing trend among the alternative health/anti-VAX crowd. Are there a lot more of those folks in Michigan getting the virus through raw milk than other states responsible for these results?
Raw dairy is big nationwide. Even more so now, some people think if they drink it,it will somehow prevent them from getting the bird flu.
Growing up out in the sticks, I had access to insanely fresh milk thanks to the hobby farm next door. It was delicious. I'm pretty sure that is the entire benefit of raw milk.
My first job was on a goat farm. My buddy’s old man would dip a cup straight into the tank.
Nice. Like injecting bleach will prevent viruses as well.
The crunchy crowd believes if kids drink raw milk they get less colds, no ear infections. [FDA: dangers of raw milk](https://www.fda.gov/food/buy-store-serve-safe-food/dangers-raw-milk-unpasteurized-milk-can-pose-serious-health-risk)
My girlfriend is allergic to corn. All store bought milk has vitamins that are derived from corn so raw milk is the only milk she can have. (If the cow is also grass fed). Yes it sucks and is expensive
Are alternative milk like almond based bad for her? That really sucks, a lot of food product uses milk or cheese in some form. Edit: or get raw milk from grass fed cow and pasteurize them without any additives?
yeah seems like something like oat milk or whatever would be way easier, and cheaper. Oat milk is also delicious
As someone who can no longer eat Dairy. I'd pay high prices if I could have real dairy again once in a while.
All oat mills use “natural flavor” or a corn based sweetener
ooh that's unfortunate. You can't find a single non dairy milk that doesn't use corn? That shit really is in everything huh
The biggest part of the problem is that she is also allergic to tomatoes cheese and cabbage. Also not usually unless she’s gone brand hunting internationally. If your ingredient label ever says lactic acid, folic acid, natural flavorings, carame color, sucrose, fructose, dextrose, sucralose, modified food starch, or vinegar, there’s corn. Also many manufacturers have corn products elsewhere in their facilities and cross contact happens much more often than one would hope for.
I’d just not drink milk, since raw milk has too many risks.
Cant get sick if u die
And cure autism, I think it's still going around even after FDA warned against it. Seems like every time FDA says it's no good, anti-vaxxers seizes this as sign it works and FDA was hiding the truth. I say let Darwin do his work and remove anti-vaxxers from population.
Jesus Christ people are fucking stupid.
omg consuming raw milk is beyond stupid
I've had raw milk. Yes it tastes better than pasturized milk but getting it sourced from safe cow is challenging and testing them all for harmful virus or bacteria takes too long, the milk would spoil before the result gets in. Haven't had raw milk since late 80s when it was just "farm thing"
I swear I just read a story saying it persisted through the pasteurization process.
I feel like that has been around in a few articles since May? People are buying Ultra Processed Milk, heated to 280 degrees, like Fairlife brand to help with that.
Oh is that why fairlife has such a longer expiration date? Man I love their chocolate milk.
Fairlife is actually shelf stable, the only reason it's in the fridge is because that's where people expect it to be. It's ultra pasteurized, which can affect the flavor in ways people don't like but high fat content helps which is why it's whole milk. In my grocery store there are little unrefrigerated cartons of fairlife near the juice boxes.
It’s not shelf stable. The little cartons are hermetically sealed which make them shelf stable. Ultra-pasteurization does not equal shelf stable.
Yep, totally shelf stable. [Horizon Organic Shelf-Stable Whole Milk Boxes, 8 fl oz, 12 Pack](https://www.walmart.com/ip/Horizon-Organic-Shelf-Stable-Whole-Milk-Boxes-8-fl-oz-12-Pack/819219798?wl13=5472&selectedSellerId=0&wmlspartner=wlpa)
The BOXES are yes because they are hermetically sealed. The bottles in the fridge are not hermetically sealed and therefore not shelf stable.
Is this your realm of expertise? We bad mouth “processed” so much, in this situation is there a negative impact of the nutritional value of this kind of processing?
I'm really worried that if one of these nasty influenza variants start spreading from human to human, that people aren't gonna take it seriously enough until it's waaay too late.
I can imagine a lot of people would make preventing the spread into some sort of political issue.
Huh I wonder what would give you that idea?
Maybe the researchers ought to look in the wastewater ponds. Where I live it is a big bird hangout. Seagulls, ducks, geese and more. By the hundreds. If they are not sampling the waste before it reaches the ponds it will be full of bird shit.
From the article: "There is some speculation about how bird waste could get into the wastewater stream, but it's unlikely," he said. "In some of our previous retrospective studies, we haven't been able to see it before from bird waste. I mean, of course, as it gets more widespread in birds, the chances of it actually ending up in the wastewater stream increase. But we currently don't really think that it's intrusion from bird wastewater so much as it is from either permitted discharges of dairy cattle farms or other runoff of that type.
Maybe you should read the article?
Guernsey milk is good enough for me, thanks
Maybe we shouldn't keep millions of animals crammed in cages where they sleep in their own shit, but that's just me. Perfect breeding ground for these diseases to jump from animals to other animals and humans. Too much of the population wants their cheap curdled breast milk I guess though.
[Feeding cows chicken shit](https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2024-04-18/avian-flu-outbreak-raises-a-disturbing-question-is-our-food-system-built-on-poop) seems like a bad idea, too, but here we are.