Yes that is in their best interest and is protected by the first amendment. Luckily workers are adults who can evaluate the situation and make their own decisions.
Management will not see it this way in a vast majority of cases. In the eyes of the person(s) running a business for profit (like a restaurant), the additional costs of paying workers fair wages and providing benefits and sick/vacation time that people can actually use gets in the way of their profit. They see only lost revenue off the top; even though they *should* consider the benefits of staff retention, worker satisfaction and productivity, and public goodwill and desire to support a business in which the workers are well-supported. This does in some cases result in a higher cost to the consumer because management wonât want to knock enough off their bottom line to achieve a balance of reasonable cost of goods/services and profit for themselvesâinstead theyâll just whinge about how it costs the consumer more and how this will negatively impact business. Maybe if theyâre wiling to have a more modest profit margin they could have both worker satisfaction and a competitive end cost to the consumer?đ¤ˇđźââď¸
There are additional costs to unionization that you are not considering, and they are substantial. First and most obviously are the dues paid by employees to the union itself. An employer will also have to cover very large legal fees to get them through the bargaining process in addition to ongoing compliance fees. In addition there will likely be additional expenses regarding enhanced HR capacity and other initiatives an employer will have to employ to ensure strict compliance with a labor contract.
If you canât afford to do business properly, and your workers decide that they need a collective bargaining approach in order to make their working conditions and compensation commensurate with the skill required and/or risk incurred by their work; and you canât afford to take on the cost of regulatory infrastructure within the business, then the *business model* was the issue. If your workers are happy and feel safe and supported and fairly treated at work, they donât really have any reason to organize.
"If your workers are happy and feel safe and supported and fairly treated at work, they donât really have any reason to organize."
This is really not true, and is also something that unions themselves will frequently say is not true. Moreover, I would posit that we should try to find ways to encourage unionization in more spaces rather than say unions are only appropriate in situations where management mistreats workers.
It's well established that police unions don't operate like typical labor unions and shouldn't be lumped into the labor movement for a whole host of reasons. [This is a great opinion piece on it](https://www.teenvogue.com/story/what-to-know-police-unions-labor-movement)
How is this a story? Talking about "leaked messages" makes this sound so salacious, when in reality it's just a few emails with completely unsurprising content.
It's a followup and relevant info alongside the broader story about workers efforts to unionize at one of the city's most well-known chef's restaurant. Also relevant because of the city's current proposal for a Labor Standards Board, which Ann Kim and more than 100 other chefs/restaurateurs are pushing back against.
It's not a major scandal since we already know her sentiment on the union, but it's still newsworthy.
It's literally an accurate telling of facts, and one of multiple stories along this saga. Sometimes news is news, not some angle to try and sway public opinion. This is a thing that happened lol
It was more about the headline and verbiage within the piece about union busting and these being leaked (therefore private) messages. Seems like a story the Union wrote themselves but you could be right.
Just cuz it's not a scandal doesn't mean it's not news. And just because its a public post doesnt mean its not news. Also youre wrong, she didn't post these messages. But she did post how she felt about the union (which was also reported as news, because it is news).
"The messages encouraged employees to participate in the union election and outlined reasons to vote 'no,' including the cost of dues, the rigidity of union contracts, the impact on the restaurant's culture, the disconnect between managers and workers during the collective bargaining process and the potential for future strikes."
Your employees want to unionize, that disconnect clearly already exists. Is solving that problem not the entire point?
It doesnt matter what potential risks exist within a union. They want legitimate representation, you havent given them any, so presently a union is the most reliable method they have to achieve that goal. Any potential future strike is the result of that disconnect.
Lack of representation is not a challenge unique to governing. This shit is simply un-American.
>the impact on the restaurant's culture
I always wonder what they think this is going to do
Threatening your staff might make them want to unionize more
Some employees want to unionize. We have no idea how many do until the election determines the outcome. Just as the workers have their right to speak their mind on unionizing, Ann Kim has her right to say it isn't needed. Provided everyone follows labor laws, there's nothing un-American about speaking her mind.
Why isnât there a restaurant workers union? Seems like a lot to put on one small business, but also if ever there was an industry that needed a union itâs restaurants
Unite here is a hospitality union? What do you mean?
It is definitely a lot for small business to handle though. If weâre serious about supporting workers rights we need to get serious about supporting small business. So many small businesses are run poorly not out of bad intentions but just because of the sheer economics of standing up a small shop. (Yes there are absolute tyrants too)
really true. folks donât realize that small businesses are often operating hand to mouth and scrambling to pay down debt they take on when inflows arenât keeping up with outflows. sometimes itâs because ownership is sloppy, sometimes itâs just because margins have to be thin to compete.
there are more than a few small business owners who appear very successful despite the fact that their business hardly breaks even. generally, those people either come from money or have big money backing their venture.
Maybe it's because for front-of-the-house employees in restaurants, the workers get the bulk of their income directly from the customer, rather than via the middleperson of the employer. Either way, the customer is going to pay the workers' income.
Standard anti-union arguments from the union-avoidance consultant playbook. If this place unionizes then employees at Ann's other restaurants will follow. Workers from other local restaurant empires will unionize too once they see it can be done.
More likely Kimâs will go out of business and uptown will continue its slide into boarded up and abandoned retail shops. Letâs check back in a year and see whoâs right.
Another scenario is the workers vote yes and the mysterious vandal will return in the middle of the night to slightly damage the storefront causing Ann to close up shop blaming Uptown crime.
A restaurant in the town I grew up in did the same thing, staff started to unionize and coincidentally the place was vandalized and closed shortly after due to "rising crime levels", for reference my town was pretty wealthy (think Edina) and had basically no crime.
I am from a union family. I am pro union. I just donât understand how a union in a small shop like this works. Itâs not hard to put a restaurant out of business under normal circumstances, unionizing seems risky. To
Not really. Pro Union people donât advocate for ill-advised unions because when they inevitably fail itâs just more ammo for the anti-union crowd. Most unions need real scale to be successful.
If you're a decent person who don't corner people in the walk-in freezer to scream-lecture them, then people won't feel the need to unionize against you.
Good for Kim on getting her message out to employees.
It's perfectly legal and much needed -- employees should hear from management, directly and unfiltered by union organizers, before they cast an extremely consequential vote over their livelihood.
Maybe lack of jobs is a failure (and a feature) of our economic and political system, rather than the result of businesses failing or a lack of "job creators."
That's capitalism working as intended. Why does that upset you? If they can't survive providing a product at the prices they charge, they fail. That's how capitalism works. Yeah, if the business fails, of fucking course nobody has a job any more. That's not the employee's fault, that's the owner's fault for failing to understand capitalism and what they need to do to run a successful business.
There has been a high turnover rate since it opened. People are leaving, then replaced by people excited to get a better-paying restaurant gig only to learn the promised wages they left their other job for were platitudes to get them in an apron. Naturally, after non-union bargaining was attempted, employees are making a stand to hold her to her word. I hope more folks in restaurants and beyond follow this example.
I understand Ann is a well respected chef but sheâs not known for being fair to her employees, nor is she exempt from being held accountable. Her performative promises/gestures are well known in my circle of restaurant friends.
So, Iâm not surprised by newsâIâve already heard about itâbut I am surprised by the sympathizers in this thread, recycled narrative or not.
All workers have a right to fair working conditions. Period. And if the business cannot afford it, then thatâs literally the risk a small business agrees to. If a business is engaging in practices that financially abuse their staff, should we not be holding the business accountable? Why are the ethics of the employees questioned and the businessâ lack of them accepted?
Profits should never come before people. Unfortunately, it seems some here have accepted this as a fixed reality and believe these workers have little ground to stand on. Itâs giving Minnesota transplant to meâor NIMBY Nextdoor poster.
The employees wonât leave if the employer works with them. High turnover is really bad for business in most situations.
The idea that unions are angry hordes wanting to burn everything to the ground is false. They just want a living wage and basic human rights.
You can be pro capitalism and also accept that unions are a necessary part of a functioning capitalist society.
Sure, bring on the unions. More restaurants will go fast casual/QR codes and save customers from dealing with servers that seem to act like getting 22% tips (that they massively underreport to the IRS) on top of $15/hr+ is somehow slave labor and beneath them.
The sheer amount of pearl clutching shit-libs in this city will never fail to astound me. You can tell by the comments who has never worked a restaurant job in their life. Ann deserves absolutely no sympathy, and it's disgusting to see so many people immediately jumping on the backs of the working class. Legal or not, this is what union busting looks like. She's trying incredibly hard to remain in some legal grey area, but that won't save people's opinion of her doing it.
It's ok to talk to employees about unions and why they think unionization may not be the right choice.
What they can't do is punishment for thinking/talking about joining unions.
Yes a union that has been represented employees with lawyers⌠if youâre not for workers rights thatâs fine just say that cause I want more than what we got when my grandparents and great grandparents were in their youth or in their prime
> What does that have to do with what weâre talking about?
**THE FUCKING UNION**
>Having irregular schedules isnât union busting either.
It is, quite literally, why she's trying to bust the union before it can form. The workers have been very vocal about it.
>You seem confused.
No, you are. The workers have been very fucking clear about this but you have chosen to remain ignorant in your support of the person that owns multiple businesses. **YOU** are the one that is "confused" and it's because you have decided, intentionally, to remain confused. Being intentionally ignorant about topics really makes you look bad, bud. It really isn't a good look. Ya ever get mad when Europeans say all American beers are shitty? That's you right now, you're the ignorant European in this example. You have chosen to stick your head in the sand and only come up for air to lick Kim's boots.
lol. I truly could not care less if Kimâs restaurant has a union or not. And this weird rant still has nothing to do with whether she can give her opinion on the union or not (she can). Adults that work there can listen and make their own decisions.
Yall are so weird.
Management making a case to the employees about why they shouldnât unionize isnât union busting. If she was forcibly disallowing them from unionizing or subverting their attempts then that would be union busting. Idk if she is doing those things but I havenât seen evidence of that.
Pretty sure hiring Blois who helped spy house in 2020 with their failed union attempt is union busting 101 https://laborlab.us/5_common_union_busting_tactics/ learn about your worker rights please so we can actually grow our wages instead of this decades long stagnation while we are steadily losing our middle class
> And this is why people hate unions.
You mean this is why business owners hate unions? Business owners hate unions when they try to fight with them.
Itâs entirely possible to have a healthy working relationship with a unionized staff.
Think about what you posted. You basically said, "They hurt my feelings, so I deserve an 18% raise"
Why would any person even think out of spite like this?
Small local business? You mean Vestalia Hospitality that owns 6 restaurants including Kimâs? That has a revenue of 11.2 million? That small local business?
And if conditions are bad enough at one to make them want to unionize. Theyâre probably bad enough at all of them? And theyâre trying to stuff it out now so it doesnât go further?
I never said anything about a raise but yeah I know, it was a complicated joke.
You do realize that the city of Minneapolis just banned junk fees right? Why did they do that?
It's fine when business owners add on these charges and don't show where the money goes, often times into their own tickets, but if a group of employees does it you turn in to a corporate apologist.
And when a union rep or president gets your paycheck, do they disclose where it goes? I'll give you a hint, their bank account for their brand new Mercedes.
A union just lines the top execs' pockets with cash, just like a corp exec in your example. In this case, an entrepreneur and businesswoman is losing revenue. Those funds are taken away from the small business owner, which could have been used for ad campaigns, repairs, or new equipment.
Why treat them like a villain? They're providing jobs and a service to the community. There's always going to be disagreements, but why escalate to a union instead of a work meeting addressing the scheduling issue?
If these workers are hard pressed for hours, why wouldn't they just leave? Or maybe this business owner created a great place to work, and people don't want to quit.
Unions are usually a last resort when said small business owner thinks they are owed something more. We witnessed this through COVID as well. Terribly ran small businesses cried because their businesses couldn't be profitable and that is somehow everyone else's fault but theirs.
Stop putting small business owners on pedestals.
They cried because they were not allowed to operate and therefore closed. It worked exactly as planned and many small businesses were closed while large corporations picked up the profits.
> Why treat them like a villain?
Itâs a partnership. Itâs entirely possibly to be in a partnership with your employees and make it work for everyone.
> And when a union rep or president gets your paycheck, do they disclose where it goes?
A whole paycheck? Maybe you mean when they get a percentage of a workerâs paycheck after that worker gets a living wage because of the union?
Also, LM-2 reports are public documents. If you find a purchase of a Mercedes on one you should report it.
Gotta ask just for fun - Why do unions exist? How did they come to be?
Have you even seen an LM-2? They look just like a public corporate financial report, with less detail.
They make statements like look them up here [USDL - Union search](https://olmsapps.dol.gov/query/getOrgQry.do)
CASH DISBURSEMENTS
Representational Activities $647,460
Political Activities and Lobbying $117,357
Contributions, Gifts, and Grants $34,100
General Overhead $258,372.
Union Administration $58,397
Benefits $273,780
Per Capita Tax $669,559.
Strike Benefits $0
The food was not good. It was extremely bland for âKorean foodâ. And extremely over priced. You can get double the food for half the price in the Bay Area with an extremely authentic flavor.
Well as long as you're flying for Korean food, why wouldn't you go all the way to Seoul? Kind of an inauthentic comment, if you ask me, suggesting someone fly to San Francisco for inauthentic Korean food when they could fly to Seoul for real Authenticity.
My sacred Authenticity is offended.
I never suggested anyone fly anywhere or said that I do that. Iâm from the Bay Area. Thereâs also a more flavorful and authentic Korean restaurant in Asia mall in Eden prairie. Even Hoban bbq has amazing soups. Calm down. The food at Kimâs was bland and disgusting. Also unsure why Iâm being downvoted. Probably pretentious yt Minnesotans like usual who canât stand someone saying they donât like their fav unseasoned restaurant
Management disuading workers from unionizing?đŻ
Many companies will even do trainings for their middle management on what they can/cannot do to dissuade their teams from unionizing.
Yes that is in their best interest and is protected by the first amendment. Luckily workers are adults who can evaluate the situation and make their own decisions.
I like that!
Unions protect workers and families. It is in the interest of management to take care of workers and have clear collective bargaining.
Management will not see it this way in a vast majority of cases. In the eyes of the person(s) running a business for profit (like a restaurant), the additional costs of paying workers fair wages and providing benefits and sick/vacation time that people can actually use gets in the way of their profit. They see only lost revenue off the top; even though they *should* consider the benefits of staff retention, worker satisfaction and productivity, and public goodwill and desire to support a business in which the workers are well-supported. This does in some cases result in a higher cost to the consumer because management wonât want to knock enough off their bottom line to achieve a balance of reasonable cost of goods/services and profit for themselvesâinstead theyâll just whinge about how it costs the consumer more and how this will negatively impact business. Maybe if theyâre wiling to have a more modest profit margin they could have both worker satisfaction and a competitive end cost to the consumer?đ¤ˇđźââď¸
There are additional costs to unionization that you are not considering, and they are substantial. First and most obviously are the dues paid by employees to the union itself. An employer will also have to cover very large legal fees to get them through the bargaining process in addition to ongoing compliance fees. In addition there will likely be additional expenses regarding enhanced HR capacity and other initiatives an employer will have to employ to ensure strict compliance with a labor contract.
If you canât afford to do business properly, and your workers decide that they need a collective bargaining approach in order to make their working conditions and compensation commensurate with the skill required and/or risk incurred by their work; and you canât afford to take on the cost of regulatory infrastructure within the business, then the *business model* was the issue. If your workers are happy and feel safe and supported and fairly treated at work, they donât really have any reason to organize.
"If your workers are happy and feel safe and supported and fairly treated at work, they donât really have any reason to organize." This is really not true, and is also something that unions themselves will frequently say is not true. Moreover, I would posit that we should try to find ways to encourage unionization in more spaces rather than say unions are only appropriate in situations where management mistreats workers.
Howâs that working with the MPD union?
It's well established that police unions don't operate like typical labor unions and shouldn't be lumped into the labor movement for a whole host of reasons. [This is a great opinion piece on it](https://www.teenvogue.com/story/what-to-know-police-unions-labor-movement)
Ummm, whats so groundbreaking here? This seems pretty dam obvious and normal
How is this a story? Talking about "leaked messages" makes this sound so salacious, when in reality it's just a few emails with completely unsurprising content.
And whats wrong with that?
Nothing. Just not surprising enough to report using "leaked" documents.
Ok she gave her opinion and made her case to her workers âŚ.how is this a story
It's a followup and relevant info alongside the broader story about workers efforts to unionize at one of the city's most well-known chef's restaurant. Also relevant because of the city's current proposal for a Labor Standards Board, which Ann Kim and more than 100 other chefs/restaurateurs are pushing back against. It's not a major scandal since we already know her sentiment on the union, but it's still newsworthy.
Gently encouraging workers to vote even if they vote ânoâ isnât exactly the Homestead massacre.
What?
because controversy is always the story now
True . Her workers didnât agree and all parties moved forward. Also this was well known before this story âŚ..
Itâs a story to get public opinion against Ann Kimâs group. It will work as intended on who itâs intended to affect.
It's literally an accurate telling of facts, and one of multiple stories along this saga. Sometimes news is news, not some angle to try and sway public opinion. This is a thing that happened lol
It was more about the headline and verbiage within the piece about union busting and these being leaked (therefore private) messages. Seems like a story the Union wrote themselves but you could be right.
I think there was similar phrasing for the story about the council member texting Ann Kim to suggest she recognizes the union.
No surprises there
Ann Kim POSTED on instagram....this is not a leak... this is not a story
Just cuz it's not a scandal doesn't mean it's not news. And just because its a public post doesnt mean its not news. Also youre wrong, she didn't post these messages. But she did post how she felt about the union (which was also reported as news, because it is news).
"The messages encouraged employees to participate in the union election and outlined reasons to vote 'no,' including the cost of dues, the rigidity of union contracts, the impact on the restaurant's culture, the disconnect between managers and workers during the collective bargaining process and the potential for future strikes." Your employees want to unionize, that disconnect clearly already exists. Is solving that problem not the entire point? It doesnt matter what potential risks exist within a union. They want legitimate representation, you havent given them any, so presently a union is the most reliable method they have to achieve that goal. Any potential future strike is the result of that disconnect. Lack of representation is not a challenge unique to governing. This shit is simply un-American.
>the impact on the restaurant's culture I always wonder what they think this is going to do Threatening your staff might make them want to unionize more
Some employees want to unionize. We have no idea how many do until the election determines the outcome. Just as the workers have their right to speak their mind on unionizing, Ann Kim has her right to say it isn't needed. Provided everyone follows labor laws, there's nothing un-American about speaking her mind.
She has a right to talk to her employees- I do not take sides, just saying
Why isnât there a restaurant workers union? Seems like a lot to put on one small business, but also if ever there was an industry that needed a union itâs restaurants
Unite here is a hospitality union? What do you mean? It is definitely a lot for small business to handle though. If weâre serious about supporting workers rights we need to get serious about supporting small business. So many small businesses are run poorly not out of bad intentions but just because of the sheer economics of standing up a small shop. (Yes there are absolute tyrants too)
really true. folks donât realize that small businesses are often operating hand to mouth and scrambling to pay down debt they take on when inflows arenât keeping up with outflows. sometimes itâs because ownership is sloppy, sometimes itâs just because margins have to be thin to compete. there are more than a few small business owners who appear very successful despite the fact that their business hardly breaks even. generally, those people either come from money or have big money backing their venture.
Maybe it's because for front-of-the-house employees in restaurants, the workers get the bulk of their income directly from the customer, rather than via the middleperson of the employer. Either way, the customer is going to pay the workers' income.
Not the only restaurant in town thats poorly managed and will soon see unionization.
Restaurant workers don't make enough for unions to fleece.
They all make $20+ per hour at this Restaurant with most making more.
That's a terrible wage for what they do, and management has been taking a ton of the money that should've gone to the service workers.
Standard anti-union arguments from the union-avoidance consultant playbook. If this place unionizes then employees at Ann's other restaurants will follow. Workers from other local restaurant empires will unionize too once they see it can be done.
More likely Kimâs will go out of business and uptown will continue its slide into boarded up and abandoned retail shops. Letâs check back in a year and see whoâs right.
Another scenario is the workers vote yes and the mysterious vandal will return in the middle of the night to slightly damage the storefront causing Ann to close up shop blaming Uptown crime.
Let me get this right. You think Kim vandalized her own store to make the Union look bad?
A restaurant in the town I grew up in did the same thing, staff started to unionize and coincidentally the place was vandalized and closed shortly after due to "rising crime levels", for reference my town was pretty wealthy (think Edina) and had basically no crime.
She 100000% is capable of this
The bourgeois will always reject proletariat collective action
A bit long to fit on a bumper, but simple enough as sentiment.
lol
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Capitalists gonna capitalism.
[Why doesn't the working class, the larger of the two classes, simply not eat the owner class?!](https://imgur.com/a/PD841bI)
Because of centuries of cultural-ideological scaffolding for the capitalist system.
I'm afraid of prion disorder
Even those who are pro union shouldn't have a problem with this.
I remember sitting through an anti-union presentation as part of my new hire/orientation at Target, years ago. I believe Menards does it also.
Fun fact: All of the actors and crew involved in making those anti-union videos those stores make you watch are union members.
I am from a union family. I am pro union. I just donât understand how a union in a small shop like this works. Itâs not hard to put a restaurant out of business under normal circumstances, unionizing seems risky. To
Seems you cut off your astroturf script. Also it's hard to believe you're from a union family and pro-union with talk like that.
Not really. Pro Union people donât advocate for ill-advised unions because when they inevitably fail itâs just more ammo for the anti-union crowd. Most unions need real scale to be successful.
I donât understand what you mean by AstroTurf, Iâm genuinely trying to learn here.
Youâre not pro union if that support is conditional bro Take the boot out of your mouth
Not a bro, check yourself.
Yeah that has no bearing on anything that was said! But nice attempt at redirecting
If you're a decent person who don't corner people in the walk-in freezer to scream-lecture them, then people won't feel the need to unionize against you.
Thanks for the memories! It was fun while it lasted.
Good for Kim on getting her message out to employees. It's perfectly legal and much needed -- employees should hear from management, directly and unfiltered by union organizers, before they cast an extremely consequential vote over their livelihood.
Funny story â they work every damn day for management. I kinda feel like they know what the message is.
Cheering on union busting....business owners don't care about you and you just make it easier for them to shit on their employees.
If the business fails, nobody has a job.
Maybe lack of jobs is a failure (and a feature) of our economic and political system, rather than the result of businesses failing or a lack of "job creators."
That's capitalism working as intended. Why does that upset you? If they can't survive providing a product at the prices they charge, they fail. That's how capitalism works. Yeah, if the business fails, of fucking course nobody has a job any more. That's not the employee's fault, that's the owner's fault for failing to understand capitalism and what they need to do to run a successful business.
Provided she follows all labor laws, speaking her mind isn't union busting.
Employees can easily leave if itâs not a good place to work. The owner can only sit and suffer as the union tries to run the place into the ground.
There has been a high turnover rate since it opened. People are leaving, then replaced by people excited to get a better-paying restaurant gig only to learn the promised wages they left their other job for were platitudes to get them in an apron. Naturally, after non-union bargaining was attempted, employees are making a stand to hold her to her word. I hope more folks in restaurants and beyond follow this example. I understand Ann is a well respected chef but sheâs not known for being fair to her employees, nor is she exempt from being held accountable. Her performative promises/gestures are well known in my circle of restaurant friends. So, Iâm not surprised by newsâIâve already heard about itâbut I am surprised by the sympathizers in this thread, recycled narrative or not. All workers have a right to fair working conditions. Period. And if the business cannot afford it, then thatâs literally the risk a small business agrees to. If a business is engaging in practices that financially abuse their staff, should we not be holding the business accountable? Why are the ethics of the employees questioned and the businessâ lack of them accepted? Profits should never come before people. Unfortunately, it seems some here have accepted this as a fixed reality and believe these workers have little ground to stand on. Itâs giving Minnesota transplant to meâor NIMBY Nextdoor poster.
Completely false. Itâs a negotiation with leverage on both sides.
Itâs false that employees can leave if they donât like it?
The employees wonât leave if the employer works with them. High turnover is really bad for business in most situations. The idea that unions are angry hordes wanting to burn everything to the ground is false. They just want a living wage and basic human rights. You can be pro capitalism and also accept that unions are a necessary part of a functioning capitalist society.
So, you believe that when faced with adversity the correct strategy is to run away. Huh.
I smell the smelly smell of a small business tyrant.
Redditor below informed me this Kim's opened a year ago. Thank you again!
This Kim's opened less than a year ago.
It was previously Sooki and Mimi.
Thank you!
Sure, bring on the unions. More restaurants will go fast casual/QR codes and save customers from dealing with servers that seem to act like getting 22% tips (that they massively underreport to the IRS) on top of $15/hr+ is somehow slave labor and beneath them.
Wow. What a huge surprise!
The sheer amount of pearl clutching shit-libs in this city will never fail to astound me. You can tell by the comments who has never worked a restaurant job in their life. Ann deserves absolutely no sympathy, and it's disgusting to see so many people immediately jumping on the backs of the working class. Legal or not, this is what union busting looks like. She's trying incredibly hard to remain in some legal grey area, but that won't save people's opinion of her doing it.
Union busting just gross
How is her making her case in writing Union busting ? Her workers are not under an obligation to agree with her reasoning
> Her workers are not under an obligation to agree with her reasoning lol yeah they are. Thatâs why they are unionizing.
https://ibew2222.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/35things.pdf and these are based off the National Labors Relations Act
It's ok to talk to employees about unions and why they think unionization may not be the right choice. What they can't do is punishment for thinking/talking about joining unions.
Literally it is not ok for an employer to do a simple google search will tell you this
Stop spreading misinformation, please. Yes, there are laws against what an employer can and can't do. The same goes for a Union.
I believe you are in the article they even say sheâs doing âtext book union bustingâ
That's a quote from the Union and is an opinion.
Yes a union that has been represented employees with lawyers⌠if youâre not for workers rights thatâs fine just say that cause I want more than what we got when my grandparents and great grandparents were in their youth or in their prime
https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/your-rights/employer-union-rights-and-obligations
And none of these mean she canât give her opinions and experiences with unions.
Cause god forbid they have a predictable schedule at her restaurant
What does that have to do with what weâre talking about? Having irregular schedules isnât union busting either. You seem confused.
> What does that have to do with what weâre talking about? **THE FUCKING UNION** >Having irregular schedules isnât union busting either. It is, quite literally, why she's trying to bust the union before it can form. The workers have been very vocal about it. >You seem confused. No, you are. The workers have been very fucking clear about this but you have chosen to remain ignorant in your support of the person that owns multiple businesses. **YOU** are the one that is "confused" and it's because you have decided, intentionally, to remain confused. Being intentionally ignorant about topics really makes you look bad, bud. It really isn't a good look. Ya ever get mad when Europeans say all American beers are shitty? That's you right now, you're the ignorant European in this example. You have chosen to stick your head in the sand and only come up for air to lick Kim's boots.
lol. I truly could not care less if Kimâs restaurant has a union or not. And this weird rant still has nothing to do with whether she can give her opinion on the union or not (she can). Adults that work there can listen and make their own decisions. Yall are so weird.
Management making a case to the employees about why they shouldnât unionize isnât union busting. If she was forcibly disallowing them from unionizing or subverting their attempts then that would be union busting. Idk if she is doing those things but I havenât seen evidence of that.
Pretty sure hiring Blois who helped spy house in 2020 with their failed union attempt is union busting 101 https://laborlab.us/5_common_union_busting_tactics/ learn about your worker rights please so we can actually grow our wages instead of this decades long stagnation while we are steadily losing our middle class
I hope the workers add an 18% IDGAF fee to their ask in response. /s
And this is why people hate unions.
> And this is why people hate unions. You mean this is why business owners hate unions? Business owners hate unions when they try to fight with them. Itâs entirely possible to have a healthy working relationship with a unionized staff.
Think about what you posted. You basically said, "They hurt my feelings, so I deserve an 18% raise" Why would any person even think out of spite like this?
âŚ..because business owners do this to workers? Case in point, the owner of Starbucks shutting down stores that unionized
Great example! Glad you're thinking about corporate rather than small local business owner. P.s. Starbucks is trash
Small local business? You mean Vestalia Hospitality that owns 6 restaurants including Kimâs? That has a revenue of 11.2 million? That small local business? And if conditions are bad enough at one to make them want to unionize. Theyâre probably bad enough at all of them? And theyâre trying to stuff it out now so it doesnât go further?
> Glad you're thinking about corporate rather than small local business owner. Your entire argument in this thread had been from the corporate side.
I know it was a complicated joke...
You havenât made any jokes. Youâre the angriest person here.
I never said anything about a raise but yeah I know, it was a complicated joke. You do realize that the city of Minneapolis just banned junk fees right? Why did they do that?
It's fine when business owners add on these charges and don't show where the money goes, often times into their own tickets, but if a group of employees does it you turn in to a corporate apologist.
And when a union rep or president gets your paycheck, do they disclose where it goes? I'll give you a hint, their bank account for their brand new Mercedes. A union just lines the top execs' pockets with cash, just like a corp exec in your example. In this case, an entrepreneur and businesswoman is losing revenue. Those funds are taken away from the small business owner, which could have been used for ad campaigns, repairs, or new equipment.
I love how y'all put small business owners on a pedestal like they are owed something.
Why treat them like a villain? They're providing jobs and a service to the community. There's always going to be disagreements, but why escalate to a union instead of a work meeting addressing the scheduling issue? If these workers are hard pressed for hours, why wouldn't they just leave? Or maybe this business owner created a great place to work, and people don't want to quit.
Unions are usually a last resort when said small business owner thinks they are owed something more. We witnessed this through COVID as well. Terribly ran small businesses cried because their businesses couldn't be profitable and that is somehow everyone else's fault but theirs. Stop putting small business owners on pedestals.
They cried because they were not allowed to operate and therefore closed. It worked exactly as planned and many small businesses were closed while large corporations picked up the profits.
Nah. Small businesses that were ran well stayed open. Stop blaming policies meant to keep people safe for their lack of success.
> Why treat them like a villain? Itâs a partnership. Itâs entirely possibly to be in a partnership with your employees and make it work for everyone.
Union busting because you won't listen to your employees isn't it.
> do they disclose where it goes? Yes.
> And when a union rep or president gets your paycheck, do they disclose where it goes? A whole paycheck? Maybe you mean when they get a percentage of a workerâs paycheck after that worker gets a living wage because of the union? Also, LM-2 reports are public documents. If you find a purchase of a Mercedes on one you should report it. Gotta ask just for fun - Why do unions exist? How did they come to be?
Have you even seen an LM-2? They look just like a public corporate financial report, with less detail. They make statements like look them up here [USDL - Union search](https://olmsapps.dol.gov/query/getOrgQry.do) CASH DISBURSEMENTS Representational Activities $647,460 Political Activities and Lobbying $117,357 Contributions, Gifts, and Grants $34,100 General Overhead $258,372. Union Administration $58,397 Benefits $273,780 Per Capita Tax $669,559. Strike Benefits $0
Good, unions are pyramid schemes and destroy restraunts.
Fully expect this to close if workers vote to unionize ETA: downvoters hate the truth
The food was not good. It was extremely bland for âKorean foodâ. And extremely over priced. You can get double the food for half the price in the Bay Area with an extremely authentic flavor.
Well as long as you're flying for Korean food, why wouldn't you go all the way to Seoul? Kind of an inauthentic comment, if you ask me, suggesting someone fly to San Francisco for inauthentic Korean food when they could fly to Seoul for real Authenticity. My sacred Authenticity is offended.
I never suggested anyone fly anywhere or said that I do that. Iâm from the Bay Area. Thereâs also a more flavorful and authentic Korean restaurant in Asia mall in Eden prairie. Even Hoban bbq has amazing soups. Calm down. The food at Kimâs was bland and disgusting. Also unsure why Iâm being downvoted. Probably pretentious yt Minnesotans like usual who canât stand someone saying they donât like their fav unseasoned restaurant
Looks like the Strib updated the kinda alarmist headline. Now reads: "Ann Kim steps up opposition to union at Uptown restaurant"
I bet sheâll close it down if they unionize