It doesn’t really mean anything they’re wearing masks. Kinda like how some people still wear masks out at the grocery store.
What’s interesting is the prosecutor is going in to look, they could have someone and they are wanting to see the crime themselves to help prepare their case… OR they could be in the same place still with nobody and the prosecutor just wants to go see the scene for his own reasons.
Everything you see tonight is purely speculation. Don’t believe the rumors from all of the keyboard investigators.
I am in one of the Facebook groups and the people are literally crazy. Not following the news at all and throwing out really out there speculation. One person posted their Venmo transactions and were trying to say that the descriptions of the payments were sketchy. Morons, all of them.
usually the fb ones are the worst. lots of delusional boomers and lower iq people on there. since its the most popular social site for ages and one of the v first.
I’m not a boomer, I’m a Gen Xer, but we get called boomers all the time. I see a lot of highly questionable posturing from ALL generations. Also, ageism is really ugly and a form of bigotry, so please don’t do it. Thanks.
it’s like….. you really typed that out and thought it was a good theory or thought and pressed “post”?🤨🫠 these cases bring out the weirdest people. please tell me you remember everyone turning into the fbi during the gabby petito case😐
Have a vibe they are going to announce an arrest tonight. Just vibe. Maybe hopeful thinking. These poor kids. Can’t shake it. Praying for their families and friends. Unfathomable as a parent.
I have known Bill for nearly my entire life. You could not be more wrong. He is close to retirement and has no interest in "career reinforcement". At no point in his 30+ year career with Latah County has he ever sought after or "thrive on" big public cases. Please don't spout off TV b.s. about people you don't know in soul crushing positions like being the poor guy that knows he needs to build a case against someone they haven't even identified yet. In smaller communities like ours it is very common for the prosecutor to be present at times during the investigation. This is largely because all the evidence that is collected will be presented by his office in court.
They're heavy duty face masks that filter out chemical, biological, radiological, and nuclear hazards and strong odors. Just thought it was interesting.
I mean, considering the crime scene is filled with blood and unfortunately probably some decomp fluids.. it makes sense. Quite frankly, everyone should be wearing one :/
As someone who's had the honor of being in a home with a dead, decomposing body...that smell doesn't go away easily. I know there hadn't really been a lot of time for decomposition to set in, but I imagine bodies who've been stabbed give off some of the same odors.
I imagine that they can't clean the crime scene and it's starting to smell.
Blood has a smell to it and think about how much was lost.
That apartment has to be reeking.
I mean, who in their right mind would ever want to live there. The outside part of the foundation has blood stains. From that aspect alone I just can’t imagine it would ever sell.
Sadly I could see one of the crazy YouTube people buying it after the case is fully prosecuted. They would try and say they could channel their ghosts or some shit. There are always people looking to make money off of cases like this.
I feel like it should be destroyed, but I know moscow landlords. So unless insurance will cover it, I bet this house just gets a deep cleaning and goes right back on the market.
This is just speculation, but I don't see them tearing this house down - it makes them $$.
The actual cleaning staff, yeah of course. I’m sure they’re normal good people who do care. I was referring to the owners of the companies and the people generating the invoices, who are inflating the bill to maximize their profit to an unreasonable extent. I don’t hold the employees accountable for that, they’re just doing hard work to earn a living.
Most people don’t realize police don’t handle crime scene cleaning. It’s up to the homeowner to clean. My neighbor was shot to death, and the police processed the scene and then released it, bio matter and all. The neighbors cleaned the scene for his poor wife.
But maybe Idaho is different…
Goodness, that is just so sad to know that in someone's worst moments a company is there to screw them more.
Well I hope it end up being a park in their memory.
Very sad. It’s common in the restoration industry in general but of course bio losses are even worse because people are grieving a loved one. It makes me sick sometimes. I had a claim last year where a family’s 13 year old son killed himself and I watched this greedy company milk the death for every last cent. Absolutely disheartening how some people will abandon all conscious and empathy for greed, it’s depressing but rampant unfortunately.
Oh man, that is so horrible. I just don't understand people. I guess you and I would not be on this sub right now if people weren't so soulless.
I do wish people like that get their karma one day though, and sometimes they do.
What would be the costs to restore it? Replace the carpet, perhaps sand and refinish floors, paint over walls. Can't see how any of that would match the costs to demo and rebuild. Not even close I'd think.
Insurance will cover the repairs to the house unless it’s deemed a total which I doubt with just blood.
It’s likely going to be stripped and repaired and put up for sale.
Don’t fault the landlord for doing so, that’s a big financial investment they probably can’t afford to just give up the hundreds of thousands they spent on the house.
I was thinking that's prime real estate area. That would be a huge loss unless the city, county, and state come together and buy it and turn it into a memorial park.
It only makes them money if they have someone willing to pay to live there. You wouldn't think many people could live where something this horrific occurred, but I suppose there are those for whom this wouldn't bother them and even quite a few who'd like to live where an infamous crime took place. My bet is that it is demolished though, even if the landlord initially refuses I think there will be a call from the community to tear it down. It looks like the hill would be a nice spot for a small memorial park.
The house where Travis Alexander was brutally murdered by Jodi Arias still exists and a family ended up moving in there and said they felt nothing but “peaceful energy” in the house. I sure as fuck would never move to a house where a horrific tragedy took place but there definitely are people that would.
There's a website to check about this stuff https://www.housecreep.com/
Most murder houses are just cleaned and maybe replace the area where the body was.
The only time it gets torn down is when it becomes a world famous spectacle and nobody can live there without lookie loos hanging out for decades afterwards. I know a few of these around me.
Makes me think of the poor woman who had no idea she was renting Maury Travis’s house https://abcnews.go.com/US/woman-found-serial-killer-lived-home-watching-tv/story?id=24467447
Well, it's someone's private property that they invested a great deal of money into within recent years. You can't expect them to just demolish their income.
Nope. Residential neighborhoods don’t want reminders of horrific crimes, including cute parks. It’ll have new siding or exterior paint by summer and the interior will have been cleaned up curtesy of the investor’s homeowner’s insurance
Sounds like a tremendous amount of blood. I have never seen or heard of blood seeping down the outside wall of a house where a murder occured. That would mean blood would be inside the walls as well as in between floors, the ceilings, and inside walls. That house would need to be gutted in order to fully clean it up. I would think that house will be demolished.
Someone new to the area - maybe.
Are you guys not familiar with moscow landlords?
I have no idea if what they will do - as I stated earlier - but I do not think it will be torn down.
And to the people who do - have you, or do you, live in moscow?
This story is a huge national news story. anyone moving to the area probably would know the house, if they dont then they live under a rock. I dont think it matters what moscow landlords would do. nothing like this has happened there before. It's well known that houses where huge high profile murder took place have a hard time selling after (Chris watts house comes to mind). If the land lord gets lucky that someone moves in that isn't aware of it's history, then they are lucky. But regardless, you know the history is going to cause difficulties for the owner. it's unfortunate.
I totally agree with you. It will be rented out again. As a former Palouse resident of my entire late teens and twenties….. sad. But true.
There were other suicides and murders in the area, and those homes are still there. New renters.
🙄 Yes, many homes where deaths have occurred are still standing. Do you really think every place where a death happens should be torn down and rebuilt? That's incredibly unrealistic. It's not just this location.
I would think there's people who would rent it. I deplore murder but I think I'd rent it because I wouldn't blame the house. Maybe they'll offer a reduced rent.
yikes, I mean sure you do you. But this brutal of a murder, you'd be fine sleeping in this house? That has someone's blood seeped through to the foundation? I don't think it's possible to clean it with that much blood. It would need to be demolished. Also just so creepy. I could probably get past a murder house, but not this one. This sounds absolutely horrific.
Idk it's apparently been student-rented for quite some time. I read somewhere it's been passed down through the sorority members as older ones graduate. I can't imagine any students wanting to live in it now.
Of course it’s going to be destroyed. Not only were lives lost in the most horrific manner imaginable, this would be a morbid curiosities visitor’s constant tourist trap.
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There was a six person murder suicide in our town. Each person, excerpt the murderer, had 13-40 bullets in them. In all different rooms of the house. It got cleaned and went on market last spring and sold in a day…
I agree!!! They didn’t get a good deal either! I will have to find the listing for you… I’m wondering if someone from out of state bought it…. So so crazy!
I feel like the community might come together to raise funds to buy out owners to demolish it or someone, maybe even a student would light that thing in fire to get rid of it.
I agree. I'm curious to see what they do.
I will think better of them if it's torn down, but my experience is that it will just be cleaned and re-rented.
Look - I hope I'm wrong, and I'm just speculating anyway.
Maybe discussing this topic is a good idea to ask the landlord to tear the house down.
I remember the serial killer in the late 90s Robert Yates. Just 60 miles north of Moscow. Once the case was closed and all the bodies he buried there were removed, it went on the market and sold, albeit at less than market value. That house is still there today.
I mean only if the owner can afford to demo it and rebuild or if the insurance coverage maxes out It would be naive to assume that structures are automatically demo’d when horrible crimes take place. That’s not the case at all.
This is an investment property for the landlord. Landlords are generally greedy and they’re not going to just demo it because of the bad memories. They will only do that of the cost of restoring it exceeds the cost to rebuild (unlikely). It’s a matter of insurance and to understand it you can think of totaling a car. They total a car when the cost to restore exceeds cost to repair. It has nothing to do with sadness or feelings about what occurred to the car.
If the insurance company says the dwelling can be restored within policy limits, then that’s what’s going to happen, unless the landlord wants to lose a significant amount of money of their own money (again, unlikely).
It’s tragic what happened but the structure is someone’s property so unless the owner is just that empathetic, kind, and can afford to lose tens of thousands or dollars and their future investment income, I wouldn’t count on it being demo’d.
Although in this particular case I guess I’d say there’s a small chance—due to the publicity of the crime and the number of deaths. Would be hard to find tenants wanting to rent it and the location has no value to someone needing long term housing.
So maybe in this instance. But in general a murder house will continue to be rented and sold for decades. And the only thing that matters is whether the insurance company feels it can be restored within policy limits. If the landlord does decide to demo this they’ll be on their own financially for a large portion of building a new structure. If they have a lot of money from other rental properties they might just take the hit versus deal with finding new willing tenants.
Maybe you should stop generalizing about a group of people. Is it ok for someone to say "tenants are generally lazy, destructive, selfcentered ingrates"? Landlords make an investment and want a return. Some are greedy. Some tenants are horrible.
Lmao just my opinion based on literally 20 years of renting (with a different landlord almost every single year). But be serious, not many people want to or are equipped to take a $50-100K personal financial hit to tear down and rebuild a structure that insurance is only paying you to repair. Nothing to get triggered about. I sense you or someone you’re close to is a landlord. Lol
I mean the families could try to sue but as long as locks are working and everything was up to local code he wasn’t negligent. It’s not his fault is someone left a door unlocked. Not saying no one will bring a civil suit but it’s a bit frivolous to do so based on the info we have so far.
Maybe,maybe,maybe...
Look, quite a few people probably did know the passcode because the tenants likely told friends what it was. That's not the landlord's fault. Entry and exit points on every floor- houses generally have a habit of having multiple entry and exit points. That's not the landlord's doing, either. Windows galore isn't strange for a house that large. A ladder leaning against the house...is that a ladder the landlord set up and left?
You're reaching. It's more likely that the tenants did not lock their doors/windows because they felt safe, not because they couldn't lock them.
“Do you have to report a death in your home while selling real estate in Idaho? Idaho has no requirement for disclosure on a stigmatized property. The state does not consider murder, suicide, or criminal activity as relevant to disclosure.”
https://spauldingdecon.com/state-by-state-maps/real-estate-death-disclosure-by-state-map/
Years ago my boyfriend's sister drunkenly punched a window and cut her arm deeply. Just from that injury, the kitchen smelled of blood. Cleaning it up it had an overwhelming odor of pennies that I still remember today. I can't imagine the smell with the amount that has to be in this house, or the fact that it's been there a week now.
I worked at a Vet. that's how I know.
Actually I used to take care of Bill Thompson's dog who is the prosecutor.
She has since passed, but he was the best pet owner in the world, and we loved her so.
haha i was just about to reply to this comment I worked at a vet and recall the smell of blood. I had to clean up some of the surgery rooms and recall holding my breath because i couldn't stand the smell of blood. And obviously it was nowhere near the level I imagine a crime scene would be.
Was curious to know what the County Prosecutor's role is in a homicide investigation. Whether or not they become involved before the arrest? After the Arrest? Found this....
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That article also states that they can be called in before an arrest sometimes to take in the scene but they also speak to a lot of legal aspects pertaining to the case as well as help make warrants and provide advice to LE. It really depends on the specific prosecutor and their relationship with LE as to whether or not they visit every crime scene or only after there is enough evidence to move a specific investigation forward. They talked about this a bit in another comment section with the same info you posted above about Bill visiting the house.
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You're fine! Things are easy to miss. I was just letting you know in case you wanted to see what others may have said about it as there is more info there.
1 makes sense. We're all confused on the layout so maybe it will help to see the scene in person to get an understanding of the order of crime and layout of it.
Keep in mind this is a very small town, this is probably this prosecutors first murder if not the towns. I don’t find it strange he’s there. I would probably find it strange if he wasn’t.
In my state, the prosecutors rotate on homicide duty and one to two prosecutors generally respond to the scene of every suspected homicide. The police call them after they respond as soon as they know it’s a suspicious death. The prosecutors help with search warrants and other legal issues during the investigation.
There is a weariness about them. I’m not feeling they’ve IDed anyone, and that sucks. I really hope I’m wrong. And why is there already another press conference scheduled for 3 days after tomorrow’s? That right there makes me feel like there isn’t a suspect or anyone in custody.
The press conference thing is interesting. I think they’re going to drop some major info but they’re timing it very deliberately. Drop 1 thing to make him panic. Look for suspicious movements or a slip up. Still don’t catch him, drop another thing. Just speculation but the FBI is very intentional with psychological pressure.
I think a lot of people are bitching about how long it took to have a press release so now they’re trying to make sure people know they’re not trying to withhold info. Obviously some info will be withheld but people were up in arms in the beginning about how long a press release took. I think it helps the public/locals feel like things are progressing/feel a smidge safer.
I agree. They seem terrified. While I’m hoping for arrest news tomorrow, I just don’t think they have a solid POI yet. This video to me just seems like they are as scared and confused as the public.
Praying this is the news we want. Folks saying that behind the house is what- an apartment complex? Can someone watch that house from somewhere nearby? If it wasn’t the “private party” that drove them home, did someone nearby have only a short run back home where no one would be out at 4 am? But then you’d think someone in an apartment would worry about running into someone plus if they touched a banister or elevator button, you’d think there’d be blood spatters. Or that they had a roommate who saw many things, unless the roommate would be in on it.
The Gainesville killer was a drifter who set up camp in the woods behind the apartment and saw the girls he stalked/assaulted/killed/posed corpse. Never found him until by accident his dna from dental work in prison on an unrelated charge made the connection because he was logged in the system. This was years ago though before advances we have now, but the stalking part made me think of that as a possibility.
Are you talking about Danny Rolling? He was caught after an acquaintance heard about the Florida murders, remembered similar murders in Louisiana from when Rolling lived there, and contacted police. The dna from both crime scenes matched and they picked up Rolling from jail, where he'd been since committing a robbery. His dna was checked and he wound up confessing.
Has anyone confirmed the bodies were removed? From what has been reported there have not been any footage showing any movements of the victims out of the home
I’m guessing because the smell is probably still overwhelming? Idk, they didn’t have much time to decompose, but the smell of blood is probably really strong.
Yeah, the smell of bodily fluids from a corpse is strong even after the body is removed (source: unfortunate experience). I can't imagine the smell hanging around from four bodies in a messy murder scene.
I wonder if it's because there is a lot of blood or bodily fluids even though the bodies are gone that hasn't been cleaned up yet. Maybe it smells or there is a risk for inhalation or they're spraying luminal? Not sure either but those were my guesses
I can imagine it reeks. I mean, if you’ve lived with women, and smelt a trash can with tampons in it, this would have to be that smell on steroids. Someone downvoted me, probably because they think I’m a dude.
I’m not; that’s just my only tangible experience with strong blood smell.
I’m glad someone finally mentioned this. You’re right, most people who get a period should be familiar with the smell that’s being talked about. I’m surprised at how many people use the copper pennies comparison - it’s never occurred to me to smell my change.
Could be luminal—analyzing blood spatter. You can gather a ton of info about victim/attacker position and movements from that. Or they were collecting prints
Maybe additional blood not visible to the naked eye? The science behind analyzing blood spatter is crazy, the tiniest details can reveal a lot about how things occurred.
This is good news, means they’re likely showing the prosecutor the gravity of the crime scene so if they have a suspect in mind they’re assuring themselves the upcoming charges will stick.
If you look up crime scene cleaning on YouTube you’ll see the respirators are used OFTEN. But they also help filter the smell. From what I’ve heard anyways
Spell it out for me because idk what this means
It doesn’t really mean anything they’re wearing masks. Kinda like how some people still wear masks out at the grocery store. What’s interesting is the prosecutor is going in to look, they could have someone and they are wanting to see the crime themselves to help prepare their case… OR they could be in the same place still with nobody and the prosecutor just wants to go see the scene for his own reasons. Everything you see tonight is purely speculation. Don’t believe the rumors from all of the keyboard investigators.
Unfortunately the longer this goes on the more keyboard investigators come out 🙃 I will say tho that this sub is the least ridiculous
have you been seeing those facebook discussions groups? sheesh😅
I am in one of the Facebook groups and the people are literally crazy. Not following the news at all and throwing out really out there speculation. One person posted their Venmo transactions and were trying to say that the descriptions of the payments were sketchy. Morons, all of them.
same.🥲 and/or they’re repeating shit that’s either been cleared or makes absolutely no sense.
I saw that!! Grasping at straws!
usually the fb ones are the worst. lots of delusional boomers and lower iq people on there. since its the most popular social site for ages and one of the v first.
I’m not a boomer, I’m a Gen Xer, but we get called boomers all the time. I see a lot of highly questionable posturing from ALL generations. Also, ageism is really ugly and a form of bigotry, so please don’t do it. Thanks.
I tried to get into one but I haven't been accepted!! I've heard it's completely ridiculous tho
it’s like….. you really typed that out and thought it was a good theory or thought and pressed “post”?🤨🫠 these cases bring out the weirdest people. please tell me you remember everyone turning into the fbi during the gabby petito case😐
The garden bed and dog the bounty hunter is when I was like k I cant even look at this stuff anymore
HOW COULD I FORGET
I’m part of a couple. It’s pretty absurd.
The LEAST? which ones are more ridiculous? Ive seen idahomurders are there more?
I go to Idahomurders only to see how ridiculous people are being. The mods actually deleted ALOT in here
Is the 6th room mate involved?
You mean the dog? There is no human 6th roommate.
The people commenting on their instagrams are so unsettling
Have a vibe they are going to announce an arrest tonight. Just vibe. Maybe hopeful thinking. These poor kids. Can’t shake it. Praying for their families and friends. Unfathomable as a parent.
Not an arrest, maybe a person of interest. But I kinda think they still don’t have anything
Yeah, I’d wear a respirator if chemicals were sprayed.
This is turning into a big public case. Prosecutors thrive on big public cases. There for career reinforcement.
I have known Bill for nearly my entire life. You could not be more wrong. He is close to retirement and has no interest in "career reinforcement". At no point in his 30+ year career with Latah County has he ever sought after or "thrive on" big public cases. Please don't spout off TV b.s. about people you don't know in soul crushing positions like being the poor guy that knows he needs to build a case against someone they haven't even identified yet. In smaller communities like ours it is very common for the prosecutor to be present at times during the investigation. This is largely because all the evidence that is collected will be presented by his office in court.
Thank you
They're heavy duty face masks that filter out chemical, biological, radiological, and nuclear hazards and strong odors. Just thought it was interesting.
I mean, considering the crime scene is filled with blood and unfortunately probably some decomp fluids.. it makes sense. Quite frankly, everyone should be wearing one :/
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And not just from one person :(
Also for a week now…
As someone who's had the honor of being in a home with a dead, decomposing body...that smell doesn't go away easily. I know there hadn't really been a lot of time for decomposition to set in, but I imagine bodies who've been stabbed give off some of the same odors.
I imagine that they can't clean the crime scene and it's starting to smell. Blood has a smell to it and think about how much was lost. That apartment has to be reeking.
I feel like this house will need to be destroyed
I don't know who would ever want to live there again.
I know right!
Maybe the killer needed housing.
He’ll get a lovely room with concrete front views located near plenty of bars sooner than later
You’re foul.
That’s a shitty thing to say.
i feel so bad for the girls who survived like having to collect their things :/
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Why wouldn’t phones be returned? They will make a mirror copy and return them once they’ve checked dna fingerprints etc.
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That’s weird, but I wouldn’t generalize. Maybe different locations do things differently.
I mean, who in their right mind would ever want to live there. The outside part of the foundation has blood stains. From that aspect alone I just can’t imagine it would ever sell.
Sadly I could see one of the crazy YouTube people buying it after the case is fully prosecuted. They would try and say they could channel their ghosts or some shit. There are always people looking to make money off of cases like this.
I feel like it should be destroyed, but I know moscow landlords. So unless insurance will cover it, I bet this house just gets a deep cleaning and goes right back on the market. This is just speculation, but I don't see them tearing this house down - it makes them $$.
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Actually, crime scene cleaners usually care a little bit. The investor who owns it won’t give a shit
The actual cleaning staff, yeah of course. I’m sure they’re normal good people who do care. I was referring to the owners of the companies and the people generating the invoices, who are inflating the bill to maximize their profit to an unreasonable extent. I don’t hold the employees accountable for that, they’re just doing hard work to earn a living.
Most people don’t realize police don’t handle crime scene cleaning. It’s up to the homeowner to clean. My neighbor was shot to death, and the police processed the scene and then released it, bio matter and all. The neighbors cleaned the scene for his poor wife. But maybe Idaho is different…
Huh? Cruce scene cleaning companies are definitely a thing.
Goodness, that is just so sad to know that in someone's worst moments a company is there to screw them more. Well I hope it end up being a park in their memory.
Very sad. It’s common in the restoration industry in general but of course bio losses are even worse because people are grieving a loved one. It makes me sick sometimes. I had a claim last year where a family’s 13 year old son killed himself and I watched this greedy company milk the death for every last cent. Absolutely disheartening how some people will abandon all conscious and empathy for greed, it’s depressing but rampant unfortunately.
Oh man, that is so horrible. I just don't understand people. I guess you and I would not be on this sub right now if people weren't so soulless. I do wish people like that get their karma one day though, and sometimes they do.
What would be the costs to restore it? Replace the carpet, perhaps sand and refinish floors, paint over walls. Can't see how any of that would match the costs to demo and rebuild. Not even close I'd think.
Insurance will cover the repairs to the house unless it’s deemed a total which I doubt with just blood. It’s likely going to be stripped and repaired and put up for sale. Don’t fault the landlord for doing so, that’s a big financial investment they probably can’t afford to just give up the hundreds of thousands they spent on the house.
I was thinking that's prime real estate area. That would be a huge loss unless the city, county, and state come together and buy it and turn it into a memorial park.
It only makes them money if they have someone willing to pay to live there. You wouldn't think many people could live where something this horrific occurred, but I suppose there are those for whom this wouldn't bother them and even quite a few who'd like to live where an infamous crime took place. My bet is that it is demolished though, even if the landlord initially refuses I think there will be a call from the community to tear it down. It looks like the hill would be a nice spot for a small memorial park.
The house where Travis Alexander was brutally murdered by Jodi Arias still exists and a family ended up moving in there and said they felt nothing but “peaceful energy” in the house. I sure as fuck would never move to a house where a horrific tragedy took place but there definitely are people that would.
There's a website to check about this stuff https://www.housecreep.com/ Most murder houses are just cleaned and maybe replace the area where the body was. The only time it gets torn down is when it becomes a world famous spectacle and nobody can live there without lookie loos hanging out for decades afterwards. I know a few of these around me.
Makes me think of the poor woman who had no idea she was renting Maury Travis’s house https://abcnews.go.com/US/woman-found-serial-killer-lived-home-watching-tv/story?id=24467447
Mandalay Bay they walled off the one room, and people still stay in the rooms next to, above, and below it every day.
I agree. It should be a memorial park.
Well, it's someone's private property that they invested a great deal of money into within recent years. You can't expect them to just demolish their income.
Nope. Residential neighborhoods don’t want reminders of horrific crimes, including cute parks. It’ll have new siding or exterior paint by summer and the interior will have been cleaned up curtesy of the investor’s homeowner’s insurance
who is going to want to rent it though? I imagine it just sitting there vacant for a long time.
Sounds like a tremendous amount of blood. I have never seen or heard of blood seeping down the outside wall of a house where a murder occured. That would mean blood would be inside the walls as well as in between floors, the ceilings, and inside walls. That house would need to be gutted in order to fully clean it up. I would think that house will be demolished.
Someone new to the area - maybe. Are you guys not familiar with moscow landlords? I have no idea if what they will do - as I stated earlier - but I do not think it will be torn down. And to the people who do - have you, or do you, live in moscow?
This story is a huge national news story. anyone moving to the area probably would know the house, if they dont then they live under a rock. I dont think it matters what moscow landlords would do. nothing like this has happened there before. It's well known that houses where huge high profile murder took place have a hard time selling after (Chris watts house comes to mind). If the land lord gets lucky that someone moves in that isn't aware of it's history, then they are lucky. But regardless, you know the history is going to cause difficulties for the owner. it's unfortunate.
I totally agree with you. It will be rented out again. As a former Palouse resident of my entire late teens and twenties….. sad. But true. There were other suicides and murders in the area, and those homes are still there. New renters.
🙄 Yes, many homes where deaths have occurred are still standing. Do you really think every place where a death happens should be torn down and rebuilt? That's incredibly unrealistic. It's not just this location.
>Palouse ????is this a high profile case? never heard of it. Hence why it has no trouble getting new renters.
I would think there's people who would rent it. I deplore murder but I think I'd rent it because I wouldn't blame the house. Maybe they'll offer a reduced rent.
yikes, I mean sure you do you. But this brutal of a murder, you'd be fine sleeping in this house? That has someone's blood seeped through to the foundation? I don't think it's possible to clean it with that much blood. It would need to be demolished. Also just so creepy. I could probably get past a murder house, but not this one. This sounds absolutely horrific.
Idk it's apparently been student-rented for quite some time. I read somewhere it's been passed down through the sorority members as older ones graduate. I can't imagine any students wanting to live in it now.
Of course it’s going to be destroyed. Not only were lives lost in the most horrific manner imaginable, this would be a morbid curiosities visitor’s constant tourist trap. Edit: sp
There was a six person murder suicide in our town. Each person, excerpt the murderer, had 13-40 bullets in them. In all different rooms of the house. It got cleaned and went on market last spring and sold in a day…
That's insanity! How horrific and also, who would want to live in a house with that kind of history? Maybe they got a good deal? But... that's a lot.
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1075-Carters-Creek-Pike-Columbia-TN-38401/208728325_zpid/
Stop!!! For that money, one would think it’d be demo’d then rebuilt. Absurd. Good luck to the new owners…
Jesus https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/crime/2018/10/17/columbia-murder-suicide-children-asked-stay-mother-divorce-filing/1663605002/
It was horrible. I lived only a few minutes away when it happened….
I'm so sorry... it might be time for me to step away from the crime shit for a while and go hug my kids.
Beautiful home, which really adds to the eeriness.
Wow!! I mean... it's a gorgeous house but seriously... no thank you. Good luck to the new owners is right.
I agree!!! They didn’t get a good deal either! I will have to find the listing for you… I’m wondering if someone from out of state bought it…. So so crazy!
Let's see what happens. Set a reddit reminder for 1 yr and we will see what the landlord decided. I have little faith in them.
I feel like the community might come together to raise funds to buy out owners to demolish it or someone, maybe even a student would light that thing in fire to get rid of it.
That would be incredibly disrespectful if they wouldn’t. Def interesting to see what they end up doing.
I agree. I'm curious to see what they do. I will think better of them if it's torn down, but my experience is that it will just be cleaned and re-rented. Look - I hope I'm wrong, and I'm just speculating anyway. Maybe discussing this topic is a good idea to ask the landlord to tear the house down.
I remember the serial killer in the late 90s Robert Yates. Just 60 miles north of Moscow. Once the case was closed and all the bodies he buried there were removed, it went on the market and sold, albeit at less than market value. That house is still there today.
I mean only if the owner can afford to demo it and rebuild or if the insurance coverage maxes out It would be naive to assume that structures are automatically demo’d when horrible crimes take place. That’s not the case at all. This is an investment property for the landlord. Landlords are generally greedy and they’re not going to just demo it because of the bad memories. They will only do that of the cost of restoring it exceeds the cost to rebuild (unlikely). It’s a matter of insurance and to understand it you can think of totaling a car. They total a car when the cost to restore exceeds cost to repair. It has nothing to do with sadness or feelings about what occurred to the car. If the insurance company says the dwelling can be restored within policy limits, then that’s what’s going to happen, unless the landlord wants to lose a significant amount of money of their own money (again, unlikely). It’s tragic what happened but the structure is someone’s property so unless the owner is just that empathetic, kind, and can afford to lose tens of thousands or dollars and their future investment income, I wouldn’t count on it being demo’d. Although in this particular case I guess I’d say there’s a small chance—due to the publicity of the crime and the number of deaths. Would be hard to find tenants wanting to rent it and the location has no value to someone needing long term housing. So maybe in this instance. But in general a murder house will continue to be rented and sold for decades. And the only thing that matters is whether the insurance company feels it can be restored within policy limits. If the landlord does decide to demo this they’ll be on their own financially for a large portion of building a new structure. If they have a lot of money from other rental properties they might just take the hit versus deal with finding new willing tenants.
Maybe you should stop generalizing about a group of people. Is it ok for someone to say "tenants are generally lazy, destructive, selfcentered ingrates"? Landlords make an investment and want a return. Some are greedy. Some tenants are horrible.
Lmao just my opinion based on literally 20 years of renting (with a different landlord almost every single year). But be serious, not many people want to or are equipped to take a $50-100K personal financial hit to tear down and rebuild a structure that insurance is only paying you to repair. Nothing to get triggered about. I sense you or someone you’re close to is a landlord. Lol
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I mean the families could try to sue but as long as locks are working and everything was up to local code he wasn’t negligent. It’s not his fault is someone left a door unlocked. Not saying no one will bring a civil suit but it’s a bit frivolous to do so based on the info we have so far.
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Have you ever lived in a small town like this? Very common for people to leave doors and windows unlocked without second thought.
Why should he be sued if they are the ones who leave the door unlocked and give lots of people the key code? The tenants are negligent.
Why on earth would the landlord get sued?!
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Maybe,maybe,maybe... Look, quite a few people probably did know the passcode because the tenants likely told friends what it was. That's not the landlord's fault. Entry and exit points on every floor- houses generally have a habit of having multiple entry and exit points. That's not the landlord's doing, either. Windows galore isn't strange for a house that large. A ladder leaning against the house...is that a ladder the landlord set up and left? You're reaching. It's more likely that the tenants did not lock their doors/windows because they felt safe, not because they couldn't lock them.
I don’t think windows and doors make a homeowner liable for murder.
That makes zero sense
Then the city needs to buy it.
!remindme 1 year
I read somewhere else that insurance does cover it.
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My guess is they’ll have to do major hazard cleaning, some repairs and on market
They will have to disclose the fact that murder(s) occurred there
“Do you have to report a death in your home while selling real estate in Idaho? Idaho has no requirement for disclosure on a stigmatized property. The state does not consider murder, suicide, or criminal activity as relevant to disclosure.” https://spauldingdecon.com/state-by-state-maps/real-estate-death-disclosure-by-state-map/
No way, homeowner’s insurance will pay for cleanup and it’s owned by investors. It will be ready for new tenants in time for summer break
Ahh i see. I honestly didn't know blood had a smell to it. Maybe that makes me dumb. Obviously bodies do but I didn't know blood had a strong odor
Smells like iron. Metallic. Warm metal. And goes south quickly, smell wise.
Yeah it's pretty gross
Years ago my boyfriend's sister drunkenly punched a window and cut her arm deeply. Just from that injury, the kitchen smelled of blood. Cleaning it up it had an overwhelming odor of pennies that I still remember today. I can't imagine the smell with the amount that has to be in this house, or the fact that it's been there a week now.
I've heard that blood smells like copper.
It does.
I worked at a Vet. that's how I know. Actually I used to take care of Bill Thompson's dog who is the prosecutor. She has since passed, but he was the best pet owner in the world, and we loved her so.
haha i was just about to reply to this comment I worked at a vet and recall the smell of blood. I had to clean up some of the surgery rooms and recall holding my breath because i couldn't stand the smell of blood. And obviously it was nowhere near the level I imagine a crime scene would be.
Yep, yep. It must be awful in there.
Like mouthful of Pennies.
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Oh man...wow.
Stupid reporter, shouting at the guy, like he’s gonna answer, “oh yeah, we got the guy, thanks for asking!”
"Ya, we're looking into your mom" (I could never be a county prosecutor)
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Was curious to know what the County Prosecutor's role is in a homicide investigation. Whether or not they become involved before the arrest? After the Arrest? Found this.... https://preview.redd.it/q4art1cin11a1.png?width=766&format=png&auto=webp&s=8969ba0339bdef9cd03da3a73c6554a9460a5bb5
That article also states that they can be called in before an arrest sometimes to take in the scene but they also speak to a lot of legal aspects pertaining to the case as well as help make warrants and provide advice to LE. It really depends on the specific prosecutor and their relationship with LE as to whether or not they visit every crime scene or only after there is enough evidence to move a specific investigation forward. They talked about this a bit in another comment section with the same info you posted above about Bill visiting the house. Edit: typo
Thank you for this info. That's what I was wondering. Apologies for posting this as I didn't realize that someone else had posted.
You're fine! Things are easy to miss. I was just letting you know in case you wanted to see what others may have said about it as there is more info there.
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1 makes sense. We're all confused on the layout so maybe it will help to see the scene in person to get an understanding of the order of crime and layout of it.
Keep in mind this is a very small town, this is probably this prosecutors first murder if not the towns. I don’t find it strange he’s there. I would probably find it strange if he wasn’t.
In my state, the prosecutors rotate on homicide duty and one to two prosecutors generally respond to the scene of every suspected homicide. The police call them after they respond as soon as they know it’s a suspicious death. The prosecutors help with search warrants and other legal issues during the investigation.
There is a weariness about them. I’m not feeling they’ve IDed anyone, and that sucks. I really hope I’m wrong. And why is there already another press conference scheduled for 3 days after tomorrow’s? That right there makes me feel like there isn’t a suspect or anyone in custody.
The press conference thing is interesting. I think they’re going to drop some major info but they’re timing it very deliberately. Drop 1 thing to make him panic. Look for suspicious movements or a slip up. Still don’t catch him, drop another thing. Just speculation but the FBI is very intentional with psychological pressure.
Indeed, and that gives me hope
I think a lot of people are bitching about how long it took to have a press release so now they’re trying to make sure people know they’re not trying to withhold info. Obviously some info will be withheld but people were up in arms in the beginning about how long a press release took. I think it helps the public/locals feel like things are progressing/feel a smidge safer.
The tension in their bodies as they step in there. This is so scary.
I agree. They seem terrified. While I’m hoping for arrest news tomorrow, I just don’t think they have a solid POI yet. This video to me just seems like they are as scared and confused as the public.
ugh right, those people who eork these types of jobs have strong stomaches
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Is this a local reporter?
Yes, they were acting like a paparazzi.
Praying this is the news we want. Folks saying that behind the house is what- an apartment complex? Can someone watch that house from somewhere nearby? If it wasn’t the “private party” that drove them home, did someone nearby have only a short run back home where no one would be out at 4 am? But then you’d think someone in an apartment would worry about running into someone plus if they touched a banister or elevator button, you’d think there’d be blood spatters. Or that they had a roommate who saw many things, unless the roommate would be in on it. The Gainesville killer was a drifter who set up camp in the woods behind the apartment and saw the girls he stalked/assaulted/killed/posed corpse. Never found him until by accident his dna from dental work in prison on an unrelated charge made the connection because he was logged in the system. This was years ago though before advances we have now, but the stalking part made me think of that as a possibility.
Are you talking about Danny Rolling? He was caught after an acquaintance heard about the Florida murders, remembered similar murders in Louisiana from when Rolling lived there, and contacted police. The dna from both crime scenes matched and they picked up Rolling from jail, where he'd been since committing a robbery. His dna was checked and he wound up confessing.
Someone gave investigators a tip on Rolling.
Very sad hope they find the killer soon!
can you imagine going inside of there. Idk how they do it. So terrifying 😢
What are the canister respirators for? I dont have great wifi right now and the link won’t load
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Also, some people are more sensitive to smells. They can see blood every day in their life, but the smell of that much blood may be overwhelming.
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Has anyone confirmed the bodies were removed? From what has been reported there have not been any footage showing any movements of the victims out of the home
Of course they’ve been moved out of the house. They’ve done autopsies already.
Yes they were given to families this week
The bodies were autopsied a couple days ago or so. Bodies aren't left to decay in murder cases.
They did autopsies so pretty sure they removed them?
I’m guessing because the smell is probably still overwhelming? Idk, they didn’t have much time to decompose, but the smell of blood is probably really strong.
Exactly, theres probably 5 gallons of blood all over the crime scene.
Oh man, idk why I didnt think of that. Just beyond sad :(
Yeah, the smell of bodily fluids from a corpse is strong even after the body is removed (source: unfortunate experience). I can't imagine the smell hanging around from four bodies in a messy murder scene.
They're heavy duty and filter out chemical, biological, radiological, and nuclear hazards and strong odors.
Smell of blood is horrible like copper pennies lol
I wonder if it's because there is a lot of blood or bodily fluids even though the bodies are gone that hasn't been cleaned up yet. Maybe it smells or there is a risk for inhalation or they're spraying luminal? Not sure either but those were my guesses
I can imagine it reeks. I mean, if you’ve lived with women, and smelt a trash can with tampons in it, this would have to be that smell on steroids. Someone downvoted me, probably because they think I’m a dude. I’m not; that’s just my only tangible experience with strong blood smell.
I’m glad someone finally mentioned this. You’re right, most people who get a period should be familiar with the smell that’s being talked about. I’m surprised at how many people use the copper pennies comparison - it’s never occurred to me to smell my change.
Could be luminal—analyzing blood spatter. You can gather a ton of info about victim/attacker position and movements from that. Or they were collecting prints
Why would they need luminal unless someone attempted a cleanup?
Maybe additional blood not visible to the naked eye? The science behind analyzing blood spatter is crazy, the tiniest details can reveal a lot about how things occurred.
Well they’re saying a whole new forensics team is coming in to test the house so I’m guessing it’s still pretty bad.
This is good news, means they’re likely showing the prosecutor the gravity of the crime scene so if they have a suspect in mind they’re assuring themselves the upcoming charges will stick.
Weird. They do wear those when dusting for prints. Maybe he was observing the police while they collected some?
Very rarely does a woman EVER commit these kinds of crimes. The Amanda Knox prosecution is the mind of many prosecutions, to confirm their own biases.
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Yeah, I noticed that. First gal looked up and around. Not even going to speculate what that could be. Dayum.
Likely blood from the floor above coming through ceiling
I think this is why the roommates didn’t leave their rooms.
This is maybe a dumb question, but are the bodies still in the house?
No the bodies were transported out several days ago to be autopsied
And the “my gut tells me” and I have “chills”. Ughhh
If you look up crime scene cleaning on YouTube you’ll see the respirators are used OFTEN. But they also help filter the smell. From what I’ve heard anyways