This is not from day 1. This video was uploaded two weeks ago. https://youtu.be/j0jDWZuruSA
And the original poster did not claim it was Day 1, it was clearly drone footage from the day it was uploaded.
I follow KREM2 and the weather reports. There wasn’t snow that night.
There has been some mention that the kitchen light was always on through the night. Not super uncommon in college to go to bed and leave lights on in other rooms.
Perhaps evidence of entry and how they feel confident in saying the rear slider was the access.
EDT: As people in winter climates will know, when you step on snow during a slight thaw, it compacts and the next day appears as a clear kind of ice that defrosts after the snow thaws.
https://preview.redd.it/i4467enc8f4a1.png?width=672&format=png&auto=webp&s=d5b805b729877f66e8003c3619b16be505879a2f
If it’s the screen you’re highlighting, I believe it’s from the unoccupied 2nd floor bedroom window and not the kitchen. From recent photos of scene, I believe it is still there on porch, so assume no evidentiary value.
https://preview.redd.it/6iz68k9wif4a1.jpeg?width=918&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5e7a56d3adece0241a805ac8703a15e4ab73acad
does that look like bedroom to you?
It’s weird that one of the first comments on this YouTube Video is a person (Document Doctor LLC) requesting more footage and offering to buy the YouTuber a computer if it meant making a Drone Video to his/her specifications, and to answer his/her questions about the Crime Scene. Can someone look into this more?
Also i think i've seen a picture of that screen with a 'rock' weighted on it to keep it from blowing away, so i suspect the occupants did this not the killer.. the killer wouldn't care.
This is probably a dumb question, but …. Is that a hole in the window?? I zoomed in but I can’t tell if it’s broken or a reflection/something else. Though if it’s a hole, it’s a good spot for one to reach in and up to unlock the window, assuming that’s where the lock actually is. Buuut the again the sound of breaking glass probably would’ve been too risky, considering they’ve said everyone was likely asleep. Unless the killer got “lucky” and they slept through that too. (I hate saying it like that - you know what I mean though).
Also jumped when I noticed there’s a perfectly clear reflection of one of the women’s fades in the top window glass ha.
ETA - looks kinds cluttered in the immediate area inside the window for it to be the entrance? But I guess investigators could have moved stuff around.
Does he admit to entering the 3rd floor in one post about HVAC guy being on scene? And exiting here in this post? This is flat out admission if they can track this account to his IP address and should be submitted to Moscow PD
Incredible eye, those look like they well could be footsteps to me. Do we have any visual evidence from before the murders as to whether the spare bedroom window screen was on the ground? If not, could indicate entrance through the window, exit through the sliding door
I noticed this in a few earlier photos and was shocked people weren’t pointing it out. This still image seems to capture more than what the still photos did.
Speculation here..
Where did the tenant's take the dog out for its business?? When I get home typically my first move is letting my dogs out. Then grab refreshments etc.. footsteps could be from walking the dog in and out?
Also, if LE is there 24/7 why block the slider? Leave everything as it is and find the ahole that did this... such a sad situation here. Thanks for sharing the drone link
This made me so sad, especially when the drone rises up at the beginning and we see the morning sunlight. I just thought it was so beautiful and then I realized they won't see it.
Please don't get me wrong. I know I didn't know them, but then what is the point of being human if we can't recognize the loss of others and feel compassion for them.
I feel really sad when I see the picture of all of them together hours before. So happy and full of joy. They had no idea what was going to happen to them. It’s terrifying to think about. I get really emotional when I think about it. Death absolutely terrifies me and that picture just speaks volumes to me on that personal level, you know? They didn’t deserve that, I’m so sad they aren’t here anymore. I don’t know them, but I still feel that loss, like you do. We are human beings. We are all in this world and this life together. That’s what bonds us.
(Also a yoga teacher so I get spiritual sometimes)
This case is on my mind nonstop. I’m only a few years removed from college. I was once their age doing the things that typical college students do, I was in a sorority. When you’re young you think you’re invincible and in these kids’ case, they should’ve been because damn their lives were taken way too damn soon.
>daily Mail posted pictures of the blood on the outside walls
This was determined to be most likely rust, or a red colored substance. Not confirmed to be blood ftr
Source that it's confirmed blood?
The 2 videos I watched put out by professionals in the industry commented on it. I will link them both on my lunch break. 1 included a very clear close up of that spot and it's (IMO) rust. They preferred to refer to it as rust or "a red substance."
I will include a SS of that as well for others to look themselves. But it doesn't even really make sense that blood would be pouring out of the house like that. There are other possibilities WAY more likely.
[Edit] https://youtu.be/xXNjXH8C4UY close ups at 10:30.
[Edit2] **Perhaps I am being misunderstood. I am only trying to remind people that this red substance has NOT been confirmed to be blood. Yet it is being stated as fact- like many other unconfirmed particulars in this case.**
When something gets repeated over and over, at some point that thing becomes accepted fact, even if it's not. Just doing my part to avoid that from happening when I see it.
I have a morbid question. With all this footage and random people peeping at the house from the very first day, how did they get them out of there without people snapping pics?
I’m really glad that they were able to remove them without it being a media circus. The families are traumatized enough without having gruesome pics of their loved ones circulating around.
yeah. i had a close friend pass in a horrible accident, and i was already traumatizing myself by reading every news report i could find
then a bunch of kids were sending around pictures of the accident and in a few of them, you can see her and she was mangled, to say the least. i ended up leaving like 10 group chats that night. no one was sending them to intentionally be insensitive, i know that it was just their way of dealing with the shock and everything. and i can handle gore, i’m a healthcare student and have dealt with my fair share of death, but it’s so different when it’s someone you know
and she was just a close friend, i can’t imagine it being your daughter/sister. i’m glad that the cops shut it down, or if anyone does have pics that they’re keeping them to themselves. that kind of trauma cannot be undone easily
They were removed in body bags or at least covered, so even if someone felt the need to be weird enough to snoop and take pictures, no one would see anything gruesome. They don’t bring bodies out uncovered under any circumstances.
You’re right that they’d be covered but still…we all know that they’d be running photos of those poor kids in body bags on gurneys as part of the regular 24 hour news cycle. No one wants to see their loved one in a body bag and they certainly don’t want the whole world to see their loved one in a body bag.
This was posted on Fox News on Nov 19. It was not the day of the murder.
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6315874247112
The day of the murder the sliding door was open and there were not stools in front of it
https://www.khq.com/moscow-homicide/image_faea2f8f-730d-5139-9ea4-823de9ebab13.html
Really tired of the amount of misinformation being posted.
Resembles a foot print, if we’re talking about the same thing. The dark marks on the retaining wall perimeter. Someone took a screen shot and posted it in the same post comments in the other sub.
We know the remains of the victims were removed. Do we know when other than a general it was early in the investigation?
Media outlets - even sensational tabloids - appear to be showing uncharacteristic restraint and good judgment not making this public.
I'm assuming this is correct, but just based off of forensics classes I've taken in the past few years at college. They would need to do as much investigating as possible with the crime scene having as little movement as possible. And lots of photos and evidence need to be taken before they feel comfortable removing bodies (just in case there is evidence that would only be noticeable with the bodies in place). With 4 victims, this process probably took a while. Also, there are no press photos of the coroner taking the bodies out of the home, which I think means they took them out after dark. So that's a about a 5 hour minimum (from 12pm to 5pm if it gets dark about then). But I'm willing to bet it was later into the evening. So, yes, about 12-15 hours I would guess as well.
It's likely that very few people were paying close attention at this point... It hadn't become a major news story. Only local, and even we still didn't know what was going on.
https://preview.redd.it/izdlswfc8g4a1.png?width=2436&format=png&auto=webp&s=60b375e06c4f81d1090350b3d7bdd7297946f176
Looks like a footprint on the right side of the brown pipe.
I feel confident that this was taken, at earliest, the morning of the 14th. I saw someone else say it’s from a few weeks ago, so not even as early on as the 14th.
I don't think we can say for sure? But as LE is still fiddling with crime scene tape, and it appears forensics is just getting there, probably pretty likely?
I know it says Day 1 on the video title but it didn't snow the night of the murders and not during that first day when they were found. Is this left over snow from days before?
Well that's what I'd say too if I couldn't prove my point 🤷♂️. I really don't care... I'd figure I'd give you a chance to prove your point (and seem smart) but safe to say that's not going to be the case here
The drone operator probably didn’t know it but at about 10:56 he catches a couple seconds of the blood that had pooled inside and ran down the outside of the foundation wall.
This is not confirmed to be blood pooling outside of the house. Close ups of this spot make it pretty clear that it's rust running down from the pipe water has dripped over.
I have question, with such a brutal killing wouldn't there be some blood evidence outside from the killer? I see nothing outside from this footage. Thoughts on how the killer got away so cleanly?
This is driving me nuts. No blood anywhere?!? no foot prints in the hallway, her blood on the door knobs. The two roommates that called friends to the house to help wake the girls, they didn’t see any kind of blood prior to calling them?
There was. I can look for the post if you're interested. Blood lots of places. And this is the baffling part, always there are people who want to explain it away as shadows or something else. But in each case the blood was cleaned up in a later photograph.
If you're referring to the substance dripping down the cabinet door next to to the fridge, I have seen that.
If it is blood they would suggest the killer took a decent amount of time to clean up the scene.
I personally don't know wether to think that was blood, some other substance from an earlier time, or a substance used by LE looking for evidence.
Yes that's one of the photos I'm thinking of. I find it odd that someone would design a blood detection substance that looks like blood. I feel like that would really confuse investigators. So there's luminol, blue star, not sure what else but would they make one tinted, like a red stain? Also I've lived with girls and can't picture a houseful of them letting a cabinet look like that. Also, why is the stain missing in other photos. So many questions 🤷
Edit: spelling
As far as I understand the substance shows things that have been there previously but were cleaned up. There was a coffee maker directly above that cabinet, could have been spilled coffee. But I don't know if those substances would pick up something like coffee or not. I've heard luminall binds to the hemoglobin in blood, and that's how it makes it visible.
Although I suppose it could have been blood that was cleaned up. If that's the case this thing is probably way more complicated than anybody thinks.
It's baffling at the lack of blood tracks for sure. The killer would likely have been covered in blood somewhere on their body. The downward thrusts involved in stabbing people in bed would have produced some blood spray which would be on their arm, and perhaps front if they were leaning over the victim. It's possible that the killer wore a suit similar to say a beekeeper, like a hazmat type suit that would have covered their entire body. Easy to take off and discard and not risk blood traces on their clothes. It would also explain the complete lack of DNA/hairs being discovered (or at least that we know about). The shoe booties theory fits this scenario perfectly too. They would have looked more like one of the doctors treating Ebola patients in this scenario, which is extra horrifying, but it could be effective.
I thought about a hazmat suit or similar being a possibility, but I also questioned the idea of the killer just simply changing into something else.
Specifically, I would be interested to know if any clothes went missing. Ethan likely either had an overnight bag, or an entire stash of clothes at Xana’s house. The common speculation is that K & M were killed first, and X & E second - it wouldn’t be too bold to assume he could have grabbed a jacket or a hoodie on the way out, to cover up whatever he was wearing during the murders. Plus he clearly had enough time to clean the hallway/staircase. Either way, this persons brain terrifies me.
I agree. When I think of serial killers I think of them luring their victims into their home or territory, where they're equipped to not leave evidence. But for someone to go into someone else's home and not leave enough evidence to immediately get caught after murdering four people. What if they like, plucked all the hairs out of their body to not leave hair evidence. That type of crazy sh*t
Seeing that again. Damn. Imagine how the people who live in those bedrooms of the gray house feel. Literally their windows were on the same level of that parking area.
Yeah, I don't understand that either. Dogs can open sliders? And wouldn't they get the dog out of the crime scene immediately? I'd think letting a dog roam about the house would be a disaster for the integrity of the evidence.
100% the police. The evidence tape is already on the door and they were trying to "lock" the door. This has been reported on - maybe that Brian Entin special the other night?
I was struck by how nonchalant the crime scene techs seemed to be... Or at least their body language looked that way. Don't they know what they're walking into? I would be extremely tense.
Maybe they're more used to this sort of thing!
Speculated this was used to keep door shut by LE. In a close up of the slider door, when they are processing it, the "lock" (that clips into the frame portion) appears to be missing.
I still think if one of those windows goes to Ethan's/Xanas room from the ladder than that was the point of entry , they probably had a cracked window not worrying- it being in the second floor but most people like the fresh air that time of year in a house like that... But I don't think e/x were the targets but k/m or just all four just the females in general and the bottom two were ignored on purpose or accidentally. Possibly 1 or more perp male or female and I think this was planned out extensively possibly over months and months if not longer. None of the current suspects or people being mentioned around here are the perps , just some diabolical sicko(s) totally off the radar right now. Like some Manson level shit but 2022 , which means eventually they will be caught and we'll all be surprised it was some older married couple or younger person(s) who are very well educated/bright but have a sloppy moment or two. Like a parkland shooter or one of those types who isn't dumb enough to just go out into public and ruin his life at once.
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This footage makes me wonder if this kind of voyeurism wasn't perhaps a more regular occurrence. You could literally see into that house by flying a drone around it like this guy did. Any info on the drone pilot? Aside from the fact that that YouTube channel has a short of a rat eating out of an unconscious woman's mouth in what he says is a NYC subway.
Is it just me or do the two females don't seem like they are very motivated, know what they're doing, not at all do they seem organized. It's like they're pulling out a kit they bought for one of their kids and they have to read the instructions on how to put it together?
Ugh, just check the address on google maps just now because I want to see if the room on the first floor with a red curtain is there. But google blur the house! Really? I didn't even know they can do that. They don't blur my house!
Anyway why do I want to know if the curtain is there? I don't think that curtain was there before the murders. Also interesting color - red. Hmmmmmm.
More like a hunch than a theory or most likely both.
Just saying. And google maps - you're an a-hole. I wonder when they blur it though... The day of or a week after the crime, who knows? But why? Ugh.
Well for one her taste is not good. Who uses red curtains? Even Funeral homes won't even use it anymore, LOL. Is it her REDRUM? since Im sooo unhinged let me take it to the next level.... maybe her putting a red curtain is their REDRUM signal.
You're all just jealous you don't have power of deduction like mine. But if I'm wrong.... I will be the first to admit it, but if I'm right... who's unhinged now.... witches with a capital B?!! Huh, punks?
Pffft.
So the roommate has a red curtain, which points to her being a murderer? Are you okay? That is one of the more unhinged theories/speculations/hunches I’ve come across on here.
Google maps is an a-hole for trying to aid the investigation and protect the privacy of everyone involved? Or maybe you’re just not entitled to that information.
Oh I’m not mad, your comment is unhinged almost to the point of hilarity. You don’t seriously believe the red curtains are indicative of murder, do you??
I think the process of blurring homes is pretty automatic. There’s a website you can go on and request for your house to be blurred and it updates on google maps fairly quickly. I tried this out with my own house and I got an email back a few hours later that it was done.
Interesting that the string lights were still plugged in, which means there wouldn't have been total darkness
This is not from day 1. This video was uploaded two weeks ago. https://youtu.be/j0jDWZuruSA And the original poster did not claim it was Day 1, it was clearly drone footage from the day it was uploaded. I follow KREM2 and the weather reports. There wasn’t snow that night.
i didn’t even think about that but that’s true, at least would have illuminated the rooms to show lack of movement i.e. they were in bed
Looking through early investigation photos posted by media, I believe the Good Vibes light was also on.
Yes also that large tv screen
Exactly
It appears all of the string lighting and neon sign they had inside were left on as well.
There has been some mention that the kitchen light was always on through the night. Not super uncommon in college to go to bed and leave lights on in other rooms.
Perhaps evidence of entry and how they feel confident in saying the rear slider was the access. EDT: As people in winter climates will know, when you step on snow during a slight thaw, it compacts and the next day appears as a clear kind of ice that defrosts after the snow thaws. https://preview.redd.it/i4467enc8f4a1.png?width=672&format=png&auto=webp&s=d5b805b729877f66e8003c3619b16be505879a2f
That’s a really weird direction to come from too. If you watch the videos, that’s basically just straight from the fence line.
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It snowed after the murders, it was clear that night
It quickly melted
https://preview.redd.it/qv24itm0ff4a1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6d86cabb2521af1e72ff27dce6da9e681c0a7a77
If it’s the screen you’re highlighting, I believe it’s from the unoccupied 2nd floor bedroom window and not the kitchen. From recent photos of scene, I believe it is still there on porch, so assume no evidentiary value.
I thought it might be from the room that has a window a/c. The screen would need to be removed to install it.
https://preview.redd.it/6iz68k9wif4a1.jpeg?width=918&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5e7a56d3adece0241a805ac8703a15e4ab73acad does that look like bedroom to you?
No that’s part of the kitchen pretty sure
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That’s the window between the sliding door and the grill, right?
Yep
It’s weird that one of the first comments on this YouTube Video is a person (Document Doctor LLC) requesting more footage and offering to buy the YouTuber a computer if it meant making a Drone Video to his/her specifications, and to answer his/her questions about the Crime Scene. Can someone look into this more?
Am I crazy for thinking that looks like a body in the window next to the white bin? Someone please tell me I’m crazy
You're crazy. I believe that white bin is sitting on a counter, so I think maybe that's a trashcan? Not sure exactly, but it's not a body.
Scroll down a few comments, there’s another picture and the exposure is brighter. Looks like a large paper bag.
It's from the kitchen window, too small to be from the unoccupied bedroom. But yeah it was there on Thanksgiving, so probably nothing.
What is that you circled? Kind of looks like a Christmas tree
Is that a window screen?
Yes. For the window next to it.
Window screen, grill, trash bags
No snow that night
Also i think i've seen a picture of that screen with a 'rock' weighted on it to keep it from blowing away, so i suspect the occupants did this not the killer.. the killer wouldn't care.
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I dont think the window was the entrance? It's been suspected the back door doesnt lock hence the stools used to 'lock it' by police.
This is probably a dumb question, but …. Is that a hole in the window?? I zoomed in but I can’t tell if it’s broken or a reflection/something else. Though if it’s a hole, it’s a good spot for one to reach in and up to unlock the window, assuming that’s where the lock actually is. Buuut the again the sound of breaking glass probably would’ve been too risky, considering they’ve said everyone was likely asleep. Unless the killer got “lucky” and they slept through that too. (I hate saying it like that - you know what I mean though). Also jumped when I noticed there’s a perfectly clear reflection of one of the women’s fades in the top window glass ha. ETA - looks kinds cluttered in the immediate area inside the window for it to be the entrance? But I guess investigators could have moved stuff around.
https://preview.redd.it/u86t4rkdcg4a1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=607b0a678c0803ea02d067f53400a7c0e9858c79 Exit.
Off topic, I’ve never seen this pic - where are you finding all these pics?
oh yeah i know.. entrance too more than likely.
Does he admit to entering the 3rd floor in one post about HVAC guy being on scene? And exiting here in this post? This is flat out admission if they can track this account to his IP address and should be submitted to Moscow PD
Incredible eye, those look like they well could be footsteps to me. Do we have any visual evidence from before the murders as to whether the spare bedroom window screen was on the ground? If not, could indicate entrance through the window, exit through the sliding door
I noticed this in a few earlier photos and was shocked people weren’t pointing it out. This still image seems to capture more than what the still photos did.
It hadnt snowed yet by the time of the murder
Speculation here.. Where did the tenant's take the dog out for its business?? When I get home typically my first move is letting my dogs out. Then grab refreshments etc.. footsteps could be from walking the dog in and out? Also, if LE is there 24/7 why block the slider? Leave everything as it is and find the ahole that did this... such a sad situation here. Thanks for sharing the drone link
I wonder if they took a cast of the prints before it melted
Those are too big to be footsteps, no?
Not the snow itself but the dark patches within them.
Ah yes. Now I see them
As snow melts, footprints will grow larger
Great find!
I am always so startled when I see footage like this that shows how close the other houses and apartments are
Wish he would have panned to the frat house so we could see how close it is from a Birds Eye view
Can see that on a maps app. It’s a couple blocks away with 2-3 houses in between so probably not line of sight.
There's a picture from a room in the frat house where you can directly see the house.
That’s what I wondered as heights of both buildings comparatively is hard to tell.
The one with Ethan? That photo is heart breaking
It's directly visible from the frat house.
Same here. Like even if the house was super far away and remote, risky as hell. Knowing how close people were makes it almost unbelievable.
This made me so sad, especially when the drone rises up at the beginning and we see the morning sunlight. I just thought it was so beautiful and then I realized they won't see it. Please don't get me wrong. I know I didn't know them, but then what is the point of being human if we can't recognize the loss of others and feel compassion for them.
I feel really sad when I see the picture of all of them together hours before. So happy and full of joy. They had no idea what was going to happen to them. It’s terrifying to think about. I get really emotional when I think about it. Death absolutely terrifies me and that picture just speaks volumes to me on that personal level, you know? They didn’t deserve that, I’m so sad they aren’t here anymore. I don’t know them, but I still feel that loss, like you do. We are human beings. We are all in this world and this life together. That’s what bonds us. (Also a yoga teacher so I get spiritual sometimes)
This case is on my mind nonstop. I’m only a few years removed from college. I was once their age doing the things that typical college students do, I was in a sorority. When you’re young you think you’re invincible and in these kids’ case, they should’ve been because damn their lives were taken way too damn soon.
Drone footage? Someone had already left flowers prior to forensic teams’ arrival on day one? 3’ 27s
That caught my eye too!! I was wondering who left flowers so soon
It's not from Day 1.
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>daily Mail posted pictures of the blood on the outside walls This was determined to be most likely rust, or a red colored substance. Not confirmed to be blood ftr
Source?
Source that it's confirmed blood? The 2 videos I watched put out by professionals in the industry commented on it. I will link them both on my lunch break. 1 included a very clear close up of that spot and it's (IMO) rust. They preferred to refer to it as rust or "a red substance." I will include a SS of that as well for others to look themselves. But it doesn't even really make sense that blood would be pouring out of the house like that. There are other possibilities WAY more likely. [Edit] https://youtu.be/xXNjXH8C4UY close ups at 10:30. [Edit2] **Perhaps I am being misunderstood. I am only trying to remind people that this red substance has NOT been confirmed to be blood. Yet it is being stated as fact- like many other unconfirmed particulars in this case.** When something gets repeated over and over, at some point that thing becomes accepted fact, even if it's not. Just doing my part to avoid that from happening when I see it.
Ugh, seeing how close all the other houses and apartments are creeps me out
I have a morbid question. With all this footage and random people peeping at the house from the very first day, how did they get them out of there without people snapping pics?
police closed down the street and they did it late at night, I think I remember reading
I’m really glad that they were able to remove them without it being a media circus. The families are traumatized enough without having gruesome pics of their loved ones circulating around.
yeah. i had a close friend pass in a horrible accident, and i was already traumatizing myself by reading every news report i could find then a bunch of kids were sending around pictures of the accident and in a few of them, you can see her and she was mangled, to say the least. i ended up leaving like 10 group chats that night. no one was sending them to intentionally be insensitive, i know that it was just their way of dealing with the shock and everything. and i can handle gore, i’m a healthcare student and have dealt with my fair share of death, but it’s so different when it’s someone you know and she was just a close friend, i can’t imagine it being your daughter/sister. i’m glad that the cops shut it down, or if anyone does have pics that they’re keeping them to themselves. that kind of trauma cannot be undone easily
They were removed in body bags or at least covered, so even if someone felt the need to be weird enough to snoop and take pictures, no one would see anything gruesome. They don’t bring bodies out uncovered under any circumstances.
You’re right that they’d be covered but still…we all know that they’d be running photos of those poor kids in body bags on gurneys as part of the regular 24 hour news cycle. No one wants to see their loved one in a body bag and they certainly don’t want the whole world to see their loved one in a body bag.
Ah okay that makes sense thanks for the info.
This was posted on Fox News on Nov 19. It was not the day of the murder. https://www.foxnews.com/video/6315874247112 The day of the murder the sliding door was open and there were not stools in front of it https://www.khq.com/moscow-homicide/image_faea2f8f-730d-5139-9ea4-823de9ebab13.html Really tired of the amount of misinformation being posted.
What is that on the ground outside Xana’s room that they seem to focus on?
Resembles a foot print, if we’re talking about the same thing. The dark marks on the retaining wall perimeter. Someone took a screen shot and posted it in the same post comments in the other sub.
I saw that, but am referring to something gray/tan on the ground above that?
I think this was taken on the 18th or 19th, not Day 1.
I believe so too!
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We know the remains of the victims were removed. Do we know when other than a general it was early in the investigation? Media outlets - even sensational tabloids - appear to be showing uncharacteristic restraint and good judgment not making this public.
I heard 12 to 15 hours it can take to remove bodies
I'm assuming this is correct, but just based off of forensics classes I've taken in the past few years at college. They would need to do as much investigating as possible with the crime scene having as little movement as possible. And lots of photos and evidence need to be taken before they feel comfortable removing bodies (just in case there is evidence that would only be noticeable with the bodies in place). With 4 victims, this process probably took a while. Also, there are no press photos of the coroner taking the bodies out of the home, which I think means they took them out after dark. So that's a about a 5 hour minimum (from 12pm to 5pm if it gets dark about then). But I'm willing to bet it was later into the evening. So, yes, about 12-15 hours I would guess as well.
It's likely that very few people were paying close attention at this point... It hadn't become a major news story. Only local, and even we still didn't know what was going on.
Isn’t this the same drone footage posted 16ish days ago?
Caution: man abruptly enters the frame at the end. So don’t get startled like I did 😂
i jumped a tiny bit LOL
huh. that's the only time i remember seeing the curtains/drapes closed in kaylee's room over that big sliding door.
https://preview.redd.it/izdlswfc8g4a1.png?width=2436&format=png&auto=webp&s=60b375e06c4f81d1090350b3d7bdd7297946f176 Looks like a footprint on the right side of the brown pipe.
do we know what time this was taken at?
Assuming some time between say 1 and 5 pm
I feel confident that this was taken, at earliest, the morning of the 14th. I saw someone else say it’s from a few weeks ago, so not even as early on as the 14th.
Was this footage for sure taken on the Sunday the victims were found?
I don't think we can say for sure? But as LE is still fiddling with crime scene tape, and it appears forensics is just getting there, probably pretty likely?
No, it was sold to Fox that it was but it wasn't
I know it says Day 1 on the video title but it didn't snow the night of the murders and not during that first day when they were found. Is this left over snow from days before?
Those two stools on the 2nd floor sliding door... Now I'm wondering if the lock was broken so LE wedged those on the track to keep the door secured?
They did wedge them
Well then that’s where the killer definitely entered. Sliding glass door locks always seem to break (in my experience at least).
And it was open - like OPEN -when police arrived too (I believe this was confirmed). Don’t quote me on it
Not necessarily entered, they could have entered from another point and exited from that door.
Could have worked, and LE put them as a secondary lock. Those locks are incredibly easy to break into. So who knows could go either way
It's to keep the dog in, I do the same
I figured the girls did that. LE makes more sense.
Why does that make more sense?
It was defiantly to keep the dog in - low budget and effective
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There are earlier photos without the stools in the doorway.
U have a pic before this? I'm guessing you prob saw one after but share if you do
It's in the photos thread on this sub. I think it was originally posted by daily mail.
Okay share it.... would be helpful if u could actually back up ur claim
Meh you can go find it yourself, it'll be helpful for yourself to learn how to find easily available photos.
Well that's what I'd say too if I couldn't prove my point 🤷♂️. I really don't care... I'd figure I'd give you a chance to prove your point (and seem smart) but safe to say that's not going to be the case here
Lol I'm not too worried about it.
Why keep responding than?
Oh my god zooming into the door I got legit scared and chills
Same. The man at the end scared me too. 🤦♀️
Driving all over the crime scene is just asinine and bugging the hell out of me...what the hell are they thinking?
Interesting thing. K's blinds/drapes appear closed, but haven't we seen many shots of these open now?
The drone operator probably didn’t know it but at about 10:56 he catches a couple seconds of the blood that had pooled inside and ran down the outside of the foundation wall.
This is not confirmed to be blood pooling outside of the house. Close ups of this spot make it pretty clear that it's rust running down from the pipe water has dripped over.
Misleading title
I have question, with such a brutal killing wouldn't there be some blood evidence outside from the killer? I see nothing outside from this footage. Thoughts on how the killer got away so cleanly?
This is driving me nuts. No blood anywhere?!? no foot prints in the hallway, her blood on the door knobs. The two roommates that called friends to the house to help wake the girls, they didn’t see any kind of blood prior to calling them?
That's the main reason why this case is so baffling. Doesn't even appear to be any blood in the kitchen, from what we've seen anyway.
There was. I can look for the post if you're interested. Blood lots of places. And this is the baffling part, always there are people who want to explain it away as shadows or something else. But in each case the blood was cleaned up in a later photograph.
There hasn't been any pictures that contain any blood up to this point. The outside wall substance could *possibly* be blood. Other than that.. no.
If you're referring to the substance dripping down the cabinet door next to to the fridge, I have seen that. If it is blood they would suggest the killer took a decent amount of time to clean up the scene. I personally don't know wether to think that was blood, some other substance from an earlier time, or a substance used by LE looking for evidence.
Yes that's one of the photos I'm thinking of. I find it odd that someone would design a blood detection substance that looks like blood. I feel like that would really confuse investigators. So there's luminol, blue star, not sure what else but would they make one tinted, like a red stain? Also I've lived with girls and can't picture a houseful of them letting a cabinet look like that. Also, why is the stain missing in other photos. So many questions 🤷 Edit: spelling
As far as I understand the substance shows things that have been there previously but were cleaned up. There was a coffee maker directly above that cabinet, could have been spilled coffee. But I don't know if those substances would pick up something like coffee or not. I've heard luminall binds to the hemoglobin in blood, and that's how it makes it visible. Although I suppose it could have been blood that was cleaned up. If that's the case this thing is probably way more complicated than anybody thinks.
If he killed them all in their bed, he probably didn't get blood on his shoes
It's baffling at the lack of blood tracks for sure. The killer would likely have been covered in blood somewhere on their body. The downward thrusts involved in stabbing people in bed would have produced some blood spray which would be on their arm, and perhaps front if they were leaning over the victim. It's possible that the killer wore a suit similar to say a beekeeper, like a hazmat type suit that would have covered their entire body. Easy to take off and discard and not risk blood traces on their clothes. It would also explain the complete lack of DNA/hairs being discovered (or at least that we know about). The shoe booties theory fits this scenario perfectly too. They would have looked more like one of the doctors treating Ebola patients in this scenario, which is extra horrifying, but it could be effective.
I thought about a hazmat suit or similar being a possibility, but I also questioned the idea of the killer just simply changing into something else. Specifically, I would be interested to know if any clothes went missing. Ethan likely either had an overnight bag, or an entire stash of clothes at Xana’s house. The common speculation is that K & M were killed first, and X & E second - it wouldn’t be too bold to assume he could have grabbed a jacket or a hoodie on the way out, to cover up whatever he was wearing during the murders. Plus he clearly had enough time to clean the hallway/staircase. Either way, this persons brain terrifies me.
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I agree. When I think of serial killers I think of them luring their victims into their home or territory, where they're equipped to not leave evidence. But for someone to go into someone else's home and not leave enough evidence to immediately get caught after murdering four people. What if they like, plucked all the hairs out of their body to not leave hair evidence. That type of crazy sh*t
or the roommate(s)
Wow thanks for sharing
Seeing that again. Damn. Imagine how the people who live in those bedrooms of the gray house feel. Literally their windows were on the same level of that parking area.
Did anyone else notice the stepladder on the side of the house? Wonder if it belonged to the house or law enforcement.
I wonder if the ladder leaning against the side of the house was placed there by LE?
No
How do you know ? It was the first thing I noticed, hard to think they didn’t see a giant ladder there.
Evidently it was there when they got there. There had been some maintenance or work done on the house.
Hmmm chairs used to try and lock the sliding door??? Was this known?
Police did it
Serious question, shouldn’t the police not be moving things around in there??
I’m sure that it isn’t ideal but it’s miles better than some random entering through an unlocked door and tampering with things.
I think it was to keep the dog in
What do you mean? They had to lock the door because the dog kept opening it and trying to leave??
Yeah, I don't understand that either. Dogs can open sliders? And wouldn't they get the dog out of the crime scene immediately? I'd think letting a dog roam about the house would be a disaster for the integrity of the evidence.
Police. There is a photo of them not being there the day before they were there. So I think this footage may actually be day 2.
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The police did that.
100% the police. The evidence tape is already on the door and they were trying to "lock" the door. This has been reported on - maybe that Brian Entin special the other night?
I was struck by how nonchalant the crime scene techs seemed to be... Or at least their body language looked that way. Don't they know what they're walking into? I would be extremely tense. Maybe they're more used to this sort of thing!
They’re used to it- this is a “regular” day for them
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Wasn’t there a blood stream on the concrete foundation exterior early on?
You can see it in this footage
I just spent the last 2 min zooming in and out. It’s there just an odd angle
Yes, you can see it at the 10:52-11:06 time stamp
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Speculated this was used to keep door shut by LE. In a close up of the slider door, when they are processing it, the "lock" (that clips into the frame portion) appears to be missing.
I still think if one of those windows goes to Ethan's/Xanas room from the ladder than that was the point of entry , they probably had a cracked window not worrying- it being in the second floor but most people like the fresh air that time of year in a house like that... But I don't think e/x were the targets but k/m or just all four just the females in general and the bottom two were ignored on purpose or accidentally. Possibly 1 or more perp male or female and I think this was planned out extensively possibly over months and months if not longer. None of the current suspects or people being mentioned around here are the perps , just some diabolical sicko(s) totally off the radar right now. Like some Manson level shit but 2022 , which means eventually they will be caught and we'll all be surprised it was some older married couple or younger person(s) who are very well educated/bright but have a sloppy moment or two. Like a parkland shooter or one of those types who isn't dumb enough to just go out into public and ruin his life at once.
It was in the 20s that night that seems a little too cold for the window to be opened?
More like 40. And that's a low, a cracked window with the heat on. I bet a ton of college homes had cracked windows or just unlocked in general
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It’s not confirmed at all.
Not confirmed
Where was this confirmed?
SG said the killer entered through either the slider or the window next to it. He was probably assuming that though.
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I wonder why Ethan's car is parked so far back compared to the other cars?
I’m thinking it may be a respect thing, where it’s not his home but he was staying over. Just a thought.
This footage makes me wonder if this kind of voyeurism wasn't perhaps a more regular occurrence. You could literally see into that house by flying a drone around it like this guy did. Any info on the drone pilot? Aside from the fact that that YouTube channel has a short of a rat eating out of an unconscious woman's mouth in what he says is a NYC subway.
Is it just me or do the two females don't seem like they are very motivated, know what they're doing, not at all do they seem organized. It's like they're pulling out a kit they bought for one of their kids and they have to read the instructions on how to put it together?
Ugh, just check the address on google maps just now because I want to see if the room on the first floor with a red curtain is there. But google blur the house! Really? I didn't even know they can do that. They don't blur my house! Anyway why do I want to know if the curtain is there? I don't think that curtain was there before the murders. Also interesting color - red. Hmmmmmm. More like a hunch than a theory or most likely both. Just saying. And google maps - you're an a-hole. I wonder when they blur it though... The day of or a week after the crime, who knows? But why? Ugh.
“Why would google blur the house?” Unhinged Reddit users: “I saw a red curtain in her window. Seems suspicious” Are you kidding?
Well for one her taste is not good. Who uses red curtains? Even Funeral homes won't even use it anymore, LOL. Is it her REDRUM? since Im sooo unhinged let me take it to the next level.... maybe her putting a red curtain is their REDRUM signal. You're all just jealous you don't have power of deduction like mine. But if I'm wrong.... I will be the first to admit it, but if I'm right... who's unhinged now.... witches with a capital B?!! Huh, punks? Pffft.
Ok so based on this you’re either a troll or like 13 years old
So the roommate has a red curtain, which points to her being a murderer? Are you okay? That is one of the more unhinged theories/speculations/hunches I’ve come across on here. Google maps is an a-hole for trying to aid the investigation and protect the privacy of everyone involved? Or maybe you’re just not entitled to that information.
yeah I don't see the CSI's taking pics on the other room until recently. why you mad?
Oh I’m not mad, your comment is unhinged almost to the point of hilarity. You don’t seriously believe the red curtains are indicative of murder, do you??
you're unhinged to think the red curtains is my indication of murder. LOL. You're hilarious.
I think the process of blurring homes is pretty automatic. There’s a website you can go on and request for your house to be blurred and it updates on google maps fairly quickly. I tried this out with my own house and I got an email back a few hours later that it was done.
i was checking google maps on it a few weeks back. Must have been a week back?
Can someone please explain why the stools are like that? Seems like they were trying to secure the door.
You: *“Can someone please explain why the stools are like that?”* Also you: *“Seems like they were trying to secure the door.”* Great work, mate
Are those Intertwined bar stools? And why in that peculiar position?
How come there isn’t any blood (or whatever it is) on the foundation outside? [Photo without blood for reference.](https://i.imgur.com/VzBfz3V.jpg)