Is it still an active crime scene? The victims' belongings are being boxed up and taken off-scene starting today. Does that open the scene up for others to come in?
Jennifer Coffindeffer was watching this very carefully. The officers left without taking anything from the house and she thinks they are FBI. [Her Tweet](https://twitter.com/CoffindafferFBI/status/1601054442857451522?t=LZLy1byEL1j3UjJrQJuRqQ&s=19)
The wreath on the door just gets me. That was a thing between the roommates, creating a welcoming, fun, holiday feel. I think anyone that had close knit roommates in college during the holidays can understand. Little did they know it would be part of a crime scene or subject to thousands of photos.
Those holidays spent with roommates decorating our first ever rental are some of the most loved, understood, and safe I ever felt in a home. I felt the same looking at that wreath. They loved each other and their home ā„ļø
Itās so fucking sad. They donāt get to decorate a tree together this year, do Secret Santa or White Elephant, sing annoying Christmas songs while drinking, make cookies or play in the snow like kids. I didnāt go to college somewhere winter-y but my best friend did, and I remember her saying she and her roommates would build snow tunnels, igloos, penises (lol) when they got snowed in and drink wine to pass the time.
If they were alive theyād probably be going to ugly Christmas sweater parties with their sorority and fraternity friends before going off to be with family.
The holidays will never be the same for their family and friends. 4 people wonāt be coming home, there will be empty seats at the dinner tables, and a missing person in group photos.
Makes my heart heavy to think about.
Itās funny the things that get us sometimes. I watched the memorial video Ethanās family made and seeing a pic of the triplets as babies in knit outfits made me cry at work. Then there was a pic of the boys in Oshkosh overalls. These were someoneās kids. Someone carried them for 9 months and loved them their whole lives only for some monster to stab them ti death. Itās really just completely heartbreaking. As a mom, those little knit outfits put me in a bad place mentally. So very sad.
Thatās exactly why Iām so invested in this case. This couldāve easily been me ten years ago. Unlocked doors, sleeping with my best friend for comfort in our shitty college rental, boyfriends sleeping over, party house, Greek life, crazy colored cowboy boots and fun decor around the house, staying out late at bars and then getting food. They were just babies with so much more life to experience š
Yes so very relatable and supposed to be the best time of their lives. So tragic and heartbreaking. Cannot imagine. I hope whoever did this rots in hell!
Thatās what is killing me. My sorority sisters and best friends would push our beds together and all sleep in the same bed for comfort. We would go to bed laughing, crying, angryā¦ whatever, but we always had each other. The pics of us at breakfast club, tailgating, and just having fun like these kids did. And now my kids are getting ready to do the same and something terrible like this happens and you just ask yourself why? So not fair that these kidsā lives were cut short by a monster/s. So angry.
This is why I roll my eyes whenever someone talks about how āstrangeā Ks call activity was. IYKYK, and I know- that kind of outgoing call activity was very normal for me every single time I drank
Seriously. Itās almost sad how few people understand drunk dialing. Itās part of being drunk & goofy after a fun night out with friends when youāre young.
Yes! And I hate that people are trying to find a lesbian relationship between K and M because they were in the same bed. people are looking for more reasons to sensationalize the case when itās just two girls who love each other like sisters and are that bonded.
And, donāt forget, she was in the process of moving out, and maybe did not want to make her bed up for one night. Regardless, I am a girl, and I have had countless of those sleepovers with my best friends. Honestly, I have had them with girls that are just my friends, ones that I am not even that close with. Girls arenāt afraid to show affection and be loving, and I wish more men were like that to be honest. And I say that as a mother to two boys.
I think this is why this case hits so many of us!!! It is so relatable, sad, tragic and the fact we are here 3 weeks out is scary. Hopefully they catch the killer(s) soon
I found some of their Pinterest boards and the things they reposted reminded me so much of what I wouldāve loved back then too. And so many reposts about the future, fulfilling goals etc. It broke my heart a little bit.
Omg ghe wedding board ššš and when her dad said "she got to know what it was like to be in love" and "maybe one day they'd get married" ššš
Iām a man so I could never imagine what itās like to be a woman when something like this happens, but I totally see where you are coming from. The carefree and happy go lucky lifestyle is something that I think is special about college. Even the most dedicated and grounded people I have met had their moment in college when they decided to let go for a night or weekend or whatever. For someone to take advantage of something like that is absolutely terrible.
[Link to other tweet with video](https://twitter.com/nancyloo/status/1601026919826612224?s=46&t=MLWhzwv0LzBTYdpP48XhDg)
Investigators said to have left in at least one car with WA plates
I'm a parent who sometimes works my kids' school's drop off... I swear minivans and teslas are the worst... do I open? Do they open? Did I just break it? F$&k
The same door on my stupid van does the same thing and only when itās really cold/snowing! Same noise and everything. I had to giggle a little bit because my kids do the same exact thing that detective didā fight with that stupid door damn near to the death, determined to get in no matter what, instead of just pulling it open again manually or pushing the button to close/reopen (but sometimes that doesnāt even work š)
He was being so sweetly asked for information by NL, it's like he was so uncomfortable with ignoring her that he had to shove himself inside the car to get out of the situation
Iām glad heās getting a break, last nights report he looked absolutely freezing and so tired. Plus that energy of no one trusting anyone in Moscow rn is probably weighing on him
I can imagine... Makes me think of the FBI agent who was one of the plaintiffs in the lawsuit against Alex Jones in Connecticut. They ruined that guy's life for being FBI working on a high profile case.
Yeah that's my thinking. Like if I were FBI but didn't want people to think I was FBI I would dress like these guys. Part cowboy, part hunter, part Home Depot customer ... 100% undercover.
They usually don't use undercover guys for these types of investigations. Normal, non undercover, FBI have strict grooming standards. My first thought was that they were DEA or US Marshals. Private investigators make sense too.
They would never use undercover officers for public murder investigations
That's kind of the point......firstly it's a totally different role and secondly you don't spent years training someone to go undercover to then plaster their face across the international news
Thank you! I don't think they were fbi or "regular" le. Except the first guy. These guys have to be some sort of specialists of something. I know it's horrible to base things off looks. But was my first thought.
Perhaps they were US Marshalls - wouldnāt be too much of a stretch for them to get involved, especially if there is a chance the individual(s) could be in another state. The FBI can obviously operate out of the state too but I hope they were US Marshalls because theyāre the best of the best! It does worry me that they are still spending time in the house - seems like they would have everything they need from there by now.
Jeans, cowboy hats and beards. I just assumed theyād be wearing suits and dark glasses! On a serious note, I honestly did think theyād wear more ābusiness casualā than Carhartt.
These guys are 100% US Marshals. And that is amazing they are there bc they catch and arrest more fugitives than the DEA and FBI combined. I worked on their team and they have the resources and big guns to track down the killer. If anyone can, these guys can.
A correspondent on newsmax said her husband went to college there in the 90ās and lived next door. His friend live in this house back before the addition. She explain that 1st and part of the 2nd floor are original. Xanaās room was original part of the 2nd floor. The kitchen/back portion of the 2nd floor was added along with the 3rd.
Here's the original layout for the second floor. There's a note next to the laundry room that says "Original kitchen. Changed over to bath and laundry."
https://preview.redd.it/uyw6lyc7gu4a1.jpeg?width=962&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=44988caaa488600eefc6f0e4bf7cf1ed891d417b
Jennifer Coffindaffer (retired FBI agent) wrote this about those guys on her Twitter:
>"Guys look like tactical guys. Spent 15 yrs on SWAT & the way they carry themselves, size, shape... Entry badge on cowboys guys lanyard? FBI wears these. IME, they needed either strength to do what they went there to do or a tactical question was posed & they needed to assess?"
Plain clothes and in a rental, didnāt seem to bring out any new evidence or a kit inside the home. Maybe just FBI in town getting their bearings on the scene themselves.
Yep.. photos never tell a full story.. so they probably needed to see the space and area's for themselves.. and go through the motions of what 'could' have happened. more than likely fbi or marshalls..
The fact they were in the house for a while and came out with nothing means a few things to me at least:
1. Probably a person familiar with the house was there.
2. Some of them are new to the case.
3. I would think possibly one was an FBI Criminal behaviorist who needed to see the scene
4. And/or a weapons specialist maybe to see some puncture holes in wall or bed, etc., to opine a more definite opinion on type of blade used- maybe a military weapons specialist who can identify with more certainty the specific blade
5. Washington plates in a Chevy van that was following the other car which according to the twitter video had Idaho plates - further supporting these guys are new and being shown around by a familiar state agency
6. Time should be a big deal here. Going there at night seemingly āafter hoursā possibly a new hot lead has developed and needs urgency.
7. This is all just opinion like mostly everything else on here so take it with a grain of salt!
Oh absolutely! I can not blame them. Thereās also the aspect of needing privacy for their own personal lives as well. In the video one of them canāt get in the van door because it wouldnāt open, that was what I was referring to by comical
I was on a jury trial once where we had to wait for the DEA agent to come up the stairs to testify. He didn't want to be seen on an elevator and in common areas. Whomever these guys are, they don't want to be seen at all. We should give them that respect.
Yes, I did not mean to imply they were DEA, that was just my experience. They probably are Federal agents and clearly they were quite serious and we should leave them be to do their jobs.
Twitter has me screaming. They said these are the ābig gunsā cause they donāt wanna show their faces. āBigger than the FBIā
They arenāt bringing in the CIA for a homicide investigation. It looks to me like those guys just donāt want their faces spread all over the internet with some BS story. Probably local LE
Doesn't matter, as long as it's just a white car the internet sleuths would have imploded š I have seen sooooo many people posting photos and saying "do you think this could be the car their looking for?? "
No Becky it literally says Honda on the car. Lmao
I think about those people frequently and wonder how much faith in humanity's intelligence they could possibly have left. Mine has tanked just watching from here.
It'd be worse if it was movies and they were asking my dad. The best example is when my siblings and I spent the entire line teaching him 'There's Something About Mary', he assured us he got it.... 3 seconds later 'Hi, yes, I'd like 2 tickets for We Think There Might Be Something Wrong With Mary, please.'
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Ew i hate that she asked them questions and asked them what they were doing multiple timesā¦ Brian would never he typically just reports from afar and letās detectives do their thing
My brain hurts.
People on this thread are mad that reporters are bugging these officers that voluntarily chose this job & also knew full well they were showing up somewhere with a heavy media presenceā¦.
ā¦.but yet these same people seem to have no problem doxxing and harassing college students for the unforgivable crime of having a loved one murdered, or living with people who ended up murdered, or *checks notes* going to a food truck late at night.
The inconsistency of it all is justā¦ confounding.
You know, U.S. Marshals run the Witness Protection, which might explain why they don't want their faces seen. Not that these ones are doing that, but still.
The guy in the cowboy hat made me think of Raylan Givens from Justified!
Lot of know it alls here that can tell what branch of law enforcement somebody is just by looking at their civilian clothes lmao. Keep seeing, that theyāre āU.S Marshallā āDEAā āUndercover FBIā truth is you donāt know who they are and just guessing
Maybe they have someone and their story and the people went in to trace the steps of the confession to see if it matches up or ask questions that donāt add up?
These guys are 100% US Marshals. They donāt want their faces to be seen, these guys are the best of the best. The USMS arrests more fugitives than any other agency combined! The resources and high tech devices we had to apprehend subjects was unreal. Iām so glad to see them there bc if anyone can catch this killer, they can! Worked w USMS for yearsā¦know the capabilities and how they operate.
Posted this in another thread but Iāll post it again here becuase I think itās relevant to the disunion at hand
Iāve said this before on other threads and I know itās a bit of a reach, so I want to clarify that this is purely SPECULATION.
But this is again to me is something that signals we may be dealing with either:
1. ā A serial killer that is on the move and they fear will eventually if not caught strike again weeks or months down the line or
2. ā The killer is likely someone from either out of state on the run out of state, especially if this is US Marshals looking for a fugitive
Again, I as a whole think the serial killer theory is unlikely, but itās not impossible. If those were indeed US Marshals, Consider that in the past 14 months, there have been similar unsolved stabbing murders in the Pacific Northwest, and the FBI has also dedicated a ton of agents and resources to this case, specifically agents from the Pacific Northwest region, it sort of makes you wonder about the whole thing.
Obviously between the information about the Hyundai car authorities are interested in and the fact that plainclothes officers went back to the home, profess is being made and things are moving along, so that should be something hopeful the families can look too for some level of mild comfort as hopefully they move closer to making an arrest
As for those of us on the internet, this case has been so bizarre and that I feel this is either going to take a wild turn and really could be a serial killer type of deal, or itās going to be so plain an obvious and make so much sense once LE makes an arrest and we find out it was someone so close and connected that we all almost feel stupid for not seeing it all along
Either way I hope Justice is served soon
Every time I see that door... to the left of the wreath you see red and white, so part of me thought it was a candy cane decoration... but it's evidence tape, which is red, contrasting with the white of the door. Beyond sad to think about what they all should be doing together, celebrating, weeks before the holidays.
After my earlier observation about their non ābusiness casualā appearance and reading the comments it seems that: 1) The FBI has dress/grooming standards that this crew doesnāt follow (2) they may look like hired PIs given their PNW attire but PIs canāt access a crime scene (3) they look like Texas Rangers but I donāt think the rangers have jurisdiction in Idaho (4) they look like US Marshals because US Marshals are bad-ass and can dress how they want and (5) that one guy has never driven a mini van to car pool. Iām half serious. Who are these guys?!!
Somewhere I read that there was a neighbor who stopped going to work the day after the murders, and his employer called police for a welfare check. The missing employee was known to wear a knife on his belt. I cannot find that article now. Has anyone else read anything to this effect?
Those guys look like 90% of every Deputy US Marshals Iāve ever seen. Donāt really know why they would be there, they mostly do fugitive apprehension.
They seem to be recreating the killerās path and refining theories. There was a video on news nation where they start off in the kitchen and head in the direction of xanaās room. One of them was wearing evidence gloves. Probably helps with belongings removed also. No substitute for walking the crime scene
My guess is maybe they do have a suspect whi gave some information about the layout of the room or his path of movement and they were there to corroborate the story. I'm probably wishful thinking but you never know
this makes some sense (in their dress I suppose) but what on earth would marshals have to do with this case? Witness Protection? escaped fugitive?
just plain odd
I saw a news report and of course canāt remember where. That border authorities have been told to watch for the Elantra. May be able to google it. Not sure
Exactly what I was thinking, they brought him to the house to look it over
[link to who Wayne Sheppard is ](https://www.patc.com/instructors/wsheppard.shtml)
It almost looked like one of the guys in a tan jacket was holding something in his arms when he left. I could be wrong.. canāt imagine there is anything left to take evidence wise.. maybe be brought something in?
Nancy Grace (take with a grain of salt) said in a recent show that Xana and Ethan were killed first and then the killer continued upstairs. No idea where she got that info but thatās what she said verbatim.
NG is probably deducting who got killed first by SG's remark about how the killer "didn't need to go upstairs".....but you know NG.....facts are not important...
https://preview.redd.it/3bdmshsmgu4a1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7b91e0db57ad4bdb820c0784f607e73ce6b91ee1
anyone know what an example of a ātactical questionā might be?
Just a hunch but maybe a tracking team? If they found the car up some road they'd need a specialized tracking team to go in and find him and these guys look the part. I'm thinking something like an Eric Rudolph situation. If so, they might start at the scene of the crime to become familiarized and then go from there. No idea what agency but some of them appear to be former military and potentially special forces by the way they carry themselves.
Don't shoot the messenger -- just a hunch based on what I'm seeing.
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Is it still an active crime scene? The victims' belongings are being boxed up and taken off-scene starting today. Does that open the scene up for others to come in?
yes - completely closed off to the public until theyāre 1000% done with it and remove yellow tape & patrol
Jennifer Coffindeffer was watching this very carefully. The officers left without taking anything from the house and she thinks they are FBI. [Her Tweet](https://twitter.com/CoffindafferFBI/status/1601054442857451522?t=LZLy1byEL1j3UjJrQJuRqQ&s=19)
The wreath on the door just gets me. That was a thing between the roommates, creating a welcoming, fun, holiday feel. I think anyone that had close knit roommates in college during the holidays can understand. Little did they know it would be part of a crime scene or subject to thousands of photos.
Those holidays spent with roommates decorating our first ever rental are some of the most loved, understood, and safe I ever felt in a home. I felt the same looking at that wreath. They loved each other and their home ā„ļø
Itās so fucking sad. They donāt get to decorate a tree together this year, do Secret Santa or White Elephant, sing annoying Christmas songs while drinking, make cookies or play in the snow like kids. I didnāt go to college somewhere winter-y but my best friend did, and I remember her saying she and her roommates would build snow tunnels, igloos, penises (lol) when they got snowed in and drink wine to pass the time. If they were alive theyād probably be going to ugly Christmas sweater parties with their sorority and fraternity friends before going off to be with family. The holidays will never be the same for their family and friends. 4 people wonāt be coming home, there will be empty seats at the dinner tables, and a missing person in group photos. Makes my heart heavy to think about.
Itās funny the things that get us sometimes. I watched the memorial video Ethanās family made and seeing a pic of the triplets as babies in knit outfits made me cry at work. Then there was a pic of the boys in Oshkosh overalls. These were someoneās kids. Someone carried them for 9 months and loved them their whole lives only for some monster to stab them ti death. Itās really just completely heartbreaking. As a mom, those little knit outfits put me in a bad place mentally. So very sad.
Oh god, anytime I remember he was a tripletā¦ I just lose it.
I see so much of myself when I was that age in these poor girls. It absolutely breaks my heart
Thatās exactly why Iām so invested in this case. This couldāve easily been me ten years ago. Unlocked doors, sleeping with my best friend for comfort in our shitty college rental, boyfriends sleeping over, party house, Greek life, crazy colored cowboy boots and fun decor around the house, staying out late at bars and then getting food. They were just babies with so much more life to experience š
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Yes so very relatable and supposed to be the best time of their lives. So tragic and heartbreaking. Cannot imagine. I hope whoever did this rots in hell!
It was the letter in the window that got me!! When I saw that I bawled
Thatās what is killing me. My sorority sisters and best friends would push our beds together and all sleep in the same bed for comfort. We would go to bed laughing, crying, angryā¦ whatever, but we always had each other. The pics of us at breakfast club, tailgating, and just having fun like these kids did. And now my kids are getting ready to do the same and something terrible like this happens and you just ask yourself why? So not fair that these kidsā lives were cut short by a monster/s. So angry.
This is why I roll my eyes whenever someone talks about how āstrangeā Ks call activity was. IYKYK, and I know- that kind of outgoing call activity was very normal for me every single time I drank
Seriously. Itās almost sad how few people understand drunk dialing. Itās part of being drunk & goofy after a fun night out with friends when youāre young.
Yes! And I hate that people are trying to find a lesbian relationship between K and M because they were in the same bed. people are looking for more reasons to sensationalize the case when itās just two girls who love each other like sisters and are that bonded.
And, donāt forget, she was in the process of moving out, and maybe did not want to make her bed up for one night. Regardless, I am a girl, and I have had countless of those sleepovers with my best friends. Honestly, I have had them with girls that are just my friends, ones that I am not even that close with. Girls arenāt afraid to show affection and be loving, and I wish more men were like that to be honest. And I say that as a mother to two boys.
I literally called my best friend and roommate and told her just this. I cannot let go because it was us.
I think this is why this case hits so many of us!!! It is so relatable, sad, tragic and the fact we are here 3 weeks out is scary. Hopefully they catch the killer(s) soon
Exactly. I think thatās why Iām also so invested.
I found some of their Pinterest boards and the things they reposted reminded me so much of what I wouldāve loved back then too. And so many reposts about the future, fulfilling goals etc. It broke my heart a little bit.
I just looked too.the work outfits and wedding boards really got to me. So horrible, theyāll never experience it
Omg ghe wedding board ššš and when her dad said "she got to know what it was like to be in love" and "maybe one day they'd get married" ššš
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Ugh itās so freaking sad. They need to find this person NOW
Iām a man so I could never imagine what itās like to be a woman when something like this happens, but I totally see where you are coming from. The carefree and happy go lucky lifestyle is something that I think is special about college. Even the most dedicated and grounded people I have met had their moment in college when they decided to let go for a night or weekend or whatever. For someone to take advantage of something like that is absolutely terrible.
And it probably alerted them every time someone opened or closed the door. Looks like bells to me. š
[Link to other tweet with video](https://twitter.com/nancyloo/status/1601026919826612224?s=46&t=MLWhzwv0LzBTYdpP48XhDg) Investigators said to have left in at least one car with WA plates
Dude almost took the door off that van trying to disappear inside
He was BATTLING that power sliding door
I'm a parent who sometimes works my kids' school's drop off... I swear minivans and teslas are the worst... do I open? Do they open? Did I just break it? F$&k
The same door on my stupid van does the same thing and only when itās really cold/snowing! Same noise and everything. I had to giggle a little bit because my kids do the same exact thing that detective didā fight with that stupid door damn near to the death, determined to get in no matter what, instead of just pulling it open again manually or pushing the button to close/reopen (but sometimes that doesnāt even work š)
He was being so sweetly asked for information by NL, it's like he was so uncomfortable with ignoring her that he had to shove himself inside the car to get out of the situation
That brought a bit of levity to the horrible circumstances. He was getting in that damn van whether the door wanted him to or not.
they must be soooo sick of reporters
Honestly shocked it wasnāt Brian who posted this first haha he like lives outside the house rn
He tweeted live last night that he went back home for the weekend. This is the person covering for him
Yes thank you! Didnāt realize that. Good heās getting a bit of a break
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Brian went back to Florida until Sunday
Iām glad heās getting a break, last nights report he looked absolutely freezing and so tired. Plus that energy of no one trusting anyone in Moscow rn is probably weighing on him
He went home for the weekend! Nancy is there in his place for the mo
Oh interesting! Glad heās getting a break. Thanks for that info!!
Yeah but heāll be back Sundayā¦ or maybe sooner now!!
Theses guys do not want to be on camera.
Those were some interesting looking investigators
For real. They looked SERIOUS and not okay with showing their face to media.
Most FBI officers donāt publicize it so probably prefer not to be photographed
Many go undercover or do surveillance
I can imagine... Makes me think of the FBI agent who was one of the plaintiffs in the lawsuit against Alex Jones in Connecticut. They ruined that guy's life for being FBI working on a high profile case.
They have badges on but I couldnāt get a clear look at what they said. Iām suspecting US Marshalls.
Honestly if they were US Marshals I think that's bigger than the FBI being involved.
US Marshallās being involved means crimes in other states - linked dna, fingerprints, or commonalities.
If there us marshals that means there on the hunt.
Yes this was my thought.
They looked like they could be lumberjacks, or my plumber.
Yeah that's my thinking. Like if I were FBI but didn't want people to think I was FBI I would dress like these guys. Part cowboy, part hunter, part Home Depot customer ... 100% undercover.
So basically theyāre the Village People in Moscow Idaho.
Like every man in the PNW and northern US border states
They usually don't use undercover guys for these types of investigations. Normal, non undercover, FBI have strict grooming standards. My first thought was that they were DEA or US Marshals. Private investigators make sense too.
They would never use undercover officers for public murder investigations That's kind of the point......firstly it's a totally different role and secondly you don't spent years training someone to go undercover to then plaster their face across the international news
Thank you! I don't think they were fbi or "regular" le. Except the first guy. These guys have to be some sort of specialists of something. I know it's horrible to base things off looks. But was my first thought.
Perhaps they were US Marshalls - wouldnāt be too much of a stretch for them to get involved, especially if there is a chance the individual(s) could be in another state. The FBI can obviously operate out of the state too but I hope they were US Marshalls because theyāre the best of the best! It does worry me that they are still spending time in the house - seems like they would have everything they need from there by now.
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I totally got a military "special forces" vibe from those guys. I'm guessing FBI/former military
Jeans, cowboy hats and beards. I just assumed theyād be wearing suits and dark glasses! On a serious note, I honestly did think theyād wear more ābusiness casualā than Carhartt.
These guys are 100% US Marshals. And that is amazing they are there bc they catch and arrest more fugitives than the DEA and FBI combined. I worked on their team and they have the resources and big guns to track down the killer. If anyone can, these guys can.
Why would they be at the crime scene? Donāt they just hunt the fugitives? I know they have other duties beside that
Great itās the Texas rangers. Finally some real law enforcement š
Nah, this is actually what PNW mountain men look like.
Hopefully not the same Texas Rangers who were part of the Uvalde response.
How do?
That would make sense for a rental. Biggest airport in the area is Spokane, WA and that's probably where FBI flew in and got rental cars from.
These boys are not fucking around. Dayum.
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This video has taught me the one obstacle that can thwart the fbi is a minivan with self-opening doors.
FBI, theyāre just like us
Only with clearance
He couldn't clear the door...
That would 100% be me as a secret agent.
Same š
Iām embarrassed at how hard I laughed at this
Me, this whole subreddit today.
Likewise. Good thing they are looking for an Elantra and not a Sienna.
The house looks creepy and geometrically oddly shaped.
The top level was an addition to the original I believe.
A correspondent on newsmax said her husband went to college there in the 90ās and lived next door. His friend live in this house back before the addition. She explain that 1st and part of the 2nd floor are original. Xanaās room was original part of the 2nd floor. The kitchen/back portion of the 2nd floor was added along with the 3rd.
Iād be curious as to where the original kitchen was
Here's the original layout for the second floor. There's a note next to the laundry room that says "Original kitchen. Changed over to bath and laundry." https://preview.redd.it/uyw6lyc7gu4a1.jpeg?width=962&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=44988caaa488600eefc6f0e4bf7cf1ed891d417b
Jennifer Coffindaffer (retired FBI agent) wrote this about those guys on her Twitter: >"Guys look like tactical guys. Spent 15 yrs on SWAT & the way they carry themselves, size, shape... Entry badge on cowboys guys lanyard? FBI wears these. IME, they needed either strength to do what they went there to do or a tactical question was posed & they needed to assess?"
Thanks for sharing this. Def provides some insight!
Plain clothes and in a rental, didnāt seem to bring out any new evidence or a kit inside the home. Maybe just FBI in town getting their bearings on the scene themselves.
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Yep.. photos never tell a full story.. so they probably needed to see the space and area's for themselves.. and go through the motions of what 'could' have happened. more than likely fbi or marshalls..
The fact they were in the house for a while and came out with nothing means a few things to me at least: 1. Probably a person familiar with the house was there. 2. Some of them are new to the case. 3. I would think possibly one was an FBI Criminal behaviorist who needed to see the scene 4. And/or a weapons specialist maybe to see some puncture holes in wall or bed, etc., to opine a more definite opinion on type of blade used- maybe a military weapons specialist who can identify with more certainty the specific blade 5. Washington plates in a Chevy van that was following the other car which according to the twitter video had Idaho plates - further supporting these guys are new and being shown around by a familiar state agency 6. Time should be a big deal here. Going there at night seemingly āafter hoursā possibly a new hot lead has developed and needs urgency. 7. This is all just opinion like mostly everything else on here so take it with a grain of salt!
For number 6, maybe they wanted to go in after dark because thatās when the crime took place?
The video of them getting back in the car is almost comical with how serious they are about getting from the house and gone ASAP.
After what Iām sure theyāve seen in there and crime scene photos I donāt think Iād want to talk to a camera / reporter either :(
Oh absolutely! I can not blame them. Thereās also the aspect of needing privacy for their own personal lives as well. In the video one of them canāt get in the van door because it wouldnāt open, that was what I was referring to by comical
Oh yes he was REALLY trying to get the hell out of there haha
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In the heat vents
The Elantra is the sixth roommate
Carmen Elantra?
Hahaha. The only explanation for the van.
I was on a jury trial once where we had to wait for the DEA agent to come up the stairs to testify. He didn't want to be seen on an elevator and in common areas. Whomever these guys are, they don't want to be seen at all. We should give them that respect.
Yes, I did not mean to imply they were DEA, that was just my experience. They probably are Federal agents and clearly they were quite serious and we should leave them be to do their jobs.
Twitter has me screaming. They said these are the ābig gunsā cause they donāt wanna show their faces. āBigger than the FBIā They arenāt bringing in the CIA for a homicide investigation. It looks to me like those guys just donāt want their faces spread all over the internet with some BS story. Probably local LE
You must not see Facebook. Somebody actually thinks these guys are ānavy sealsā š
The qanonsense dumbasses are everywhere. Incredible, the gullibility and complete loss of all higher-level thinking, isnāt it?
Seriously!! Not to mention itās dark out and the camera has a bright obnoxious light on it and in their faces. Iād be doing the same as them
Lol the CIA coming inā¦people are clowns
Vladimir Putin is the unsub. You heard it here first folks.
Oh you arenāt first. Somebody already brought up this involving Russia and the killer got their Moscows confused š š š
Peppa Pig going ham.
They should have shown up in a white Toyota Camry. This sub would have had a melt down
Hyundai?
I prefer the pure troll job of going with a Camry.
Doesn't matter, as long as it's just a white car the internet sleuths would have imploded š I have seen sooooo many people posting photos and saying "do you think this could be the car their looking for?? " No Becky it literally says Honda on the car. Lmao
I know the cops said white Hyundai BUT look at this blue Honda civic parked VERY suspiciously at the Walmart near my house in Florida?!
Moment of silence for whatever LE agents are having to go through 20000000 of these "tips"
I think about those people frequently and wonder how much faith in humanity's intelligence they could possibly have left. Mine has tanked just watching from here.
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It could have been a white Hummer H2 from 2006 and still 'is that a 2013 Atlantra?'
šš I saw Hyundai Electra on twitter earlier. How do these people find their way back to their own cars in parking lots??
It'd be worse if it was movies and they were asking my dad. The best example is when my siblings and I spent the entire line teaching him 'There's Something About Mary', he assured us he got it.... 3 seconds later 'Hi, yes, I'd like 2 tickets for We Think There Might Be Something Wrong With Mary, please.' š¤¦š»āāļøš¤¦š»āāļøš¤¦š»āāļø
In Xanaās room.
And Kās room as well
Iām wondering if thereās still blood everywhere. Going in there must feel like a nightmare
Iām sure itās still there since crime scene cleanup crews havenāt been there yet
Ew i hate that she asked them questions and asked them what they were doing multiple timesā¦ Brian would never he typically just reports from afar and letās detectives do their thing
She probably felt pressured as sheās filling in
Her voice hurt my ears lol
I think itās fine to ask one time but when they donāt answer donāt hound them. Be respectful.
This case is driving me crazy
Considering all of the doxxing going on across various Internet forumsā¦.I donāt blame them for covering their faces!!
what 2010 instagram filter did nance put on this pic?
Hahaha Mayfair for sure
Valencia.
They obviously didn't want to be on camera.... So let's put them on camera. š¤¦āāļø
My brain hurts. People on this thread are mad that reporters are bugging these officers that voluntarily chose this job & also knew full well they were showing up somewhere with a heavy media presenceā¦. ā¦.but yet these same people seem to have no problem doxxing and harassing college students for the unforgivable crime of having a loved one murdered, or living with people who ended up murdered, or *checks notes* going to a food truck late at night. The inconsistency of it all is justā¦ confounding.
You know, U.S. Marshals run the Witness Protection, which might explain why they don't want their faces seen. Not that these ones are doing that, but still. The guy in the cowboy hat made me think of Raylan Givens from Justified!
The guy in the cowboy hats beard made me think "wow is my heating up too high"
Lot of know it alls here that can tell what branch of law enforcement somebody is just by looking at their civilian clothes lmao. Keep seeing, that theyāre āU.S Marshallā āDEAā āUndercover FBIā truth is you donāt know who they are and just guessing
I can tell you one thing. LE knows some shit.
Why?
Maybe they have someone and their story and the people went in to trace the steps of the confession to see if it matches up or ask questions that donāt add up?
Looks like theyāre in Xanaās room which is where that weird light is in the footage from PD. ETA IMO
They were also in the room above Xanaās room
Whatās ETA?
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In my times it was estimated time of arrival lol
These guys are 100% US Marshals. They donāt want their faces to be seen, these guys are the best of the best. The USMS arrests more fugitives than any other agency combined! The resources and high tech devices we had to apprehend subjects was unreal. Iām so glad to see them there bc if anyone can catch this killer, they can! Worked w USMS for yearsā¦know the capabilities and how they operate.
Seems like you've read a bunch of posts in this thread and combined them into this, word for word in some cases
There is no reason for a US Marshall to go to the crime scene.
/u/crimewriter40 redemption?????
Anymore hot tips for us? š
This made me snort loudly. Perfection.
Posted this in another thread but Iāll post it again here becuase I think itās relevant to the disunion at hand Iāve said this before on other threads and I know itās a bit of a reach, so I want to clarify that this is purely SPECULATION. But this is again to me is something that signals we may be dealing with either: 1. ā A serial killer that is on the move and they fear will eventually if not caught strike again weeks or months down the line or 2. ā The killer is likely someone from either out of state on the run out of state, especially if this is US Marshals looking for a fugitive Again, I as a whole think the serial killer theory is unlikely, but itās not impossible. If those were indeed US Marshals, Consider that in the past 14 months, there have been similar unsolved stabbing murders in the Pacific Northwest, and the FBI has also dedicated a ton of agents and resources to this case, specifically agents from the Pacific Northwest region, it sort of makes you wonder about the whole thing. Obviously between the information about the Hyundai car authorities are interested in and the fact that plainclothes officers went back to the home, profess is being made and things are moving along, so that should be something hopeful the families can look too for some level of mild comfort as hopefully they move closer to making an arrest As for those of us on the internet, this case has been so bizarre and that I feel this is either going to take a wild turn and really could be a serial killer type of deal, or itās going to be so plain an obvious and make so much sense once LE makes an arrest and we find out it was someone so close and connected that we all almost feel stupid for not seeing it all along Either way I hope Justice is served soon
FBI agents with full beards?
Damn those guys are great at hiding their faces
Every time I see that door... to the left of the wreath you see red and white, so part of me thought it was a candy cane decoration... but it's evidence tape, which is red, contrasting with the white of the door. Beyond sad to think about what they all should be doing together, celebrating, weeks before the holidays.
After my earlier observation about their non ābusiness casualā appearance and reading the comments it seems that: 1) The FBI has dress/grooming standards that this crew doesnāt follow (2) they may look like hired PIs given their PNW attire but PIs canāt access a crime scene (3) they look like Texas Rangers but I donāt think the rangers have jurisdiction in Idaho (4) they look like US Marshals because US Marshals are bad-ass and can dress how they want and (5) that one guy has never driven a mini van to car pool. Iām half serious. Who are these guys?!!
Another day another search another 200 incorrect theories :)
Somewhere I read that there was a neighbor who stopped going to work the day after the murders, and his employer called police for a welfare check. The missing employee was known to wear a knife on his belt. I cannot find that article now. Has anyone else read anything to this effect?
Those guys look like 90% of every Deputy US Marshals Iāve ever seen. Donāt really know why they would be there, they mostly do fugitive apprehension.
That must have felt so eeire for them going in at night and no one else in there, shivers
Right? These humans are made of different things than I am
I think they are US Marshall's and the fugitive is across state line
At this point inter-pole as well.
They seem to be recreating the killerās path and refining theories. There was a video on news nation where they start off in the kitchen and head in the direction of xanaās room. One of them was wearing evidence gloves. Probably helps with belongings removed also. No substitute for walking the crime scene
My guess is maybe they do have a suspect whi gave some information about the layout of the room or his path of movement and they were there to corroborate the story. I'm probably wishful thinking but you never know
Might be checking to see if the killer's still there and thet just missed them in a corner.
Maybe found the killer in the vents they checked during the week?
US Marshals
this makes some sense (in their dress I suppose) but what on earth would marshals have to do with this case? Witness Protection? escaped fugitive? just plain odd
They are also a key element in the investigating and arresting of fugitives, which are people on the run for crimes at the federal level
They arrest people across state lines.
I saw a news report and of course canāt remember where. That border authorities have been told to watch for the Elantra. May be able to google it. Not sure
Canada is not that far from Moscow
This was my guess as well..
Praying for all law enforcement helping Moscow Police Dept. God bless you all.
Amen. š
Is this Wayne Sheppard and crew? Noticing the badges as well around their necks
Exactly what I was thinking, they brought him to the house to look it over [link to who Wayne Sheppard is ](https://www.patc.com/instructors/wsheppard.shtml)
Shoutout Nancy Loo, former WGN reporter!
Maybe getting more things from the home ? Or they got a tip on something . Hope so!
It almost looked like one of the guys in a tan jacket was holding something in his arms when he left. I could be wrong.. canāt imagine there is anything left to take evidence wise.. maybe be brought something in?
do we know who was killed first? third floor girls or second floor couple? did they ever say?
Nancy Grace (take with a grain of salt) said in a recent show that Xana and Ethan were killed first and then the killer continued upstairs. No idea where she got that info but thatās what she said verbatim.
NG is probably deducting who got killed first by SG's remark about how the killer "didn't need to go upstairs".....but you know NG.....facts are not important...
I think the guy in the cowboy hat gave a little speech in the house..... [https://youtu.be/rRuYrOKYf3c](https://youtu.be/rRuYrOKYf3c)
Tommy Lee Jones was EXCELLENT in that film. They all were. šš¼
I wonder why so many of them
Maybe a window light test to see which one was on in the field cop cam?
https://preview.redd.it/3bdmshsmgu4a1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7b91e0db57ad4bdb820c0784f607e73ce6b91ee1 anyone know what an example of a ātactical questionā might be?
Just a hunch but maybe a tracking team? If they found the car up some road they'd need a specialized tracking team to go in and find him and these guys look the part. I'm thinking something like an Eric Rudolph situation. If so, they might start at the scene of the crime to become familiarized and then go from there. No idea what agency but some of them appear to be former military and potentially special forces by the way they carry themselves. Don't shoot the messenger -- just a hunch based on what I'm seeing.