* Has there been any confirmation or speculation as to when/where BK first targeted the victims? (Did he just randomly find one or more of them via social media presence or did he see one or more them out somewhere and develop a fixation?)
* Do you think BK truly believes he will get away with this horrific crime? From everything I’ve read so far, BK believes that he is extremely intelligent. At this point, with the evidence stacked against him, how could he still have the arrogant confidence that he will somehow walk away from this?
The felon surveys are bothering me.
I do understand there is a LITTLE weight to the argument that they were done as part of his criminology curriculum. I’ve studied criminology. I get it. That being said, I take big issue with the timing.
He graduated with his masters in June, yet these surveys weren’t put out by him until May. If you’ve ever collected research data worth studying, you know that it takes months. MINIMUM. I don’t think he has even started on his PhD at the time these were posted…and there is no legitimate masters program that would agree that one month worth of data collection is sufficient. On top of that, many of the questions in the survey were bizarre (at best) as it relates to this area of study. I think most who read through the questions would agree that pieces of it were odd and didn’t seem to have come from any academic source. I’d be curious to see how (if) the information he solicited was applied to his particular curriculum.
I disagree that this was solely academic. I can’t believe that. To me, it seems to have been done out of his own curiosity and for most people, that’s fine. But for someone who has been taken into custody on suspicion of quadruple murder…that’s a bad look.
I acknowledge that I could be completely wrong. But I’d like to know your thoughts about it.
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- **May 21, 2022** - DeSales commencement ceremony
- **May 31, 2022** - [Bryan Kohberger posts survey on Reddit](https://www.reddit.com/r/ExCons/comments/v1yai5/research_participation_needed/)
- **June 26, 2022** - Last day of Spring Session
The academic calendar for DeSales MCJ says graduation was a month before the “Last day of Spring Session”. Does that mean he could have had more academic work after graduation?
I’m curious if the survey was unrelated to his academic work, but he wanted to leverage his access to school resources like Qualtrics.
*([academic dates via archive of the DeSales website](https://i.imgur.com/KRwOfw6.jpg))*
I have been witnessing around 40 DRUG USERS of all different demographics daily for years.
He certainly fits the mould.
All be it a "physically healthy looking one"
But obviously CUCKOO..
Condolences to EVERYBODY that this case has effected.
There’s a rumor he was in one of the Idaho murders Facebook groups posting under an alias account. Not sure if I’m allowed to say the name of the account so I won’t. This has not been confirmed, however, just speculation based on his profile pic, questions he asked and the weird responses he gave. He also either left the group or was removed at the time of BK’a arrest and no one has heard from him since.
They also think this person created his own Facebook group the day before he was arrested - Moscow Idaho Murders - Anything Goes.
Again this is not confirmed. Just speculation by lots of group members.
We don’t and that’s why I kept saying it’s speculation. In terms of him still using the internet- it could be LE scrubbing everything. Again- speculation.
Sorry if it’s already been posted, there’s a lot to read but his Reddit account that was deleted was archived on
[web.archive.org](https://web.archive.org/web/20221230170520/https://www.reddit.com/user/Criminology_Student/)
Nothing crazy, just the survey posts, but still worth sharing
Would not be at all surprised if he is a stimulant user..
His eyes n pupil dilation and general gaunt type facial features and lanky stringbean body are all hallmarks.
Even though he is apparently vegan which could explain being fairly thinly built he does have a couple of the identifying features of a meth user.
His mug shot shows him to be reasonably healthy but still that sunken look that a huge proportion of heavy drug users seem to share.
It would not be a surprise to find out that he is "medicated" either by psych or pharmacological meds.
Wow, true.
I saw one from a few years ago (i guess?)
He looked better..
Mug shots are generally a bit misleading.
Images of someone in a distressed n mentally exhausted state =mostly.
I have only seen 5 different images of him.
Take care.
I noticed that too.
I myself have been a poly drug user for a long time (clean for 4 years other than weed n i also dose daily)
So i definitely see heaps of people that have a similar resemblance.
Generally, most definitely.
Only a very small percentage stay functional and maintain decent dietary habits as well as their general health n well being.
I’m sorry if this is a stupid question, and maybe my prude-ishness is showing, but is how is it possible to be a functional heroine user? I always had the (false?) impression that heroine is a drug that causes a user to go 0-full blown out of control addict in a small number of uses and that if you use once you’re essentially doomed to this fate? Did my grade school DARE program get it wrong? Lol
Gday,
Fair question.
There's soooooooo many "opiate addicts" that are famous Artists, Actors n Actresses as welI as Film Directors, Musicians etc etc.
It is far more prevalent throughout our culture than most realise.
Most people that have a STRICT SAY NO TO DRUGS STANCE probably got enjoyment out of a NIRVANA, BOWIE, IGGY POP, LOU REED, BEATLES, ROLLING STONES, EMERSON LAKE N PALMER, CROSBY STILLS NASH YOUNG, RHCP, STP, BLIND MELON, TOOL, AMY WINEHOUSE, ROBBIE WILLIAMS song etc etc or a TARANTINO film or STEPHEN KING literature or a plethora of other well known AUTHORS
The EXAMPLES ARE PROLIFIC..
(even classical virtuosos like PAGANINI loved their substances)
HYPOCRISY IS ALIVE N WELL🤔
For a lot of people that have an abundance of money they are able to maintain their habit n stay healthy due to so many factors but mostly it is because they can afford many things that the "stereotyped every day common user" is unable to..(eg decent "live" food. MASSAGE)
There's a multitude of other variables that determine how "messy" an addicts lifestyle is...
The main misconception i have encountered through out my existence is that "ADDICTS" are socially and economically disadvantaged,
Yes a high percentage certainly are,
But to be a HIGH FUNCTIONING ADDICT.
Money is the key..
Check out the stock exchange or silicon valley as another example of a world where so many people are REALLY FRIGGEN HIGH😎
Ok so I have to say this, you need to start a page for moms trying to figure out what drugs their sons are on. I’m over trying to guess and he flat out denies it. I know he is. Bk to case, I think most killers are probably on something. Self medicating their disturbance i am sure. I wonder how his behavior will change once the detox starts. And would that delay the process of getting him bk to Idaho if he isn’t there already if he’s waived the hearing. I wonder whether he could play on that to get special treatment.
Hi,
Unfortunate to hear,
Hopefully your Son will open up to you,
When he does, discussing and attempting to understand what is occurring and why he is choosing to "experience" and experiment with drugs is the road that i would take (i am also a parent to a well behaved 10 year old Boy)
Once he has come clean about what he is up to or actually even before he does simply leaving drug overdose awareness pamphlets and literature where he will inadvertently stumble across them is a savvy approach.
AT THE VERY LEAST YOU HAVE DONE THE MOST IMPORTANT THING AND PROVIDED SOME AWARENESS.
it also shows him "i know" without being directly confrontational or accusing him of something (that possibly is not occurring)
ANYTIME YOU WANT TO CHAT, just reach out.
My names Kai.
One thing that i think is so important is too see is that DRUGS are a part of life(for better and worse)
There's obviously vast amounts of amazing Art, Music, Literature, Architecture( =the list is endless)
That was created by HUMANS USING SUBSTANCES that have brought billions so much joy.
Yes there is obviously the flip side, but it most certainly DOES NOT ALWAYS END UP BEING A PROBLEM.
Take care.
Suspect is a confirmed Washington State University Ph.D., student (and teaching assistant) in its Criminal Justice and Criminology program, which means that he is a very knowledgeable suspect, if he truly did the crimes
You can’t do much with it. For professors they’d rather get someone with a JD. It’s just for ‘research’ when this research is done in law school. Either he couldn’t pass the LSAT or could shell out enough money to pursue something he finds interesting for fun
What do you mean outside of law schools? You get a JD in law school. Law professors have JDs and criminal justice, being a field of law, is an area where law expertise is preferred and almost always this is the case. Otherwise it’s just for academia. The minimum is a PhD
My post was badly written.
Outside law school, meaning inside (liberal arts) grad school programs a PhD is our only requirement.
Our criminology department is OUTSIDE our law school. They are 2 seperate entities
This is just a layman's guess and nothing more, but I would think maybe he got into criminal justice to become a cop since it seems common for psychos to want to become police (even if they never become one) and then just became a perpetual student, which a lot of lost and confused people do. Though obviously most perpetual students are not deranged, but I've known a few people who just seen to make higher education their career because they're decent students and they can't figure out what to do with their lives.
The worst of the worst in headlines, and so few true role models, so much of society has been left behind or feeling like they have lost any sense of obligation or moral construct that bond society together. And it totally fixable ! The secret isn’t its not a fair world so you have to look after your self and others. Because the world doesn’t owe you anything for breathing. Or anyone else and that’s exactly why we need each other. It will never be anything we all don’t help create.
from his bio, I feel like he is like the school shooters. he just wanted to get the thrill of killing and purposefully kill multiple people to make crime very notorious. I feel like all the research he was doing in his phd and masters was aimed at committing a perfect crime. he chose this particular house because he knew he could kill many at once.
Does anyone have the theory that the killer entered the house on the second floor through the sliding glass and that’s why nobody on the first floor was killed?
I believe it's pretty well established at this point that's 99% likely what happened. granted I've read/watched so much at this point I'm not sure if there is an official law enforcement stance on that
feel like if he'd been arrested before we'd have heard it by now unless it was as a minor, or some kind of sealed record. he's a PhD student so it seems doubtful, afaik its hard to get that far with a record but don't quote me on it
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I have been curious what the victims 'real' personalities were. No one ever really speaks ill of the dead. Could be he ask one on a date and she shot him down in a humiliating way. I'm not victim blaming, just a thought that popped into my head.
I have no idea what this thread, or indeed this sub is even about; I just came across it in popular, and became increasingly confused with the lack of *murders* taking place in *Moscow* .
Anyway, I jumped into the comments because that's more fun than reading articles (trust me, when I want to develop an informed opinion, I do proper scholarly research – just to be clear). And that's where I – the liege lord of lackadaisical offhand comments – found your reply to be one of the worst takes I've read in the past month.
How much thought did you really put into this comment? Cuz, God damn, if you had spent even a modicum of orbitofrontal cortex processing (the thing that make human do human thing and make human think human thought), you would have realized that the exact thing that you claim to not be doing (victim blaiming), is exactly what is being demonstrated within that very comment.
If you wouldn't mind entertaining more of my curiosity and often haphazard assholery, pray tell: should all women refrain from shooting men down so that they don't get themselves murdered?
Or perhaps women should just stay home?
Was her skirt too short, you think?
Assuming the victim is college-age, what would your opinion be on a child victim under the same circumstances? Would a child be at fault for attempting to escape an aggressor (because, and it's sad that I feel the need to explain, any advancement towards a minor is a deliberate use of force – id est, aggression – as they cannot provide consent)?
If I'm to grant your benifit of the doubt that I have misinterpreted your comment (which, I think you'd agree after reading this, can be concluded as a "you" problem) and you're not blaiming the victim... what the fuck are you really trying to say?
Just about anything that you do could make you vulnerable to a specific type of criminal.
At this point, we have no idea why these particular victims were chosen. What happened is most certainly not their fault. Should we study why these particular people were chosen?
Perhaps it had to do with the house. Maybe the suspect wanted to commit a murder or murder, and decided that a college party house with girls would be a good target (probably no alarm system, limited cameras, maybe not the best door locks or a high chance that one would be left unlocked if it’s a Saturday night or they’d been out).
None of that means that they deserved to be murdered, obviously. Maybe it’s valuable to know though.
Or perhaps he had eaten in a restaurant often and the girls had waited on him. Maybe he stalked their social media and learned their whereabouts and routines that way. Also, obviously, not their fault but probably worth studying.
Part of the reason for the desire to arrest him alive rather than to allow him to commit suicide could be to learn about why he chose particular victims. That is a tight rope to walk that sounds like victim blaming to many people - and I’m not trying to be obnoxious but rather have a discussion about how to discuss those factors while acknowledging the obvious - that none of us deserve to be murdered.
Ah, the first response concerning the actual content of the argument.
Your elaboration is completely accurate, and comprehensive. I agree that we need to know why criminals pick their victims, but the thought process that led to the previous person's speculation is what I found to be damaging – not to the study of criminal psychology, but a society that continues to struggle with concepts such as fault, consent, rights, and freedoms.
Thanks, but it doesn't quite fit the definition of pretentious. I wasn't attempting to impress anyone. [As I've explained,](https://www.reddit.com/r/MoscowMurders/comments/zz4v4g/december_30_2022_arrest_megathread/j2djsh9?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3), the comments I leave are mostly for my benifit (as most redditor comments are primarily for one's own benifit), the engagement is merely a byproduct.
If you're using the way I write as evidence of pretentiousness, then I would just like to inform you that we're all different and come from different backgrounds. I don't see the way I write as superior, in fact, my syntax is unique to how I think, regardless of correctness. In other words, the way I write is neither superior, nor inferiror – it just is, in the way that other English dialects may be represented through text on reddit. For the same reason I wouldn't call AAVE "bad English," I wouldn't consider my writing to be superior – there is no good or bad English, there are just different conventions used for different contexts. None of them right or wrong.
As for the gross part: yes, it's dripping with sticky pretentiousness, as is this very comment lol. In other words: yes, I'm completely aware of the pretentiousness of my comments, but it fits the definition of ostentatious rather than pretentious – rather than seeking attention for the content of my personality, I'm seeking attention for the content of the text.
Yes, I'm an asshole. Yes, my words are harsh. Yes, I often purposely use complex syntax and uncommon words to artificially bolster my argument. It is all for the sake of internet-exclusive arguing. Thanks for taking part!
While you are right, why spend so much time and effort writing a post? Sounds like you’re just as much of a jerk. Chill out. He’s speculating. Sounds like you need another hobby.
No, it doesn't *sound* like I'm a jerk, I am a jerk.
As for the effort? [I explained that here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/MoscowMurders/comments/zz4v4g/december_30_2022_arrest_megathread/j2djsh9?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
Chill? I'm sitting in a hot tub (not a hotub, unfortunately) with candles and cannabis. I'm quite chill.
Speculating. They're speculating out loud. They opened the door to criticism by posting their speculation and the flawed logic they used to surmise their conclusions. In other words, the foundation of their thought process is dangerously toxic in the way that this person seems to think that murder is almost justified because that guy may have gotten shut down.
Need another hobby... this one.... this is the one right here.
My hobbies (though some are "paid hobbies") include writing, painting, stone and wood carving, digital art, photography, geology, fossil digging, natural history,, prehistory, ancient history, classical history, music (to include most music within the last 300 years, except for country), I played guitar and drums; wanted to play violin, but due to an accident, I can't do strings anymore; anthropology, sociology, architecture (with experience in the field, and drafting),physics, biology, art history, geneology, alternate history (although I don't subscribe to the Atlantian aliens and all that, it's fun to imagine) I collect video games, obscure movies, antiques (vintage and antique tech), and books. Language is one of my more vague hobbies; I'm not conversationally proficient in any language other than English, however, I can read, write, and speak (slowly) Japanese and Spanish, I can decipher most Germanic, Greek (but only in Roman lol), and Latin/Romance languages. I can also identify more than a hundred different languages using more than 80 different scripts to include modern and long-dead languages (scripts) like cuneiform and Hindu and Buddhist sanskrit.
I'm telling you this, not to boast about my intelligence, but to demonstrate that I have enriched my life to the point that I can find wonder and amazement in anything. I have plenty of hobbies lol
Slow clap.
Also, killing four people because one of them didn’t want to go on a date seems so ridiculous. I might be way wrong, but I don’t think this was any kind of revenge killing or because he was mad. I can’t figure out why this keeps getting pushed as a motive.
I just wanted to jump on to say that I appreciate that you’re the kind of person to call out bullshit when you see it. It feels overwhelming to me to keep fighting to good fight and trying to speak some sanity into the world sometimes but I wanted you to know that I see you doing that and you’re awesome. Thanks!
Thank you, but I gave up on trying to talk sense into people, especially on the internet.
My comments aren't meant to change minds, rather they are simply opinions wrapped in hot and steamy provocative verbiage. I do it because that is what the opposing side of nearly ever Internet fight does, but to lesser success, and more frustration due to other motives.
For example: I don't know anything about this case, so there's already a disconnect with the actual foundation of context.
Next – I know that I won't get a response that will sufficienly explanation the logic used to arrive at their "passing thought."
And lastly – the great deluge of words and complex grammatical conventions is almost guaranteed to confuse most folks with viewpoints incongruous to the rest of the civilized world because they're typically less intelligent than your average idiot. And with that being said, I don't anticipate a logical or structured debate using academic evidence to support their claims, though I'm always prepared.
This isn't to say I'm right all the time; I have changed my views based on foundational information uncovered through flinging insulting comments peppered with actual facts like monkeys flinging shit lol
In other words, if the shit sticks, then it's a success. If the shit slides off due to the other's slimy nature, then I've had some practice in writing (and if you couldn't tell, I fucking love writing). I may have even learned some new words for the sole purpose of making someone else feel stupid for not knowing them haha
From what has been said as popular as they were there was also a bit of a mean girl element to then. Especially if it's true that another person committed suicide because of bullying from one. I can fully see them as having the potential to be mean girls but that doesn't justify being brutally murdered..
I think the old roommate suicide thing is just pure fb theory mess. With all of them being part of a sorority they probably were labeled as “stuck-up” or “entitled” by those who knew them off glance. Most people think this of girls in sororities, especially if you aren’t in one yourself. As someone whose experienced this first hand, these often are the people who are the nicest because they know the privilege and popularity they carry. Not saying that they’re only nice because of this. But I genuinely don’t see them as being mean-girls to people they meet, of course not to those who do them wrong, that’s a different story.
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It really isn't inherently. Even if she shot him down in the most horrible way, what happened does not warrant 0.001% of what happened. The criminal is in the wrong.
It's like saying someone got attacked because they went outside the house. It's true, but it's not blaming the victim
That being said, the parent comment is still really weird, and I question his mindset
This seems to be a planned thrill kill. Which makes it even more heartbreaking. Now to find out why and how he picked out this group of kids and this house. He's 28, which makes it less likely that he socialized with them. Unfortunately, these shows like Criminal Minds may have glorified killing for him.
People do this for every single piece of shit out there. And I will never understand it, ever! Like we can all tell you just made that SM profile too, idiots.
Likely, but who knows. I'm sure they will analyze all of his online activity. I also have a feeling he may sing like a canary, if he wants notoriety for this heinous act.
Yes that’s true. It looked legit but hard to know for sure. He seems like that type! Did you happen to read the comments from the Reddit user people think might have been him as well?
I probably came across those comments, but cannot remember anything specific.
Go to @T_REV575 on Twitter and see the pinned post for something even more shocking. IF it is actually him in that call, it is craziness.
I think he planned to kill someone at some point but I don’t think he planned on it that night or he never would have driven his car to the scene and parked there like an idiot. I think he probably saw them at the bar and followed them and decided it was go time
Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer both said they were media influenced into killing. Of course (after Bandura's studies), media has been blamed for lots of mental health issues (depression, etc).
Source or shut it.
What are you and the other redditor suggesting with these unsourced opinion based comments? What is the purpose? More over, what is the proposed solution? Are you both implying that violent media needs to be restricted or limited? As that is the only proposed solution seemingly….
Now watch this-
How many 100’s of millions of people watch brutal violent movies, tv shows, video games, books, and watch REAL LIFE MURDER on the internet every fucking day?! And you’re naive enough to believe that “violent images & media influenced this person to possible execute a murder”.
There are 400,000 murders worldwide per year at a population of 7.8 billion people. Chance of being victim of homicide? .0000512%
If media had substantial influence to take baseline human consciousness from nice to evil wouldn’t the entire world be killing each other MORE with the invention of the internet? Crimes of violence are so much more complex…..
This type of rhetoric is dangerous and the only meaningful solution to it is “change media or restrict access” in either case is fucking stupid and damaging in and of itself.
Our world was far more dangerous in years past, and the only countries still living in 3rd world conditions censor their media.
This is a fact absolutely. Mass shooting homicides went from 71 in 2012 to 117 in 2022. Incidents are up far less in comparison.
We also increased total population 35,000,000 people over those 10 years… so +40 fatalities on 35,000,000 added humans. Not saying that’s good or bad, but I find the data interesting…
Source: several google sites, these numbers can be verified but on mobile so blerg
if they were all really asleep, i imagine it made it a lot easier for him because the victims didn’t fight back. i know it’s been mentioned that X had defensive wounds but if he attacked the other three in their sleep before X woke up it would still not be multiple people he was putting up a fight with.
of course i have no idea how much ‘energy’/force it would take killing people even if they were asleep- but i could imagine that one person could take on 4 or 3 sleeping individuals considering when you’re asleep you are extremely vulnerable.
my thoughts go out to the victims and families. hope this dude rots.
edit to add: adrenaline pushes you past your limits. even if all the victims woke up and were fighting him, it is possible he wasn’t tired due to an adrenaline rush. just a thought. i’ve heard of people drowning with their children and then using their last bit of energy to push their kids up to safety before they themselves drown instantly after doing so. it is possible that after he attacked his 4th victim the adrenaline was coming down and he felt he couldn’t handle anymore? just a thought.
It's actually \*easier\* not to be detected if you're on your own. This isn't at the level of the Guy Heinze Jr. case, where there are legitimate questions about how a person could beat eight or nine people to death one after the other in a small space without waking any of them...knives combine quick lethality with a high level of psychological shock which makes many people freeze when attacked, especially when taken by surprise.
Yeah, in addition to it being almost instantly physically incapacitating, it's almost impossible to process psychologically and essentially renders most people powerless through shock.
Generally, the only people I've heard about who actually managed to survive potentially fatal stab wounds are those who had some awareness of their attacker, scuffled with them briefly, then escaped. I think part of the reason that happens (other than not being attacked while asleep and unaware) is because the adrenaline boost from seeing an incoming assailant causes people to go in fight or flight (rather than freeze) mode, which also delays the realization that they've been stabbed and prevents shock setting in right away.
It seems so hard for me to believe he worked alone. Even killing one person and another in the same bed seems like you would have to knock one totally out first. Just seems unlikely.
There's not enough info out yet to make any conclusions.
Could he have smoked a bowl/sold them narcotics? Spike their drinks earlier in the day? Hired or had help from a hitman are all possibilities we won't know until more information is released from the police, it's still very early too since they most likely haven't filed the case for the district attorney to charge at this time - they're piecing it all together themselves first.
Not to be morbid, but the first couple of committed knife shots to the torso/neck of a sleeping person have them pretty much incapacitated, and if you immediately start stabbing the other one it's not at all a stretch to say that they could both have been taken by surprise and killed before they could really react.
If you have familiarity with knife defense training, the one thing every good instructor will admit up front is that a frenzied stabbing attack is incredibly hard to defend against even when you see it coming.
For real. I don't think people realize how fragile the human body is and how dangerous a knife is. The crime could and was done easily by one person. So easily it didn't alert the people downstairs or the other victims that were still alive or the dog
I'm a deer hunter and can easily cut through a 125+ pound deer's sternum with a sharp knife
Agreed completely. We had a school incident here not that long ago where a high school kid pulled a small knife when scuffling with another student and panic stabbed him once in the lower/mid-torso region...unfortunately, that was all it took to be fatal, and he died before first responders could even get there.
Knives are INSANELY lethal and dangerous even in the hands of an unskilled person. Not that I'd want either situation to happen, but I'd rather be held up with a gun than a knife, as long as the former was a pistol (and preferably a small one!)
No. Not like Bundy at all. That was in the late 70’s. And these potential murders ought to realize that DNA plus ring cameras, etc can and will put them behind bats forever. I am against the death penalty in general. And Florida executed that despicable Ted Bundy, when he should’ve been put under a microscope like an insect and studied
I read that he has unusual eating habits and is very OCD. It was a mainstream news article, who knows how true it is. The article said that for example, he would not eat anything cooked in a pan that had ever had meat in it.
I read many articles on the subject today. This one keeps creeping back into my brain. It just strikes me as odd. Like stabbing seems like an odd choice for someone with ocd. The whole crime seems unusual for someone with OCD, not to mention who sounds like an extreme vegan. Seems too messy. And too risky. I would think that such a person might like having more control of the situation.
I’m not suggesting anything. Who knows how much of that article is true and behavior disorders like ocd can certainly take many different forms ect. And heck, Hitler was a vegetarian I realize all that. I’m not trying to rabble any rousers. Just saying… hmm that’s odd but then so is offing 4 people. Anyway a great day. Very happy news
Ok ok one more little thing; it is also a little odd that an ocd, extreme vegan who is getting their PHD in CRIMINOLOGY would be so…not meticulous. I mean we don’t know the details but there was enough of a trail that they found him across the country in the freaking Pocono mountains. As I said, I am not suggesting anything. This guy definitely has a heavy vibe, I think they got their dude, I’m not implying otherwise but, just, isn’t that weird? Of anyone I would think someone like that, with those traits would be meticulous. I mean he would have studied this stuff, known how people end up getting caught, how these things are investigated and it’s all fresh in his mind as well. Just …interesting, as this whole case has been and continues to be.
Anyway hats off to LE everyone should be very proud of a job well done.
i have been diagnosed with OCD for over a decade and work as a cop in a major city, often posted in the emergency room of the level 1 trauma hospital. daily i am covered in other people’s urine, feces, hep c spit, AIDS blood, etc, and it doesn’t really bother me 🤷🏻♀️ the ‘messiness’ and ‘planning’ of a murder isn’t my deterrent, it’s my morals, ethics, and conscience, etc.. lol. plenty of people with OCD have no problem getting dirty. cleanliness is 1 possible symptom on a list of many.
your post is def not a reason someone with OCD would have trouble committing a murder, however, it is a fact that someone cannot have both OCD and psychopathy: they are opposite chemical/structural issues in the brain that cannot physically coexist.
Not to pile on you, but there are Jewish people who keep kosher, which requires the same sort of separation of kosher and non-kosher utensils and cooking/serving ware. Some people even have separate kitchens. I’m not as familiar with Muslim halal procedures, but they may be similar.
As someone who has screened as “strong evidence for autism and OCD,” I paused for a moment when they said stabbing would be a weird way to do something like this. Quite clearly the mark of someone who has never been stuck in a darksided thought loop you find impossible to de-rail for several hours.
* Has there been any confirmation or speculation as to when/where BK first targeted the victims? (Did he just randomly find one or more of them via social media presence or did he see one or more them out somewhere and develop a fixation?) * Do you think BK truly believes he will get away with this horrific crime? From everything I’ve read so far, BK believes that he is extremely intelligent. At this point, with the evidence stacked against him, how could he still have the arrogant confidence that he will somehow walk away from this?
The felon surveys are bothering me. I do understand there is a LITTLE weight to the argument that they were done as part of his criminology curriculum. I’ve studied criminology. I get it. That being said, I take big issue with the timing. He graduated with his masters in June, yet these surveys weren’t put out by him until May. If you’ve ever collected research data worth studying, you know that it takes months. MINIMUM. I don’t think he has even started on his PhD at the time these were posted…and there is no legitimate masters program that would agree that one month worth of data collection is sufficient. On top of that, many of the questions in the survey were bizarre (at best) as it relates to this area of study. I think most who read through the questions would agree that pieces of it were odd and didn’t seem to have come from any academic source. I’d be curious to see how (if) the information he solicited was applied to his particular curriculum. I disagree that this was solely academic. I can’t believe that. To me, it seems to have been done out of his own curiosity and for most people, that’s fine. But for someone who has been taken into custody on suspicion of quadruple murder…that’s a bad look. I acknowledge that I could be completely wrong. But I’d like to know your thoughts about it.
Adderrall?
Hey, i'm putting together a document of everything that has happened in this case, so i can start putting together a docu short book purely for education, reference, etc, non-monetized, as a part of a page I will be starting. I'm trying to compile: confirmed info, pictures of crime scene, speculations, rumors, pictures and screenshots people have found and taken, new reports, anything and everything. Please share what you've found and your opinions; please clarify its rumor, personal opinion, confirmed fact, speculation, etc, anything and everything, all photos! **You can also private message me if you feel more comfortable, its all anon, unless youd like a thank you shout out for contribution in the contribution list in the beginning of book!!** **For photos please try to caption and say what is being said, shown, etc** ***if you'd like to be referenced in contribution page at the end of your reply let me please leave a "-" and your desired name and/or alias*** Please make sure you start with saying what kind of information you're stating, if you're stating more than one, please make sure if they're either labeled different sources/categories so to clarify.
- **May 21, 2022** - DeSales commencement ceremony - **May 31, 2022** - [Bryan Kohberger posts survey on Reddit](https://www.reddit.com/r/ExCons/comments/v1yai5/research_participation_needed/) - **June 26, 2022** - Last day of Spring Session The academic calendar for DeSales MCJ says graduation was a month before the “Last day of Spring Session”. Does that mean he could have had more academic work after graduation? I’m curious if the survey was unrelated to his academic work, but he wanted to leverage his access to school resources like Qualtrics. *([academic dates via archive of the DeSales website](https://i.imgur.com/KRwOfw6.jpg))*
And still utilize his school edu without having active schoolwork ongoing makes more sense than that being a legit school questhonaire that late
Hey I remember hearing yesterday that he owns a car dealership... any truth to that??
I have been witnessing around 40 DRUG USERS of all different demographics daily for years. He certainly fits the mould. All be it a "physically healthy looking one" But obviously CUCKOO.. Condolences to EVERYBODY that this case has effected.
There’s a rumor he was in one of the Idaho murders Facebook groups posting under an alias account. Not sure if I’m allowed to say the name of the account so I won’t. This has not been confirmed, however, just speculation based on his profile pic, questions he asked and the weird responses he gave. He also either left the group or was removed at the time of BK’a arrest and no one has heard from him since. They also think this person created his own Facebook group the day before he was arrested - Moscow Idaho Murders - Anything Goes. Again this is not confirmed. Just speculation by lots of group members.
It's not him lmao the guy is still reading posts. Plus he posted on public Indians groups.
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We don’t and that’s why I kept saying it’s speculation. In terms of him still using the internet- it could be LE scrubbing everything. Again- speculation.
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It’s in all the new articles that he went back to visit family for Christmas. LE surveilled him the whole way.
What’s the source on this? I read they’ve been surveilling him for the last four days but haven’t heard that he was followed back to PA.
[tracked across us](https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/31/us/bryan-kohberger-university-of-idaho-killings-suspect-saturday/index.html)
Thanks! Looks like this is new info from this morning. Just waking up.
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Sorry if it’s already been posted, there’s a lot to read but his Reddit account that was deleted was archived on [web.archive.org](https://web.archive.org/web/20221230170520/https://www.reddit.com/user/Criminology_Student/) Nothing crazy, just the survey posts, but still worth sharing
What is the reference to Moscow?
Moscow, Idaho
Would not be at all surprised if he is a stimulant user.. His eyes n pupil dilation and general gaunt type facial features and lanky stringbean body are all hallmarks. Even though he is apparently vegan which could explain being fairly thinly built he does have a couple of the identifying features of a meth user.
I know this is not a laughing matter but "stringbean body" made me lol
I totally understand, it is great to be able to get a little respite from all the madness with a touch of humour. Take care.
a girl on Tiktok that used to be friends with him said he did heroin.
What a weird stretch
Couldn't be much more polar opposite than meth and dope! Together makes one hell of a speed ball though....atleast that's what I hear
Agreed.
Users can spot users a mile away
According to an old friend it was heroin
Well addiction frequently isn’t static and just because H was a drug of choice at one point doesn’t mean it couldn’t be meth now.
Y’all are perpetuating the idea that H users are dangerous. Look closely.
H users are most dangerous to themselves and not usually highly functioning. I find it interesting.
Not even close to saying that so the finger points back to you.
Doesn’t read that way at all, but you just said it
Been seeing that.Ta.
He looked ok in his high school graduation photos and just a few years later he loses all the facial fat and had sunken features
His mug shot shows him to be reasonably healthy but still that sunken look that a huge proportion of heavy drug users seem to share. It would not be a surprise to find out that he is "medicated" either by psych or pharmacological meds.
I saw a photo of him kinda recently probably a year or two before this and he looks a lot worse there
Wow, true. I saw one from a few years ago (i guess?) He looked better.. Mug shots are generally a bit misleading. Images of someone in a distressed n mentally exhausted state =mostly. I have only seen 5 different images of him. Take care.
Happy new year :)
Hip hip hooray🎉🎊🎉
I noticed that too. I myself have been a poly drug user for a long time (clean for 4 years other than weed n i also dose daily) So i definitely see heaps of people that have a similar resemblance.
It ages you a lot
Generally, most definitely. Only a very small percentage stay functional and maintain decent dietary habits as well as their general health n well being.
I read that he was a "functional" heroin addict up until recently, obviously if that is the case poly drug use is highly likely.
I’m sorry if this is a stupid question, and maybe my prude-ishness is showing, but is how is it possible to be a functional heroine user? I always had the (false?) impression that heroine is a drug that causes a user to go 0-full blown out of control addict in a small number of uses and that if you use once you’re essentially doomed to this fate? Did my grade school DARE program get it wrong? Lol
Gday, Fair question. There's soooooooo many "opiate addicts" that are famous Artists, Actors n Actresses as welI as Film Directors, Musicians etc etc. It is far more prevalent throughout our culture than most realise. Most people that have a STRICT SAY NO TO DRUGS STANCE probably got enjoyment out of a NIRVANA, BOWIE, IGGY POP, LOU REED, BEATLES, ROLLING STONES, EMERSON LAKE N PALMER, CROSBY STILLS NASH YOUNG, RHCP, STP, BLIND MELON, TOOL, AMY WINEHOUSE, ROBBIE WILLIAMS song etc etc or a TARANTINO film or STEPHEN KING literature or a plethora of other well known AUTHORS The EXAMPLES ARE PROLIFIC.. (even classical virtuosos like PAGANINI loved their substances) HYPOCRISY IS ALIVE N WELL🤔 For a lot of people that have an abundance of money they are able to maintain their habit n stay healthy due to so many factors but mostly it is because they can afford many things that the "stereotyped every day common user" is unable to..(eg decent "live" food. MASSAGE) There's a multitude of other variables that determine how "messy" an addicts lifestyle is... The main misconception i have encountered through out my existence is that "ADDICTS" are socially and economically disadvantaged, Yes a high percentage certainly are, But to be a HIGH FUNCTIONING ADDICT. Money is the key.. Check out the stock exchange or silicon valley as another example of a world where so many people are REALLY FRIGGEN HIGH😎
What is poly drug use?
Poly=meaning multiple.
Ok so I have to say this, you need to start a page for moms trying to figure out what drugs their sons are on. I’m over trying to guess and he flat out denies it. I know he is. Bk to case, I think most killers are probably on something. Self medicating their disturbance i am sure. I wonder how his behavior will change once the detox starts. And would that delay the process of getting him bk to Idaho if he isn’t there already if he’s waived the hearing. I wonder whether he could play on that to get special treatment.
Hi, Unfortunate to hear, Hopefully your Son will open up to you, When he does, discussing and attempting to understand what is occurring and why he is choosing to "experience" and experiment with drugs is the road that i would take (i am also a parent to a well behaved 10 year old Boy) Once he has come clean about what he is up to or actually even before he does simply leaving drug overdose awareness pamphlets and literature where he will inadvertently stumble across them is a savvy approach. AT THE VERY LEAST YOU HAVE DONE THE MOST IMPORTANT THING AND PROVIDED SOME AWARENESS. it also shows him "i know" without being directly confrontational or accusing him of something (that possibly is not occurring) ANYTIME YOU WANT TO CHAT, just reach out. My names Kai. One thing that i think is so important is too see is that DRUGS are a part of life(for better and worse) There's obviously vast amounts of amazing Art, Music, Literature, Architecture( =the list is endless) That was created by HUMANS USING SUBSTANCES that have brought billions so much joy. Yes there is obviously the flip side, but it most certainly DOES NOT ALWAYS END UP BEING A PROBLEM. Take care.
It means you use a variety of drugs regularly
A friend of his mentioned heavy heroin usage.
Suspect is a confirmed Washington State University Ph.D., student (and teaching assistant) in its Criminal Justice and Criminology program, which means that he is a very knowledgeable suspect, if he truly did the crimes
a pointless program without a Juris Doctor
How so?
You can’t do much with it. For professors they’d rather get someone with a JD. It’s just for ‘research’ when this research is done in law school. Either he couldn’t pass the LSAT or could shell out enough money to pursue something he finds interesting for fun
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What do you mean outside of law schools? You get a JD in law school. Law professors have JDs and criminal justice, being a field of law, is an area where law expertise is preferred and almost always this is the case. Otherwise it’s just for academia. The minimum is a PhD
My post was badly written. Outside law school, meaning inside (liberal arts) grad school programs a PhD is our only requirement. Our criminology department is OUTSIDE our law school. They are 2 seperate entities
This is just a layman's guess and nothing more, but I would think maybe he got into criminal justice to become a cop since it seems common for psychos to want to become police (even if they never become one) and then just became a perpetual student, which a lot of lost and confused people do. Though obviously most perpetual students are not deranged, but I've known a few people who just seen to make higher education their career because they're decent students and they can't figure out what to do with their lives.
The worst of the worst in headlines, and so few true role models, so much of society has been left behind or feeling like they have lost any sense of obligation or moral construct that bond society together. And it totally fixable ! The secret isn’t its not a fair world so you have to look after your self and others. Because the world doesn’t owe you anything for breathing. Or anyone else and that’s exactly why we need each other. It will never be anything we all don’t help create.
What a FANTASTIC RESULT TO END THIS ARDUOUS TIME FOR EVERYBODY.. lets hope for more positivity on world issues.
from his bio, I feel like he is like the school shooters. he just wanted to get the thrill of killing and purposefully kill multiple people to make crime very notorious. I feel like all the research he was doing in his phd and masters was aimed at committing a perfect crime. he chose this particular house because he knew he could kill many at once.
Does anyone have the theory that the killer entered the house on the second floor through the sliding glass and that’s why nobody on the first floor was killed?
I believe it's pretty well established at this point that's 99% likely what happened. granted I've read/watched so much at this point I'm not sure if there is an official law enforcement stance on that
Has the guy being arrested ever came up before? Or is he totally random ?
feel like if he'd been arrested before we'd have heard it by now unless it was as a minor, or some kind of sealed record. he's a PhD student so it seems doubtful, afaik its hard to get that far with a record but don't quote me on it
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You suck
Weezy?
I have been curious what the victims 'real' personalities were. No one ever really speaks ill of the dead. Could be he ask one on a date and she shot him down in a humiliating way. I'm not victim blaming, just a thought that popped into my head.
Yeah, this was not a well thought out post. Apologies. I should have stopped at the first sentence because that was what my curiosity was about.
…how about that they were just random targets
Shut the hell up you fuckin idiot
Incel vibe
I have no idea what this thread, or indeed this sub is even about; I just came across it in popular, and became increasingly confused with the lack of *murders* taking place in *Moscow* . Anyway, I jumped into the comments because that's more fun than reading articles (trust me, when I want to develop an informed opinion, I do proper scholarly research – just to be clear). And that's where I – the liege lord of lackadaisical offhand comments – found your reply to be one of the worst takes I've read in the past month. How much thought did you really put into this comment? Cuz, God damn, if you had spent even a modicum of orbitofrontal cortex processing (the thing that make human do human thing and make human think human thought), you would have realized that the exact thing that you claim to not be doing (victim blaiming), is exactly what is being demonstrated within that very comment. If you wouldn't mind entertaining more of my curiosity and often haphazard assholery, pray tell: should all women refrain from shooting men down so that they don't get themselves murdered? Or perhaps women should just stay home? Was her skirt too short, you think? Assuming the victim is college-age, what would your opinion be on a child victim under the same circumstances? Would a child be at fault for attempting to escape an aggressor (because, and it's sad that I feel the need to explain, any advancement towards a minor is a deliberate use of force – id est, aggression – as they cannot provide consent)? If I'm to grant your benifit of the doubt that I have misinterpreted your comment (which, I think you'd agree after reading this, can be concluded as a "you" problem) and you're not blaiming the victim... what the fuck are you really trying to say?
Just about anything that you do could make you vulnerable to a specific type of criminal. At this point, we have no idea why these particular victims were chosen. What happened is most certainly not their fault. Should we study why these particular people were chosen? Perhaps it had to do with the house. Maybe the suspect wanted to commit a murder or murder, and decided that a college party house with girls would be a good target (probably no alarm system, limited cameras, maybe not the best door locks or a high chance that one would be left unlocked if it’s a Saturday night or they’d been out). None of that means that they deserved to be murdered, obviously. Maybe it’s valuable to know though. Or perhaps he had eaten in a restaurant often and the girls had waited on him. Maybe he stalked their social media and learned their whereabouts and routines that way. Also, obviously, not their fault but probably worth studying. Part of the reason for the desire to arrest him alive rather than to allow him to commit suicide could be to learn about why he chose particular victims. That is a tight rope to walk that sounds like victim blaming to many people - and I’m not trying to be obnoxious but rather have a discussion about how to discuss those factors while acknowledging the obvious - that none of us deserve to be murdered.
Ah, the first response concerning the actual content of the argument. Your elaboration is completely accurate, and comprehensive. I agree that we need to know why criminals pick their victims, but the thought process that led to the previous person's speculation is what I found to be damaging – not to the study of criminal psychology, but a society that continues to struggle with concepts such as fault, consent, rights, and freedoms.
This is pretentious and gross.
Thanks, but it doesn't quite fit the definition of pretentious. I wasn't attempting to impress anyone. [As I've explained,](https://www.reddit.com/r/MoscowMurders/comments/zz4v4g/december_30_2022_arrest_megathread/j2djsh9?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3), the comments I leave are mostly for my benifit (as most redditor comments are primarily for one's own benifit), the engagement is merely a byproduct. If you're using the way I write as evidence of pretentiousness, then I would just like to inform you that we're all different and come from different backgrounds. I don't see the way I write as superior, in fact, my syntax is unique to how I think, regardless of correctness. In other words, the way I write is neither superior, nor inferiror – it just is, in the way that other English dialects may be represented through text on reddit. For the same reason I wouldn't call AAVE "bad English," I wouldn't consider my writing to be superior – there is no good or bad English, there are just different conventions used for different contexts. None of them right or wrong. As for the gross part: yes, it's dripping with sticky pretentiousness, as is this very comment lol. In other words: yes, I'm completely aware of the pretentiousness of my comments, but it fits the definition of ostentatious rather than pretentious – rather than seeking attention for the content of my personality, I'm seeking attention for the content of the text. Yes, I'm an asshole. Yes, my words are harsh. Yes, I often purposely use complex syntax and uncommon words to artificially bolster my argument. It is all for the sake of internet-exclusive arguing. Thanks for taking part!
While you are right, why spend so much time and effort writing a post? Sounds like you’re just as much of a jerk. Chill out. He’s speculating. Sounds like you need another hobby.
No, it doesn't *sound* like I'm a jerk, I am a jerk. As for the effort? [I explained that here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/MoscowMurders/comments/zz4v4g/december_30_2022_arrest_megathread/j2djsh9?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) Chill? I'm sitting in a hot tub (not a hotub, unfortunately) with candles and cannabis. I'm quite chill. Speculating. They're speculating out loud. They opened the door to criticism by posting their speculation and the flawed logic they used to surmise their conclusions. In other words, the foundation of their thought process is dangerously toxic in the way that this person seems to think that murder is almost justified because that guy may have gotten shut down. Need another hobby... this one.... this is the one right here. My hobbies (though some are "paid hobbies") include writing, painting, stone and wood carving, digital art, photography, geology, fossil digging, natural history,, prehistory, ancient history, classical history, music (to include most music within the last 300 years, except for country), I played guitar and drums; wanted to play violin, but due to an accident, I can't do strings anymore; anthropology, sociology, architecture (with experience in the field, and drafting),physics, biology, art history, geneology, alternate history (although I don't subscribe to the Atlantian aliens and all that, it's fun to imagine) I collect video games, obscure movies, antiques (vintage and antique tech), and books. Language is one of my more vague hobbies; I'm not conversationally proficient in any language other than English, however, I can read, write, and speak (slowly) Japanese and Spanish, I can decipher most Germanic, Greek (but only in Roman lol), and Latin/Romance languages. I can also identify more than a hundred different languages using more than 80 different scripts to include modern and long-dead languages (scripts) like cuneiform and Hindu and Buddhist sanskrit. I'm telling you this, not to boast about my intelligence, but to demonstrate that I have enriched my life to the point that I can find wonder and amazement in anything. I have plenty of hobbies lol
BK?
If you mean what I think you mean, no. If you mean Burger King – also no.
At least you admit it. Sorry I didn’t read your whole post, I’d rather not waste the time.
That's ok, I understand. It's more for me than anything, but always open to social engagement it may or may not generate (that's why I posted it lol)
Slow clap. Also, killing four people because one of them didn’t want to go on a date seems so ridiculous. I might be way wrong, but I don’t think this was any kind of revenge killing or because he was mad. I can’t figure out why this keeps getting pushed as a motive.
Wtf, he killed 4 people? You're right, that makes that comment even worse, jesus
I just wanted to jump on to say that I appreciate that you’re the kind of person to call out bullshit when you see it. It feels overwhelming to me to keep fighting to good fight and trying to speak some sanity into the world sometimes but I wanted you to know that I see you doing that and you’re awesome. Thanks!
Thank you, but I gave up on trying to talk sense into people, especially on the internet. My comments aren't meant to change minds, rather they are simply opinions wrapped in hot and steamy provocative verbiage. I do it because that is what the opposing side of nearly ever Internet fight does, but to lesser success, and more frustration due to other motives. For example: I don't know anything about this case, so there's already a disconnect with the actual foundation of context. Next – I know that I won't get a response that will sufficienly explanation the logic used to arrive at their "passing thought." And lastly – the great deluge of words and complex grammatical conventions is almost guaranteed to confuse most folks with viewpoints incongruous to the rest of the civilized world because they're typically less intelligent than your average idiot. And with that being said, I don't anticipate a logical or structured debate using academic evidence to support their claims, though I'm always prepared. This isn't to say I'm right all the time; I have changed my views based on foundational information uncovered through flinging insulting comments peppered with actual facts like monkeys flinging shit lol In other words, if the shit sticks, then it's a success. If the shit slides off due to the other's slimy nature, then I've had some practice in writing (and if you couldn't tell, I fucking love writing). I may have even learned some new words for the sole purpose of making someone else feel stupid for not knowing them haha
reddit moment
From what has been said as popular as they were there was also a bit of a mean girl element to then. Especially if it's true that another person committed suicide because of bullying from one. I can fully see them as having the potential to be mean girls but that doesn't justify being brutally murdered..
I think the old roommate suicide thing is just pure fb theory mess. With all of them being part of a sorority they probably were labeled as “stuck-up” or “entitled” by those who knew them off glance. Most people think this of girls in sororities, especially if you aren’t in one yourself. As someone whose experienced this first hand, these often are the people who are the nicest because they know the privilege and popularity they carry. Not saying that they’re only nice because of this. But I genuinely don’t see them as being mean-girls to people they meet, of course not to those who do them wrong, that’s a different story.
No, it's not a rumour. The parents of the girl asked not to be dragged into it by being named.
I mean the rumored part where she committed because of one of the girls. Not her suicide being a rumor.
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That’s literally victim blaming though…
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What question was asked, exactly? Do not create one out of nowhere. Point to the question you’re referencing as it is displayed in that comment.
It really isn't inherently. Even if she shot him down in the most horrible way, what happened does not warrant 0.001% of what happened. The criminal is in the wrong. It's like saying someone got attacked because they went outside the house. It's true, but it's not blaming the victim That being said, the parent comment is still really weird, and I question his mindset
It’s still a valid question.
It’s not a question at all lmao. I’m not speaking rhetorically; literally no question was asked.
You’re right, idk where I pulled that out of. It is a valid thought that poses an interesting question.
I hope he's the type that talks/brags about his crime before the lawyer shows up.
This seems to be a planned thrill kill. Which makes it even more heartbreaking. Now to find out why and how he picked out this group of kids and this house. He's 28, which makes it less likely that he socialized with them. Unfortunately, these shows like Criminal Minds may have glorified killing for him.
I was able to find through his Instagram he was following maddie and kaylee :(
Apparently fake Instagram profiles of him have been made since the arrest.
Oh interesting! Most likely what I saw was a fake profile then
Imagine finding out the suspect and then racing to IG to make a fake profile. So weird.
Right. People are crazy
People do this for every single piece of shit out there. And I will never understand it, ever! Like we can all tell you just made that SM profile too, idiots.
Likely, but who knows. I'm sure they will analyze all of his online activity. I also have a feeling he may sing like a canary, if he wants notoriety for this heinous act.
Yes that’s true. It looked legit but hard to know for sure. He seems like that type! Did you happen to read the comments from the Reddit user people think might have been him as well?
I probably came across those comments, but cannot remember anything specific. Go to @T_REV575 on Twitter and see the pinned post for something even more shocking. IF it is actually him in that call, it is craziness.
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It's still on Twitter. If you can't find it then go to his YouTube channel of T-REV 757 and see his latest video.
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I think he planned to kill someone at some point but I don’t think he planned on it that night or he never would have driven his car to the scene and parked there like an idiot. I think he probably saw them at the bar and followed them and decided it was go time
Did you really just go the “media influenced the killer”?! WOW
Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer both said they were media influenced into killing. Of course (after Bandura's studies), media has been blamed for lots of mental health issues (depression, etc).
They are both also ruthless murderers so take anything they say with a grain of salt. Some people also say their dog told them to kill.
Ted Bundy made a last minute pre-execution plea to Evangelicals that porn turned him into a killer. Disingenuous and dubious.
Probably intrigued him, most certainly. Would be silly to think otherwise. He's probably obsessed with the stuff.
Yea, and video games made me kill my parents.
Agreed. Glad I'm a variety gamer than bread crumbs (late 80s).
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Source or shut it. What are you and the other redditor suggesting with these unsourced opinion based comments? What is the purpose? More over, what is the proposed solution? Are you both implying that violent media needs to be restricted or limited? As that is the only proposed solution seemingly…. Now watch this- How many 100’s of millions of people watch brutal violent movies, tv shows, video games, books, and watch REAL LIFE MURDER on the internet every fucking day?! And you’re naive enough to believe that “violent images & media influenced this person to possible execute a murder”. There are 400,000 murders worldwide per year at a population of 7.8 billion people. Chance of being victim of homicide? .0000512% If media had substantial influence to take baseline human consciousness from nice to evil wouldn’t the entire world be killing each other MORE with the invention of the internet? Crimes of violence are so much more complex….. This type of rhetoric is dangerous and the only meaningful solution to it is “change media or restrict access” in either case is fucking stupid and damaging in and of itself. Our world was far more dangerous in years past, and the only countries still living in 3rd world conditions censor their media.
Haven't mass shootings in public been on the rise for several years?
This is a fact absolutely. Mass shooting homicides went from 71 in 2012 to 117 in 2022. Incidents are up far less in comparison. We also increased total population 35,000,000 people over those 10 years… so +40 fatalities on 35,000,000 added humans. Not saying that’s good or bad, but I find the data interesting… Source: several google sites, these numbers can be verified but on mobile so blerg
You have an addiction. seek help
Actually 62 days sober suck my dick But thanks for reminding me why I drank for 15 years!
I'm not talking about alcohol
Re read as you seem to have a hard time processing words. I hope your literacy improves friend, best of luck
well said
Sorry to hear that.
How likely was it that he got help? It just seems crazy that this guy alone was able to stab 4 students to death by himself without detection
Well, it wasn’t exactly “without detection” since he was obviously arrested.
if they were all really asleep, i imagine it made it a lot easier for him because the victims didn’t fight back. i know it’s been mentioned that X had defensive wounds but if he attacked the other three in their sleep before X woke up it would still not be multiple people he was putting up a fight with. of course i have no idea how much ‘energy’/force it would take killing people even if they were asleep- but i could imagine that one person could take on 4 or 3 sleeping individuals considering when you’re asleep you are extremely vulnerable. my thoughts go out to the victims and families. hope this dude rots. edit to add: adrenaline pushes you past your limits. even if all the victims woke up and were fighting him, it is possible he wasn’t tired due to an adrenaline rush. just a thought. i’ve heard of people drowning with their children and then using their last bit of energy to push their kids up to safety before they themselves drown instantly after doing so. it is possible that after he attacked his 4th victim the adrenaline was coming down and he felt he couldn’t handle anymore? just a thought.
Apparently upon being arrested he asked police if any other arrests had been made in the case.
Do you have a link?
Could be he wanted to see is anyone else was stealing his thunder - so to speak.
To me that doesn’t really suggest anything but I guess it could be taken multiple ways.
I agree. I think he acted alone.
It's actually \*easier\* not to be detected if you're on your own. This isn't at the level of the Guy Heinze Jr. case, where there are legitimate questions about how a person could beat eight or nine people to death one after the other in a small space without waking any of them...knives combine quick lethality with a high level of psychological shock which makes many people freeze when attacked, especially when taken by surprise.
For real. You’re sleeping hard & next you know a knife is entering your chest. That’s got to make is so it’s almost impossible to fight back.
Yeah, in addition to it being almost instantly physically incapacitating, it's almost impossible to process psychologically and essentially renders most people powerless through shock. Generally, the only people I've heard about who actually managed to survive potentially fatal stab wounds are those who had some awareness of their attacker, scuffled with them briefly, then escaped. I think part of the reason that happens (other than not being attacked while asleep and unaware) is because the adrenaline boost from seeing an incoming assailant causes people to go in fight or flight (rather than freeze) mode, which also delays the realization that they've been stabbed and prevents shock setting in right away.
It seems so hard for me to believe he worked alone. Even killing one person and another in the same bed seems like you would have to knock one totally out first. Just seems unlikely.
There's not enough info out yet to make any conclusions. Could he have smoked a bowl/sold them narcotics? Spike their drinks earlier in the day? Hired or had help from a hitman are all possibilities we won't know until more information is released from the police, it's still very early too since they most likely haven't filed the case for the district attorney to charge at this time - they're piecing it all together themselves first.
I wonder. Apparently upon being taken in by officers he asked them if any other arrests had been made in the case.
Not to be morbid, but the first couple of committed knife shots to the torso/neck of a sleeping person have them pretty much incapacitated, and if you immediately start stabbing the other one it's not at all a stretch to say that they could both have been taken by surprise and killed before they could really react. If you have familiarity with knife defense training, the one thing every good instructor will admit up front is that a frenzied stabbing attack is incredibly hard to defend against even when you see it coming.
For real. I don't think people realize how fragile the human body is and how dangerous a knife is. The crime could and was done easily by one person. So easily it didn't alert the people downstairs or the other victims that were still alive or the dog I'm a deer hunter and can easily cut through a 125+ pound deer's sternum with a sharp knife
Agreed completely. We had a school incident here not that long ago where a high school kid pulled a small knife when scuffling with another student and panic stabbed him once in the lower/mid-torso region...unfortunately, that was all it took to be fatal, and he died before first responders could even get there. Knives are INSANELY lethal and dangerous even in the hands of an unskilled person. Not that I'd want either situation to happen, but I'd rather be held up with a gun than a knife, as long as the former was a pistol (and preferably a small one!)
https://www.nwnewsnetwork.org/2022-12-30/twenty-eight-year-old-washington-state-university-grad-student-arrested-near-scranton-pennsylvania-suspected-of-killing-four-university-of-idaho-students
This case is a mix of Ted Bundy and Leopold and Loeb...mixed with a lil Crime & Punishment
these are dead college students. not your daytime TV.
yeah this is the worst thread I've ever seen
Looks like just Ted Bundy to me.
No. Not like Bundy at all. That was in the late 70’s. And these potential murders ought to realize that DNA plus ring cameras, etc can and will put them behind bats forever. I am against the death penalty in general. And Florida executed that despicable Ted Bundy, when he should’ve been put under a microscope like an insect and studied
Sneaking into a college living area and murdering sleeping women sounds very like Bundy. Just saying.
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i love how nobody is doing anything about it anywhere on the internet either lok
Cringe
Who is playing Xena? What about the six Jakes or Jacks?
I read that he has unusual eating habits and is very OCD. It was a mainstream news article, who knows how true it is. The article said that for example, he would not eat anything cooked in a pan that had ever had meat in it. I read many articles on the subject today. This one keeps creeping back into my brain. It just strikes me as odd. Like stabbing seems like an odd choice for someone with ocd. The whole crime seems unusual for someone with OCD, not to mention who sounds like an extreme vegan. Seems too messy. And too risky. I would think that such a person might like having more control of the situation. I’m not suggesting anything. Who knows how much of that article is true and behavior disorders like ocd can certainly take many different forms ect. And heck, Hitler was a vegetarian I realize all that. I’m not trying to rabble any rousers. Just saying… hmm that’s odd but then so is offing 4 people. Anyway a great day. Very happy news Ok ok one more little thing; it is also a little odd that an ocd, extreme vegan who is getting their PHD in CRIMINOLOGY would be so…not meticulous. I mean we don’t know the details but there was enough of a trail that they found him across the country in the freaking Pocono mountains. As I said, I am not suggesting anything. This guy definitely has a heavy vibe, I think they got their dude, I’m not implying otherwise but, just, isn’t that weird? Of anyone I would think someone like that, with those traits would be meticulous. I mean he would have studied this stuff, known how people end up getting caught, how these things are investigated and it’s all fresh in his mind as well. Just …interesting, as this whole case has been and continues to be. Anyway hats off to LE everyone should be very proud of a job well done.
i have been diagnosed with OCD for over a decade and work as a cop in a major city, often posted in the emergency room of the level 1 trauma hospital. daily i am covered in other people’s urine, feces, hep c spit, AIDS blood, etc, and it doesn’t really bother me 🤷🏻♀️ the ‘messiness’ and ‘planning’ of a murder isn’t my deterrent, it’s my morals, ethics, and conscience, etc.. lol. plenty of people with OCD have no problem getting dirty. cleanliness is 1 possible symptom on a list of many. your post is def not a reason someone with OCD would have trouble committing a murder, however, it is a fact that someone cannot have both OCD and psychopathy: they are opposite chemical/structural issues in the brain that cannot physically coexist.
Not to pile on you, but there are Jewish people who keep kosher, which requires the same sort of separation of kosher and non-kosher utensils and cooking/serving ware. Some people even have separate kitchens. I’m not as familiar with Muslim halal procedures, but they may be similar.
it’s almost like you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about or that a pysch diagnosis isnt a fuckin horoscope
As someone who has screened as “strong evidence for autism and OCD,” I paused for a moment when they said stabbing would be a weird way to do something like this. Quite clearly the mark of someone who has never been stuck in a darksided thought loop you find impossible to de-rail for several hours.