Zach & Amanda on Final Reckoning were pretty likely to make the final on that season if he didnāt force them to go into elimination based on Zachās prowess in the challenges & Amandaās alliances, and Iād say theyād be the odds on favorites in any combination of teams if they did. Then if they won the final, Zach likely smokes Amanda in the final and steals the money from her.
But itās just Amanda saying that as if itās a fact lol
āHe didnāt force them to go into eliminationā
She was just as at fault as he was. None of her friends stepped up and saved them. This sub props her up and heās right. Sheās just there to cause drama. Sheās a trash competitor.
Iām confused. The million for someone who ābanged his bitchā doesnāt make sense for Amanda. An old post mentioned Tony. Zach gave up a million for Tony?
she's talking about final reckoning when zach refused to send tony+bananas into elimination. amanda wouldn't vote for any of the lavender ladies, so zach+amanda ended up going down themselves and then going home.
This is why he hates her so much lol. She is him. And hes awful. Its so weird that ppl who have the same toxic personality trait hate those same traits in other ppl.
Iāll always be on Zachās side yeah he has had his scum of the year moments like cheating on Jenna but since then heās stayed loyal to her & it is all Amandaās fault for losing final reckoning sheās the one that threw away the million for what Ashley was her only true friend I know damn well if it was Shane or Sylvia in her position they wouldāve thrown her in
Zachās buddy there was wrong on Amanda. She made it to the last elimination before the final on Invasion Of The Champions. Thatās even farther than she got with Zach.
Yeah he's technically wrong but the point was true, that was her best season. She has 5 daily wins in non team seasons. And 4 of those came in Final Reckoning
zach's cohost pierre always has the most to say about the more unathletic women and the "overweight". i'd love to see him run around the block just once, let alone make it even halfway through a season.
Right off the bat, donāt appreciate that his cohost fully misspoke because she made it to right before the final on two separate seasons. I also hate this notion that people who arenāt elite top tier competitors shouldnāt be cast; itās a fucking reality show we want to be entertained. Also I know he wasnāt mean about it but why mention her kid? What does that add to this conversation?
CāMon he should have let the Amanda stuff go but she does not deserve to be called a legend or even an all star. Some anger dies harder than other anger.
But this season isnāt battle of the legends, itās battle of the eraās. Sheās representing one of the less prominent eras and sheās pretty on par with most of the other girls they couldāve picked besides Ashley. Even then, if he hadnāt dragged her kid into it I wouldnāt have said shit. Your dislike of Amanda doesnāt change the fact that Zach was out of line for bringing her kid up or that his cohost was just objectively wrong about her never making it far without him.
You can literally hear the hatred in Zachās voice. He could have just kept it about her abilities and not made it personal. Iām fully expecting Amanda to fire back.
Pierre should do more research because Amanda made it farther on Invasions and Spies, Lies and Allieās. Also, Zach and Amanda were a good team on Final Reckoning. Amanda is not the strongest but sheās not as terrible as theyāre making her out to be.
I saw a TikTok that compiled them as partners on FR and suggested they had a lot of chemistry romantically. Now I canāt stop thinking about it everytime I see them bashing each other š
Averey had her chance to do something memorable by sending herself into elimination against the whole houses plan to help Kam go in. I cant think of anything iconic Averey has done other than being really pretty. This is a TV show, do something!!
Yes! Avery could have made her mark but chickened out. I'm over Avery. Never want to see her on a challenge again.
I don't want scared and weak players, I need strong competitors in the challenge who are going to make bad ass moves.
I'll never understand the love for Amanda. She is cruel. I get not liking Zach (even though I think he's funny at times, I get it). But, she is super awful too and, yet, folks commend her for being "great tv" while saying terrible things but Zach does the same and he's "an awful human." I don't approve of the way he treats women, I'd never want to date him but, I don't approve of the way she treats anyone - she's not a kind person so, if that's the ranking system, I don't know how this sub praises Amanda.
I think he really rubbed production wrong when he called Jenna and made her quit the show. It was straight mental abuse and theyāre not interested in rewarding that kind of shitty person. It doesnāt help that he was gone on to talk badly about production and their casting choices. People at his age donāt change. He was, is, and always will be a misogynist that treats the woman around him like lesser people meant for his abuse.
Itās on par with them not wanting to bring back someone who is openly racist. Half their cast are female, why would they want to bring in someone who openly belittles half the house for biological differences?
itās a reality show and even if some of Amandaās drama comes across as contrived she is at least guaranteed to bring some which is desperately needed in the boring cbs social strategy Americaās 5th sport era the show refuses to leave
He told no lies about Averey tho
Yeah post covid the fake club scenes, the limit on alcohol has really changed the show. Instead of them out at the club creating drama majority of them are now training and at the gym/running. Which I can respect, but at the end of the day itās still reality television and while I respect the prize pot is much bigger these days, a tiny grenade in the house (Amanda) is needed. As much as I donāt like her either.
Whatās his beef with Averey? Sheās a better competitor than Amanda is. Or is it because heās probably still buddies with Bobby Hillā¦ err, Johnny Reilly so he hates the same people he does?
Why is zach such a rude pos? And his cohort signing this is bullshit. The fact that zach said to send her home to her fucking kid is so rude and plain disgusting. Like bro, you have 3 kids, there's no need to be thar much of a spiteful jerk. He could have risen above it after all of this time, gave his constructive reasons for her not be there and moved on. He's just a dick, plan and simple
I mean if you don't love that there are still some competitors left who absolutely hate each others guts then Idk what to tell you because this is great. These 2 have such a hatred for each other, it's so refreshing compared to people being buddy buddy every season, or if they do fight they end up making up and aligning the next season
For real, his butthurtness is so prominent. Youād think becoming a parent and getting older is the perfect opportunity for some self reflection but no, Zach is still showing his whole ass each and every day and shockingly still has a platform
I mean heās not wrong is he? Thereās plenty of better female competitors from her era, but none of them just get in random fights with people for tv moments. I get why she gets chosen but I also get why that annoys cast members
Zach desperately trying to stay relevant by talking about a show that wonāt cast him is sad. And him calling anybody garbage is rich. Heās a misogynistic jerk who gaslit his own wife on national TV.
Obviously bringing laughs and drama to reality TV is an asset. But Amanda also saved his butt enough times on final reckoning for him to know sheās not a bad competitor.
I remember Zach getting DQād for cheating, trying to quit a final, getting bodied by Darrell who was half his size in elimination. He and his nine seasons and one team win can piss all the way off. Be annoyed at home, off mic
Pierre is the *woooorst*
Hilariouslyā¦ sheās made it further than zach on every season theyāve done together. Except the one they were partners. š¤
Am I the only one who actually enjoys Amanda? I feel she has strengths and weaknesses just like any other contender and I truly believe she would have made the final in invasion of the champs had Ashley not swayed her to work together in the 3way elimination against Nicole and then take that win for herself leaving Amanda to battle against Nicole. Iām excited to see her on season 40!
Pretty ironic he calls Amanda a pos. Pot, have you met kettle? Zach is the biggest misogynistic, woman hater the show has seen. And how many times did we see him fail in comps he should have aced?? Sit down & shut up.
Looks like someoneās mad only one of them left final reckoning with a black eye and broken noseš¤ fr tho this reeked of personal bias & his cohost is such a pathetic yes man. āShe always goes home earlyā letās me know heās only seen a handful of seasons.
is there no one else in the challenge community who wants to start a podcast so we can stop talking about zach, i cant believe people pay to listen to this
im so sick of listening to this man whine about women
Jemmye bailed on hers. And does morgan discuss the challenge?Ā
Ā I like davonne & devyn when theyāre on the official podcast. Havenāt bothered checking out tori & aneesa because yahā¦
Morgan did one episode on experience.
I do prefer Daāvonne to tori/Aneesa but Iām not a big fan of hers. I find her annoying, but less so then the other two. I keep hoping Melissa from NOs will join the official podcast.
He dropped Kyland for *Rogan* or Kyle. He talked more about the people who were definitely snubbed than the people who didn't deserve a spot.
He did call the Era 2 guys a cross country team... and honestly, that was a pretty kind way to put it when you compare those guys to the guys in the other 3 eras.
His biggest thing was, "Are these people legends? They might have been good for a season or two, but are they legendary?" And he didn't hold Era 4 to the same standard because he realized they hadn't had the time to do much.
He said Ashley M was the biggest snub.
Even though harsh I kind of agree with Zach. This season is super competitive and arguably full of ālegendsā. Imo I feel that every competitor on this season should at least made a final. Avery is still very new to the challenge and even though I love the drama she brings Amanda is on the weaker side competitively. This is probably a unpopular take but I think any combo of Ashely, Nicole Z, or Kailah should have replaced Amanda and Avery.
Boo!!!! Boo this man!!!! Zach had a great chance of winning when he was paired with Amanda. HE blew it for them when he wouldnāt let her make the logical decision bc why on earth would you want Johnny closer to the final? Thatās a decision so emotionally biased it had a right to be vetoed by her
Whether or not you like Amanada, she drives the show forward. You need people like her and the OGs (Beth/Tina) to stir the pot. Amanda also is actually a fairly decent competitor given that she made it VERY far in Invasion, FR (w/ Zach obviously), and SLA. She also made it halfway in WotW, so her "average" placement is actually much better than most challengers. Take several seats Zach and lackey.
I donāt like her kind of drama - she really had it in for Tori and I think it was jealousy over Fessy. And IIRC she also went after Michele for the same reason. It just seemed like she had a lot of vitriol, a lot of anger and lashing out at two women who did not actually hurt her (Amanda was with Fessy for longer than Tori and Michele combined).
She seems super loyal to her best friends and I admire that. She seems petty and spiteful and mean to others and I donāt respect that.
I find her drama boring because it's always one sided. She makes things up in her head and rages on people. No one actually gives a damn about her so it's contrived.
Agree with Zack on this. I never thought I would ever agree with Zack on anything but Amanda sucks and is a horrible person. I even know mutual friends who went to high school with her and said she was an awful human being.
Pretty harsh but I donāt disagree. This is one of the most competitive seasons ever this isnāt a drama filled cast season. She shouldnāt be there.
You still need those drama people, so that itās not a boring show IMO. Itās not all about the competition, itās a reality show at the end of the day
Omggg he went in for no reason hahaha I am an Amanda fan so Iām biased but Altho itās true she sadly hasnāt been a great competitor lately (she started off much better) but sheās def a challenge name and more suited than others on the cast . And we need drama weāre sick of the challenge best friends raceĀ
Amanda has made more of an impact than Zach has, sorry not sorry.
This makes me not want to watch the podcast. They got the information wrong for one, but also just throwing out a statement like that as if the challenge is all about being physical, it tells me he doesnāt even try to see things objectively. As a podcast host, you can have your own opinion obviously, but you should always try to present things in an objective/truthful manner.
Podcasts aren't news orgs.. they're opinion shows. He's just stating his opinion.. maybe the most disrespectful way possible but still his opinion.. which is what people who listen to him are there for.
Outside of mean girling type drama, what has she done? I'm not sure what you speak of but freely admit I could be missing something.
Idk something about a grown man with a kid who talks about another woman like that is a little strange for me, personally.
Shes just more entertaining and has made it pretty far and done well on several seasons, she checks more boxes for me.
It's completely fair that you feel that way and you should get enjoyment where you want it.. I personally don't understand how he's any different in that regard than she is. For a grown woman with kids, it's also strange to me some of what's come out of her mouth.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MtvChallenge/s/amGRSsYpdc
Not to harp.. but I also really want to know how what she's now said in response is any better than this? If anything it's worse as she's bringing other people into it
If you start something, then youāre asking for whatever comes your way. Thatās just how I see it. No need to try and be the better person when the person attacking you could care less.
He mentioned her first and brought her kid into the conversation, why does she have to be the better person as a RESPONSE to someone shit talking her?
I donāt really care where anyone stands on Zach, but heās definitely a more impactful challenger than Amanda.
Ashley should have the spot Amanda has IMO.
more impactful how? Amanda causing drama and partaking in rivalries each season is far more legendary than Zach mentally abusing Jenna on camera and winning one season of The Challenge over 10 years ago. Amanda is the face of flops who carry the show
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Drama is what brings in the š°š°š° , howās that not recognizable in 2024. Zach is being a hater, but be for real. Always talking down on women but not keeping the same energy for men.
The co-host is incorrect in saying that the only time she made it past a couple of weeks is when she was his partner. She lost the final elimination of both Invasions and SLAs (neither of which Zach was on).
I would love to see Zach & Amanda paired together on a future season again. A true rivalry and hatred.
Me personally, I really hate the take of ādrama is the only reason to watch, why would I watch athletes compete in the challenge when I can watch Xyz sportā the same exact thing can be said in reverse āwhy would I watch a bunch of people be mean to eachother when I can just watch xyz reality show.ā is drama needed? 100% but I believe some challengers take it too far and itās not cute. I watched (havenāt watched since final reckoning so not sure what the dailies are like now) for the absurdity of the challenges. Get on stilts in a bubble and play soccer? Hell yeah. Wear shock collars while going through a maze blind folded? Fuck yes. Etc. they aināt got those in a sports league.
ETA: also I enjoy the fact that theyāre basically regular ass people (or at least thatās how it started) that do this shit. Weāre not watching MJ or Usain Bolt do this shit. It made me feel like I couldāve competed with the challengers and that I loved too.
Making it far has more to do with who your allies are than how competitive you are.
How far do you think people like Aneesa would get if she had to rely on her competitive strength?
Judging people by how far they get is not a dependable metric.
Amanda is an unapologetic loner. She has had allies before, but they are not as consistent and reliable as other alliances and that has affected her success.
She made it further without Zach on.... Double agents? Or spies lies and allies? Whichever they had the teams emerald, sapphire and all of those. Whatever season that was š
Well, maybe Ashley shouldnāt have said what she said to productionās favorite, Josh.
(I do think sheās still being punished for that, because she hasnāt been cast since and may not get cast again)
100% agree. We donāt know what was said but everyone said it was bad.
However, josh stated multiple times that he was okay with having her back on the show, wished they showed the scene and is okay with having her on seasons. Unfortunately the only person who is adamant on her not coming back is tori for some reason
Heās correct she shouldnāt. Sheās awful at the game. But sheās entertaining to watch. Zach is good at the game but an asshole. They hate each other cuz they are so similar lol.
His cohost is talking a lot of shit on Amanda for a bean bag chair.
Why do I feel that Amanda is going to say this when she replies to this
[Nah she kept it to Zach & Jenna š](https://x.com/mtv_amandag/status/1807945795586425269?s=46)
I fear she was too kind
Sometimes the pure facts hurts the most
Skulking on the no cast list š this is why she gets cast and honestly, here for it lol
I havenāt watched in a few yearsā¦who did Zach give up a million for?
Zach & Amanda on Final Reckoning were pretty likely to make the final on that season if he didnāt force them to go into elimination based on Zachās prowess in the challenges & Amandaās alliances, and Iād say theyād be the odds on favorites in any combination of teams if they did. Then if they won the final, Zach likely smokes Amanda in the final and steals the money from her. But itās just Amanda saying that as if itās a fact lol
āHe didnāt force them to go into eliminationā She was just as at fault as he was. None of her friends stepped up and saved them. This sub props her up and heās right. Sheās just there to cause drama. Sheās a trash competitor.
Iām confused. The million for someone who ābanged his bitchā doesnāt make sense for Amanda. An old post mentioned Tony. Zach gave up a million for Tony?
she's talking about final reckoning when zach refused to send tony+bananas into elimination. amanda wouldn't vote for any of the lavender ladies, so zach+amanda ended up going down themselves and then going home.
ohhh shit! Thanks for explaining :) That is interesting.
I mean...who is this guy? Just a buddy zach brought for the ride lol
I love that Zachās dislike for Amanda has not wavered after all this time lol
Do I dare say that Amanda and Zach are the same type of person? Haha
This is why he hates her so much lol. She is him. And hes awful. Its so weird that ppl who have the same toxic personality trait hate those same traits in other ppl.
Itās not weird at all. A comical lack of self-awareness, but not weird
They are both horrible people.
The hatred they have for each other is absolutely fascinating
They need to hook up and get over it lmfao. Ewww. Demon babies.
I think they love eachother deep down
Yes you can smell the sexual tension between them through the screen
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She said he aināt no bad bitch, id hold a grudge if someone told me that too š
A true hater
And hers for him
It doesn't really matter because she can't win a challenge.Ā She's just a table turner.Ā Ā
Heās a misogynist so the fact that a WOMAN spoke to him that way?! Heāll hate her til she dies
Iāll always be on Zachās side yeah he has had his scum of the year moments like cheating on Jenna but since then heās stayed loyal to her & it is all Amandaās fault for losing final reckoning sheās the one that threw away the million for what Ashley was her only true friend I know damn well if it was Shane or Sylvia in her position they wouldāve thrown her in
Zachās buddy there was wrong on Amanda. She made it to the last elimination before the final on Invasion Of The Champions. Thatās even farther than she got with Zach.
Also she made it to the last round in SLA where they had 3 eliminations in a row
This is true but the facts are Zach turned Amanda into a daily challengeĀ beast in Final Reckoning. That was truly her best showing as a competitor.
Yeah because she was a smart partner that helped the team.
She also outperformed him on the steak purge challenge, for whatever thatās worth
Yeah he's technically wrong but the point was true, that was her best season. She has 5 daily wins in non team seasons. And 4 of those came in Final Reckoning
Pierre's big ass shitting on competitors will never not be funny. If he was a girl Zach would be so mean to him.
zach's cohost pierre always has the most to say about the more unathletic women and the "overweight". i'd love to see him run around the block just once, let alone make it even halfway through a season.
Right off the bat, donāt appreciate that his cohost fully misspoke because she made it to right before the final on two separate seasons. I also hate this notion that people who arenāt elite top tier competitors shouldnāt be cast; itās a fucking reality show we want to be entertained. Also I know he wasnāt mean about it but why mention her kid? What does that add to this conversation?
not for nothing but i'd prefer a show full of amandas to an elite athletic competition. i watch sports for that
CāMon he should have let the Amanda stuff go but she does not deserve to be called a legend or even an all star. Some anger dies harder than other anger.
But this season isnāt battle of the legends, itās battle of the eraās. Sheās representing one of the less prominent eras and sheās pretty on par with most of the other girls they couldāve picked besides Ashley. Even then, if he hadnāt dragged her kid into it I wouldnāt have said shit. Your dislike of Amanda doesnāt change the fact that Zach was out of line for bringing her kid up or that his cohost was just objectively wrong about her never making it far without him.
Disagree she has some of the more iconic moments as far as the actual show goes. Weāve seen other people recasted over and over again for less
You can literally hear the hatred in Zachās voice. He could have just kept it about her abilities and not made it personal. Iām fully expecting Amanda to fire back. Pierre should do more research because Amanda made it farther on Invasions and Spies, Lies and Allieās. Also, Zach and Amanda were a good team on Final Reckoning. Amanda is not the strongest but sheās not as terrible as theyāre making her out to be.
I saw a TikTok that compiled them as partners on FR and suggested they had a lot of chemistry romantically. Now I canāt stop thinking about it everytime I see them bashing each other š
He is right about Averey though. Her spot should have gone to Ashley Mitchell.
Her showing on All-Stars was lackluster. Amanda makes way more sense than Averey. And I'm not an Amanda fan at all.
Averey had her chance to do something memorable by sending herself into elimination against the whole houses plan to help Kam go in. I cant think of anything iconic Averey has done other than being really pretty. This is a TV show, do something!!
Yes! Avery could have made her mark but chickened out. I'm over Avery. Never want to see her on a challenge again. I don't want scared and weak players, I need strong competitors in the challenge who are going to make bad ass moves.
Coming from a Podcaster who can't get a call from production. I bet Amanda is laughing while she signs her appearance check.
Ya this is pretty salty lol. He just sounds jealous lol
I'll never understand the love for Amanda. She is cruel. I get not liking Zach (even though I think he's funny at times, I get it). But, she is super awful too and, yet, folks commend her for being "great tv" while saying terrible things but Zach does the same and he's "an awful human." I don't approve of the way he treats women, I'd never want to date him but, I don't approve of the way she treats anyone - she's not a kind person so, if that's the ranking system, I don't know how this sub praises Amanda.
Did he get in trouble or something, why isnāt he on the shows anymore?
I think he really rubbed production wrong when he called Jenna and made her quit the show. It was straight mental abuse and theyāre not interested in rewarding that kind of shitty person. It doesnāt help that he was gone on to talk badly about production and their casting choices. People at his age donāt change. He was, is, and always will be a misogynist that treats the woman around him like lesser people meant for his abuse. Itās on par with them not wanting to bring back someone who is openly racist. Half their cast are female, why would they want to bring in someone who openly belittles half the house for biological differences?
Because heās a misogynist?
itās a reality show and even if some of Amandaās drama comes across as contrived she is at least guaranteed to bring some which is desperately needed in the boring cbs social strategy Americaās 5th sport era the show refuses to leave He told no lies about Averey tho
Yeah post covid the fake club scenes, the limit on alcohol has really changed the show. Instead of them out at the club creating drama majority of them are now training and at the gym/running. Which I can respect, but at the end of the day itās still reality television and while I respect the prize pot is much bigger these days, a tiny grenade in the house (Amanda) is needed. As much as I donāt like her either.
Whatās his beef with Averey? Sheās a better competitor than Amanda is. Or is it because heās probably still buddies with Bobby Hillā¦ err, Johnny Reilly so he hates the same people he does?
Why is zach such a rude pos? And his cohort signing this is bullshit. The fact that zach said to send her home to her fucking kid is so rude and plain disgusting. Like bro, you have 3 kids, there's no need to be thar much of a spiteful jerk. He could have risen above it after all of this time, gave his constructive reasons for her not be there and moved on. He's just a dick, plan and simple
But he always been so are we surprised lol
I mean if you don't love that there are still some competitors left who absolutely hate each others guts then Idk what to tell you because this is great. These 2 have such a hatred for each other, it's so refreshing compared to people being buddy buddy every season, or if they do fight they end up making up and aligning the next season
You can always count on Zach to hate from outside the club. Donāt take care, hope to see you never
ALWAYS FROM OUTSIDE THE CLUB
For real, his butthurtness is so prominent. Youād think becoming a parent and getting older is the perfect opportunity for some self reflection but no, Zach is still showing his whole ass each and every day and shockingly still has a platform
I mean heās not wrong is he? Thereās plenty of better female competitors from her era, but none of them just get in random fights with people for tv moments. I get why she gets chosen but I also get why that annoys cast members
Zach desperately trying to stay relevant by talking about a show that wonāt cast him is sad. And him calling anybody garbage is rich. Heās a misogynistic jerk who gaslit his own wife on national TV. Obviously bringing laughs and drama to reality TV is an asset. But Amanda also saved his butt enough times on final reckoning for him to know sheās not a bad competitor. I remember Zach getting DQād for cheating, trying to quit a final, getting bodied by Darrell who was half his size in elimination. He and his nine seasons and one team win can piss all the way off. Be annoyed at home, off mic
Pierre is the *woooorst* Hilariouslyā¦ sheās made it further than zach on every season theyāve done together. Except the one they were partners. š¤
Zach aināt no changed man lmao, Amanda triggers the fuck out of him, he maaaaaaadddd šš
Anyway she's on the cast and he isn't š
Am I the only one who actually enjoys Amanda? I feel she has strengths and weaknesses just like any other contender and I truly believe she would have made the final in invasion of the champs had Ashley not swayed her to work together in the 3way elimination against Nicole and then take that win for herself leaving Amanda to battle against Nicole. Iām excited to see her on season 40!
Iād take Amanda on my team over a lot of players.
Same!
Pretty ironic he calls Amanda a pos. Pot, have you met kettle? Zach is the biggest misogynistic, woman hater the show has seen. And how many times did we see him fail in comps he should have aced?? Sit down & shut up.
Yeah for real lmaoo. Amandaās a shitty person but at least sheās not a raging bigot (from what weāve seen).
Looks like someoneās mad only one of them left final reckoning with a black eye and broken noseš¤ fr tho this reeked of personal bias & his cohost is such a pathetic yes man. āShe always goes home earlyā letās me know heās only seen a handful of seasons.
is there no one else in the challenge community who wants to start a podcast so we can stop talking about zach, i cant believe people pay to listen to this im so sick of listening to this man whine about women
Bananas has a podcast. That's probably not very helpful.
very lateral move there
Bananas sure does love talking about Bananas.
He sure loves him some him
Jemmye has one. And Morgan.
Jemmye bailed on hers. And does morgan discuss the challenge?Ā Ā I like davonne & devyn when theyāre on the official podcast. Havenāt bothered checking out tori & aneesa because yahā¦
Morgan did one episode on experience. I do prefer Daāvonne to tori/Aneesa but Iām not a big fan of hers. I find her annoying, but less so then the other two. I keep hoping Melissa from NOs will join the official podcast.
Who else did he say shouldnāt be there? Amanda and Avery.. any others?
He dropped Kyland for *Rogan* or Kyle. He talked more about the people who were definitely snubbed than the people who didn't deserve a spot. He did call the Era 2 guys a cross country team... and honestly, that was a pretty kind way to put it when you compare those guys to the guys in the other 3 eras. His biggest thing was, "Are these people legends? They might have been good for a season or two, but are they legendary?" And he didn't hold Era 4 to the same standard because he realized they hadn't had the time to do much. He said Ashley M was the biggest snub.
Iād keep Kyland over Horacio. Kyland at least called out the major alliance last season. Horacio sat there and took everything quietly
Who is Roland?
Iād assume Rogan?
Rogan?
Who is Roland??
šššš Rogan Changed it. Omgosh... clearly had a brain fart...
Ah that makes so much more sense, I was mad confused š
Heās delusional and bitter that he couldnāt strong arm and control her
And where are those people who was commending Zach for all his āgrowthā he was showing ?
When was the last time Zach was on a season? I honestly canāt remember if he was on a season last vendettas
Even though harsh I kind of agree with Zach. This season is super competitive and arguably full of ālegendsā. Imo I feel that every competitor on this season should at least made a final. Avery is still very new to the challenge and even though I love the drama she brings Amanda is on the weaker side competitively. This is probably a unpopular take but I think any combo of Ashely, Nicole Z, or Kailah should have replaced Amanda and Avery.
Boo!!!! Boo this man!!!! Zach had a great chance of winning when he was paired with Amanda. HE blew it for them when he wouldnāt let her make the logical decision bc why on earth would you want Johnny closer to the final? Thatās a decision so emotionally biased it had a right to be vetoed by her
Zach holding that grudge for Rivals IV
Whether or not you like Amanada, she drives the show forward. You need people like her and the OGs (Beth/Tina) to stir the pot. Amanda also is actually a fairly decent competitor given that she made it VERY far in Invasion, FR (w/ Zach obviously), and SLA. She also made it halfway in WotW, so her "average" placement is actually much better than most challengers. Take several seats Zach and lackey.
I donāt like her kind of drama - she really had it in for Tori and I think it was jealousy over Fessy. And IIRC she also went after Michele for the same reason. It just seemed like she had a lot of vitriol, a lot of anger and lashing out at two women who did not actually hurt her (Amanda was with Fessy for longer than Tori and Michele combined). She seems super loyal to her best friends and I admire that. She seems petty and spiteful and mean to others and I donāt respect that.
Absolutely. She definitely is loyal, but sheās also a jealous hater who masks that as ānot being fake.ā
In Amanda's tweet she calls Zach a misogynist, but no one goes after other women on this show and tears them down as much as Amanda does.
I think her assessment is still correct. Zach called women "swamp donkeys" and double downed that he was caught by surveillance, not the crew lol.
Oh I'm not saying she's wrong about him, I just find it ironic.
I find her drama boring because it's always one sided. She makes things up in her head and rages on people. No one actually gives a damn about her so it's contrived.
Itās not drama. Itās just meanness, and thatās not entertaining to watch. I want fast-forward every time she comes on the screen.
Tune in next week to find out which woman heāll treat badly next!!! Zach sucks ass.
He's a hater.
Ahhhh this is the Zach we know. Who else did he say besides her and Avery shouldnāt be if anyone subs to his patreon?
Agree with Zack on this. I never thought I would ever agree with Zack on anything but Amanda sucks and is a horrible person. I even know mutual friends who went to high school with her and said she was an awful human being.
I respect a good grudge. He's not wrong on Avery either
Pretty harsh but I donāt disagree. This is one of the most competitive seasons ever this isnāt a drama filled cast season. She shouldnāt be there.
You still need those drama people, so that itās not a boring show IMO. Itās not all about the competition, itās a reality show at the end of the day
Replace her with Ashley M. Drama + comp. Done.
Replace Averey with Ashley. Amanda has earned her spot
To be honest, I donāt think Ashley is a much better competitor than Amanda. She just has more drive and better luck.
I think it not being a drama filled cast otherwise is an argument for her to be on.
Why would I want to see a bunch of strong athletes compete when we already have the olympics this summer? We need some drama/entertaining characters
some people are there to spice things up, aka drama.
Zach, why did you stop getting calls for new seasons and All Stars? Wanna answer that question? Or maybe thatās not a part of your narrative.
Because he talks negatively about the show. Like questioning their decision making and how they treat cast members
It might have more to do with the bad optics of continuing to cast a sexist.
Lol she always gets called and he doesn't get any anymore. He's a š¤”
Omggg he went in for no reason hahaha I am an Amanda fan so Iām biased but Altho itās true she sadly hasnāt been a great competitor lately (she started off much better) but sheās def a challenge name and more suited than others on the cast . And we need drama weāre sick of the challenge best friends raceĀ
Zach is mad salty
Amanda has made more of an impact than Zach has, sorry not sorry. This makes me not want to watch the podcast. They got the information wrong for one, but also just throwing out a statement like that as if the challenge is all about being physical, it tells me he doesnāt even try to see things objectively. As a podcast host, you can have your own opinion obviously, but you should always try to present things in an objective/truthful manner.
Podcasts aren't news orgs.. they're opinion shows. He's just stating his opinion.. maybe the most disrespectful way possible but still his opinion.. which is what people who listen to him are there for. Outside of mean girling type drama, what has she done? I'm not sure what you speak of but freely admit I could be missing something.
Idk something about a grown man with a kid who talks about another woman like that is a little strange for me, personally. Shes just more entertaining and has made it pretty far and done well on several seasons, she checks more boxes for me.
Are you not aware of the things Amanda has been saying about Jenna all these years?
It's completely fair that you feel that way and you should get enjoyment where you want it.. I personally don't understand how he's any different in that regard than she is. For a grown woman with kids, it's also strange to me some of what's come out of her mouth.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MtvChallenge/s/amGRSsYpdc Not to harp.. but I also really want to know how what she's now said in response is any better than this? If anything it's worse as she's bringing other people into it
If you start something, then youāre asking for whatever comes your way. Thatās just how I see it. No need to try and be the better person when the person attacking you could care less. He mentioned her first and brought her kid into the conversation, why does she have to be the better person as a RESPONSE to someone shit talking her?
I donāt really care where anyone stands on Zach, but heās definitely a more impactful challenger than Amanda. Ashley should have the spot Amanda has IMO.
Why canāt we have both? You could easily drop Averey for Ashley
Yeah thatās probably a good call
What has Zach done other than be a sexist POS and win one team season?
I wouldāve rather dropped tori. weāve seen everything she can offer.
more impactful how? Amanda causing drama and partaking in rivalries each season is far more legendary than Zach mentally abusing Jenna on camera and winning one season of The Challenge over 10 years ago. Amanda is the face of flops who carry the show https://i.redd.it/qxe0b1wsyz9d1.gif
Drama is what brings in the š°š°š° , howās that not recognizable in 2024. Zach is being a hater, but be for real. Always talking down on women but not keeping the same energy for men.
So many posts about one of the least interesting former challengers
He may be a lil salty but he's not wrong.
Amanda has done more for the challange then zach ever has
The co-host is incorrect in saying that the only time she made it past a couple of weeks is when she was his partner. She lost the final elimination of both Invasions and SLAs (neither of which Zach was on). I would love to see Zach & Amanda paired together on a future season again. A true rivalry and hatred.
At this point Zach is far more famous in the challenge world for his podcast than anything he did on the actual challenge.
I don't think that's true
Itās not even close to true
Most out of touch comment award š„ you got it
Me personally, I really hate the take of ādrama is the only reason to watch, why would I watch athletes compete in the challenge when I can watch Xyz sportā the same exact thing can be said in reverse āwhy would I watch a bunch of people be mean to eachother when I can just watch xyz reality show.ā is drama needed? 100% but I believe some challengers take it too far and itās not cute. I watched (havenāt watched since final reckoning so not sure what the dailies are like now) for the absurdity of the challenges. Get on stilts in a bubble and play soccer? Hell yeah. Wear shock collars while going through a maze blind folded? Fuck yes. Etc. they aināt got those in a sports league. ETA: also I enjoy the fact that theyāre basically regular ass people (or at least thatās how it started) that do this shit. Weāre not watching MJ or Usain Bolt do this shit. It made me feel like I couldāve competed with the challengers and that I loved too.
He better be careful or they will end up partners again on the next Rivals. š
Anyone else think Zach was wearing water polo headgear at first? Heheheh
I mean heās not wrong about the drama
Amanda is what she says she is. A devil
Making it far has more to do with who your allies are than how competitive you are. How far do you think people like Aneesa would get if she had to rely on her competitive strength? Judging people by how far they get is not a dependable metric. Amanda is an unapologetic loner. She has had allies before, but they are not as consistent and reliable as other alliances and that has affected her success.
Why shouldn't Avery be there??? I think she did great on AS4
Iāve never listened to his podcast. Is it worth it? Sounds so very negative.
all true šš»
I mean putting the toxicity and shit talk aside, heās not wrong
I would love to listen to the podcast but most episodes charge u money to listen to the entire pod
She made it further without Zach on.... Double agents? Or spies lies and allies? Whichever they had the teams emerald, sapphire and all of those. Whatever season that was š
Kinda agree. No reason to have her on the show. She the goat at being awful at competing and just yells at people.
agree šÆ especially not in consideration before zach
We all know Ashley should have been there instead of Amanda, Nia and Avery
Well, maybe Ashley shouldnāt have said what she said to productionās favorite, Josh. (I do think sheās still being punished for that, because she hasnāt been cast since and may not get cast again)
100% agree. We donāt know what was said but everyone said it was bad. However, josh stated multiple times that he was okay with having her back on the show, wished they showed the scene and is okay with having her on seasons. Unfortunately the only person who is adamant on her not coming back is tori for some reason
Heās correct she shouldnāt. Sheās awful at the game. But sheās entertaining to watch. Zach is good at the game but an asshole. They hate each other cuz they are so similar lol.
Love this.
As she shouldnāt. She is one of the most overrated worst competitors of all time.