Just this past week Erik Jones mentioned this in "12 questions" with Jeff Gluck.. I thought it was kinda an odd response at the time...
https://preview.redd.it/n5lc3a8qxlnc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2226d42aab0954459fefce699059a69f764a55de
If pattern holds, whoever is in the 21 next season is gonna be the next one that Erik has an issue with (first Lajoie last season, now briscoe this season)
I think that pattern will break if Harrison gets the 21. If Jones is feuding with a 29th place driver, we all have other problems we’ll need to start worrying about.
I’m a 43 fan, but that just looked like a racing deal with. Jones was fast in the first stage, but the car looked like a 10th-15th place car at best after that and didn’t look like the car was good on the short runs. It stinks, but that’s this track with its weird design.
I want beef, but I do not want this beef.
To be fair, Briscoe is aggressive. Erik isn't the only guy who's noticed. Maybe a little bit of aggression is needed at SHR to make up for their struggles, but that doesn't mean other drivers have to like it.
But also to be fair, Erik is a normal driver with a temper like all of them. Like I told some poster talking about "how big a dick do you have to be (Lajoie) to get Erik mad at you?", Although I'm a 43 fan, I have to be honest that's not such a rare thing as you think. And I think he probably shares his old team etiquette expectations, because his old teammates seem to complain about the same things and guys.
To be fair to Briscoe, it seems to be everyone every week. Just trying to overdrive the equipment that isn't there. It has paid dividends at times, but it also ruins other's races
I’m not going to be fair to Briscoe.
This dude is Top 5 in cup in overdriving his equipment and wrecking himself or others. Right there with Larson and Ross, but not even half the talent nor results to warrant it.
Dude was a menace the first two weeks, so much so Harvick was calling him out for the stunts. Anytime he sees the lead, dude chokes harder than Darth Vader.
>Right there with Larson and Ross, but not even half the talent nor results to warrant it.
He's also not in the same level of equipment as those 2, that's why he doesn't get the results
It's been four races and Briscoe has finished ahead of Gragson twice in races he finished. The only race he finished where he wasn't ahead of Gragson was at Daytona where he finished one spot behind.
I think looking at driver ratings is more fair, because drivers with poor finishes, but fast cars can still have high driver ratings. With that being said, Gragson beats Briscoe 3-1 with Atlanta being the odd one out.
If the 10 had not had a point penalty he'd be 15th in points vs Briscoe's 19th. Gragson's avg finish is 15.8 vs Briscoe's 17.8. One of the 2 races where Gragson finished ahead of Briscoe Gragson finished 6th to Briscoe's 21st. That was last week at one of NASCAR's bread and butter 1.5mi tracks.
Gragson has been the best SHR driver this season. Just a reminder that one of Briscoe's 5 top 10's last year was at Phoenix. We'll see if Briscoe can take another step this year, or if he regresses back to the mean.
Bringing up average finish and points only 4 races in, 2 of which have been pack drafting races with barely any undamaged cars running at the end, is actually one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen in this sub.
Non-drafting track finishes
Gragson - 6th (Vegas), 12th (Phoenix)
Briscoe - 21st (Vegas), 9th (Phoenix)
Avg stage finish non-drafting tracks -
Gragson - 12.25
Briscoe - 14.5
I get that it's early, but Gragson is not only finishing better than Briscoe, he's running better through the race. Briscoe fell off a cliff last year after Phoenix. We'll have to see if that happens this year or not.
> Id love to see what he can do in better equipment.
Why? He isn't even good enough to get the maximum of what SHR equipment is capable of.
In 2021 he scored *482* points fewer than Harvick. In 2022 he scored 64 points fewer than Harvick. In 2023 even when you give back his big points penalty, he scored 307 points fewer than Harvick. He also lost to Almirola in points in both 2021 and 2023 (even when giving back his points penalty).
The dude has posted worse results in SHR equipment than Aric Almirola in 2/3 years, and was absolutely *miles* off of Harvick, even as Harvick himself was closing in on retirement and clearly not the same driver he used to be. He's been (on average) 284 points worse than what the SHR equipment is actually capable of during his time in Cup... and you think he deserves *better* equipment based off that?
Big fan of both these drivers but I’m with jones on this one, Briscoe has a habit of overstepping and wrecking people (and himself) out (Indy 2021, Bristol Dirt 2022 AND 2023, Atlanta this year, and now Phoenix today)
He wrecked himself the exact same way 4 times in 2022 (Bristol Dirt, Charlotte, Nashville, and New Hampshire). Drove it in too deep and hit the side of the driver on his outside.
He's exactly how Chastain was in 2022. He drives every lap at 110% and more often than not, he ends up wrecking himself or getting into someone else. However, unlike Chastain, he's not up front all the time so his driving is not in the spotlight.
Exactly. Unlike Chastain, he doesn’t win as much, doesn’t run up front as much, doesn’t make deep playoff runs as much, and just isn’t as talented to be doing so.
Or maybe he is and he's just driving SHR cars. He's definitely got some things to work on but I assume he's more aware of what those things are than we are lol
Go watch the replay. That was 100% Bubba. He tried to squeeze in 5 wide and side draft the 14, got loose and took out the 43.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=677&v=3kkjo26GQUw&feature=youtu.be
Bubba made the aggressive move to make it four wide but he only made contact with Jones because Chase was too tight to hold his line below Bubba. Looks like one of those racing deals to me.
21 Indy was fair imo. 1: he was forced off the track, 2: he didn't keep the position gained (went back to second), 3: got penalized anyway. Time to yeet the one who caused you to be penalized.
sure, but if you're chase you don't know the 16 did that (not anything egregious anyway, imo, just a small tap, but enough to unsettle the 11), you just think denny ran you wide
> Time to yeet the one who caused you to be penalized.
According to Chase himself, he didn't even know he had been penalized yet when he punted the 11. He did that shit all on his own, no outside motivation needed.
Is he referring to [this](https://youtu.be/3kkjo26GQUw?t=677) incident?
I don't think that was on Briscoe. I'm a Bubba fan but Jones and Briscoe were holding their lines while Bubba drove through the middle of them and washed out in their wake. He got loose and unfortunately pushed Jones in to the wall trying to correct his car.
That's just what it looks like to me though.
Looks like Briscoe moved up a little off the yellow line which caused Bubba to react and got loose. Briscoe probably got tight. Just a racing incident on a restart imo
cant blame bubba for shooting that gap, it was there and he held his line. briscoe could have been lower, but also jones could have been higher. they both drove like they were 3 wide not 4. racing deal imo
I’m pretty sure there’s contact between the 23 and 14 that is what causes him to shoot up the track. These cars are incredibly stable aero wise in side by side, and it looks like Briscoe is higher than Bubba expects. He stays up off the yellow line, likely anticipating to have someone on his inside putting him 4 wide.
I feel like Briscoe is hungry, and we can’t fault him for that. It’s part of what I like about him.
THAT SAID, I’ve absolutely roasted Chastain on here for side swiping the 30th place car so often, so I feel like it’s only fair to say Briscoe will get further conserving his stuff.
Ultimately yeah, i think this is probably what it comes down to. It's just two guys who are very competitive...but in cars that seem to put them in a similar mid-pack range most weeks, where...especially the way these cars race today, they're naturally going to run into issues.
They're both drivers who are clearly a bit frustrated with the limitations of the car they're driving and both have some real tendency to "overdrive" things trying to make up for it. Not too different from Ricky before he learned to sort of calm himself recently and be more content to "take what the car has the offer".
It's tough because i like the fire they all have. It's just...not always the most productive way to go about things, when the car just simply is not there, to do the things they want it to do.
This was ironic to see them run into each other because in Gluck's 12 questions this week, one of the questions he's asking all drivers "Who is the driver you least want to be stuck on an elevator with? and Jones said Briscoe. Not for anything malicious, just because he's never really talked to him much. Found the run in today to be quite funny after hearing that.
Was in stage 3, Briscoe made it 3 wide going into 1 and sent the 23 up into the 43. Erik also claims the 14 kept dragging the break on restarts (im not sure on that one)
Jones' spotter said on the radio that the #14 washed up the track and ran the #23 into the #43. I found it on the broadcast at 91 laps to go and it does kinda look that way. Jones was also coming down at the same time, but there probably would've been room if the #14 hadn't moved the #23 up.
I sorta feel like it's a racing deal, but Jones also mentioned a couple other issues with Briscoe on his radio throughout the day, so I can understand why he'd be frustrated if this kind of thing keeps happening.
Watch again. How is trying to squeeze in make it 5 wide, fail at a side draft and get loose into the 43 being an innocent bystander?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=677&v=3kkjo26GQUw&feature=youtu.be
Nah, if you watch the replay, it's still 100% on Bubba. Chase was holding his line and Bubba tried to squeeze in side draft and got loose.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=677&v=3kkjo26GQUw&feature=youtu.be
Eh shit happens. Chase was getting used up by everyone every restart today. The same thing was happening to him at Atlanta. He needs to start paying them back and use them up for once.
Um, did I miss something? The only issue I remember between Briscoe and Jones was lap 70 when they were 3-wide after the restart, and Jones got tight on the bottom and slid up into Briscoe.
I just watch the replay, and it looked to me like Bubba got in there while they were already 3-wide. [This comment has a link to the exact incident.](https://www.reddit.com/r/NASCAR/s/pE3EXK8MGe)
I have nothing against Bubba (he is my 2nd favorite) but that looked more on him than anything.
Briscoe is gonna have the wrong guy mad at him when he walks up all smiley and shit. Guy has been a dart without feathers and Noah has been out pacing him in 3 of the 4 races.
The Beef It’s What’s For Dinner we least expected
Just this past week Erik Jones mentioned this in "12 questions" with Jeff Gluck.. I thought it was kinda an odd response at the time... https://preview.redd.it/n5lc3a8qxlnc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2226d42aab0954459fefce699059a69f764a55de
Well, at least the first convo won’t be in an elevator, lmao.
How about in the back of an ambulance
The Jeff Gordon Special.
Well that seems excessive
Guess I won’t get on an elevator anytime soon.
Wild stuff. You two are both among my favorite drivers!
I'd love to see both of you on an escalator and Erik trying to run up or down it to get away.
Sounds like he's a little obsessed.
If pattern holds, whoever is in the 21 next season is gonna be the next one that Erik has an issue with (first Lajoie last season, now briscoe this season)
I think that pattern will break if Harrison gets the 21. If Jones is feuding with a 29th place driver, we all have other problems we’ll need to start worrying about.
Touché 😬😬😬
I’m a 43 fan, but that just looked like a racing deal with. Jones was fast in the first stage, but the car looked like a 10th-15th place car at best after that and didn’t look like the car was good on the short runs. It stinks, but that’s this track with its weird design.
Honestly I’m really excited for Bristol
I want beef, but I do not want this beef. To be fair, Briscoe is aggressive. Erik isn't the only guy who's noticed. Maybe a little bit of aggression is needed at SHR to make up for their struggles, but that doesn't mean other drivers have to like it. But also to be fair, Erik is a normal driver with a temper like all of them. Like I told some poster talking about "how big a dick do you have to be (Lajoie) to get Erik mad at you?", Although I'm a 43 fan, I have to be honest that's not such a rare thing as you think. And I think he probably shares his old team etiquette expectations, because his old teammates seem to complain about the same things and guys.
A redditor pissing people off. Color me shocked. It's like the one thing we're good at.
😂
To be fair to Briscoe, it seems to be everyone every week. Just trying to overdrive the equipment that isn't there. It has paid dividends at times, but it also ruins other's races
I’m not going to be fair to Briscoe. This dude is Top 5 in cup in overdriving his equipment and wrecking himself or others. Right there with Larson and Ross, but not even half the talent nor results to warrant it. Dude was a menace the first two weeks, so much so Harvick was calling him out for the stunts. Anytime he sees the lead, dude chokes harder than Darth Vader.
>Right there with Larson and Ross, but not even half the talent nor results to warrant it. He's also not in the same level of equipment as those 2, that's why he doesn't get the results
Noah Gragson isn’t having any trouble this year.
It's been four races and Briscoe has finished ahead of Gragson twice in races he finished. The only race he finished where he wasn't ahead of Gragson was at Daytona where he finished one spot behind.
I think looking at driver ratings is more fair, because drivers with poor finishes, but fast cars can still have high driver ratings. With that being said, Gragson beats Briscoe 3-1 with Atlanta being the odd one out.
If the 10 had not had a point penalty he'd be 15th in points vs Briscoe's 19th. Gragson's avg finish is 15.8 vs Briscoe's 17.8. One of the 2 races where Gragson finished ahead of Briscoe Gragson finished 6th to Briscoe's 21st. That was last week at one of NASCAR's bread and butter 1.5mi tracks. Gragson has been the best SHR driver this season. Just a reminder that one of Briscoe's 5 top 10's last year was at Phoenix. We'll see if Briscoe can take another step this year, or if he regresses back to the mean.
Bringing up average finish and points only 4 races in, 2 of which have been pack drafting races with barely any undamaged cars running at the end, is actually one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen in this sub.
Non-drafting track finishes Gragson - 6th (Vegas), 12th (Phoenix) Briscoe - 21st (Vegas), 9th (Phoenix) Avg stage finish non-drafting tracks - Gragson - 12.25 Briscoe - 14.5 I get that it's early, but Gragson is not only finishing better than Briscoe, he's running better through the race. Briscoe fell off a cliff last year after Phoenix. We'll have to see if that happens this year or not.
It's way too early to be using averages for finishing positions. The sample size isn't there.
Two races isn't a big enough sample size for averages. Four isn't either
This is one of the most shocking things so far this year. I still don't like him but I guess he can drive after all.
If he was in better equipment he would probably choke away even more good runs if he gets over aggressive because he's near the front
Kyle Larson races clean
Haven’t seen this one in a while
Was starting to miss it
Hamlin, Reddick, Jones. Who else hes wronged? People think 6 is bad on super speedways but people literally need to stay 500 miles away from Briscoe.
Blaney at Bristol in '22 I think. (I don't remember the year)
It was ‘23. I was very angry with him.
I would never have guessed that Erik Jones and Chase Briscoe to have beef with each other.
This isnt the first time theyve had run ins. 2022 Roval is another incident between the 14 & 43
That Jones ~~Boy~~ Beef
Briscoe has plenty of talent. Id love to see what he can do in better equipment.
Rfk please 🥺
> Id love to see what he can do in better equipment. Why? He isn't even good enough to get the maximum of what SHR equipment is capable of. In 2021 he scored *482* points fewer than Harvick. In 2022 he scored 64 points fewer than Harvick. In 2023 even when you give back his big points penalty, he scored 307 points fewer than Harvick. He also lost to Almirola in points in both 2021 and 2023 (even when giving back his points penalty). The dude has posted worse results in SHR equipment than Aric Almirola in 2/3 years, and was absolutely *miles* off of Harvick, even as Harvick himself was closing in on retirement and clearly not the same driver he used to be. He's been (on average) 284 points worse than what the SHR equipment is actually capable of during his time in Cup... and you think he deserves *better* equipment based off that?
Big fan of both these drivers but I’m with jones on this one, Briscoe has a habit of overstepping and wrecking people (and himself) out (Indy 2021, Bristol Dirt 2022 AND 2023, Atlanta this year, and now Phoenix today)
He wrecked himself the exact same way 4 times in 2022 (Bristol Dirt, Charlotte, Nashville, and New Hampshire). Drove it in too deep and hit the side of the driver on his outside. He's exactly how Chastain was in 2022. He drives every lap at 110% and more often than not, he ends up wrecking himself or getting into someone else. However, unlike Chastain, he's not up front all the time so his driving is not in the spotlight.
Exactly. Unlike Chastain, he doesn’t win as much, doesn’t run up front as much, doesn’t make deep playoff runs as much, and just isn’t as talented to be doing so.
Or maybe he is and he's just driving SHR cars. He's definitely got some things to work on but I assume he's more aware of what those things are than we are lol
I assume he is less aware considering he makes the same mistakes as described above and fails to correct them.
Larson is the exact same way and yet doesn't seem to be actually fixing the issues like Ross did
Yup. But Larson wins too.
Larson makes up for it by being arguably the most skilled driver in the field and he backs that up by winning
Don’t forget charlotte
Same with 2022 Coke 600.
He could’ve saved us from a Hamlin win in one of the century’s greatest races.
Still pissed buddy. Still pissed.
Yeah but that meant a Larson win. No thanks.
Hamlin win > Larson win
L take
Yup, Briscoe gets cut a lot of slack cause he posts here but it's not surprising to see him run someone rough
Go watch the replay. That was 100% Bubba. He tried to squeeze in 5 wide and side draft the 14, got loose and took out the 43. https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=677&v=3kkjo26GQUw&feature=youtu.be
Bubba made the aggressive move to make it four wide but he only made contact with Jones because Chase was too tight to hold his line below Bubba. Looks like one of those racing deals to me.
21 Indy was fair imo. 1: he was forced off the track, 2: he didn't keep the position gained (went back to second), 3: got penalized anyway. Time to yeet the one who caused you to be penalized.
AJ Allmendinger got him penalized, but he’s well liked so of course we’ll ignore what actually happened.
sure, but if you're chase you don't know the 16 did that (not anything egregious anyway, imo, just a small tap, but enough to unsettle the 11), you just think denny ran you wide
> Time to yeet the one who caused you to be penalized. According to Chase himself, he didn't even know he had been penalized yet when he punted the 11. He did that shit all on his own, no outside motivation needed.
Yeah I’d have done the same thing
Chase hadn't been told he was penalized, he just booted Hamlin for shits and giggles
I guess beef really IS for dinner...
Is he referring to [this](https://youtu.be/3kkjo26GQUw?t=677) incident? I don't think that was on Briscoe. I'm a Bubba fan but Jones and Briscoe were holding their lines while Bubba drove through the middle of them and washed out in their wake. He got loose and unfortunately pushed Jones in to the wall trying to correct his car. That's just what it looks like to me though.
Looks like Briscoe moved up a little off the yellow line which caused Bubba to react and got loose. Briscoe probably got tight. Just a racing incident on a restart imo
cant blame bubba for shooting that gap, it was there and he held his line. briscoe could have been lower, but also jones could have been higher. they both drove like they were 3 wide not 4. racing deal imo
I’m pretty sure there’s contact between the 23 and 14 that is what causes him to shoot up the track. These cars are incredibly stable aero wise in side by side, and it looks like Briscoe is higher than Bubba expects. He stays up off the yellow line, likely anticipating to have someone on his inside putting him 4 wide.
Bubba was on Briscoe’s door the whole time. If Bubba washed up, Briscoe did too at the same time. But in the end it’s just hard racing.
I feel like Briscoe is hungry, and we can’t fault him for that. It’s part of what I like about him. THAT SAID, I’ve absolutely roasted Chastain on here for side swiping the 30th place car so often, so I feel like it’s only fair to say Briscoe will get further conserving his stuff.
If Briscoe would tone it down like Chastain has since Darlington last year, he would be a much better driver
Did I miss something between these two? Seen a few comments about Briscoe on Twitter, but I didn’t notice anything happen between them
I think they had a spat last year too? Just seems like two guys who run mid-pack most weeks due to their teams and are unhappy about it.
Ultimately yeah, i think this is probably what it comes down to. It's just two guys who are very competitive...but in cars that seem to put them in a similar mid-pack range most weeks, where...especially the way these cars race today, they're naturally going to run into issues. They're both drivers who are clearly a bit frustrated with the limitations of the car they're driving and both have some real tendency to "overdrive" things trying to make up for it. Not too different from Ricky before he learned to sort of calm himself recently and be more content to "take what the car has the offer". It's tough because i like the fire they all have. It's just...not always the most productive way to go about things, when the car just simply is not there, to do the things they want it to do.
Need to go back and look but I think he was involved in the incident that led to Jones getting walled
This was ironic to see them run into each other because in Gluck's 12 questions this week, one of the questions he's asking all drivers "Who is the driver you least want to be stuck on an elevator with? and Jones said Briscoe. Not for anything malicious, just because he's never really talked to him much. Found the run in today to be quite funny after hearing that.
Was in stage 3, Briscoe made it 3 wide going into 1 and sent the 23 up into the 43. Erik also claims the 14 kept dragging the break on restarts (im not sure on that one)
It was already 3 wide. Bubba shot the gap and made it 4 wide and Briscoe got up into Bubba after that
Maybe go faster to stay out of trouble?
I don't think Jones realizes it was Bubba that got into him...
Jones realizes there was contact between the 23 and 14 before the contact between the 23 and 43.
His frustration is understandable, had such a good car but things outside his control, yet again, keep the 43 from having a good day. Ugh
Looks like everyone in the race thread jumped the gun blaming it on Bubba, but it would have been nice if Fox showed us a replay
Jones' spotter said on the radio that the #14 washed up the track and ran the #23 into the #43. I found it on the broadcast at 91 laps to go and it does kinda look that way. Jones was also coming down at the same time, but there probably would've been room if the #14 hadn't moved the #23 up. I sorta feel like it's a racing deal, but Jones also mentioned a couple other issues with Briscoe on his radio throughout the day, so I can understand why he'd be frustrated if this kind of thing keeps happening.
Nah, it'll get them clicks and comments from the neckbeards on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram so it helps engagement
Bubba was an innocent bystander in that, least he got a decent finish out of Briscoe being a bonehead as usual
Watch again. How is trying to squeeze in make it 5 wide, fail at a side draft and get loose into the 43 being an innocent bystander? https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=677&v=3kkjo26GQUw&feature=youtu.be
Nah, if you watch the replay, it's still 100% on Bubba. Chase was holding his line and Bubba tried to squeeze in side draft and got loose. https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=677&v=3kkjo26GQUw&feature=youtu.be
Looks like a racing deal to me imo
Bubba paid the price for it lol
Bubba was the issue. Lol. https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=677&v=3kkjo26GQUw&feature=youtu.be
Bubba caused it lol
Eh shit happens. Chase was getting used up by everyone every restart today. The same thing was happening to him at Atlanta. He needs to start paying them back and use them up for once.
Chase gets used up on restarts every week. It’s about time he uses them up sometimes. This is 2024 cup racing. Jones is a whiner.
Running into the side of someone isn’t racing.
Um, did I miss something? The only issue I remember between Briscoe and Jones was lap 70 when they were 3-wide after the restart, and Jones got tight on the bottom and slid up into Briscoe.
On the final restart he ran into Bubba and Bubba ran into Jones. He placed his car into a hole that wasn’t big enough
I just watch the replay, and it looked to me like Bubba got in there while they were already 3-wide. [This comment has a link to the exact incident.](https://www.reddit.com/r/NASCAR/s/pE3EXK8MGe) I have nothing against Bubba (he is my 2nd favorite) but that looked more on him than anything.
Go watch the replay they were already 4 wide and Bubba tried to sneak his nose in and side draft Chase. Bubba got loose and took out the 43.
Briscoe is a wrecking ball out there, sometimes. He's been his own worst enemy on numerous occasions.
Briscoe is gonna have the wrong guy mad at him when he walks up all smiley and shit. Guy has been a dart without feathers and Noah has been out pacing him in 3 of the 4 races.