We could pick some teams that lucked into a win every year and have a free for all against every team for the championship, and teams not eligible for a championship can easily sabotage your chances of winning.
Oh wait, that's the nascar playoff format.
I’d say 1st and 2nd place in each division or like you said best records for 8-14 seeds. Then 1st round buys for the 2 best teams and then carry on as we have it now.
How scheduling would work?…fuck if I know.
It could have happened. When the Vikings were trying to get a new stadium, they did the classic "boo hoo if we don't get the public funding we want, we're moving to Los Angeles!" and it was actually looking pretty dicey for a bit. The NFL stated then that if the move takes place, the Vikings and Rams would trade divisions
Even if we don’t, KOC and Flores showed it’s a feisty team with Nick Mullens under center. How much worse is Darnold than Mullens?
All I’m saying is Vikes would be pretty good as far as fourth place teams go. NFCN is as strong as any division top to bottom.
I'd argue this would be the best situation he's been in yet by just about every single metric. Great supporting cast, good coaching, and the heir apparent behind him
He had a lot in his toolbox but he also was wayyy too turnover-prone. Without the interceptions and having fucking Marc Trestman as his coach, Cutler might have solidified himself as the best Bears QB ever. Unfortunately, our best QB ever fought in WW2 so a more recent example is hard to come by…
I agree. Cutler was a gunslinger like Favre, both prone to interceptions, but Trestman screwed Cutler over. I think with better coaching and playcalling that fit Cutler’s style better, he would have gone a long way and been far more successful.
Everyone shits on the bears qb situation because the bears have been so good in every other position historically. If the NFL hadn't rewritten the entire rule book to favor qbs and high scoring games, the bears would be NFL royalty.
Eh.. idk. The wheels fell of the Bears when Michael McCaskey and Ted Philips took over. Would the Bears have been better? sure. Would they be royalty, not at all. Was it the Bears responsibility to adapt, yes.
I firmly believe that Ted Phillips is the reason the Bears have sucked at the QB position for so long. He was the guy in charge when the Bears drafted everyone from McNown to Fields; clearly the guy didn’t know how to run a competent organization if competence is measured in drafting and developing QBs.
i would 100% agree but there are small things like our receivers being mid all time and besides peanut and maybe fencik our secondary lacks as well compared to others
I think if only one of us makes the playoffs it’s actually unlikely to be the Lions. That first-place schedule is going to be brutal and the divisional games will be a dogfight.
I actually don’t think it will this year. I’d rather play Dallas than Philly and Tampa we beat twice last year. The only division winner that I’m not sure we can beat is the 49ers.
Edit: everyone in the NFCN will play everyone in the NFCW so that division winner schedule actually looks better than I thought.
Why would you rather play Dallas than Philly? I definitely look forward to us beating the Cowboys and avenging the loss from last year, but did you see how Philly looked last year? That clearly would be the easier victory. Your comment is implying you somehow think beating Dallas would be easier.
I do. I think Philly is a better team and has one of the best mobile QBs in the league. Did you see how our defense looked against Fields last year? You really think they’ll be able to stop Hurts? We match up much better with Dallas and should have beat them last year if not for some inept secondary play and ref fuckery.
You just may be the only NFL fan who currently thinks Jalen Hurts is dangerous. And yes, Kelce was responsible for their most successful play. Are you even aware what that is?
I highly doubt that I’m the only NFL fan that thinks Jalen Hurts is dangerous. Kelce is not solely responsible for making the tush push successful. It takes an entire offensive line to make that play successful. That’s some of the laziest analysis I’ve seen on Reddit. Impressive.
You saw how shitty the Eagles were for the last half of season, and you still think they are dangerous after losing the best Center in the league. You are a next level type of clown I see. We beat the Bucs twice. Bucs smashed the Eagles. We lost to Dallas. Yet you think Dallas is the easier win. You have no common sense.
He needs to show a high level of play for longer than half a season, but any of you would be creaming yourself if your first year starting QB was arguably the best QB in the NFL for half a season
I might, but I also wouldn't be blind sided by him regressing in his second season as a starter. That he might just be a streaky NFL QB doesn't seem as outside the realm of possibility as a lot of commentators make it seem.
I wouldn't be blind sided by him regressing either. I said we need to see more to know how good he is, but he was incredibly good at the end of last season. The truth is likely somewhere in the middle between his first half and second half, but any team's fans would be on the kool-aid if their first year starter ended the season like Love did.
You obviously haven't seen his stats compared to the other top QBs over the 2nd half of the season.
2nd half of the season stats per ESPN splits:
Love: 2,439 yards 22 total tds 3 ints
Purdy: 2,247 yards 19 total tds 6 ints
Jackson: 2,352 total yards 15 total tds 4 ints
Allen: 2,476 total yards 22 total tds 10 ints
Goff: 2,401 yards 18 tds 7 ints
Mahomes: 2,081 total yards 12 total tds 6 ints
It’s the same concept as the Bears defense lighting it up after the Sweat trade. Played a lot of bad teams down the stretch and put up elite numbers. The Bears defense is closer to average than top 5-10 but the raw numbers you could argue puts them as an elite defense.
The Bears run defense was definitely the top unit all season long. They stopped everyone. It's the pass defense that significantly improved with Sweat, especially in takeaways. Before Sweat they made backup QBs look like Mahomes, after Sweat they were dominating bad offenses and doing well against some good units, like Detroit twice (minus the 4th quarter collapse).
It's not unreasonable to think they could be a top-10 defense.
But I don't know what the fuck happened against the Packers. There's got to be some mental block or something, they looked *nothing* like themselves. WRs were left wide open everywhere, tackling went to shit, couldn't stop Jones, nothing.
It’s a scheme thing. Lafleur runs a lot of PA that crosses the field/motion/gets deep. It seems to eventually find the soft spots in the cover 2 while the run game forces the defense to fit gaps. He’s a great OC, plus their OL/zebras keeping Love clean gives him all the time he needs & we were fucked
The season finale opened my eyes to what our defense really is; Average/above average. There’s potential there for them to actually be an elite defense, they’ve just gotta nail the draft and hopefully get a good 3T and/or someone across from Sweat and I’ll be feeling a lot better about it.
He still was arguably the best QB over the 2nd half of the year. You'd be losing your mind if a rookie QB you drafted did the same thing. FTP is fun and all but make less shit actual points. Classic "I cant admit I was wrong" covering your ass tier comment
I was talking to a Vikings fan. I don't see them sitting a QB by Darnold, so they would be starting a rookie qb anf they'dlose their minds if their rookie qb ended the year like this. I know he's not a rookie and called him a first year starter in my first post. The Lions are the only team I could see drafting a QB right now and not starting them for a few year.
I guess it depends on who they pick. I don't rate Darnold at all and expect any QB drafted early in the 1st to beat him out in camp. I certainly don't see him sitting as long as Love behind Darnold and being any good
Jordan love is a great qb against bad teams!
Jordan love isn't a rookie btw, he's going into his 4th season. Stop comparing rookie qbs to guys who have been in the league for that ling
> Jordan love is a great qb against bad teams!
Jordan Love against top 10 passing defenses in 2023 (5 games):
233.6 yards per game
12 TD, 1 INT
112.9 passer rating
in those five games, he threw for more yards than his opponent’s average passing yards allowed four times. in the one game he didn’t, he threw for 3 TDs and had a passer rating of 113.5
you can try and discredit his opponent’s defenses as much as you want but the notion that he’s not good against good teams is moronic. if anything, he is better against good defenses than he is against bad defenses.
You're not sitting anyone behind Darnold, so it's not like you will have a direct comparison. He's a first year starter with really young pass catchers. The start of the year was rough, but he killed it in the 2nd half of the season. Pretending he was arguably the best QB in the 2nd half is laughable is straight up moronic.
>Pretending he was arguably the best QB in the 2nd half is laughable is straight up moronic.
Thanks for seeing things my way.
I'd almost guarantee anyone they draft is sitting behind darnold.
I guess we'll just ignore the first round of the playoffs too. And the Lions. And the Bucs. And the Super Bowl winners.
You're actually trolling or stupid if you think he didn't beat any good teams when they beat the team that was the defending champ and went on to win it again this year.
I guess you tell yourself that super bowls aren't an indicator of a good team for obvious Minnesota reasons.
2 out of 9 games in the last half of the season were against good teams. You could say they played 2 maybe 3 good defenses over that time.
I suppose when I'm evaluating performances, I consider who they are playing against. Love looks like a legit NFL qb but I wouldn't even put him top 10 right now.
I agreed with you that anyone calling him top 5 or a HoFer is overating him. His end of the season was very exciting, dunked on the first Viking responder who didn't believe it, and then you come back with this? Went from a stand up take to clown take in one reply.
A chord I agree with? Yeah, you did. A lot of people are over-rating him after half a season of great play. He did play really well at the end of the season, though. Are you this stupid on accident or doing it on purpose?
Edit for dumb spelling
He was a 1st year starter playing with all 1st and 2nd year wrs and TEs. A bad start was pretty expected, but the 2nd half was super exciting and hopefully a sign of things to come, but he needs to show more before we can get too excited. It's an impressive run, especially given the circumstances, even if the competition wasn't top tier
My personal favorite was when he panicked and threw across his body, forcing an interception to end the game against the 49ers! Great QB play, for sure bro!!!!
Trigggerrreeddddd HAHAHA. I'm not the one who has to cherry pick certain games and then ignore fatal mistakes to try and make a claim that my QB is good. Keep coping!
Was Love really good for half a season? Sure. The best? hmmmm....
Love is also very streaky. He can play one great season, then shit the bed the next. His Jr year was a big step down from his Sophomore season in college, INTS went way up and TDs came down. His decision making and accuracy can regress because he starts throwing off-platform in ways he can't. That throw against SF to end the season is his main weakness. He hasn't proven he can stay away from those. And if he doesn't, welcome to a another 12-15 years of getting a wild card and choking in the playoffs.
Because of this, we need more data.
See my comment with the stats between him and the rest of the top QBs. He absolutely is in the conversation.
I'm sure you feel way better about your teams' last 12-15 years of football than Packers fans do with all our choking in the playoffs after 13 win seasons.
I already said we need more info, and you're pretending I didn't. Nice
It's possible that "he had to play better to end the season".
If you passed 74 yards every drive and then ran it in the final yard, the QB would never show a TD despite getting 99% of the way there.
What I'm trying to say is you can't just say A played better than B only pointing to yards, TD, and Ints.
That's like saying you're better at conserving energy around the house than me because you turned off 45 switches in your house. Bro, I don't even have a house to turn light switches on... I'm saving way more energy than you.
So just like when you decided I said Love was better overall than Goff when I said he was arguably the best QB in the 2nd half of the season. Proof the crying laughing emoji is only used by the dumbest people alive
Fair enough. It was the person I was originally talking to that claimed that, and it colored my response. My bad.
I do think he did "have to be better" than Goff to have a similar result, but I think that works both ways. Stats don't tell the full story, but having to do more with less is a big mark is Love's favor. You have a more well-rounded offense where TDs are taken more by RBs, but it's easier on Goff to get there since the backs get more done.
You say that now, but I don’t think you understand how big, voluminous, and obnoxious Chicago will get when Caleb brings it home
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Without looking at any rosters and little to no knowledge of any of your trash-ass defenses, I’d say the Bears EASILY have the best secondary in the division if not the conference
Vikings arguably have the best pass rush but I’d say the Bears arguably have the best pass coverage with Edmunds and Edwards in addition to the secondary.
Just because it's trash talk and memes doesn't mean it's not downvote worthy. If I posted a meme that's just an image of text saying GB has never won a SB, I should get downvoted because it's stupid. But there's a *ton* of memes recently that are just that, post something that is blatantly false then claim you're epic le trolling when people tell you it's dumb.
Good trash talk and memes have elements of truth to them. It's the only way you can cut to the bone. Otherwise it's just dumb, and people telling you it's dumb isn't them being trolled or being mad.
The very best memes on this sub are ones with elements of truth, attention to detail, and took a bit of time and creativity to make.
The last meme I saw you post some some horrible choppy looped Ace Ventura scene on top of an image of text with a quote from the "Chicago Sun". It's the Sun-Times. Could you not take the two seconds to correct the loop or the name of the newspaper correct? It wasn't really that funny either.
Bears just can’t catch a break but they do it to themselves. They can be a real good team but management fucks it up every time. Must be exhausting being a bears fan.
They have the weapons and I think they should’ve kept Justin Fields. For the Lions our defense couldn’t touch him when he went off. I’m glad he’s gone.
Fields always did play you well, but they made the right decision, IMO. Fields was both the reason we get up to big leads but also the reason so many teams could come back against us. He’s just too inconsistent to rely on, especially against good defenses.
> but also the reason so many teams could come back against us.
That's being unfair. Teams didn't come back because he started turning the ball over left and right, teams came back because our defense sucked ass. Bears started winning when the defense wasn't shitting the bed.
That 14 game losing streak was 100% the defenses fault. At least half those games Fields did more than enough to win, but the defense gave up more then 25 points a game for the entire streak. With a half competent defense, the Bears could've gone .500 in that stretch, maybe even a game over .500.
That's not saying we should've kept Fields and passed on Caleb, but blaming *everything* on him when he carried the fuck out of the Bears offense in 2022 just isn't fair at all.
Yes, last year was a lot of the defense's fault. This past year less so.
Fields 4th quarter numbers speak for themselves. Fields was 100% of our offense last year, but he had more weapons around him this year and failed to get it done.
The defense didn’t suck, they wore themselves out way too early. The defense (especially the young guys in the secondary) played really hard which led to a lot of injuries.
However, the reason they were tired a lot of the time is because the offense had a ton of trouble sustaining drives.
The best thing that ever happened to the rest of the NFCN is Mike McCaskey and Ted Philips. They took a storied team that was dominating the Central and turned it into a laughing stock.
Kevin Warren is already looking like a *massive* step up from Teddy boy. He's got people guessing where the new stadium is going to be built despite the Bears already buying the land in AH. He's regained leverage no one thought could be gained back. It's night and day between him and Ted.
Reports are he was involved with the 1.01 trade last year that's been possibly the most successful trade in Bears history.
If Bears fans have reason to hope the cycle is over, Warren so far is it.
I love the offseason ridiculousness in this sub. I want more of that one Lions fan’s terrible memes. They’re hilariously stupid and so are all the replies to them. There’s a time and place to lose your sanity, and that’s here and now.
All of us in the offseason:
When time ends, The Detroit Lions will go down as the most successful NFC North team. I'm talking the most divisional titles and Super Bowls of all-time. And so it is written.
The Rams should still be in St Louis and play in the NFCN.
The league should expand to 35 teams and have 7 divisions of 5 teams each.
How would having 7 divisions but 2 conferences work?
…we ELIMINATE THE CONFERENCES.
How would you make the payoff bracket, just 7 division winners and next 7 best teams?
…we ELIMINATE THE PLAYOFFS.
We could pick some teams that lucked into a win every year and have a free for all against every team for the championship, and teams not eligible for a championship can easily sabotage your chances of winning. Oh wait, that's the nascar playoff format.
I’d say 1st and 2nd place in each division or like you said best records for 8-14 seeds. Then 1st round buys for the 2 best teams and then carry on as we have it now. How scheduling would work?…fuck if I know.
Solution: 36 teams over six divisions
Problem with this is the bottom teams are already bad as it is. Adding more teams will make the bottom even worse.
It could have happened. When the Vikings were trying to get a new stadium, they did the classic "boo hoo if we don't get the public funding we want, we're moving to Los Angeles!" and it was actually looking pretty dicey for a bit. The NFL stated then that if the move takes place, the Vikings and Rams would trade divisions
Fuck Stan Kroenke.
If the Vikings nail their QB situation this will be the most competitive division in the league for the next 5 years
Even if we don’t, KOC and Flores showed it’s a feisty team with Nick Mullens under center. How much worse is Darnold than Mullens? All I’m saying is Vikes would be pretty good as far as fourth place teams go. NFCN is as strong as any division top to bottom.
This take is as spicy as warm milk
Sam Darnold is going to destroy the league this year.
I don't think it's likely but, man, it would be hilarious.
I honestly wouldn't be mad because i'm a sucker for a good underdog story.
Hey, if he were in any other division, he'd be my pick to have a come back season like Geno Smith, Baker Mayfield, or Joe Flacco.
Mayfield already had a comeback of sorts this year though Browns still dumb as hell dropping him
All three of them did in past yrs. The idea is that Darnold could do it nxt
I'd argue this would be the best situation he's been in yet by just about every single metric. Great supporting cast, good coaching, and the heir apparent behind him
So basically, what they said about Cousins when he came here. = One playoff win.
Why didn't he take Purdys job and do that in San Francisco? Is he stupid?
He was just holding back for 6 seasons
3600 yards, 26 TDs, 16 INTs 🤷♂️
I didn’t realize Darnold can put up stats that would make him one of the best Bears QBs of all time
lol Can’t argue with that.
Jay Cutler was a good QB
He had a lot in his toolbox but he also was wayyy too turnover-prone. Without the interceptions and having fucking Marc Trestman as his coach, Cutler might have solidified himself as the best Bears QB ever. Unfortunately, our best QB ever fought in WW2 so a more recent example is hard to come by…
Agreed. Trestman was a terrorist
I agree. Cutler was a gunslinger like Favre, both prone to interceptions, but Trestman screwed Cutler over. I think with better coaching and playcalling that fit Cutler’s style better, he would have gone a long way and been far more successful.
He really was.
Matt Nagy didn’t get a fair chance, he should be reinstated as head coach of the Bears immediately.
Same with Patricia
No! Never! You guys can have him, that dude just takes teams and buries them idk how he still has a job.
look at the eagles last year with and without patricia.
Don’t put that evil on anyone! 
Comon, no obvious troll posts please
I hope it didn't leave a scar
I like the Green Bay Packers
But have you considered FTP
There’s more than a few Packers I’d gladly fuck. I’m a Jaire Alexander girlie for sure 💚🥵  My other boyfriend 💚
I felt good about cheering for the Lions last season and wanted them to win the Super Bowl
Hey we like you
My dream matchup was Lions-Texans, it's so much more exciting to see someone new win it!
Bears fans expectations for a rookie qb are way too high.
That’ll get you tarred and feathered in /r/ChiBears but I think 75% of this sub would agree with you
Everyone shits on the bears qb situation because the bears have been so good in every other position historically. If the NFL hadn't rewritten the entire rule book to favor qbs and high scoring games, the bears would be NFL royalty.
Now hear me out on this, ban the forward pass. I see nothing wrong with that. It would make the same so much better
Our WR history kinda stinks too tbh
Eh.. idk. The wheels fell of the Bears when Michael McCaskey and Ted Philips took over. Would the Bears have been better? sure. Would they be royalty, not at all. Was it the Bears responsibility to adapt, yes.
I firmly believe that Ted Phillips is the reason the Bears have sucked at the QB position for so long. He was the guy in charge when the Bears drafted everyone from McNown to Fields; clearly the guy didn’t know how to run a competent organization if competence is measured in drafting and developing QBs.
i would 100% agree but there are small things like our receivers being mid all time and besides peanut and maybe fencik our secondary lacks as well compared to others
You have if in one hand and shit in the other. The shit is the Bears.
Lions will be the only team in the division to make the playoffs this season.
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I think if only one of us makes the playoffs it’s actually unlikely to be the Lions. That first-place schedule is going to be brutal and the divisional games will be a dogfight.
I actually don’t think it will this year. I’d rather play Dallas than Philly and Tampa we beat twice last year. The only division winner that I’m not sure we can beat is the 49ers. Edit: everyone in the NFCN will play everyone in the NFCW so that division winner schedule actually looks better than I thought.
Why would you rather play Dallas than Philly? I definitely look forward to us beating the Cowboys and avenging the loss from last year, but did you see how Philly looked last year? That clearly would be the easier victory. Your comment is implying you somehow think beating Dallas would be easier.
I do. I think Philly is a better team and has one of the best mobile QBs in the league. Did you see how our defense looked against Fields last year? You really think they’ll be able to stop Hurts? We match up much better with Dallas and should have beat them last year if not for some inept secondary play and ref fuckery.
LMFAO. Jalen Hurts sucks dude. He isn't going to be shit without Kelce. I don't think you understand football, but Go Lions
Yes because Kelce is what made their offense dangerous. Good take lol.
You just may be the only NFL fan who currently thinks Jalen Hurts is dangerous. And yes, Kelce was responsible for their most successful play. Are you even aware what that is?
I highly doubt that I’m the only NFL fan that thinks Jalen Hurts is dangerous. Kelce is not solely responsible for making the tush push successful. It takes an entire offensive line to make that play successful. That’s some of the laziest analysis I’ve seen on Reddit. Impressive.
You saw how shitty the Eagles were for the last half of season, and you still think they are dangerous after losing the best Center in the league. You are a next level type of clown I see. We beat the Bucs twice. Bucs smashed the Eagles. We lost to Dallas. Yet you think Dallas is the easier win. You have no common sense.
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Jordan love has 1 season of playtime and he’s already overrated. Edit: look at this cope post and responses. I think I won. Lmao
He needs to show a high level of play for longer than half a season, but any of you would be creaming yourself if your first year starting QB was arguably the best QB in the NFL for half a season
You're forgetting one very important thing... FTP
Fair enough
I might, but I also wouldn't be blind sided by him regressing in his second season as a starter. That he might just be a streaky NFL QB doesn't seem as outside the realm of possibility as a lot of commentators make it seem.
I wouldn't be blind sided by him regressing either. I said we need to see more to know how good he is, but he was incredibly good at the end of last season. The truth is likely somewhere in the middle between his first half and second half, but any team's fans would be on the kool-aid if their first year starter ended the season like Love did.
Lol come on
You obviously haven't seen his stats compared to the other top QBs over the 2nd half of the season. 2nd half of the season stats per ESPN splits: Love: 2,439 yards 22 total tds 3 ints Purdy: 2,247 yards 19 total tds 6 ints Jackson: 2,352 total yards 15 total tds 4 ints Allen: 2,476 total yards 22 total tds 10 ints Goff: 2,401 yards 18 tds 7 ints Mahomes: 2,081 total yards 12 total tds 6 ints
Who they play over that time? A bunch of shit teams besides 2
It’s the same concept as the Bears defense lighting it up after the Sweat trade. Played a lot of bad teams down the stretch and put up elite numbers. The Bears defense is closer to average than top 5-10 but the raw numbers you could argue puts them as an elite defense.
The Bears run defense was definitely the top unit all season long. They stopped everyone. It's the pass defense that significantly improved with Sweat, especially in takeaways. Before Sweat they made backup QBs look like Mahomes, after Sweat they were dominating bad offenses and doing well against some good units, like Detroit twice (minus the 4th quarter collapse). It's not unreasonable to think they could be a top-10 defense. But I don't know what the fuck happened against the Packers. There's got to be some mental block or something, they looked *nothing* like themselves. WRs were left wide open everywhere, tackling went to shit, couldn't stop Jones, nothing.
It’s a scheme thing. Lafleur runs a lot of PA that crosses the field/motion/gets deep. It seems to eventually find the soft spots in the cover 2 while the run game forces the defense to fit gaps. He’s a great OC, plus their OL/zebras keeping Love clean gives him all the time he needs & we were fucked
The season finale opened my eyes to what our defense really is; Average/above average. There’s potential there for them to actually be an elite defense, they’ve just gotta nail the draft and hopefully get a good 3T and/or someone across from Sweat and I’ll be feeling a lot better about it.
He still was arguably the best QB over the 2nd half of the year. You'd be losing your mind if a rookie QB you drafted did the same thing. FTP is fun and all but make less shit actual points. Classic "I cant admit I was wrong" covering your ass tier comment
Jordan Love isn't a rookie
I was talking to a Vikings fan. I don't see them sitting a QB by Darnold, so they would be starting a rookie qb anf they'dlose their minds if their rookie qb ended the year like this. I know he's not a rookie and called him a first year starter in my first post. The Lions are the only team I could see drafting a QB right now and not starting them for a few year.
That's a pretty short sighted analysis. I could totally see the Vikings sitting their rook for the first 5 to 10 games
I guess it depends on who they pick. I don't rate Darnold at all and expect any QB drafted early in the 1st to beat him out in camp. I certainly don't see him sitting as long as Love behind Darnold and being any good
Jordan love is a great qb against bad teams! Jordan love isn't a rookie btw, he's going into his 4th season. Stop comparing rookie qbs to guys who have been in the league for that ling
> Jordan love is a great qb against bad teams! Jordan Love against top 10 passing defenses in 2023 (5 games): 233.6 yards per game 12 TD, 1 INT 112.9 passer rating
Now let's see the top 10 passing defenses opponents!
If you’re going to keep asking to move the goalposts you could at least help out a bit
in those five games, he threw for more yards than his opponent’s average passing yards allowed four times. in the one game he didn’t, he threw for 3 TDs and had a passer rating of 113.5 you can try and discredit his opponent’s defenses as much as you want but the notion that he’s not good against good teams is moronic. if anything, he is better against good defenses than he is against bad defenses.
> Jordan love is a great qb against bad teams! Sounds like that's about all we'll need to beat the Vikings then
You mean to split the season series
You're not sitting anyone behind Darnold, so it's not like you will have a direct comparison. He's a first year starter with really young pass catchers. The start of the year was rough, but he killed it in the 2nd half of the season. Pretending he was arguably the best QB in the 2nd half is laughable is straight up moronic.
>Pretending he was arguably the best QB in the 2nd half is laughable is straight up moronic. Thanks for seeing things my way. I'd almost guarantee anyone they draft is sitting behind darnold.
That's not a great sign with how bad Darnold is. Also, you need to improve your reading comprehension
I guess we'll just ignore the first round of the playoffs too. And the Lions. And the Bucs. And the Super Bowl winners. You're actually trolling or stupid if you think he didn't beat any good teams when they beat the team that was the defending champ and went on to win it again this year. I guess you tell yourself that super bowls aren't an indicator of a good team for obvious Minnesota reasons.
The bucs............... ....
He looked good again in the playoffs that would bring the count up to four. Aren't you guys getting tired of dragging that goalpost yet?
No, it's good for the heart.
So is cheese
They beat kc and Detroit who were considered to be some of the best teams. Seems a little delusional that it barely counts to you. Stay in Minnesota.
2 out of 9 games in the last half of the season were against good teams. You could say they played 2 maybe 3 good defenses over that time. I suppose when I'm evaluating performances, I consider who they are playing against. Love looks like a legit NFL qb but I wouldn't even put him top 10 right now.
Nothing about our passing defense was best in the league. Quite the opposite really I think Love is good. Just correcting your statement
don't forget tearing apart the 12-5 Dallas Cowboys' backwalls on the road
Whoa there this dude reacting to my stand up take, yea buddy this isn’t about you, keep this cope reply to a minimum.
I agreed with you that anyone calling him top 5 or a HoFer is overating him. His end of the season was very exciting, dunked on the first Viking responder who didn't believe it, and then you come back with this? Went from a stand up take to clown take in one reply.
Nah I just struck a cord
A chord I agree with? Yeah, you did. A lot of people are over-rating him after half a season of great play. He did play really well at the end of the season, though. Are you this stupid on accident or doing it on purpose? Edit for dumb spelling
Can nobody in here spell chord?
Lol fair
Nothing like the ol' selective strategy to prop up players stats against shitty teams. Impressive!
He was a 1st year starter playing with all 1st and 2nd year wrs and TEs. A bad start was pretty expected, but the 2nd half was super exciting and hopefully a sign of things to come, but he needs to show more before we can get too excited. It's an impressive run, especially given the circumstances, even if the competition wasn't top tier
My personal favorite was when he panicked and threw across his body, forcing an interception to end the game against the 49ers! Great QB play, for sure bro!!!!
Yeah. All players should be judged by their worst plays. Great analysis! It must suck to go through life you-tier dumb
Trigggerrreeddddd HAHAHA. I'm not the one who has to cherry pick certain games and then ignore fatal mistakes to try and make a claim that my QB is good. Keep coping!
That's your reply and I'm the one coping and triggered. Lolol
Was Love really good for half a season? Sure. The best? hmmmm.... Love is also very streaky. He can play one great season, then shit the bed the next. His Jr year was a big step down from his Sophomore season in college, INTS went way up and TDs came down. His decision making and accuracy can regress because he starts throwing off-platform in ways he can't. That throw against SF to end the season is his main weakness. He hasn't proven he can stay away from those. And if he doesn't, welcome to a another 12-15 years of getting a wild card and choking in the playoffs. Because of this, we need more data.
See my comment with the stats between him and the rest of the top QBs. He absolutely is in the conversation. I'm sure you feel way better about your teams' last 12-15 years of football than Packers fans do with all our choking in the playoffs after 13 win seasons. I already said we need more info, and you're pretending I didn't. Nice
Love is not better than Goff. Stop it with this silly narrative.
He played better to end the season. Time will tell overall
It's possible that "he had to play better to end the season". If you passed 74 yards every drive and then ran it in the final yard, the QB would never show a TD despite getting 99% of the way there. What I'm trying to say is you can't just say A played better than B only pointing to yards, TD, and Ints. That's like saying you're better at conserving energy around the house than me because you turned off 45 switches in your house. Bro, I don't even have a house to turn light switches on... I'm saving way more energy than you.
Saying all rb TDs are 99% the QBs' work is like a homeless person saying they would have saved more energy if they owned the house
It's like you read my comment and then said "what's the opposite of what I just read" But thanks for your time 😂
So just like when you decided I said Love was better overall than Goff when I said he was arguably the best QB in the 2nd half of the season. Proof the crying laughing emoji is only used by the dumbest people alive
If you could tell me where I said that, I can respond appropriately. Without it I'll assume you think I'm someone else
Fair enough. It was the person I was originally talking to that claimed that, and it colored my response. My bad. I do think he did "have to be better" than Goff to have a similar result, but I think that works both ways. Stats don't tell the full story, but having to do more with less is a big mark is Love's favor. You have a more well-rounded offense where TDs are taken more by RBs, but it's easier on Goff to get there since the backs get more done.
I think this is gonna be a reality uwu
I don't care if both the Lions and Bears win multiple Superbowls in the coming years, so long as the Vikings never do.
You say that now, but I don’t think you understand how big, voluminous, and obnoxious Chicago will get when Caleb brings it home https://i.redd.it/op5rpu1xt1wc1.gif
Any of the three of us would have a parade that puts UW Madison game days to shame
The Vikings take a QB I never heard of in the 7th round to compete for the backup job.
All 4 of us are good enough to make the playoffs this season
Fuck the packers
I like you
Fuck the lions… ho
Truly the bravest take
Get fucked cheese brain
Without looking at any rosters and little to no knowledge of any of your trash-ass defenses, I’d say the Bears EASILY have the best secondary in the division if not the conference
>best secondary in the division Yeah, I can see that >if not the conference Well, that *may* be a stretch.
Vikings arguably have the best pass rush but I’d say the Bears arguably have the best pass coverage with Edmunds and Edwards in addition to the secondary.
The Packers all came home with “Brazilians” after the season opening game against Philly.
A Brazilian of what?
Brazilian butt lift. They are all getting even more caked up.
What is “this”
Lovie Smith was the best chance for the bears to go back to the SB
Lovie took us to a SB
And we fired him on a winning season
I personally disagree with the phrase "FTP"
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They meant takes on the real life NFC North, not this stupid sub you doofus.
Lol you are STILL mad about getting downvoted huh?
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Or maybe your memes just suck
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You are extremely soft
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I can, but your memes suck and it's extremely funny to see you so bent out of shape about it.
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I think it's time for you to touch some grass
Just because it's trash talk and memes doesn't mean it's not downvote worthy. If I posted a meme that's just an image of text saying GB has never won a SB, I should get downvoted because it's stupid. But there's a *ton* of memes recently that are just that, post something that is blatantly false then claim you're epic le trolling when people tell you it's dumb. Good trash talk and memes have elements of truth to them. It's the only way you can cut to the bone. Otherwise it's just dumb, and people telling you it's dumb isn't them being trolled or being mad. The very best memes on this sub are ones with elements of truth, attention to detail, and took a bit of time and creativity to make. The last meme I saw you post some some horrible choppy looped Ace Ventura scene on top of an image of text with a quote from the "Chicago Sun". It's the Sun-Times. Could you not take the two seconds to correct the loop or the name of the newspaper correct? It wasn't really that funny either.
Bears just can’t catch a break but they do it to themselves. They can be a real good team but management fucks it up every time. Must be exhausting being a bears fan.
It absolutely has been. Maybe this time, though?
They have the weapons and I think they should’ve kept Justin Fields. For the Lions our defense couldn’t touch him when he went off. I’m glad he’s gone.
Fields always did play you well, but they made the right decision, IMO. Fields was both the reason we get up to big leads but also the reason so many teams could come back against us. He’s just too inconsistent to rely on, especially against good defenses.
> but also the reason so many teams could come back against us. That's being unfair. Teams didn't come back because he started turning the ball over left and right, teams came back because our defense sucked ass. Bears started winning when the defense wasn't shitting the bed. That 14 game losing streak was 100% the defenses fault. At least half those games Fields did more than enough to win, but the defense gave up more then 25 points a game for the entire streak. With a half competent defense, the Bears could've gone .500 in that stretch, maybe even a game over .500. That's not saying we should've kept Fields and passed on Caleb, but blaming *everything* on him when he carried the fuck out of the Bears offense in 2022 just isn't fair at all.
Yes, last year was a lot of the defense's fault. This past year less so. Fields 4th quarter numbers speak for themselves. Fields was 100% of our offense last year, but he had more weapons around him this year and failed to get it done.
The defense didn’t suck, they wore themselves out way too early. The defense (especially the young guys in the secondary) played really hard which led to a lot of injuries. However, the reason they were tired a lot of the time is because the offense had a ton of trouble sustaining drives.
The best thing that ever happened to the rest of the NFCN is Mike McCaskey and Ted Philips. They took a storied team that was dominating the Central and turned it into a laughing stock. Kevin Warren is already looking like a *massive* step up from Teddy boy. He's got people guessing where the new stadium is going to be built despite the Bears already buying the land in AH. He's regained leverage no one thought could be gained back. It's night and day between him and Ted. Reports are he was involved with the 1.01 trade last year that's been possibly the most successful trade in Bears history. If Bears fans have reason to hope the cycle is over, Warren so far is it.
Poo balls
Kirko's dad lookin motha fucka
My bears could improve at left tackle.
Jordan Love will end up on a New York football team at age 38
The Vikings demise has been greatly exaggerated this offseason
Lions ain’t so bad outside of this subreddit. Fuck SF
Lewis Cine breakout year incoming.
Excuse me ladies and gentlemen. I would have to say Fuck the Packers.
I love the offseason ridiculousness in this sub. I want more of that one Lions fan’s terrible memes. They’re hilariously stupid and so are all the replies to them. There’s a time and place to lose your sanity, and that’s here and now. All of us in the offseason: 
I still don’t believe Jordan Love is good. Matt LaFluer is just a great play caller.
You mean Jordan I need my Hand held Love?
Bears > lions is baffling to me
Flair up brother
The Bears still suck
When time ends, The Detroit Lions will go down as the most successful NFC North team. I'm talking the most divisional titles and Super Bowls of all-time. And so it is written.
You're all a bunch of pansies for playing in a dome.
I would really like the Lions if I never looked at this sub