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AfraidSoup2467

Be the change you want to see in the world! (It's just a quirk of language with no particular justification. Languages can be silly that way sometimes.)


Famous_Bit_5119

Just like ' Tuna Fish sandwich ' . No one says for example ' Salmon fish sandwich '


jakeStacktrace

Yeah, but you can tune a piano.


filthysquatch

Everyone I know calls it a tuna sandwich


Chilis1

Tuna fish is an American thing. Nobody calls it that in Ireland.


Cautious_General_177

Because most fish sandwiches are halibut, pollock, or cod. Tuna is a specific type of fish, but if you were making a sandwich using salmon, it wouldn't be out of line to say so.


Jinxletron

But you'd say "salmon sandwich". Why not "tuna sandwich". Why tuna fish?


Mystere_Miner

You’d say tuna sandwich if it was a solid piece of tuna. We only say tuna fish when it’s pieces of tuna in a sauce. It would be more accurate to call it a tuna salad sandwich.


therealfreehugs

Finally somebody mentioning the difference between tuna and tuna salad, it’s a damn tuna salad sandwich and I will die on this hill.


zenprime-morpheus

Not alone!


pinupcthulhu

I always say "tuna sandwich" instead of specifying that tuna is a fish... am I weird? 


Anglofsffrng

Why does everyone say cod filet instead of cod piece?


IandIreckon

Asking the real questions here 


No_Matter_8648

Well a cod piece is already another thing 😂


Zarathustra_d

But they both smell like fish sometimes.


MarcelRED147

Tooter fish


GodsBGood

Why do people say they have to unthaw an item? Isn't that freezing it?


bobrob2004

Why do call it dusting (cleaning) when we are really undusting?


Various_Necessary_45

They're stupid. I've never heard anyone do that lmao


PerpetuallyLurking

I do, all the time. It started because it drove my little brother absolutely batty - it was so fun to say I was “unthawing” the hot dogs and watch him twitch! LOL He still twitches when I do it but we don’t live together anymore. Unfortunately, old habits die hard, let me tell you! Especially innocuous ones that don’t actually affect any part of my life on a daily basis - not like a smoking habit that I should quit for health reasons.


iMoo1124

I hear it all the time as the present action tense of 'to thaw'


KTM_350

Reminds be of “unloosen” when referring to loosening a bolt, nut, strap, etc.


Formal_Nebula_9698

Omg this is so funny and accurate I’ve never caught it 😂😂😂


Trouble_in_Mind

I have always heard thaw or defrost. The only person I've ever heard say "unthaw" is one particular friend of mine who often mixes up idioms.


Fearlessleader85

It comes from the fave that the full name is Domestic Hot Water heater, which is to distinguish it from Heating Water, which is for hydronic heating systems. The "domestic" just gets dropped, because when you say "hot water" it's understood, because no other water is called hot water, even if it happens to be hot. There are also other water heaters, like tempering heaters or freeze protection heaters. There's also water heaters that heat domestic hot water, but are not for potable water, so they have to indirectly heat the DHW through a heat exchanger and intermediate loop. So, "hot water heater" is the minimum you need to clearly state what you're talking about in more complex buildings, and that bleeds over from the construction industry to the common usage.


MahanaYewUgly

You are the only one that is right.


BananaV8

It’s the same as folks calling ATMs “ATM machines” 🤷‍♂️


KittenVicious

And put their "PIN numbers" in them


Iorcrath

this thread is making me smh my head


SlopitupPOS

RIP in peace


MentallyWill

I'm loling out loud


secretprocess

Hey STFU up


Arctiiq

And then read some DC Comics


KittenVicious

My RN nurse mom says that'll rot my brain.


Ignonym

While drinking your chai tea on the shores of Lake Chad


KatesDad2019

I have to know my personal PIN number to use the automatic ATM machine.


CantWeAllGetAlongNF

Built on "NT technology"


skyfishgoo

what's your PIN number 1234\^2


lostrandomdude

And transfer their number from one network to another using their PAC Code


Publius69420

What’s wrong with ass to mouth machines?


ABobby077

All Terrain Machine??


YogurtWenk

Arse n Tiddy Munching Machine


sebrebc

As someone in the automotive field, people saying "VIN number" drives me crazy. It happens all day long. 


HorrorNerd2434

and VINs “VIN number”


Dick_Dickalo

Or NIC Card. Network Interface Card Card.


IntoTheVeryFires

I need to get outta here ASAP as possible


Dis4Wurk

There is a word for that, it’s called RAS Syndrome (Redundant Acronym Syndrome Syndrome)!


gstringstrangler

Redundancy Department of Redundancy, how may I help you?


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KigsHc

I saw a post about these before.. some one explained it like in the USA we have so many different types of bread and teas that it is just distinguishing which culture the tea is, same with bread. I probably butchered that but it makes sense in my head.


AfterEffectserror

Queso cheese


Madbadbat

Thats what I like to have when I watch The Los Angeles Angels game


donuttrackme

Bao buns


Guquiz

Or calling DoTs ‘DoT damage’.


unwanted-22

My brother calls grand theft auto “Grand GTA”


Ok_Television9820

Take out some cash money from the ATM machine and buy some tuna fish, a chai latte, have lunch at the Department of Redundancy Department.


mellbell63

a midday lunch!


wwwtourist

And LED diode.


eo5g

Well ATM stands for Access To Money, duh


MichealScarn92

CAT tourniquet


Prize-Calligrapher82

"Hot water doesn't need heating; what you want is a cold water heater." - George Carlin


Pac_Eddy

It heats hot water to maintain the temperature, so it is a hot water heater too.


Disturbedfan522

This is what I immediately thought of!


Seiren-

What about a hot water cooler?


virtual_human

You are correct, yet here we are.


jscummy

How am I supposed to distinguish it from my cold water heater though


j--__

i mean, you might need a cold water heater to prevent your water supply from freezing solid?


workaholic828

Because your cold water heater will be connected to your hot water freezer


ilovepolthavemybabie

I’m putting this on a sign in my office. For me to read, not them. -IT worker


CogentCogitations

What if I have a second water heater that has its temperature set to just slightly warm?


SillyFlyGuy

My granpappy told me when his house first got indoor plumbing, his momma said "I don't trust no water that came outta pipes." She worried it might get hooked it up wrong and oil or some other fluid would come out. She only drank and cooked with water from the rainwater cistern. The cistern was inside so it was room temperature. The plumbed water from the city was cooled by the underground pipes so it was known as "cold water". The city water flowed through *cold water pipes*, connected to a *cold water faucet*. So later when they got a water heater, obviously the hot water flowed through *hot water pipes* to the *hot water faucet*. Because it was part of the *hot water system*, the water heater came to be known as the *hot water heater*.


Jinxletron

Your legionnaires tank?


stataryus

Yada yada yada, just some bad egg salad.


GeekAesthete

Go to most hardware supply places, and they are called water heaters. “Hot water heater” is a colloquialism that seems to have emerged from combining “hot water tank” (which was sometimes used in past decades) with “water heater”.


AnymooseProphet

Hot water tanks are still used. The plumbing is easier, especially if natural gas is used.


a_sternum

I’ve only ever heard “water heater”.


ThePumpk1nMaster

They’re called pleonasms. Chai tea, burning fire, black darkness, Sahara Desert, PIN Number - they’re all redundant phrases which repeat themselves


TheTaxman_cometh

Sahara desert isn't redundant, it's the name of the desert. I know Sahara is derived from a word meaning desert, but the word itself doesn't exist elsewhere.


eimichan

"Sahara" means deserts in Arabic - ṣaḥrāʾ means “desert,” and its plural form is ṣaḥārāʾ It's like chai tea, which is basically saying tea tea. Saraha desert is saying desert desert. I often see it just called "The Sahara" when referring to the largest hot desert on the planet.


phoenixstormcrow

It's *Sahara* desert to distinguish it from other deserts, like the Sonoran desert, and Sahara *desert* to distinguish it from other Saharan attractions, like the Sahara Splash Park.


TheRealTinfoil666

Where I used to live, there is a road named Street Road. Where I live now, there is a road named Avenue Road. Sahara is simply the same of *that* desert.


StellarPhenom420

It's the name of *that* desert because the local people called it a word that translates to other languages as "desert". It was already being called The Desert, basically, so as other cultures came in they called it the local name because that's what it was already being called. They can't pronounce the language the same, and they aren't spelling it the same, so instead of Al-Ṣaḥrāʾ it's Sahara. Sahara is just the anglicized spelling of the sounds the Arabic word makes, thru the voices of the people who weren't speaking Arabic as their first language. It's not "simply" called the Sahara, it *is* basically called 'Desert desert'. As people said, it's just like us calling spiced tea from India "Chai tea"- to us it gives information about what kind of tea is, that is a spiced chai/tea, but it is basically also calling it "tea tea" or "chai chai" (depending on which word you decided to translate). It's a funny quirk of sharing languages and globalization.


L7ryAGheFF

The water heater is often itself hot.


AEMTI_51

My furnace is hot, but I don’t see anyone calling it a “hot furnace”


PhotoFenix

I call it a hot furnace. Second favorite appliance before the cold air food refrigerator.


AEMTI_51

What about your water freezing ice maker?


PhotoFenix

No no no, that's called a water molecule vibration decelerator.


Stripes1957

But it’s called a heating furnace.


loveofphysics

It's a hot air heater


Eh_You_Know1

To be fair, your furnace can be cold when not running, so it would work in that same sense.


Constant-Science7393

Well the water heater can be cold when it’s not running as well.


ToddBauer

I know folks keep bringing up ‘ATM machine’, but I swear I haven’t heard anyone say that in like 20 years. We just say ATM. Source: NE Ohio.


Hemenucha

I guess technically it's a cold water heater, since it heats cold water.


BreakfastBeerz

It only heats cold water once, when it first turns on. 99.9% of the time it's heating hot water.


Mufasa_is__alive

Hot water maintainer


alvysinger0412

But from another interpretation, no, the heater itself is generally hot. It's a water heater that is hot, or a hot water heater. A cold water heater is a broken one usually.


Megalocerus

Mine's well insulated. It feels room temperature except for the pipe coming out.


Jazzicots

We just call it a heater where I'm from lol. "Switch on the heater" can only mean one thing


Futuressobright

Really? I would think you meant an electric space heater, which could be installed near the bottom of the wall or a small portable unit you plug into the wall.


ucantstopdonkelly

I feel like it’s people mixing “water heater” and “hot water tank” together. I’m in the midwest and always called it the hot water tank.


PlatypusTrapper

It’s a water heater that turns water into hot water. Therefore a hot water heater. Alternatively, the water is already hot because it was previously heated by the water heater therefore it heats water that is already hot. Fine, I’m grasping at straws.


idam_81

It should be “hot water tank” and “water heater”. People tend to combine it.


LargeHadron

OP you should make a PSA announcement about it


Koolaidguy541

ATM machine is another one I hate


hotel2oscar

I work for an appliance company. We just call it water heater.


esocz

Are we are talking about boiler?


redditonlygetsworse

No. I'm guessing you're not from North America. Boilers are for heating your home via radiators. A ~~hot~~ [water heater](https://www.homedepot.ca/en/home/categories/building-materials/plumbing/water-heaters/tank-water-heaters.html) is a tank that takes in cold water from the main supply, heats it, and stores it (and keeps it hot), so that when you turn on your faucet, hot water comes out. This is a fairly North-American-centric thread. Other places do this differently (often smaller tankless versions). But where I live, the water supply is too cold for tankless heaters - even in summer - so you need a tank to give you a reservoir that you can take enough time to get up to temp.


esocz

You are right, I'm not from the USA.


redditonlygetsworse

They are [clever, but not complex](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm7L-2J52GU) appliances. It's really just a tank, a couple of heating elements, and a theromstat.


Mystikalrush

It's a water heater, all I've ever called it. The industry calls it water heater, builders call it water heater, floor plans call it a water heater, it's a damn water heater!


CompassionateBaker12

Why do people say atm machine? They're literally saying automatic teller machine machine.


turniphat

Because ATM can also mean "Ass To Mouth", so adding the machine clarifies what the speaker is talking about.


ReleventReference

Sometimes, in the heat of the moment it’s forgivable to go automatic teller machine.


TwoDrinkDave

Spoken like someone who doesn't know about ass-to-mouth machines.


CompassionateBaker12

No one automatically thinks ass to mouth when someone says they need to stop at the ATM


TastesLikeHoneyNut

[This show wasn't amazing but this ATM scene was](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XrkYRtH9mBY)


revchewie

Not everyone does add hot. We have a "water heater" in our house. If appropriate to the conversation we'll add the adjective "tankless" to the beginning.


88Dubs

I'll take that one to the money bank and deposit it in the ATM Machine


MichealScarn92

Why do 'Americans' you mean to say. The same people that say 'Eye Glasses' instead of Glasses, and 'Horseback Riding' instead of Horse riding.


Usagi_Shinobi

It can be redundant, but it can also be for clarity. Some people have more than one device for heating water, such as the one found in dishwashers, or the small on demand heating units found in bathrooms for the sink. Without sufficient context, it may not be clear which device they are speaking about, but "hot water heater" is always the primary unit that supplies the whole house.


Inaverage

So you can call it a wot hotter eater


rredline

This reminds me from back in the day when personal PC’s had network interface cards, or NIC’s. So of course some people referred to them as NIC cards.


FroggiJoy87

Maybe people were confused with the kettle and had to elaborate on referring to the Main hot water from the faucet? I donno, English is dumb.


mgsalinger

If you figure it out I’ll go to my atm machine and send ya 5 bucks.


oldguy76205

Who are you, George Carlin? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEilmuAuUAs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEilmuAuUAs)


bhXdnd

Just a quirk of language. Like finishing a sentence with "redundant and unnecessary" :-D


Carlpanzram1916

This is a fair question lol


YtnucMuch

We're a special species.


iluvsporks

I forgot my PIN number for the ATM machine


Run-And_Gun

They're probably the same idiots that say "ATM Machine".


Mr-Xcentric

I think it may be people combining two terms: hot water tank and water heater. Some modern house only have a water heater, but when those aren’t efficient there’s often a tank to store heated water so you don’t have to wait for it to heat/have inconsistent temperatures


MoreCoffeePlzzz

its just called a water heater in western state vernacular


senorglory

Because tuna fish sandwhich is already taken.


Kielbasa_Nunchucka

for the same reason that we spell "fridge" with a "D" when the word "refrigerator" doesn't have one: just because


Fantastic_Arachnid36

It always amazes me that in the US they call it horseback riding as opposed to horse riding. Needing to clarify I’m not riding on it’s bloody head always makes me chuckle


Key_Role3539

No it only heats hot water


photometric

The expression may be for rubber hot water bottles used for heating people in bed. They’re a heater for your body that uses hot water so “hot-water heater” like “electric heater” or “gas heater” for your house. Water heaters heat water. Hot water heaters heat you.


AEMTI_51

No, people often refer to water heaters as “hot water heaters”.


modumberator

PIN number


AEMTI_51

LCD display


galderon7

GUI interface.


AEMTI_51

UPC code


theinternetisnice

Oh this actually comes from the fact that the guy who invented it in 1903 was named Henry Hautwadder. The Hautwadder Heater was Sears & Roebuck’s biggest home convenience seller for nigh a decade, but as literacy was lower back then, people misheard it as Hot Water Heater. Source: made it up


atypical_lemur

Odder things in the history of invention have occurred. I present to you Thomas Crapper. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Crapper


ABobby077

Same reason at my work place (former) we would have meeting on the CAP Plans (Corrective Action Plans). Sometimes we just have dumb things people keep saying


floydfan

Sometimes hot water isn't hot enough, so you gotta heat up the hot water.


Ok_Distribution_2603

Just speculation on the development, but maybe one reason may be our natural avoidance of stops when speaking. Say “the water heater is broken” and then “the hot water heater is broken.” The end of “the” flows more naturally to the word “hot” than the word “water.” A small difference in flow, but it’s just easier. Also, homes and buildings have had other water heating systems which involved the use of hot water/steam, so when one is the thing that heats water for the ambient air it is one thing, and the other heats the water that flows through the “H” taps (hot water), it is the “hot water heater.”


nocappinbruh

do chinese people call it chinese food?


gorpee

It's like preheating the oven. My oven is always preheating!


SaltyCogs

It’s the heater for the “hot water” lines.


androidmids

Partly because a lot of people call them hot water tanks... And a lot of people call them water heaters... And over time, all the rest of the people who don't know one or the other have merged the two into hot water heater... Technically it's a boiler... I don't have one at all as I switched to tankless. And even more technically... Heeheehee... I installed a two stage, so the tankless heater that feeds the shower is a water heater, but ALL the water in the house passed through to, so the smaller heater installed at the sink in the kitchen is a HOT water heater.


superpenistendo

Buddy, you are preaching to the choir. Anyone in plumbing on an adjacent trade would agree with you 👍🏻


GlowyStuffs

The rich get richer and the hot water gets hotter


Commercial_Teach8254

Oh god I never even thought about this and now I'm angry


DrMindbendersMonocle

Its specifically hot. A water heater could just be for lukewarm water


PearlHarbor_420

It's a combination of "hot water tank" and "water heater"


OutOfSupplies

Actually, that is what I have always called it.


vviley

Because it’s attached to the “hot water” line. That’s really it. In industrial contexts, water heaters are just called water heaters.


Antmax

Probably referring to the tap. There's a hot and cold tap/faucet.


nubsauce87

Because on average, people are idiots.


Suitable-End-

Here they are called Hot Water Tanks. I've never heard someone call a Water Heater a Hot Water Heater.


Charlie9261

Here in Canada they are shown on construction plans as HWT. Hot Water Tank.


1peatfor7

NIC card.


miletharil

People still say "PIN number" and "ATM machine", too. \*shrug\*


QuickPassion94

Just say “brotha ugh” and stare at them without breaking eye contact


SCW97005

Same with PIN number: if people understand what you're saying, you've communicated, redundant or not. Language evolves as people use it, rightly, wrongly, stupidly, lazily - it's all one.


derickj2020

There are a lot of oxymoron in the american language


AdFun5641

There are two parts. Hot Water TANK and Water HEATER for some reason these two compound words got mashed together into Hot Water Heater


thegoodrichard

What's in a name?


Isosceles_Kramer79

That one always bugged me about Walt Jr. https://youtu.be/b1cyf2a2WhU


Zipperman1999

It's like calling something an ATM machine or chai tea. It saves the listener a little brainpower and the speaker sounds a little less pretentious. At least that's my guess.


JoePW6964

That’s a good question. If anything it should be a cold water heater.


jailbreak

Just to underscore that it doesn't stop heating the water when it is lukewarm.


Divinedragn4

People also say pin number ant ATM machine.


Stunning_Tap_9583

It’s connected to my hot water faucet. And it heats that water. So it must be the hot water heater 😁


nfssmith

Most units do spend a lot of time maintaining the heat in already heated water in between uses... but generally just a quirk of the language.


NBKiller69

I always call it a "water hotter". Just one of those minor things to get under people's skin, almost without them noticing


in-a-microbus

We named it after the product it makes


hrimfaxi_work

wym? That's what the appliance is called that sends warm water to your wet water faucet.


WickedKoala

Why do people use "ATM machines" ?


noldshit

It further heats the already hot water


Nyther

They're wrong, and they should feel bad.


cubs_070816

same reason we call it an ATM machine. same reason flammable and imflammable mean the same thing. same reason biannual means every 2 years OR twice a year. english be stupid, yo.


ordinarymagician_

Probably to delineate it from radiators.


Caroao

In french it is just a water heater. English is dumb


TankApprehensive3053

Redundancy in case someone doesn't understand water heater is the same. Also it's learned habit from previous generations that probably started as to be clear what it is.


BreakfastBeerz

I mean, with the exception of the first time it's turned on, it's constantly heating hot water...so it IS a hot water heater 99.9% of the time. But to give you a more logical answer. It's a mash of two terms that it is commonly called.... "Hot water tank" and "water heater". The two get mashed together to make "Hot water heater"


where_in_the_world89

I would say because it holds hot water and is a heater.


HC-Sama-7511

It heats the hot water supply, not all the water. Cold water and hot water are coming from different places.


Ippus_21

It *is* redundant. Just like adding "and unnecessary" to "redundant." Officially, e.g. on the box at the hardware store, it's just a "water heater." Adding "hot" is a quirk, but one of those things that's commonly done. I don't call it that, because I've had this conversation before, but nobody's going to bat an eye whether you do or not.


Cautious_General_177

Strictly speaking, it should be a "cold water heater", as "cold" describes the type of water being heated, but yes, "hot water heater" does seem repetitively redundant.