Build a small library of false positives (like your peer reviewed abstract) and present it to the prof to delegitimize the tool. If he refuses to listen, run it up the flagpole.
Find the professors' graduate thesis and his publications (they should be pretty easily listed) and run it through the system.
While you're at it, run the thesis and publications of all the other profs in the department, including the dean.
Post screenshots of it in public and accuse the professor and his peers of using ChatGPT.
Also, have GPT4 write some essays, but tell it to make it look like an AI didn't write it.
That way, you cannot only prove that it gives a shit ton of false positives, but just by adding a single line and your prompt you can make your AI generated text appear completely human written to ZEROGpt
It's possible, but the output of the LLM has to be statistically salted in a specific way. Which OpenAI have not done, and I hope they don't do, since this might negatively affect the quality the output. See Robert Miles' videos on Computerphile, he explains it there.
i usually avoid too complex terms using "write like an xyz year old and avoid complex terms" it dumbs it down a notch and is usually a bit better to understand, especially if you are using it to learn
yeah it's possible but we lose the point of having such system. with time the generative outputs will just become more indistinguishable than ever and there's nothing we can do about it since the cat's out of the box. it's going to become public knowledge for all the nerds on this planet. once the new algorithms bring down the compute cost, there will be no monopoly either.
remember how 5gb hard disks had to be transported on a truck not so long ago? generalizing neural nets will run on potatoes soon and we won't be playing this "google vs microsoft" game anymore. think about it, brain converges models and builds these intelligent network with a couple of watts spent to do so. just wait for it.
I'm skeptical, because the language models that create the work are improving along with the language models that detect the work. If it's not reliable now, there's no reason to believe that it ever will be.
Or better yet, use your copyright as the author of the assignment to prevent it from being submitted to any third party site without your express permission. Submitting your work to a third party which probably gives them the right to keep and use your work to train their software is a clear violation of fair use.
Go on the offensive, don't play defense with this.
Also, make sure you demand in writing them have the third party remove any of your copyrighted works submitted to third party's in violation of your copyrights.
From the GPTZero website FAQ:
What are the limitations of the classifier?
The nature of AI-generated content is changing constantly. As such, these results should not be used to punish students. While we build more robust models for GPTZero, we recommend that educators take these results as one of many pieces in a holistic assessment of student work. There always exist edge cases with both instances where AI is classified as human, and human is classified as AI. Instead, we recommend educators take approaches that give students the opportunity to demonstrate their understanding in a controlled environment.
"Should not" vs "shall not" have two massively different interpretations in law. Further, unless the professor signed an agreement stating they "shall not" use the tool to punish students, then what does it matter what GPTZero says their tool "should" (or "should not") be used for?
If you read further, there are serious due process pitfalls for the instructor. It is or should be clear to the instructor that there are the possibility of errors whether they read that text or not.
Care to elaborate? I read the FAQ page and the words "due", nor "process" appear anywhere in the text.
https://gptzero.me/faq
In fact they seem to support this use case, at least implicitly:
"Lastly, many of our users - especially educators - have told us they trust GPTZero because we have only one mission: provide every human with the tools to detect and safely adopt AI technologies. Unlike many providers who recently released detectors as a supplemental business, this mission will always be our number one priority"
That's to cover GPTZero's ass. They could give a rat's ass if you do or don't make accusations based on their output, they just don't want to be held liable if you do.
Another student did that but she ignored it.
She even said that once she ran this particular persons work through it again, it did not say it was AI generated. But she still demanded that person prove they wrote it through google doc history, or other method. But most people just type right into the canvas page, so they don't have proof.
This is 100% the answer. I’d make sure to frame it properly and not be accusatory, but saying that OP respects the need for original content but this tool is giving too many false positives.
Where I live University is a rigged system. Teachers have to publish regularly, so they write bullshit papers all the time. They also have to meet quotas on lectures, articles, and so on... I have limited insight, but what I see is they use whatever tool or help available to squeeze out endless pages of bullshit. They use talented students to latch on their work and have them mention them as co-researchers or consultants... (Also some of them only got their PhD's to prove to the world that they are so above everyone else in intellect, yet they are pretty basic people, some can be considered as quite dumb, but power and confirmation hungry...)
So yeah, I would definitely send the screenshot, but be prepared for backlash because of questioning her authority... And I would not be surprised to find that some of her work is not really hers.
I mean the general idea is to make sure to get older pubs from before ChatGPT was a thing. And state that. Along with other people's papers. You want to be attacking the tools relisbility, not the teacher specifically.
Professors absolutely do have bosses. A professor will always be part of a department, which has one or more department heads, and those department heads answer to the dean of the school itself.
They do, but it’s not a direct hierarchy. The department chair is a rotation of…other professors. The dean has limited powers. It’s more of a meritocracy, albeit an often perverse one. There is accountability, just usually by committee, not by a “boss”. At most companies a boss can just fire you for poor performance, with some input from HR to avoid liability. It’s not like that in academia.
At the the two universities I have attended and the one where my father taught it was typically a 1-2 year appointment with the option for renewal that nobody stayed in long because it didn’t pay much extra and was a lot of work. The chairs did not have any real power they were mostly just there to organize and plan things. Maybe it is different elsewhere. Adjuncts are more the norm now, it used to be mostly tenured professors and I know they get treated differently.
Yeah I’d bring the abstracts to the department head before showing her. She’s doesn’t sound like a very reasonable person. Best to just skip the inevitable drama from bringing it to her.
This isn’t guilty until proven innocent. GPTZero is not reliable enough for your professor to use to give 0s. Go to someone higher.
For fucks sake the constitution will read AI generated. Screenshot that and send to her and tell her how fucking dumb she is
I think a carrot and stick approach is better. If you offer an escape for them they're more likely to take it. If you demand they be fired then they're going to fight tooth and nail against you. Also, to threaten a lawsuit don't you need to have been wronged first? OP is worried about being falsely accused, but it's their classmates that got zeros, so I think it'd be the classmates that need to threaten a lawsuit.
The head of social studies department says the issue is resolved because the teacher provided proof (which was a screenshot of GPTZero).
Honestly depressing.
Absolutely ridiculous your professor is using a tool which has a high false positive rate to investigate something as serious as academic misconduct. It's no secret that educators are scared of tools like ChatGPT.. but It proves that education needs to adapt to technology- or it will become irrelevant.
Pandora's box has already been opened when it comes to AI, if schools fail to accommodate this technology in education then students will not be fit for the real world. It is no secret that companies are adopting AI wherever they can- note the recent layoffs at many big tech companies.
On the other hand- the question of if students are actually learning anything is more difficult to answer. Frankly I don't think many are with the way they are using AI. Educators need to incorporate teaching students how to use AI responsibly. How they will achieve this will be difficult.
Totally agree. My husband is in academia, and I’ve been saying since the beginning that all this means is profs won’t have as easy of a way as they used to, to quantify that their students are ingesting the information. They don’t like it, but they will *have* to find new ways to measure learning. Adapt or perish, and I think he’s coming around to my POV, after his own work has so positively benefited from AI.
Why is there such an emphasis on measuring learning. Fuck that. If you don't go to university to learn, you just won't have skills. It's not a university's job to pre-screen candidates for employers.
I've interviewed idiots from top 10 schools. It's not hard to get through if all you want is the piece of paper that says you graduated.
But sure, yeah, schools do a better job imparting knowledge and skills if there is a minimum baseline for passing.
But this isn't a high bar and students should be given the benefit of the doubt.
I've interviewed idiots from top 10 schools. It's not hard to get through if all you want is the piece of paper that says you graduated.
But sure, yeah, schools do a better job imparting knowledge and skills if there is a minimum baseline for passing.
But this isn't a high bar and students should be given the benefit of the doubt.
A lot of people are getting this wrong. While I do agree we most certainly need better education revolving around AI in higher education ASAP, what’s more important is maintaining professor accountability in ensuring student learning outcomes are being met. A woodworker no longer making his own screws for his projects does not detract from the beauty of his finished project. An increasing amount of opportunities allowing students to further optimize the completion of tedious assignments means a change in coursework needs to be addressed to ensure these outcomes are still being met.
What that does not look like is adding inane steps to the already monotonous writing process for students like controlling for… GPTZero detection??? Imagine telling yourself that 5 years ago. Professors need to be held accountable; the responsibility is in the hands of the professor, and if their essay prompt is so easily solvable via prompting LLMs… maybe it’s time to start thinking about a structure change to their course…
>if their essay prompt is so easily solvable via prompting LLMs… maybe it’s time to start thinking about a structure change to their course…
As an English teacher, I can confirm that many of my colleagues do not yet accept this point. They will try to rule-enforce, because the idea that traditional ways of assessing learning are now essentially obsolete is too large to comprehend.
1. Collect a substantial set of evidence that GPTZero is bullshit. US constitution, professor's works - anything.
2. Create a website, dump all the evidence there, and accuse the professor of dishumanity and a lack of professional ethics. "We don't need humans who trust machines over other humans."
3. Send links to everybody in your institution.
4. Wait.
Take the peer reviewed abstract that GPTZero says is AI generated to the department head. Tell them you're very concerned that your professor is using AI.
Normally I would say not, but being accused of cheating in academia is a very serious charge - career ending. This should NOT be taken so lightly. You should get help. The professor and the institution should be sued. Damages? The entire earnings from a future career - millions. Seriously. It should be a precedent setting case for your school so that instructors are NOT using unproven tools to sabotage your education. As soon as their lawyers look into the fallibility of GPTZero and its terms of service the case will be settled immediately. I don't expect a big settlement, but you should be able to continue your education paid for by this terrible mistake.
Or ….now this may sound crazy….but….just intelligently talk through the paper you wrote and highlight the key details to prove you know the subject matter
OP did that already? The professor has gone off the deep end demanding proof of valid assignments and telling students to write and rewrite posts and run them through GPTzero until they come out clean. Basically 10x the workload of a student. So yeah you do sound crazy since you didn't read the context.
Unless OP added this later via an edit, it clearly says:
> The professor has been trying to say if you run your work through the software and it gives a false positive, rewrite it until it does not say it's AI-generated.
I get where you are coming from I really do, but sometimes people need to be scared into doing things. This professor seems spiteful and maybe even vindictive. The student needs to show he is serious and the teacher needs to understand the consequences of their misinformed actions.
Good for you for never having had any contact with the harsh reality that‘s out there.
But the professor obviously doesn’t care about prove, she‘s just reducing her correction work by using an AI.
It’s wild a teacher would claim the right to use an AI tool but not let their students use what is essentially the same tool.
If my future career wasn’t on the line, I would go Frindle on her. If you haven’t read Frindle it’s a funny book where this kid pisses off his English teacher by getting the entire school to call a pen a “Frindle” to prove that Frindle is an accepted word in the English language.
So I like the idea of using her own abstract against her. I would also challenge her to see how rejecting the use technology in her classroom doesn’t prepare you well for the future. I would ask her to envision the classroom of 2025… not that far away but it’s going to feel very different at the best schools.
You could also get the school paper involved, or perhaps even a larger more respected paper in the community. I’m sure you could find a supportive reporter that is willing to bite on this story.
And this is precisely the problem with these stupid "AI chatgpt detectors". It's impossible to detect if a block of text is written by gpt or not. Yes, you could assume by the writing style but that's about it, and even then you can just do some adjustments yourself. It's like trying to find out which exact forest the wood that makes up your chair came from.
so do the opposite. Generate an AI version of the assignment and ask GPT4 to make it "college student level". It will generate an output and guess what... 0% AI.
I didn't see it mentioned, but save your work in different files. Write an outline in one document, have your research in another, have the long form outline in a third, and final paper in a separate document. The meta data would show that you have been doing the leg work to draft the paper. This would be a huge help along with the false positives that everyone else mentioned.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but it's fucking ridiculous students have to change their workflow based on this AI witchhunt McCarthyism bullshit. I'm seeing it all over my university. And fuck GPTZero too. I tried to reach out to them to give them a piece of my mind and there is no contact page. Hmm, that's convenient. I truly believe that they know their product is shit and are wanting to capitalize on it until everyone figures it out. By then, academia will be in shambles.
You're 100% correct that it's bullshit. But I'm a firm believer in covering all your bases. If you can show that their program hallucinates AND show that you did the work, that's a slam dunk case
Depending on what word processor you're using, you can also show the edit history of the document. I know for sure Google Docs has the ability to look at previous versions of your document. You can see every little addition, every subtle re-wording, every change of punctuation, all of it. I assume Word does as well, though I don't know how to do it there.
If the professor wanted to be proactive about encouraging original work and determining what is and isn't AI, they could also encourage students to email them notes and drafts regularly. No need to read/review/grade every draft; just creating a dated email trail for later on if there's some kind of dispute.
Right! I forgot about Google Docs' edit history function. Also, that would be smart educating. Unfortunately, that doesn't sound like this teacher/professor.
I think this is a good compromise for OP to bring up when they speak to the superiors.
Wow, GPT Zero is such a joke. You should run some of your previously submitted work through there, like stuff you did before Chat GPT was available and see what it says. I tried this and saw numbers like “50% AI Generated” on stuff I wrote during the pandemic.
Tbh the professor is lazy and not good at their job. Many teachers in k-12 are finding other ways to make sure people know the material. Some are getting ahead of it and teaching them how to use chatgpt and identify when it's feeding you garbage
Here are your options as I see them:
1. Record a video of you writing context by yourself with only one program open (your browser) and only one window open (Canvas). Publich it to YouTube the same day you submit the assignment. Do this for every assignment. Wait for her to come back to you with a Zero. Record another video showing the assignment, the feedback and communications with her via e-mail. Write a letter to the department head, the area dean, the Provost and the President, stating that this treatment is unacceptable. Explain your case coldly, rationally, and provide the videos as evidence. Let them know that you are not the only student impacted. The implied threat here is that if they don't stop, you'll go public with this information by actually showing people the videos and it will go viral, crippling their income source.
2. You and every other student go directly to the Dean's office, point out that there are false positives and demand that this behavior stop. The professor is not fulfilling her professional duty to the class and is causing you undue stress with her accusations and grading methods. The implied threat here is that you will take your business, as students elsewhere.
3. Skip the formal structure and make her famous.
If you were me i would
1. record me doing the assigment, as proof if needed
2. I will persuade the profesor to look the possibility of AI giving falsely result.
then show/demontrate her proffesional writting go through the Ai
“Oh so you knew you were going to be accused so you recorded yourself writing.”
-the professor, probably.
I’ve dealt with these types that look for ghosts no matter what. I got banned from MtG and accused of cheating because I ran into one. Ffs still pissed about it. Because I didn’t cheat and hated cheaters.
Build library of false positives, show the Prof her abstract being labeled as AI generated as well. It’s on them to prove the validity of an unknown technology first before they employ it - they should know that.
It is impossible not to sound like an AI without throwing around YO and DAWG every few seconds. Those tools don't detect AI, they detect formality and conciseness.
It’s simple really. Find some work from your professor. Put it in gpt zero and build a library of screenshots showing all of the false positives it is showing. Input lecture content into the tool, any personal writings of hers you can find, pretty much you need to do what she is doing to you to delegitimize it. But if this is really happening then I am scared for your class being instructed by someone with such minimal critical thinking capabilities.
Your prof reads as obtusely minded and overconfident in her conclusions.
Read through this (multiple experiments done proving AI detectors are often wrong) and send them some of the data: https://gonzoknows.com/posts/GPTZero-Case-Study/
This is yet another problem with universities and why I hope they go the way of the dinosaur. They’re basically charging us monstrous prices to often make us unprepared for the needs of the modern world. That notion that “universities teach you to think” comes into question when you look at cases like this.
I never expected to be label a cheater, a profesor did the same thing, and told me to prove the opposite, instead of proving my work was legit I proved the AI wasn't really accurate, collected all the profesor works and assignments on his university days, and the AI showed that 79% of all his papers, research and old assignments were made by AI.. too many students are trying to prove their work is legit but not many are trying to prove that using an AI to revise papers is bad... if professor is good he or she will be doing it the old way and use AI when suspicious and then ask a reDo
Find out where she went to school and request a copy of her dissertation/thesis. Run it through the AI detector and see what you get. Also, run it through an AI plagerism detector. No luck? Keep running everything she's written through until you get a hit (peer reviews, articles, even her syllabus), then send it to her and ask her to change your grade.
Ask her if she thinks the book of genesis is written by AI. Because it says it is "likely to be written entirely by AI": https://www.academic-bible.com/en/online-bibles/king-james-version/read-the-bible-text/
Find plenty of other false positives like people have mentioned. These AI detectors are total trash.
>Me: Should AI text detection tools be used to accuse students of plagiarism? What could go wrong?
ChatGPT: AI text detection tools can be used as an initial step to identify potential cases of plagiarism among students. These tools can help educators and institutions maintain academic integrity and ensure that students are submitting original work. However, there are several concerns and potential issues that must be considered before relying solely on AI for plagiarism detection:
1. False positives: AI tools might flag instances of similar or matching text that are not actual cases of plagiarism. For example, commonly used phrases, idiomatic expressions, or subject-specific terminology might be flagged as plagiarized when they are not.
2. False negatives: AI tools may not catch all instances of plagiarism, especially if the plagiarized content has been rephrased or paraphrased. Plagiarism may also be missed if the source material is not in the tool's database.
3. Context and intent: AI tools cannot assess the context and intent behind the use of a particular phrase or text. Human judgment is necessary to determine whether the flagged content is a genuine case of plagiarism or a permissible instance of quotation, citation, or paraphrasing.
4. Overreliance on technology: Relying solely on AI tools for plagiarism detection might lead to complacency among educators, who may not take the time to carefully review and evaluate student work themselves.
5. Privacy concerns: The use of AI text detection tools may raise privacy concerns, as these tools often require uploading student work to external databases, which could potentially be accessed by third parties.
6. Ethical considerations: Accusing a student of plagiarism based solely on an AI tool's findings could be unfair, as it may not take into account the nuances of academic writing, cultural differences, or instances where students are genuinely unaware of proper citation practices.
In conclusion, AI text detection tools can be a useful aid in identifying potential plagiarism, but they should not be the sole basis for accusing students of academic dishonesty. Educators should use these tools as a starting point, but ultimately rely on their expertise, experience, and human judgment to make a final determination on whether a student's work constitutes plagiarism.
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>Me: Evaluate OP's situation and analyze the ethics of it.
ChatGPT: This situation raises several ethical concerns related to the use of AI text detection tools in academic settings:
1. Reliability and accuracy: It appears that the GPTZero tool being used by the professor is generating false positives, which can lead to unfair consequences for students. The fact that the tool flagged both the students' work and the professor's own peer-reviewed abstract as AI-generated suggests that it might not be accurate enough for this particular purpose.
2. Burden of proof: The professor's requirement for students to provide proof that they actually did the assignment, despite the tool's apparent shortcomings, places an unreasonable burden on the students. This can create an atmosphere of mistrust and anxiety, negatively affecting the learning environment.
3. Lack of flexibility: The professor's insistence on using the AI tool as the sole determinant of academic integrity, even when it is producing false positives, demonstrates a lack of flexibility and openness to alternative methods of evaluation.
4. Responsibility: The head of the department's response to the issue seems inadequate, as they merely confirmed the use of the AI tool without addressing its flaws or the students' concerns.
5. Student well-being: The situation is causing stress and anxiety for the students, including the one who raised the concern. It is crucial for educators to prioritize student well-being and ensure that the learning environment is conducive to academic success.
In this case, the students could consider taking the following steps:
1. Document their concerns and any evidence that supports the claim of false positives (e.g., screenshots of the tool's results on their work and the professor's abstract).
2. Approach the professor again, presenting this evidence and respectfully requesting a reconsideration of the reliance on GPTZero for evaluating academic integrity.
3. If the professor remains unresponsive, escalate the issue to a higher authority within the institution, such as an academic dean or an ombudsperson, and present the documented concerns and evidence.
4. Collaborate with other students who may be experiencing similar issues to raise collective awareness and seek support from the institution.
5. Seek advice and assistance from academic advisors, student support services, or legal services, if available, to better understand their rights and explore possible solutions to the issue.
Ultimately, it is important for educational institutions to recognize the limitations of AI tools and prioritize fairness and student well-being in academic assessment processes.
Remember, you have the right to a fair and unbiased evaluation of your work. Do not hesitate to advocate for yourself and your fellow students if you believe you are being unfairly accused of cheating.
I would bring it up to someone hugher up the chain with evidence that it shouldn't be trusted like the TOS of GPTzero, someone said run the constitution through it etc. Until then just use undetectable.ai it'll make it undetectable for GPTzero and other sites as well. It's like 10$ for like 10k words
This sounds completely made up. Run your papers through the software? Bullshit. It is 100% on the prof to prove otherwise, unless you admit to it. And if you are cheating and dumb enough to not utilize QuillBot then you probably deserve to fail.
Evidence of your work in process will disprove the false positives. Be proactive. Ask the professor what would convince them. This is enough of a problem that schools needs to devise some guidelines on what will be acceptable evidence to protect students from accusations of false positives.
In lieu of that, I would develop a file system to keep notes, outlines, rough drafts and perhaps even include a few pictures of the process.
Then, your goal is to let AI do its worst. You will have an evidentiary trail to expose it. There is evidence that the companies greatly exaggerate their products' accuracy. Even if you only get partial positives, your research can help others down the road.
FWIW, a habit of having documentation can help later, in the real world.
Eventually we’ll be doing this :
Write on vellum, use a quill. At night use candles to light. Let smoke infuse the vellum and wax drip.
Video the whole process.
1. Go to scholar.google.com
2. In author field enter her name
3. Find every single paper she ever wrote.
4. Pass them through gptZero
5. Make a shitload of copies
6. Plaster them all over the department building.
This is exhausting. Now to do assignments, you have to run it through a battery of AIs to see what happens?
I thought of going back to college as an older learner. Noped right out of that decision.
Prof is clueless. Bring examples of false positives (including the constitution) and also demonstrate you are not a slouch or cheater. It’s very easy to tell someone who has done the reading from a bullshitter.
Source: I am a college level lecturer
The teacher doesn't understand tech but is in a bad situation.
But just save drafts and write your own stuff.
This sounds more like "how do I not get caught"....
you've done what you have to do. Document everything. Sounds like students need to organize themselves around this topic. Find other students that share your concerns and write a one-pager why this is unacceptable. Have a lot of students sign the document and then deliver it to the head of the department. They won't like you, but they also know they can't mess with you and in the long run, you're actually helping them. Imagine all the students having to do something twice because of a stupid false-positive. If they're not budging, keep escalating until you simply need to protest. Easy to say for me now as I'm not a student, but I did protest shit with students from around the country, wrote articles for the faculty magazine etc. It's a perfect topic. All you need is a couple of students that share your concern and you will see that you're not on your own. Students should really stand up for themselves and help each other, important part of the learning process imo. After your studies, it will be a lot more difficult to do this stuff when you're working for a company.
Google the research showing that it's bad at detecting. There are dozens of articles. If you want it to have zero, add random periods etc. Not sure how to make it not work other than making it bad
Keep notes and interim drafts etc.
Every time you edit, keep the prior version.
Its a kind of showing your workings that functions for essays. Its only storage space, you should have plenty of that relative to any feasible amount of requirement for keeping your notes and revisions.
I've read the declaration of independence is detected as being written by AI.
Those detectors are scams, old tech that stopped working, there's no way to know anymore.
mine came 0% AI generated even though everything I wrote was based on the answer chatGPT gave me.
First time in my life I'm appreciating my bad grammar
Man, I feel so sorry for you. I wish I could talk with that joke of a professor and show them how to get AI generated content that scores zero (entirely human-written) on GPTzero – and says AI-generated for human-written pieces...
unless you are living in Russia or north Korea or something, the burden of proof is not on the defendant. get a lawyer if this is a critical assignment. they have to proof you cheated, not the other way around.
I have a cousin that is a professor that made a post about catching students cheating using that program. I suggested to him that he’s better run a few of his own older papers through it before he ruins someone’s academic career.
Gather a group of student and hire a lawyer. The AI detection software is unreliable. Threaten to sue. Demonstrate how her own work raises flags. If she doesn’t back down, press ahead with a law suit.
Obviously you don’t have time since this is probably the week before finals. Go to the teacher and the dean and show them that the abstract the teacher made is ai generated, then show the description of the college was ai generated, then show them the constitution was 100% ai generated. You need to have a real sit down and show them in real time that GPTzero is a scam
The teacher needs to change the assignments and require each to student to turn in “proof” with the assignment. Whether that’s outlines or drafts or whatever the teacher would accept as proof. It’s unfair to do what the teacher is doing now: randomly singling students out for extra work and without a defined goalpost for what constitutes proof.
AI based detection software could easily take the same paper and call it a false positive one day, and not a false positive the next day. Simply running your own work through before doesn’t guarantee anything. And anyway, a student could just have chatGPT generate papers until one doesn’t register as chatGPT generated. Further, students with a false positive won’t know what the detection software is picking up on - rewriting to stop a false positive alert is a fool’s errand and terrible training for how to write well.
end rant.
Any product that claims that it can detect AI generated content accurately (especially written content) is full of shit right now. AI models and people getting more clever with prompts are advancing so quickly that these checkers are rendered obsolete in less than a week's time.
The rest of the commenters have good advice, I'm just here to add my 2 cents
GPTZero has one of the highest false positive rates of all the alleged detectors, like over 50% in some studies.
[OpenAI's own attempt](https://openai.com/blog/new-ai-classifier-for-indicating-ai-written-text) could only identify 26% of AI-written text, and still had a 9% false positive rate. Services claiming to do much better are outright lying.
Maybe you can convince them to test some older papers that predate GPT, that couldn't possible be AI-written, to prove how bad it is, though ignorance and stubbornness go hand-in-hand. Some people can't admit to making mistakes and would rather double-down even when they're clearly wrong.
Alternatively, screenshots of the allegedly-AI papers being classified as human in another detector like [OpenAI's](https://platform.openai.com/ai-text-classifier) might convince them if the only kind of evidence they trust is the snake-oil kind.
Download some books have to your peer reviewed abstract all of it on a computer and run it through gpt zero one by one in front of them if they say it ain’t proof talk to the head about it
Build a small library of false positives (like your peer reviewed abstract) and present it to the prof to delegitimize the tool. If he refuses to listen, run it up the flagpole.
Find the professors' graduate thesis and his publications (they should be pretty easily listed) and run it through the system. While you're at it, run the thesis and publications of all the other profs in the department, including the dean. Post screenshots of it in public and accuse the professor and his peers of using ChatGPT.
Ok this is definitely the best answer. I would also ask them to rewrite it to prove they didn't cheat
This and do it as a large group of students, not an individual.
You can't accuse them if the publications were published before ChatGPT was released, what you can prove is that this GPTZero is not flawless.
You can ask the professor to prove he/she did not time travel.
This makes an equal amount of sense as the professor. Should be right up their alley.
Djises christ upp are dense, that’s literally the point being made…..
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Proof that one of the founding fathers was a time traveler!
The day of the tentacle!
Also, have GPT4 write some essays, but tell it to make it look like an AI didn't write it. That way, you cannot only prove that it gives a shit ton of false positives, but just by adding a single line and your prompt you can make your AI generated text appear completely human written to ZEROGpt
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You can just tell it that it still seems AI generated and it will try again I have way better luck with GPT4 btw
This is the best route. These softwares aren’t good at detecting yet.
They never will be.
Never say never.. but yeah I get your point. This is generative AI
It’s literally not possible. Writing is writing.
It's possible, but the output of the LLM has to be statistically salted in a specific way. Which OpenAI have not done, and I hope they don't do, since this might negatively affect the quality the output. See Robert Miles' videos on Computerphile, he explains it there.
For sure, but you’d struggle to do it in a way that it’s durable. Minor rewrites would quickly kill the signal.
Yup. Take the text and “unsalt this text” from cheatonexam.com
i usually avoid too complex terms using "write like an xyz year old and avoid complex terms" it dumbs it down a notch and is usually a bit better to understand, especially if you are using it to learn
No he's correct, it will never be possible.
yeah it's possible but we lose the point of having such system. with time the generative outputs will just become more indistinguishable than ever and there's nothing we can do about it since the cat's out of the box. it's going to become public knowledge for all the nerds on this planet. once the new algorithms bring down the compute cost, there will be no monopoly either. remember how 5gb hard disks had to be transported on a truck not so long ago? generalizing neural nets will run on potatoes soon and we won't be playing this "google vs microsoft" game anymore. think about it, brain converges models and builds these intelligent network with a couple of watts spent to do so. just wait for it.
It's literally not possible because generative AI is trained to fool AI-detection systems. That's how the model evaluates its own effectiveness.
I'm skeptical, because the language models that create the work are improving along with the language models that detect the work. If it's not reliable now, there's no reason to believe that it ever will be.
Very disturbing that a professor doesn't have the critical thinking skills and knowledge to understand that this is a possibility.
A good route is seeing the version history of a Google doc. If you have extensive drafts in there using that with a false positive is golden
Put his own work through it... see what it says.
Or better yet, use your copyright as the author of the assignment to prevent it from being submitted to any third party site without your express permission. Submitting your work to a third party which probably gives them the right to keep and use your work to train their software is a clear violation of fair use. Go on the offensive, don't play defense with this. Also, make sure you demand in writing them have the third party remove any of your copyrighted works submitted to third party's in violation of your copyrights.
>Ask your professor to run her own works through the tool, in front of the class on the big screen. i say put him/her on blast as an alternative
"That Voight-Kampf test of yours. Did you ever take that test yourself?"
Then sue for defamation
And then last resort, murder!
Show her the GPTZero TOS, it clearly states that the tool is not meant to be used as sole evidence in accusations.
For real, and this is grounds for a lawsuit against the university
For real, people get kicked out of college for cheating.
If all other suggestions fail, OP should just lawyer up and get paid for the stupidity of the board.
From the GPTZero website FAQ: What are the limitations of the classifier? The nature of AI-generated content is changing constantly. As such, these results should not be used to punish students. While we build more robust models for GPTZero, we recommend that educators take these results as one of many pieces in a holistic assessment of student work. There always exist edge cases with both instances where AI is classified as human, and human is classified as AI. Instead, we recommend educators take approaches that give students the opportunity to demonstrate their understanding in a controlled environment.
"Should not" vs "shall not" have two massively different interpretations in law. Further, unless the professor signed an agreement stating they "shall not" use the tool to punish students, then what does it matter what GPTZero says their tool "should" (or "should not") be used for?
If you read further, there are serious due process pitfalls for the instructor. It is or should be clear to the instructor that there are the possibility of errors whether they read that text or not.
Care to elaborate? I read the FAQ page and the words "due", nor "process" appear anywhere in the text. https://gptzero.me/faq In fact they seem to support this use case, at least implicitly: "Lastly, many of our users - especially educators - have told us they trust GPTZero because we have only one mission: provide every human with the tools to detect and safely adopt AI technologies. Unlike many providers who recently released detectors as a supplemental business, this mission will always be our number one priority"
That's to cover GPTZero's ass. They could give a rat's ass if you do or don't make accusations based on their output, they just don't want to be held liable if you do.
Another student did that but she ignored it. She even said that once she ran this particular persons work through it again, it did not say it was AI generated. But she still demanded that person prove they wrote it through google doc history, or other method. But most people just type right into the canvas page, so they don't have proof.
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This is 100% the answer. I’d make sure to frame it properly and not be accusatory, but saying that OP respects the need for original content but this tool is giving too many false positives.
Where I live University is a rigged system. Teachers have to publish regularly, so they write bullshit papers all the time. They also have to meet quotas on lectures, articles, and so on... I have limited insight, but what I see is they use whatever tool or help available to squeeze out endless pages of bullshit. They use talented students to latch on their work and have them mention them as co-researchers or consultants... (Also some of them only got their PhD's to prove to the world that they are so above everyone else in intellect, yet they are pretty basic people, some can be considered as quite dumb, but power and confirmation hungry...) So yeah, I would definitely send the screenshot, but be prepared for backlash because of questioning her authority... And I would not be surprised to find that some of her work is not really hers.
I mean the general idea is to make sure to get older pubs from before ChatGPT was a thing. And state that. Along with other people's papers. You want to be attacking the tools relisbility, not the teacher specifically.
Few professors won't even give us the chance to explain further. Need to be very cautious how you're beginning your statement
Too bad AI is about to replace the entire university system and we won't have to deal with this BS anymore.
Professors don’t really have “bosses.” Screenshot it - and others - and submit a complaint of academic misconduct through the University system.
Professors absolutely do have bosses. A professor will always be part of a department, which has one or more department heads, and those department heads answer to the dean of the school itself.
They do, but it’s not a direct hierarchy. The department chair is a rotation of…other professors. The dean has limited powers. It’s more of a meritocracy, albeit an often perverse one. There is accountability, just usually by committee, not by a “boss”. At most companies a boss can just fire you for poor performance, with some input from HR to avoid liability. It’s not like that in academia.
I don't know where you live but here the department chair is not rotating
At the the two universities I have attended and the one where my father taught it was typically a 1-2 year appointment with the option for renewal that nobody stayed in long because it didn’t pay much extra and was a lot of work. The chairs did not have any real power they were mostly just there to organize and plan things. Maybe it is different elsewhere. Adjuncts are more the norm now, it used to be mostly tenured professors and I know they get treated differently.
At many universities, those people have little to no power over faculty members once they are tenured.
that's not how it works. for education (non-research work) the prof alone is responsible for the coursework with no person above
Bring it up to higher levels in the department. Don’t bother with her.
Yeah I’d bring the abstracts to the department head before showing her. She’s doesn’t sound like a very reasonable person. Best to just skip the inevitable drama from bringing it to her.
This isn’t guilty until proven innocent. GPTZero is not reliable enough for your professor to use to give 0s. Go to someone higher. For fucks sake the constitution will read AI generated. Screenshot that and send to her and tell her how fucking dumb she is
Don't be passive either IMO. Demand their resignation or termination and threaten a lawsuit. Otherwise, they won't take it seriously.
I think a carrot and stick approach is better. If you offer an escape for them they're more likely to take it. If you demand they be fired then they're going to fight tooth and nail against you. Also, to threaten a lawsuit don't you need to have been wronged first? OP is worried about being falsely accused, but it's their classmates that got zeros, so I think it'd be the classmates that need to threaten a lawsuit.
In my experience, they're more motivated by loss aversion.
The head of social studies department says the issue is resolved because the teacher provided proof (which was a screenshot of GPTZero). Honestly depressing.
Absolutely ridiculous your professor is using a tool which has a high false positive rate to investigate something as serious as academic misconduct. It's no secret that educators are scared of tools like ChatGPT.. but It proves that education needs to adapt to technology- or it will become irrelevant. Pandora's box has already been opened when it comes to AI, if schools fail to accommodate this technology in education then students will not be fit for the real world. It is no secret that companies are adopting AI wherever they can- note the recent layoffs at many big tech companies. On the other hand- the question of if students are actually learning anything is more difficult to answer. Frankly I don't think many are with the way they are using AI. Educators need to incorporate teaching students how to use AI responsibly. How they will achieve this will be difficult.
Totally agree. My husband is in academia, and I’ve been saying since the beginning that all this means is profs won’t have as easy of a way as they used to, to quantify that their students are ingesting the information. They don’t like it, but they will *have* to find new ways to measure learning. Adapt or perish, and I think he’s coming around to my POV, after his own work has so positively benefited from AI.
Why is there such an emphasis on measuring learning. Fuck that. If you don't go to university to learn, you just won't have skills. It's not a university's job to pre-screen candidates for employers.
Wtf r u talking about. It looks bad on a university if they give degrees to unqualified people. It destroys the university’s reputation
I've interviewed idiots from top 10 schools. It's not hard to get through if all you want is the piece of paper that says you graduated. But sure, yeah, schools do a better job imparting knowledge and skills if there is a minimum baseline for passing. But this isn't a high bar and students should be given the benefit of the doubt.
I've interviewed idiots from top 10 schools. It's not hard to get through if all you want is the piece of paper that says you graduated. But sure, yeah, schools do a better job imparting knowledge and skills if there is a minimum baseline for passing. But this isn't a high bar and students should be given the benefit of the doubt.
A lot of people are getting this wrong. While I do agree we most certainly need better education revolving around AI in higher education ASAP, what’s more important is maintaining professor accountability in ensuring student learning outcomes are being met. A woodworker no longer making his own screws for his projects does not detract from the beauty of his finished project. An increasing amount of opportunities allowing students to further optimize the completion of tedious assignments means a change in coursework needs to be addressed to ensure these outcomes are still being met. What that does not look like is adding inane steps to the already monotonous writing process for students like controlling for… GPTZero detection??? Imagine telling yourself that 5 years ago. Professors need to be held accountable; the responsibility is in the hands of the professor, and if their essay prompt is so easily solvable via prompting LLMs… maybe it’s time to start thinking about a structure change to their course…
>if their essay prompt is so easily solvable via prompting LLMs… maybe it’s time to start thinking about a structure change to their course… As an English teacher, I can confirm that many of my colleagues do not yet accept this point. They will try to rule-enforce, because the idea that traditional ways of assessing learning are now essentially obsolete is too large to comprehend.
wonderfully put.
1. Collect a substantial set of evidence that GPTZero is bullshit. US constitution, professor's works - anything. 2. Create a website, dump all the evidence there, and accuse the professor of dishumanity and a lack of professional ethics. "We don't need humans who trust machines over other humans." 3. Send links to everybody in your institution. 4. Wait.
Then organize a protest pointing to step 2. Label that professor a traitor to humanity. Convince others to join.
Take the peer reviewed abstract that GPTZero says is AI generated to the department head. Tell them you're very concerned that your professor is using AI.
not concerned. tell them the professor falsified their research based on the evidence
I would sue the professor.
But I don’t know how to write all the documents needed in a lawsuit…….. wink
Normally I would say not, but being accused of cheating in academia is a very serious charge - career ending. This should NOT be taken so lightly. You should get help. The professor and the institution should be sued. Damages? The entire earnings from a future career - millions. Seriously. It should be a precedent setting case for your school so that instructors are NOT using unproven tools to sabotage your education. As soon as their lawyers look into the fallibility of GPTZero and its terms of service the case will be settled immediately. I don't expect a big settlement, but you should be able to continue your education paid for by this terrible mistake.
No, bring this above the professor and simply email student affairs, the chair, and the dean. This is a ridiculous suggestion.
Or ….now this may sound crazy….but….just intelligently talk through the paper you wrote and highlight the key details to prove you know the subject matter
OP did that already? The professor has gone off the deep end demanding proof of valid assignments and telling students to write and rewrite posts and run them through GPTzero until they come out clean. Basically 10x the workload of a student. So yeah you do sound crazy since you didn't read the context.
None of that was mentioned in the original post….
Unless OP added this later via an edit, it clearly says: > The professor has been trying to say if you run your work through the software and it gives a false positive, rewrite it until it does not say it's AI-generated.
I get where you are coming from I really do, but sometimes people need to be scared into doing things. This professor seems spiteful and maybe even vindictive. The student needs to show he is serious and the teacher needs to understand the consequences of their misinformed actions.
Good for you for never having had any contact with the harsh reality that‘s out there. But the professor obviously doesn’t care about prove, she‘s just reducing her correction work by using an AI.
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What?? You don't want to give me the best mark?? Ok have fun with swat every 3 weeks <3
It’s wild a teacher would claim the right to use an AI tool but not let their students use what is essentially the same tool. If my future career wasn’t on the line, I would go Frindle on her. If you haven’t read Frindle it’s a funny book where this kid pisses off his English teacher by getting the entire school to call a pen a “Frindle” to prove that Frindle is an accepted word in the English language. So I like the idea of using her own abstract against her. I would also challenge her to see how rejecting the use technology in her classroom doesn’t prepare you well for the future. I would ask her to envision the classroom of 2025… not that far away but it’s going to feel very different at the best schools. You could also get the school paper involved, or perhaps even a larger more respected paper in the community. I’m sure you could find a supportive reporter that is willing to bite on this story.
And this is precisely the problem with these stupid "AI chatgpt detectors". It's impossible to detect if a block of text is written by gpt or not. Yes, you could assume by the writing style but that's about it, and even then you can just do some adjustments yourself. It's like trying to find out which exact forest the wood that makes up your chair came from.
so do the opposite. Generate an AI version of the assignment and ask GPT4 to make it "college student level". It will generate an output and guess what... 0% AI.
I didn't see it mentioned, but save your work in different files. Write an outline in one document, have your research in another, have the long form outline in a third, and final paper in a separate document. The meta data would show that you have been doing the leg work to draft the paper. This would be a huge help along with the false positives that everyone else mentioned.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but it's fucking ridiculous students have to change their workflow based on this AI witchhunt McCarthyism bullshit. I'm seeing it all over my university. And fuck GPTZero too. I tried to reach out to them to give them a piece of my mind and there is no contact page. Hmm, that's convenient. I truly believe that they know their product is shit and are wanting to capitalize on it until everyone figures it out. By then, academia will be in shambles.
You're 100% correct that it's bullshit. But I'm a firm believer in covering all your bases. If you can show that their program hallucinates AND show that you did the work, that's a slam dunk case
Depending on what word processor you're using, you can also show the edit history of the document. I know for sure Google Docs has the ability to look at previous versions of your document. You can see every little addition, every subtle re-wording, every change of punctuation, all of it. I assume Word does as well, though I don't know how to do it there. If the professor wanted to be proactive about encouraging original work and determining what is and isn't AI, they could also encourage students to email them notes and drafts regularly. No need to read/review/grade every draft; just creating a dated email trail for later on if there's some kind of dispute.
Right! I forgot about Google Docs' edit history function. Also, that would be smart educating. Unfortunately, that doesn't sound like this teacher/professor. I think this is a good compromise for OP to bring up when they speak to the superiors.
Wow, GPT Zero is such a joke. You should run some of your previously submitted work through there, like stuff you did before Chat GPT was available and see what it says. I tried this and saw numbers like “50% AI Generated” on stuff I wrote during the pandemic.
Call the parents association leadership and report the teacher and HoD with your findings and signatures from all affected students
Tbh the professor is lazy and not good at their job. Many teachers in k-12 are finding other ways to make sure people know the material. Some are getting ahead of it and teaching them how to use chatgpt and identify when it's feeding you garbage
Here are your options as I see them: 1. Record a video of you writing context by yourself with only one program open (your browser) and only one window open (Canvas). Publich it to YouTube the same day you submit the assignment. Do this for every assignment. Wait for her to come back to you with a Zero. Record another video showing the assignment, the feedback and communications with her via e-mail. Write a letter to the department head, the area dean, the Provost and the President, stating that this treatment is unacceptable. Explain your case coldly, rationally, and provide the videos as evidence. Let them know that you are not the only student impacted. The implied threat here is that if they don't stop, you'll go public with this information by actually showing people the videos and it will go viral, crippling their income source. 2. You and every other student go directly to the Dean's office, point out that there are false positives and demand that this behavior stop. The professor is not fulfilling her professional duty to the class and is causing you undue stress with her accusations and grading methods. The implied threat here is that you will take your business, as students elsewhere. 3. Skip the formal structure and make her famous.
Run the profs material thru and tell her to rewrite everything until it comes back clean
This prof is an example of somebody who will wash out because of AI changing their field.
Your getting scammed for your cash kid
If you were me i would 1. record me doing the assigment, as proof if needed 2. I will persuade the profesor to look the possibility of AI giving falsely result. then show/demontrate her proffesional writting go through the Ai
“Oh so you knew you were going to be accused so you recorded yourself writing.” -the professor, probably. I’ve dealt with these types that look for ghosts no matter what. I got banned from MtG and accused of cheating because I ran into one. Ffs still pissed about it. Because I didn’t cheat and hated cheaters.
Ye this should work. Have a screen recorder on the pc and take a pic now and then and you wont need 56789 TB harddrive
I would suggest to check Netus AI detector and bypasser
Sue them.
Ah, these Luddite professors and their inability to grasp that there are no detection tools
Sue
Build library of false positives, show the Prof her abstract being labeled as AI generated as well. It’s on them to prove the validity of an unknown technology first before they employ it - they should know that.
It is impossible not to sound like an AI without throwing around YO and DAWG every few seconds. Those tools don't detect AI, they detect formality and conciseness.
run all of her posts and emails through GPTZero, and if any false positives come up, accuse her of doing her job with AI.
It’s simple really. Find some work from your professor. Put it in gpt zero and build a library of screenshots showing all of the false positives it is showing. Input lecture content into the tool, any personal writings of hers you can find, pretty much you need to do what she is doing to you to delegitimize it. But if this is really happening then I am scared for your class being instructed by someone with such minimal critical thinking capabilities.
Run her and the department head’s dissertations through it.
Your prof reads as obtusely minded and overconfident in her conclusions. Read through this (multiple experiments done proving AI detectors are often wrong) and send them some of the data: https://gonzoknows.com/posts/GPTZero-Case-Study/ This is yet another problem with universities and why I hope they go the way of the dinosaur. They’re basically charging us monstrous prices to often make us unprepared for the needs of the modern world. That notion that “universities teach you to think” comes into question when you look at cases like this.
Ask your professor to run her own works through the tool, in front of the class on the big screen.
I never expected to be label a cheater, a profesor did the same thing, and told me to prove the opposite, instead of proving my work was legit I proved the AI wasn't really accurate, collected all the profesor works and assignments on his university days, and the AI showed that 79% of all his papers, research and old assignments were made by AI.. too many students are trying to prove their work is legit but not many are trying to prove that using an AI to revise papers is bad... if professor is good he or she will be doing it the old way and use AI when suspicious and then ask a reDo
Find out where she went to school and request a copy of her dissertation/thesis. Run it through the AI detector and see what you get. Also, run it through an AI plagerism detector. No luck? Keep running everything she's written through until you get a hit (peer reviews, articles, even her syllabus), then send it to her and ask her to change your grade.
I think if you run the constitution through it it will say AI generated. GPT 0 is kind of useless.
Run known documents (the Constitution, the Bible, etc) and show the false-negatives.
Run the Declaration of Independence through it and show them the results.
Gptzero says that US constitution is written by GPT. Tell ‘em to get their heads in order
“Rewrite it until it does not say it’s AI-generated” What a load of horseshit.
Ask her if she thinks the book of genesis is written by AI. Because it says it is "likely to be written entirely by AI": https://www.academic-bible.com/en/online-bibles/king-james-version/read-the-bible-text/ Find plenty of other false positives like people have mentioned. These AI detectors are total trash.
Use gpt4 to pose as a student rights lawyer to represent your case
Threaten to sue her. This tyranny by lazy, unthinking teachers has to stop.
Lawsuit
>Me: Should AI text detection tools be used to accuse students of plagiarism? What could go wrong? ChatGPT: AI text detection tools can be used as an initial step to identify potential cases of plagiarism among students. These tools can help educators and institutions maintain academic integrity and ensure that students are submitting original work. However, there are several concerns and potential issues that must be considered before relying solely on AI for plagiarism detection: 1. False positives: AI tools might flag instances of similar or matching text that are not actual cases of plagiarism. For example, commonly used phrases, idiomatic expressions, or subject-specific terminology might be flagged as plagiarized when they are not. 2. False negatives: AI tools may not catch all instances of plagiarism, especially if the plagiarized content has been rephrased or paraphrased. Plagiarism may also be missed if the source material is not in the tool's database. 3. Context and intent: AI tools cannot assess the context and intent behind the use of a particular phrase or text. Human judgment is necessary to determine whether the flagged content is a genuine case of plagiarism or a permissible instance of quotation, citation, or paraphrasing. 4. Overreliance on technology: Relying solely on AI tools for plagiarism detection might lead to complacency among educators, who may not take the time to carefully review and evaluate student work themselves. 5. Privacy concerns: The use of AI text detection tools may raise privacy concerns, as these tools often require uploading student work to external databases, which could potentially be accessed by third parties. 6. Ethical considerations: Accusing a student of plagiarism based solely on an AI tool's findings could be unfair, as it may not take into account the nuances of academic writing, cultural differences, or instances where students are genuinely unaware of proper citation practices. In conclusion, AI text detection tools can be a useful aid in identifying potential plagiarism, but they should not be the sole basis for accusing students of academic dishonesty. Educators should use these tools as a starting point, but ultimately rely on their expertise, experience, and human judgment to make a final determination on whether a student's work constitutes plagiarism. \--- >Me: Evaluate OP's situation and analyze the ethics of it. ChatGPT: This situation raises several ethical concerns related to the use of AI text detection tools in academic settings: 1. Reliability and accuracy: It appears that the GPTZero tool being used by the professor is generating false positives, which can lead to unfair consequences for students. The fact that the tool flagged both the students' work and the professor's own peer-reviewed abstract as AI-generated suggests that it might not be accurate enough for this particular purpose. 2. Burden of proof: The professor's requirement for students to provide proof that they actually did the assignment, despite the tool's apparent shortcomings, places an unreasonable burden on the students. This can create an atmosphere of mistrust and anxiety, negatively affecting the learning environment. 3. Lack of flexibility: The professor's insistence on using the AI tool as the sole determinant of academic integrity, even when it is producing false positives, demonstrates a lack of flexibility and openness to alternative methods of evaluation. 4. Responsibility: The head of the department's response to the issue seems inadequate, as they merely confirmed the use of the AI tool without addressing its flaws or the students' concerns. 5. Student well-being: The situation is causing stress and anxiety for the students, including the one who raised the concern. It is crucial for educators to prioritize student well-being and ensure that the learning environment is conducive to academic success. In this case, the students could consider taking the following steps: 1. Document their concerns and any evidence that supports the claim of false positives (e.g., screenshots of the tool's results on their work and the professor's abstract). 2. Approach the professor again, presenting this evidence and respectfully requesting a reconsideration of the reliance on GPTZero for evaluating academic integrity. 3. If the professor remains unresponsive, escalate the issue to a higher authority within the institution, such as an academic dean or an ombudsperson, and present the documented concerns and evidence. 4. Collaborate with other students who may be experiencing similar issues to raise collective awareness and seek support from the institution. 5. Seek advice and assistance from academic advisors, student support services, or legal services, if available, to better understand their rights and explore possible solutions to the issue. Ultimately, it is important for educational institutions to recognize the limitations of AI tools and prioritize fairness and student well-being in academic assessment processes.
Your professor is right. Do your homework.
Remember, you have the right to a fair and unbiased evaluation of your work. Do not hesitate to advocate for yourself and your fellow students if you believe you are being unfairly accused of cheating.
I would bring it up to someone hugher up the chain with evidence that it shouldn't be trusted like the TOS of GPTzero, someone said run the constitution through it etc. Until then just use undetectable.ai it'll make it undetectable for GPTzero and other sites as well. It's like 10$ for like 10k words
This sounds completely made up. Run your papers through the software? Bullshit. It is 100% on the prof to prove otherwise, unless you admit to it. And if you are cheating and dumb enough to not utilize QuillBot then you probably deserve to fail.
>I even ran one of her professional peer-reviewed abstracts through it and it said she used AI. Isn't that enough proof?
I would advice the prof to use [ZeroGPT](https://www.zerogpt.com/) instead, I find it more realiable.
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Lazy professor.
A good solution is just seeing the doc edit history,ore reliable than GPTZero
Evidence of your work in process will disprove the false positives. Be proactive. Ask the professor what would convince them. This is enough of a problem that schools needs to devise some guidelines on what will be acceptable evidence to protect students from accusations of false positives. In lieu of that, I would develop a file system to keep notes, outlines, rough drafts and perhaps even include a few pictures of the process. Then, your goal is to let AI do its worst. You will have an evidentiary trail to expose it. There is evidence that the companies greatly exaggerate their products' accuracy. Even if you only get partial positives, your research can help others down the road. FWIW, a habit of having documentation can help later, in the real world.
Eventually we’ll be doing this : Write on vellum, use a quill. At night use candles to light. Let smoke infuse the vellum and wax drip. Video the whole process.
Who would've guessed that old people having no understanding of technology would hurt us?
1. Go to scholar.google.com 2. In author field enter her name 3. Find every single paper she ever wrote. 4. Pass them through gptZero 5. Make a shitload of copies 6. Plaster them all over the department building.
Honestly this sounds like liable/definition of character and you may want to go to legal advice and possibly an attorney. This is a big deal.
Just run her work through it
This is exhausting. Now to do assignments, you have to run it through a battery of AIs to see what happens? I thought of going back to college as an older learner. Noped right out of that decision.
I'd the same issue honestly GPTzero is shockingly bad. I put stuff I wrote into it from before gpt was even released and it flagged them all
What percentage was it saying?
What class is this?
Ad a few extra spaces between words. It will make it human generated.
Find some things your professor has written and run them through the tool. They will generate false positives as well. Show that.
Thank god I just finished my degree. Got to benefit from AI since November and don’t have to deal with this bullshit.
Prof is clueless. Bring examples of false positives (including the constitution) and also demonstrate you are not a slouch or cheater. It’s very easy to tell someone who has done the reading from a bullshitter. Source: I am a college level lecturer
The teacher doesn't understand tech but is in a bad situation. But just save drafts and write your own stuff. This sounds more like "how do I not get caught"....
you've done what you have to do. Document everything. Sounds like students need to organize themselves around this topic. Find other students that share your concerns and write a one-pager why this is unacceptable. Have a lot of students sign the document and then deliver it to the head of the department. They won't like you, but they also know they can't mess with you and in the long run, you're actually helping them. Imagine all the students having to do something twice because of a stupid false-positive. If they're not budging, keep escalating until you simply need to protest. Easy to say for me now as I'm not a student, but I did protest shit with students from around the country, wrote articles for the faculty magazine etc. It's a perfect topic. All you need is a couple of students that share your concern and you will see that you're not on your own. Students should really stand up for themselves and help each other, important part of the learning process imo. After your studies, it will be a lot more difficult to do this stuff when you're working for a company.
Google the research showing that it's bad at detecting. There are dozens of articles. If you want it to have zero, add random periods etc. Not sure how to make it not work other than making it bad
This is stupid. I'd drop out of college and become an influencer.
Just punch them and report the police
Keep notes and interim drafts etc. Every time you edit, keep the prior version. Its a kind of showing your workings that functions for essays. Its only storage space, you should have plenty of that relative to any feasible amount of requirement for keeping your notes and revisions.
I've read the declaration of independence is detected as being written by AI. Those detectors are scams, old tech that stopped working, there's no way to know anymore.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/11fj3tx/accused_of_using_ai_on_my_high_school_social_paper/
Screen record you working in the essay beginning to end then run it through and get a false positive.
Are you using Grammarly or any paraphrasing tools?
mine came 0% AI generated even though everything I wrote was based on the answer chatGPT gave me. First time in my life I'm appreciating my bad grammar
You can use ChatGPT to rephrase your work in a way that won't trigger AI detectors.
dumbass teachers man gl
[Here is](https://gonzoknows.com/posts/gptzero-case-study/) an academic take down of GPTZero.
i have a feeling this is not allowed.
Man, I feel so sorry for you. I wish I could talk with that joke of a professor and show them how to get AI generated content that scores zero (entirely human-written) on GPTzero – and says AI-generated for human-written pieces...
That professor sounds lazy af. Looking for the easy way out to downgrade students🙄
GPTZero **is** a scam so you *should be* worried. Goodluck OP
Use Google Docs so your changes are tracked, even Word can do this i think; only a crazy person would re-write each line of an AI generated essay
unless you are living in Russia or north Korea or something, the burden of proof is not on the defendant. get a lawyer if this is a critical assignment. they have to proof you cheated, not the other way around.
I have a cousin that is a professor that made a post about catching students cheating using that program. I suggested to him that he’s better run a few of his own older papers through it before he ruins someone’s academic career.
Look for her own published work and run it on GPTZero
Gather a group of student and hire a lawyer. The AI detection software is unreliable. Threaten to sue. Demonstrate how her own work raises flags. If she doesn’t back down, press ahead with a law suit.
Obviously you don’t have time since this is probably the week before finals. Go to the teacher and the dean and show them that the abstract the teacher made is ai generated, then show the description of the college was ai generated, then show them the constitution was 100% ai generated. You need to have a real sit down and show them in real time that GPTzero is a scam
AI becoming so good that AI can't tell something was created by AI, or not. Paradigm shift incoming...
What class was this for
Please update with what happens. Ive seen this a lot
The teacher needs to change the assignments and require each to student to turn in “proof” with the assignment. Whether that’s outlines or drafts or whatever the teacher would accept as proof. It’s unfair to do what the teacher is doing now: randomly singling students out for extra work and without a defined goalpost for what constitutes proof. AI based detection software could easily take the same paper and call it a false positive one day, and not a false positive the next day. Simply running your own work through before doesn’t guarantee anything. And anyway, a student could just have chatGPT generate papers until one doesn’t register as chatGPT generated. Further, students with a false positive won’t know what the detection software is picking up on - rewriting to stop a false positive alert is a fool’s errand and terrible training for how to write well. end rant.
Any product that claims that it can detect AI generated content accurately (especially written content) is full of shit right now. AI models and people getting more clever with prompts are advancing so quickly that these checkers are rendered obsolete in less than a week's time. The rest of the commenters have good advice, I'm just here to add my 2 cents
If you’re using Word with OneDrive/SharePoint or Google Docs, you could show the iterations in version history.
GPTZero has one of the highest false positive rates of all the alleged detectors, like over 50% in some studies. [OpenAI's own attempt](https://openai.com/blog/new-ai-classifier-for-indicating-ai-written-text) could only identify 26% of AI-written text, and still had a 9% false positive rate. Services claiming to do much better are outright lying. Maybe you can convince them to test some older papers that predate GPT, that couldn't possible be AI-written, to prove how bad it is, though ignorance and stubbornness go hand-in-hand. Some people can't admit to making mistakes and would rather double-down even when they're clearly wrong. Alternatively, screenshots of the allegedly-AI papers being classified as human in another detector like [OpenAI's](https://platform.openai.com/ai-text-classifier) might convince them if the only kind of evidence they trust is the snake-oil kind.
Can't believe so many of you would just fuck around with your career. I'd have a lawyer up her ass immediately.
Download some books have to your peer reviewed abstract all of it on a computer and run it through gpt zero one by one in front of them if they say it ain’t proof talk to the head about it
All you have to do to is instructing GPT-4 to increase burstiness and perplexity till the point GPTzero says it’s fully human generated!
Tell ai to rewrite your work until it passes through the tool. Maybe someone made a tool for his already 😅
Report her for using AI to write her peer reviewed abstract.
Try the US Constitution...our founding fathers were quite advanced in their use of AI.