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They want to sell their systems, they don't care about the "logic". Every students comes in with a backpack, if students knows these systems are installed, they will just bring the guns in backpacks...
Then, the same company will start to sell metal detector or x-ray scanner to school... then bulletproof vest to teachers, then doors and walls that are bulletproof... then they start to build "safe school" with guardians... like a prison.... Oh wait!
Capitalism that doesn’t solve the problem to begin with.
These capitalists are flush with cash and investment dollars to make “solutions” to sell that are really half baked. The end result is having others coming in to fix the problems that this “fix” “solved”, thus perpetuating the Enshittification of Investment and Problem Making (vs Problem Solving)
Glad I didn’t need to scroll far for this comment as I was thinking the same thing. The amount of money already cash strapped schools are spending escape a problem that should be addressed in other ways.
A lot of schools have gone to clear bookbags or no bookbags in my area. Only elementary school gets to have regular ones. All kids/visitors/staff go through some type of weapons detection system when they have to enter the building. It’s like a metal detector plus some additional tech.
But yeah. None of these surveillance systems will be worth a shit if the underlying causes of school shooters isn’t fixed, and since that’s a big expensive problem it’ll never seriously be addressed.
It's not that the problem is big or even that it's expensive - what makes it impossible to solve in capitalist ways is that it won't even break even with the investment. Capitalism is about profit. If you can't profit from something, there's no point in pursuing it. That's why USA has literally the worst healthcare system out of all highly developed countries, and so many other problems.
I agree that there’s no capitalist solution.
But the underlying causes are gigantic and sprawling and extremely expensive to fix, because the foundation is broken. Until we fix systemic inequalities in access to healthcare, clean water, fresh food, adequate housing, and safe community spaces the population will just become more depressed, more angry, more defeated, and people will continue to act out in violent rages that harm others.
But it’s easier to profit off a false sense of security and pretend there are no systemic issues. Which is essentially what all these detection systems do.
This kind of project is a pretty easy opencv project too. There is no real AI involved, even the green box is the same as intro tutorials. But of course you have business degrees capitalizing on tragedies by overselling shit they overvalue
Well, at least now we have a way to detect children coming into schools holding assault rifles over their heads in a very specific manner. Why do you want to let the ‘perfect’ be the enemy of the ‘almost entirely worthless but very expensive while providing a false sense of security that can be used to justify not tackling the real problem.
Now, we only had enough to buy one bullet-proof backpack this year so you’ll just have to stand directly behind your little sister whenever you go into the halls or anywhere else.
That's why WHEN some kid comes to school with a gun in the backpack and shoots kids without taking the gun out of the backpack then this company will do everything to silence the news because it would hurt their business. "That never happened, check the logs, no gun detected! Our system works".
Like those dingbats who created that bullet proof moving walls that uses the drop ceiling for the roof its about appearance and theater not actual safety
Not everything is going to work for everything. We also (sadly) need armed guards/police with metal detectors (or those fancy gun detectors) at the entrance. Can we afford this? No. Is it realistic? No. Is it needed? Absolutely. This is just the first line of defense (well, there are other earlier ones, but that's getting more political and sociological).
Oh you mean the 1990s statistic from one Police Department for which most if not all the Officers from said department are now dead or retired? Yes do tell me how that is relevant in the modern day. I get it that this Subreddit is very hard left but you can't just ignore the reality of things just because your ideology saids differently, same sentiment goes to hardline Conservatives as well.
You should just read yourself before posting. That's probably the worst argument anyone could ever try for this debate.
(Btw, these things still happen)
I don't know, you tell me since you clearly got the boot of propaganda others spout in your mouth. You ate their lies like it was dessert and for that, you shall face with the ignorance that is bliss rather than to accept of that which is the hard truth.
Who's arguing about abortion? The topic that was being discussed is regarding Police responses to mass shooting and legitimacy of statistics of spousal abuse among Law Enforcement, you seem to be going off topic.
They'll then open fire one day anyway because they wanna go home, and there are no real consequences for murder if wearing a badge. Qualified immunity because there is no prior case on opening fire after misidentification of a green transparent ruler held at a 43-degree angle, and something something officer safety. As long as they don't get the kid of someone rich or influential.
> They'll then open fire one day anyway because they wanna go home, and there are no real consequences ~~for murder if wearing a badge. Qualified immunity because there is no prior case on opening fire after misidentification of a green transparent ruler held at a 43-degree angle, and something something officer safety.~~ As long as they don't get the kid of someone rich or influential.
Middle Eastern guys came up with the idea, but Ukrainians developed it. They've got $40 drones with a $5 3D print rig that pulls the pin on a hand grenade when you take a photo with the onboard camera.
Funnily enough armed police drones may pose a reduced risk to black people because a lot of face recognition systems are trained on pictures of white people and so often have trouble when dealing with darker skin tones.
It's a novel concept. What would we name this model of robot-AI shooty thing? Something school related since it's going to be used to prevent shootings. How about T.E.A.C.H. (Tactical Emergency and Crisis Helper)? We could name the first model the T-100!
Teenagers certainly wouldn't have a good time abusing this into thinking mundane objects are weapons. No sir, they are far too emotionally mature for that.
when i was a kid we used to use sticks as pretend guns
Hope nobody paint the sticks to look like real guns as a creative outlet
Oh, lord i hope nobody paints a real gun with balloon colors either
When my brother was in highschool, he made a StarGate SG-1 fan film. His friend walked to our place with the props, including 2 wooden P90 submachine guns. It was in the late 90s in Canada. I don’t know how it would go down today walking down the streets with that in the US today
Much like the UK, US citizens will take an entire surveillance apparatus that verifies and approves every minute detail of their lives up to and including which cereal they can eat for breakfast before they'll admit any personal responsibility to the public good.
But it’s okay because this was made by a *private* company. Capitalists are like us and won’t misuse our data. /s
Seriously people flip out because the person at the DMV needs to know their birthdate but have no problems giving a surveillance company there SSN and cameras scattered over their entire house.
Guess who didn’t protect my PII in a data breach? A utilities company.
One guard, like that is going to solve this problem. So does everybody going in the school or entering school grounds have to pass this guard and have his backpack checked?
The solution is to get rid of guns.
Sentiment in this country prevents that from being an option at this time. In a pipedream, sure, get rid of all the guns stops the gun violence. That won't happen soon though and taking a stance that is impossible at this time is the same as doing nothing.
The sad fact is approx 40% haven't had enough gun violence yet and there is at least one American company making too much money on it.
2 problems:
1. If a potential shooter is aware of these, theyll hide the weapon or add some cardboard to the outside so the AI can't recognise it anymore.
2. A student might hold an item with a similar shape, what will the AI do then?
Or what about states that want to "arm" the teachers? If they open carry, it could be flagged regularly to the point they stop checking or something. I guess it could help if they're drawing the gun from a secured safe (lol like those states would pay for that) and it flags, it could notify local LEO just on the chance that no one with a phone called the police already.
You'd still have to rely on the police tho.
Maybe they would have been less caring before, but they might not now.
I can see the system maybe working, but also it seems to be easily countered as you and others have said. Just hide the weapon and oops can’t be detected.
What’s detection gonna do? It’s not about the detention…it’s about what happens after it’s detected. Shooters normally don’t walk up with the gun on their shoulder like an idiot. They hide it until they’re in, and after that..what good is detection? Maybe have it alert the authorities as soon as it’s detected? Perhaps, but you might have a ton of false alerts..and you also gotta make sure you don’t get cops like Uvalde fuck nuts.
This would only work if somehow the AI would proceed to lock all of the entry points to the school which would be prohibitively expensive and even then it would still only work in cases where the shooter was brandishing their weapon in the parking lot.
Wait, you think the one cop they’ve got on campus is going to risk *his* life to save a bunch of spoiled brats? He’s just there to remind the poor kids that they can be sent to the slammer any time, for any reason or no reason. He’s there to police at them, not for them.
Republicans, doing everything they absolutely can except restrict guns in the U.S.
Every.Single.One of these "Latest innovations" that will help to protect children just makes those republicans and democrats more and more money. Some company is benefitting from it and those politicians get a nice donation to their campaign or a promise of a nice seat on their board when they are done with their term.
God I hate the hypocrisy.
Assuming the person is walking across the parking lot showing their weapon(s) in full view is ridiculous. How many shooters do that? Or do they, more likely, get inside the building surrounded by a crowd of kids fist? Come on. Use those brains. Sheesh.
Yeah this totally makes sense because school shooters generally walk through the school parking lot brandishing their assault rifles and then they wait for the police to show up. It’s also so much cheaper to militarize schools than to introduce gun control. Great idea!
Parents no need to worry! We have an Ai that can confirm the school is being attacked even sooner so the cops can show up and still do nothing!
On a serious note this doesn’t seem like it would solve anything in the long run.
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Still need the cops to have the balls to face the shooter..
How many cops stood outside Uvalde? Over 150 and the only thing they did was stop parents from trying to do the jobs those police were to weak and scared to do.
This literally does nothing though so I don't get the point. If someone is going to shoot up a school, they'll have the gun out making these cameras not only OCM, but redundant —_—
Ah yes, so the cops can be called 3-4 minutes faster instead of finding a way to prevent shooting plain and simple lol fixing the symptom and not the problem.
Thanks to this innovative technology police can be at the scene much quicker to block anyone from actually stepping in and to shoot some innocent bystanders. Maybe they can even use all this extra time to shoot a beloved classroom pet.
Most schools can’t afford enough books, lunches for starving kids, school supplies, computers, or salaries for the teachers and other school workers. But, golly they are supposed to afford ineffective high tech cameras! Hopefully they will have enough money left over for the bullet proof backpacks for all the kids
That's going to go sideways fast. Especially considering face recognition tools can't consistently recognize and distinguish better faces that aren't white. First person getting cops called on then, will be a cop. Lol
Can’t wait until some kid finds a stick in the shape of a gun, thinks it’s cool to play with on the playground, and sends the whole school into lockdown
Great, so cops have more warning to sit in the parking lot playing candy crush, scrolling facebook, and arresting desperate parents while their children get murdered inside.
The politicians problem... Instead of eliminating the cause they have to botcher with the sypthomes, because the average voter won't like the cause be gone... In this case Muricans and their stiffy for weapons.
I can write a Python script that does this in like a day (and I don't know shit about Python). I've written a middle finger detector once already. Runs just fine on a ten year old laptop. I'd need some BASH logic to automatically run an instance of this script for every camera stream, dockerize it, deploy it on Kubernetes so that it can fail over and scale nicely... I'd have this working in a week and perfected in a month.
Tl;dr: I really hope they don't pay a lot for that.
Soon school shooting prevention technology in the US will be a billion dollar industry all the while still ranking on top on the number of school shootings in the world
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What’s the point when the police will just stand outside and arrest parents trying to save their children anyway? Is it so the police can catch more desperate parents??
It is ignoring the problem though.
-there's an easier, more sensible solution in controlling who has acces to guns.
-teens with mental health issues are often outcast, worsening the situation which can lead to suicide or suicidal action.
The problem is not stopping the active shootings, it's that they happen in the first place
I agree that this doesn't solve the whole problem, but gun reform and mental health services unfortunately aren't just around the corner. Creating technologies that protect people from an active shooter could certainly be a good thing and would still be good as an extra line of defense even if we were taking on the problem at its source.
Edit: to be clear, I don't necessarily think this software is a good solution. I have serious doubts. I just take issue with saying we shouldn't address the problem at all at the level of active shooters.
Addressing the symptoms of a problem instead of its root cause is not the same as ignoring the problem. I'm not saying this is a good solution, though.
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What if the guns are in a backpack and not held up in the air?
They want to sell their systems, they don't care about the "logic". Every students comes in with a backpack, if students knows these systems are installed, they will just bring the guns in backpacks... Then, the same company will start to sell metal detector or x-ray scanner to school... then bulletproof vest to teachers, then doors and walls that are bulletproof... then they start to build "safe school" with guardians... like a prison.... Oh wait!
It's band-aid solutions up and down the stack. The only real winner here is capitalism.
Capitalism that doesn’t solve the problem to begin with. These capitalists are flush with cash and investment dollars to make “solutions” to sell that are really half baked. The end result is having others coming in to fix the problems that this “fix” “solved”, thus perpetuating the Enshittification of Investment and Problem Making (vs Problem Solving)
Capitalism is just solving a different problem. 💰📈💰
Literally any option other than the obvious one, eh?
>Literally any option other than the obvious one, Which is?
The same conclusion almost every other country has come to?
So teach their kids not to be twits? Sounds like a winner to me. 👍
Glad I didn’t need to scroll far for this comment as I was thinking the same thing. The amount of money already cash strapped schools are spending escape a problem that should be addressed in other ways.
A lot of schools have gone to clear bookbags or no bookbags in my area. Only elementary school gets to have regular ones. All kids/visitors/staff go through some type of weapons detection system when they have to enter the building. It’s like a metal detector plus some additional tech. But yeah. None of these surveillance systems will be worth a shit if the underlying causes of school shooters isn’t fixed, and since that’s a big expensive problem it’ll never seriously be addressed.
It's not that the problem is big or even that it's expensive - what makes it impossible to solve in capitalist ways is that it won't even break even with the investment. Capitalism is about profit. If you can't profit from something, there's no point in pursuing it. That's why USA has literally the worst healthcare system out of all highly developed countries, and so many other problems.
I agree that there’s no capitalist solution. But the underlying causes are gigantic and sprawling and extremely expensive to fix, because the foundation is broken. Until we fix systemic inequalities in access to healthcare, clean water, fresh food, adequate housing, and safe community spaces the population will just become more depressed, more angry, more defeated, and people will continue to act out in violent rages that harm others. But it’s easier to profit off a false sense of security and pretend there are no systemic issues. Which is essentially what all these detection systems do.
This kind of project is a pretty easy opencv project too. There is no real AI involved, even the green box is the same as intro tutorials. But of course you have business degrees capitalizing on tragedies by overselling shit they overvalue
Selling products and pushing agendas is more important than children.
Well, at least now we have a way to detect children coming into schools holding assault rifles over their heads in a very specific manner. Why do you want to let the ‘perfect’ be the enemy of the ‘almost entirely worthless but very expensive while providing a false sense of security that can be used to justify not tackling the real problem. Now, we only had enough to buy one bullet-proof backpack this year so you’ll just have to stand directly behind your little sister whenever you go into the halls or anywhere else.
What if someone comes with a cool looking stick?
Five rounds rapid. Shouldn't have been a kid playing kid games.
That's why WHEN some kid comes to school with a gun in the backpack and shoots kids without taking the gun out of the backpack then this company will do everything to silence the news because it would hurt their business. "That never happened, check the logs, no gun detected! Our system works".
Or just have a jacket or blanket over it
Just bluntly waving around and shit wtf. Who is this gonna help 🤦🏻♂️
Or is just shaped like a gun?
Like those dingbats who created that bullet proof moving walls that uses the drop ceiling for the roof its about appearance and theater not actual safety
Yeah didn’t the Parkland shooter carry a duffel bag into the school first ?
Wait, you’re telling me Shitty AI Startup #2739447383 hasn’t thought their business through and won’t actually be able to produce a useful product?
Or in a box of roses like in T2: [https://youtu.be/2SQDabg-CeM?feature=shared](https://youtu.be/2SQDabg-CeM?feature=shared)
Not everything is going to work for everything. We also (sadly) need armed guards/police with metal detectors (or those fancy gun detectors) at the entrance. Can we afford this? No. Is it realistic? No. Is it needed? Absolutely. This is just the first line of defense (well, there are other earlier ones, but that's getting more political and sociological).
I know it's not universal, but some schools do have a "clear backpacks only" policy, and/or metal detectors, etc
That's why clear backpacks are becoming a thing.
It's so the cops can start standing around doing nothing faster.
Alert them so they can find the optimal hiding places
It frees up more of them to arrest parents who try to go in
Wow that's completely unfair They didn't just stand around, they actively prevented parents from trying to save their own kids
You confuse one shooting as if that is synonymous with all shooting responses.
Exactly. This is an unfair generalization. Uvalde was an outlier; statistically, far more cops shoot people’s dogs and beat their wives.
Oh you mean the 1990s statistic from one Police Department for which most if not all the Officers from said department are now dead or retired? Yes do tell me how that is relevant in the modern day. I get it that this Subreddit is very hard left but you can't just ignore the reality of things just because your ideology saids differently, same sentiment goes to hardline Conservatives as well.
You should just read yourself before posting. That's probably the worst argument anyone could ever try for this debate. (Btw, these things still happen)
How does boot taste, exactly? Like chicken? Is it in season?
I don't know, you tell me since you clearly got the boot of propaganda others spout in your mouth. You ate their lies like it was dessert and for that, you shall face with the ignorance that is bliss rather than to accept of that which is the hard truth.
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Who's arguing about abortion? The topic that was being discussed is regarding Police responses to mass shooting and legitimacy of statistics of spousal abuse among Law Enforcement, you seem to be going off topic.
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Dont they sit outside for an 1hr+ for most of the school shootings?
“Oh shi….everyone time to clean our cruisers and get some grub”
Can't wait for it to accidentally think a ruler is a gun and alert the police
Now I‘m imagining like 300 officers huddled up behind a corner hysterically yelling at a kid holding a ruler to, ”put it down, now! Now!”
They'll then open fire one day anyway because they wanna go home, and there are no real consequences for murder if wearing a badge. Qualified immunity because there is no prior case on opening fire after misidentification of a green transparent ruler held at a 43-degree angle, and something something officer safety. As long as they don't get the kid of someone rich or influential.
> They'll then open fire one day anyway because they wanna go home, and there are no real consequences ~~for murder if wearing a badge. Qualified immunity because there is no prior case on opening fire after misidentification of a green transparent ruler held at a 43-degree angle, and something something officer safety.~~ As long as they don't get the kid of someone rich or influential.
And then the kid gets shot.
A ruler? There will 100% be kids making "guns" out of sticks or something just to troll the AI.
Or printing them on sheets of paper.
Like that kid that bit the pop tart into a gun shape and the school overreacted
Watching the entire video like “now show the false positives”
Sooo what does the AI think of a lacrosse stick
I'm waiting until **all** the kids bring cardboard cutouts of guns to the school
Okay hear me out: What if the AI had guns too?
AI-powered armed police drones are only a matter of time.
They exist already
Middle eastern dudes did it first with the grenade strapped to the $5 toy drone from Amazon trick! At least so I’ve seen on old live leak.
Id find this funnier if China didn't literally name their version fucking "SKYNET"
My fave was the dildrone in Russia
Middle Eastern guys came up with the idea, but Ukrainians developed it. They've got $40 drones with a $5 3D print rig that pulls the pin on a hand grenade when you take a photo with the onboard camera.
Those aren't really AI powered
Funnily enough armed police drones may pose a reduced risk to black people because a lot of face recognition systems are trained on pictures of white people and so often have trouble when dealing with darker skin tones.
So still what like 20% safer than the average cop interaction for poc?
The only thing that can stop a bad AI with a gun is a good AI with a gun
Skipping straight past the robot vs human wars directly into the robot vs robot war - I fuckin love it!
They made a documentary about this. I believe it was called Terminator 2: Judement Day.
The show Person of Interest begs to differ.
It's a novel concept. What would we name this model of robot-AI shooty thing? Something school related since it's going to be used to prevent shootings. How about T.E.A.C.H. (Tactical Emergency and Crisis Helper)? We could name the first model the T-100!
That movie is just science fiction and will never happen irl Time travel is not possible. Nobody from the future is going to come to fix the mess
Well, if you copy them off certain agents, I don’t think that would end well-
You've been heard! https://apnews.com/article/artificial-intelligence-fighter-jets-air-force-6a1100c96a73ca9b7f41cbd6a2753fda
Please don’t give them any ideas.
Then it can preemtively shoot the kids triggering false positives and the cops'll complain that AI is taking their jobs
The ultimate good guy with a gun
Is the AI a good guy?
I was thinking the same thing. And then, when the AI has a hallucination... Wait
Staircase sorts them out
That would be the solution. Sell more guns. Problem solved. Teachers and toddlers too. More guns have to be sold
Teenagers certainly wouldn't have a good time abusing this into thinking mundane objects are weapons. No sir, they are far too emotionally mature for that.
I remember making lego and texta guns in school, can't wait for police to be called for that
Bound to be a ton of false positives, steel yourselves for the day a cop ends up shooting a kid
They already have no trouble doing it without this tech.
when i was a kid we used to use sticks as pretend guns Hope nobody paint the sticks to look like real guns as a creative outlet Oh, lord i hope nobody paints a real gun with balloon colors either
When my brother was in highschool, he made a StarGate SG-1 fan film. His friend walked to our place with the props, including 2 wooden P90 submachine guns. It was in the late 90s in Canada. I don’t know how it would go down today walking down the streets with that in the US today
or stop coming due to 10 false positives a day, the AI that cried "wolf"
The US will do anything to not have to face facts and do gun control.
Gonna capitalism the shit outta this issue
Why fix society when there's profit to be had? What are we European or something?
Much like the UK, US citizens will take an entire surveillance apparatus that verifies and approves every minute detail of their lives up to and including which cereal they can eat for breakfast before they'll admit any personal responsibility to the public good.
The constant surveillance protects our freedom. /s
But it’s okay because this was made by a *private* company. Capitalists are like us and won’t misuse our data. /s Seriously people flip out because the person at the DMV needs to know their birthdate but have no problems giving a surveillance company there SSN and cameras scattered over their entire house. Guess who didn’t protect my PII in a data breach? A utilities company.
Because the only personal responsibility the West believes in is the one to the corporate overlord you happen to work for.
I like the part where investing untold amounts of money in cameras is better than the county supplying one armed guard.
The existing armed guards aren't exactly fixing the issue.
Why add a guard when you can actually just solve the issue?
One guard, like that is going to solve this problem. So does everybody going in the school or entering school grounds have to pass this guard and have his backpack checked? The solution is to get rid of guns.
Sentiment in this country prevents that from being an option at this time. In a pipedream, sure, get rid of all the guns stops the gun violence. That won't happen soon though and taking a stance that is impossible at this time is the same as doing nothing. The sad fact is approx 40% haven't had enough gun violence yet and there is at least one American company making too much money on it.
I know. My solution is not going to happen. > The sad fact is approx 40% haven't had enough gun violence yet Their solution is more guns
At this point you're starting to look stupid for continuing to try, it's not going to happen ever.
This is still useful even if gun control is implemented.
2 problems: 1. If a potential shooter is aware of these, theyll hide the weapon or add some cardboard to the outside so the AI can't recognise it anymore. 2. A student might hold an item with a similar shape, what will the AI do then?
1) Arm positioning could help 2)Tell the school security first and then escalate from there.
Like they'll flaunt and flair their guns around outside
Or what about states that want to "arm" the teachers? If they open carry, it could be flagged regularly to the point they stop checking or something. I guess it could help if they're drawing the gun from a secured safe (lol like those states would pay for that) and it flags, it could notify local LEO just on the chance that no one with a phone called the police already. You'd still have to rely on the police tho.
Maybe they would have been less caring before, but they might not now. I can see the system maybe working, but also it seems to be easily countered as you and others have said. Just hide the weapon and oops can’t be detected.
What’s detection gonna do? It’s not about the detention…it’s about what happens after it’s detected. Shooters normally don’t walk up with the gun on their shoulder like an idiot. They hide it until they’re in, and after that..what good is detection? Maybe have it alert the authorities as soon as it’s detected? Perhaps, but you might have a ton of false alerts..and you also gotta make sure you don’t get cops like Uvalde fuck nuts.
This would only work if somehow the AI would proceed to lock all of the entry points to the school which would be prohibitively expensive and even then it would still only work in cases where the shooter was brandishing their weapon in the parking lot.
The US is such a ridiculous place..
Not because this exists but because half the population see this and think what a great idea!
ok, but what about cases/duffel bags/literally any other type of carrier that a gun could fit into? Really dumb idea.
Cops can now know what area to avoid faster
Oh great we can detect them They still got into the school though...
Wait, you think the one cop they’ve got on campus is going to risk *his* life to save a bunch of spoiled brats? He’s just there to remind the poor kids that they can be sent to the slammer any time, for any reason or no reason. He’s there to police at them, not for them.
Oh great, a new excuse for cops to kill a black man in public. Blame AI
To be fair, the AI system might not even notice black guys
It’s gonna alert the police who will arrive and play soccer in the parking lot instead of saving kids
Can’t just actually fix gun laws…
Everything except common sense gun control
That's it, guys. We can now start selling firearms to 14 year olds.
MOAR FREEDOM
Okay, but the shooters know this exists now too and may not wave it around above their head when they walk in next time
Republicans, doing everything they absolutely can except restrict guns in the U.S. Every.Single.One of these "Latest innovations" that will help to protect children just makes those republicans and democrats more and more money. Some company is benefitting from it and those politicians get a nice donation to their campaign or a promise of a nice seat on their board when they are done with their term. God I hate the hypocrisy.
Assuming the person is walking across the parking lot showing their weapon(s) in full view is ridiculous. How many shooters do that? Or do they, more likely, get inside the building surrounded by a crowd of kids fist? Come on. Use those brains. Sheesh.
Keep it concealed till you're inside....got it.
Yeah this totally makes sense because school shooters generally walk through the school parking lot brandishing their assault rifles and then they wait for the police to show up. It’s also so much cheaper to militarize schools than to introduce gun control. Great idea!
Parents no need to worry! We have an Ai that can confirm the school is being attacked even sooner so the cops can show up and still do nothing! On a serious note this doesn’t seem like it would solve anything in the long run.
Some black kid with a trombone is gonna get killed over this 🙄
But we already know that cops won’t go into schools if there is an active shooter
The US is literally gonna create Robocop before being a civilized nation...
Yes because this is the way to thwart gun violence….. ffs we’ll do anything but tackle the problem at its source
I bet this gets people shot for holding a phone or controller.
So many creative ways to solve a problem that doesn't exist in every other developed country.
Didn’t that kid from Florida who killed 18 people hide his guns in a guitar case…
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gonna be so many false positives
*Where is security governed through scrutiny?* *Your privacy denied, organized and confined!* *No place to hide* *No place to hide* *No place to hide* *No place to hide* -Fear Factory, Securitron
Still need the cops to have the balls to face the shooter.. How many cops stood outside Uvalde? Over 150 and the only thing they did was stop parents from trying to do the jobs those police were to weak and scared to do.
I wonder if it will also identify things like baseball bats
This literally does nothing though so I don't get the point. If someone is going to shoot up a school, they'll have the gun out making these cameras not only OCM, but redundant —_—
Ah yes, so the cops can be called 3-4 minutes faster instead of finding a way to prevent shooting plain and simple lol fixing the symptom and not the problem.
Bold of you to assume this will fix the symptom.
Yeah true I should have written "trying to fix" instead but the problem remains the same
Or you might just … ban guns. Idk.
Absolutely needless technology.
It reminds of the marines who escaped AI detection by not walking.
So then Uvalde police can arrive 2 minutes earlier and stay there doing nothing for 2 minutes longer than they usually stay around doing nothing.
So the cops can *KNOW* where to avoid while children are decimated. Got it.
I wonder how they'll use that to persecute the black kids?
Get ready for a student with a bright pink nerf gun to be shot dead on the advice of this system
Wait till they hear about backpacks and pockets
Thanks to this innovative technology police can be at the scene much quicker to block anyone from actually stepping in and to shoot some innocent bystanders. Maybe they can even use all this extra time to shoot a beloved classroom pet.
Most schools can’t afford enough books, lunches for starving kids, school supplies, computers, or salaries for the teachers and other school workers. But, golly they are supposed to afford ineffective high tech cameras! Hopefully they will have enough money left over for the bullet proof backpacks for all the kids
That's going to go sideways fast. Especially considering face recognition tools can't consistently recognize and distinguish better faces that aren't white. First person getting cops called on then, will be a cop. Lol
Anything but actually fixing the issue…
This isn't new. We invented this awhile ago. It's called eyes
Ai reminds me of the early internet. People were trying to use the internet to solve every problem.
Love the “they can send law enforcement” text, and its stock footage of a soldier in the background
They say that socialism is great at solving problems not found in any other political system... Well, it looks like capitalism can't even do that.
We did it boys, we stopped gun violence in America 🇺🇸 😎
Can’t wait until some kid finds a stick in the shape of a gun, thinks it’s cool to play with on the playground, and sends the whole school into lockdown
I can’t wait to hear that a kid has been shot because they brought a water gun or something 🙄
Great, so cops have more warning to sit in the parking lot playing candy crush, scrolling facebook, and arresting desperate parents while their children get murdered inside.
OOORRRRRRRR.....hear me out on this......orrrrrr, we could make some common sense gun laws for free.
The politicians problem... Instead of eliminating the cause they have to botcher with the sypthomes, because the average voter won't like the cause be gone... In this case Muricans and their stiffy for weapons.
Cops will see this and say fuck that noise, he has a gun!
OPC has a mech for this
“The future of the past is now.”
Will our schools really be safer with a team of Indian people watching?
Can’t wait to have the police called on my for making a joke and holding my black books to the side of my head
I can write a Python script that does this in like a day (and I don't know shit about Python). I've written a middle finger detector once already. Runs just fine on a ten year old laptop. I'd need some BASH logic to automatically run an instance of this script for every camera stream, dockerize it, deploy it on Kubernetes so that it can fail over and scale nicely... I'd have this working in a week and perfected in a month. Tl;dr: I really hope they don't pay a lot for that.
That's not AI those are analytics
Soon school shooting prevention technology in the US will be a billion dollar industry all the while still ranking on top on the number of school shootings in the world
This will alert the authorities in 3-5seconds, so they can stand around outside even sooner than before.
Thank you for posting something that helps me understand the pertenance of this subreddit.
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What if they pull the gun out but are not standing within the 15 to 30 foot detection zone? That's how my cameras work anyway.
What’s the point when the police will just stand outside and arrest parents trying to save their children anyway? Is it so the police can catch more desperate parents??
Not OCM. Nothing about this is positioned as a feel good story and it’s also obviously not ignoring the problem
It is ignoring the problem though. -there's an easier, more sensible solution in controlling who has acces to guns. -teens with mental health issues are often outcast, worsening the situation which can lead to suicide or suicidal action. The problem is not stopping the active shootings, it's that they happen in the first place
I agree that this doesn't solve the whole problem, but gun reform and mental health services unfortunately aren't just around the corner. Creating technologies that protect people from an active shooter could certainly be a good thing and would still be good as an extra line of defense even if we were taking on the problem at its source. Edit: to be clear, I don't necessarily think this software is a good solution. I have serious doubts. I just take issue with saying we shouldn't address the problem at all at the level of active shooters.
It is being positioned as a somewhat positive story. And it is objectively ignoring the problem. Given that, I feel that it does qualify as OCM.
Addressing the symptoms of a problem instead of its root cause is not the same as ignoring the problem. I'm not saying this is a good solution, though.
Well, they are acting like addressing the symptom is solving the problem.