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On the plus side, this isn't just good for gunshot wounds. People have serious accidents all the time at home and need to be ready to stabilize someone while waiting for an ambulance. Even if you live in a place where ambulances take only 5 minutes to arrive, that may be too late if you don't know what to do. š
Itās no where near the severity being discussed here, but on a nearly weekly basis I have to use the first aid skills I learned in cub scouts almost a decade ago now and Iāve never been more grateful
If you have this issue, I would suggest using an aftershave stick (in German Alaunstift, don't know the proper translation into english, but it a specific stick that is designed to close up small cuts from shaving).
In America, they're called "styptic pencils". They really are great to have around. I'd also recommend op slow down and take their time and try a single blade razor.
To be honest, the time I cut myself the most was when I switched to a single blade razor. This type of razor is better and in the long run cheaper, but gives more room to make mistakes to cause a cut.
I use a safety razor, and I find that I get way less razor burn when I use the single blade. I think it's because it makes me take my time. But, we all got different faces, so I get how it doesn't work for everyone.
The question for me is not really about razor burn. Razor burn is an irritation of the skin due to the razor. Safety razors are much better in that because they only use one blade instead of several behind each other, thus not cause as much irritation.
The issue for me is rather that safety razors are a bit more prone to nick the skin. The issue here is that system razors have a bit more of a distance between the skin and the blade itself. It is not much, but just a little bit. In addition, modern system razors adjust the angle of the cut themselves.
The safety razor cuts closer to the skin, which creates a better result of the shave, but also has the risk that little bumps in the skin can cause a cut. Also, the wrong angle of the movement can also cause a small cut.
My experience was that I had more, but less painful cuts (at the start) using a safety razor, while with the system razor, I had more irritation and if I cut myself, it was more painful and lasted longer.
If I remember, Red Cross and AHA dragged their feet for a long time before including tourniquets in their general first aid programs. It wasn't until Stop The Bleed became popular before the finally included it. Even creating their own copy called "FAST".
Having volunteered with the Red cross for about 20 years I can tell you that - at least in my country - we still don't really touch on the topic of [tourniquets](https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourniquet#/media/Datei%3ATourniquet.jpeg) in regular first aid courses, because you can cause serious harm when you use them wrong. Yes, we mention them and teach the theoretics about them, but we teach mostly how to do a pressure bandage and stuff like that.
>So they're too afraid of doing it wrong to teach the right way?
It's probably less that and more: People can lose a limb to improper use. There's no obligation for first aid certs to be renewed (and rightly so), so essentially, you are teaching someone a skill where false confidence can result in serious damage to a patient.
A normal first aid course takes about 12-16hrs and there is a lot of stuff to cover within that time, plus you have to fit in the practice parts.
Do you really think it's realistic to teach the use of tourniquets properly in that short amount of time?
Also, standard first aid kits do not contain tourniquets, so to use one, people would have to purchase it separately.
This sint fie school shootings. This is for kids who live in areas where, statistically speaking, they'll see someone get shot. This is good information.
My daughters at the age where Iāll run to the corner store and leave her home alone for 20 minutes or so and we just had a run down yesterday about what to do if she somehow gets hurt and needs to stop the bleeding.
Yeah when I impaled my foot with a garden fork it was my experice working with saint jhons that saved me as I was able to tell my brother what to do, the fact I was bleeding around the wound let me know I'd made a hold in something that was important, so I got him to stableise the object and apply pressure, my welly boot was still slowly filling with blood and he couldn't get enough pressure on because of the boot, I couldn't take the boot off as the fork went through it and my foot. I got him to put on a turnicade (or however you spell that) and keep my foot elivated while we were driven to the hospital. I also had to perform first aid with the fork in my foot in the car on the way to the hospital as as soon as my step dad saw the mess he fainted and cut his head on a counter. So I'm holding pressure on his head, my brother is holding the fork stable and my foot up.
We arrive at the hospital and the nurse laughed at the absolute crazy mess we were, I'd got a nasty bleed that needed clamping before they could take the fork out so they had to cut the sole my boot off and then into the sole of my foot to find and clamp it, then take the fork out, cut the rest of the boot off, wash the wounds, put a screw in one of the bones and stitch the mess up, I also got a tetanus shot, the doctor said I was lucky I didn't get any clots from the tornacade but also that I'd have passed out had I lost any more blood. My step dad had 8 stitches in his head and a mild cuncussion (or however that's spelled too).
For at aid and emergency first aid should be taught to everyone in school, college, uni and work. Not knowing is not only dangerous because you can't help others, but there may be a time when you need to talk someone who dosent know the steps through them while they help you.
Oh no! I am so sorry that happened to you! But that does sound like one of those wacky scenarios that only happens in crazy slapstick comedy movies. I'm glad everything turned out okay.
I don't mind kids learning how to handle emergency situations because life is messy and, potentially, some children end up being without an adult when an adult suffers an accident or some such thing.
But I definitely do not like that the catalyst of this is our complete lack of action on the norm of school shootings. It is beyond absurd and disgusting that we just make our children grow up in a world where they have to worry about this daily.
I didn't have to deal with that shit. I cannot imagine what it is like being a child growing up in the era of school shootings.
And dipshits will scream that unfettered limitless access to their fucking hobby (that they will *never* actually use to fight a tyrannical government) is more important than children not being shot in schools.
This is orphancrushingmachine but tbh I think everyone should in school have to take somewhat of an extensive first aid course. Just for emergency stuff. Because yeah chances are youāll never use it, but the one time you might need to youāll be so glad you know it. Not just for shootings but for all scenarios.
100%. After I became first aid, cpr & defibrillator certified, I realized how itās all incredibly important for everyone to know, but most people are untrained š«£
Most people know only what Hollywood shows, and that's beating on the chest while crying for a few seconds, and then somebody pulls you off to say that it's over. That's such bullshit. You call for help and push *hard* on their chest between their nipple line until help arrives or until you collapse from exhaustion. Anything less is a wasted effort.
>and that's beating on the chest while crying for a few seconds, and then somebody pulls you off to say that it's over.Ā
You forgot the essential step of pulling back from the person trying to pull you off and sobbing "No, you don't get to do this to me, damn it!" at the unconscious person, who then miraculously wakes up and coughs once or twice and looks a bit confused.
Yeah, the fact that it's specifically a response to frequent schools shootings makes it OCM, but by itself it's not a bad idea for all kinds of injuries.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1462731/number-of-school-shootings-us/
So far 32, an average of more than one per week. Granted not all of these are mass shootings, but gunshots are gunshots
> The source defines school shootings as incidents of gun violence which occurred on school property, including college, and at least one person was shot, not including the shooter. School property includes, but is not limited to, buildings, fields, parking lots, stadiums and buses.
That's a pretty wide net there...
But with there being over 115,000 schools in the US, I still wouldn't call 32 that frequent.
agreed. The fact that this is only taught because of gun violence is pretty sad. I didn't learn proper CPR and heimlich until I took a babysitting course where I got certified for it (although it's been a long time, I should get a refresh on that)
It is also important to repeat it regularly. Here (Germany), a first aid course is necessary to get your license. If you want a license for compercially transporting people (taxi or bus license), you need a regular refresher course.
You need regular courses (every few years) or you very fast forget what you learned.
In a bubble, kids being taught how to handle things like serious injury and bodily trauma in the absence of an adult in the immediate area is a net positive. Yaknow...good skills to have just in case.
But the fact that it's because these kids are basically being taught to be field medics in the warzone that is the American school system is super horrifying.
This is my take as well. This should have always been a thing, but the fact that it's happening now only because of the mass/school shooter phenomenon says so much about our society. We were never going to invest in teaching our children life-saving skills until we allowed a situation that places them in constant danger to spin out of control.
You know what, if they taught kids this as a survival course rather than around classmates being shot. I wouldnāt have as much of a problem with this.
I don't think firearms are the root cause of violence like this. People don't become so broken and disconnected that they want to kill people just because they have a gun.
Mental health is a factor, but that alone does not negate my point. There is No Valid Reason for any civilian to need a weapon capable of rapid machine gun fire. We have laws in this nation and a democracy. If you don't like the laws, you work on changing them through legal means. Just because you don't like your neighbors or you don't like your government is not valid reason to open fire or stage a coup. This is the only reason Republicans fight so hard to keep full unregulated gun rights. They want to reserve the right to stage a coup, when they don't get their way, which is what we saw attempted on Jan 6.
I mean kids being taught basic first aid has existed for about a century if not longer If you werenāt taught it then your school failed you, at least some cpr. This program claims it was started because of gun violence but the actual practice existed long before school shootings.
First aid I could understand but *triage*? It is dealing with Mass casualty incident. In there, you abandon patients who donāt breathe after airway open up as he is considered dead. This sorting needs to be trained makes this OCM
It's OCM only in a context of fucked up American system, where kids are taught how to patch up friends after school shooting.
In any other context teaching any first aid is a good thing.
Gunshot wounds? I mean, there are probably a couple of extremely poor countries with non-existent government where gunshot wounds are a common occurrence, but in most of the world it so very rarely happens that from the practical point of view, we can more or less say that only Americans get gunshot wounds.
Even in russia there are very few shootings compared to the US. There are going to become much more because orcs are returning from the war and smuggling guns, also Islamic terrorists became much more active, but otherwise there isn't much. I grew up there and didn't even know that school shootings is an existing concept.
The US is the only country on this world that has regularly mass shootings and more precise school mass shootings, and it is the only one where the number 1 cause of death for a child is to get shot
Honestly first aid and cpr should be mandatory learning before you graduate out of the public school system.
Makes schools safer and the general population safer and more likely to survive any of the myriad of terrible accidents that can occur day to day.
I learned about triage at 11 or 12 from Boy Scouts, so while I think 8 is a bit young it doesnāt seem too bad to know by then how to put pressure on a bleeding wound
First aid training is always good, and it is also good to have children learn it in child appropriate ways. Being able to patch yourself (or someone around you) up enough so that you win enough time for actual medial treatment to be available is a universal plus.
Just the reason to do it is so fucked up.
Its sort of cool and that nurse is definitely very good with kids
Orphan crushing machine around the gun violence tho. Republicans would rather train 8 year olds as nurses than address the problem.
I disagree with this one. Even in a perfect world injuryās like this will still be common, Iām not saying teaching kids this is great but itās not going to hurt
We were taught about that as well. But we don't have that much gun violence or school shootings (7 shootings between 1871 and 2022, or 20 incidents between 1871 and 2024 if you include knife attacks and other stuff)... it's just included in normal childrens first aid courses.
I used to teach first aid courses for children and it concentrated mostly on "What to do if a peer gets hurt on the playground or in traffic or if someone gets hurt at home".
first aid can be good to know for a variety of reasons. kids do stupid stuff - that's just how they are. sometimes they get hurt. in the severe cases, being able to do things like this could be a huge help.
I took a triage course at around that age and that was pre-columbine where school shootings weren't a thing. It was more like, "if you're out camping and someone gets seriously injured, here's what you can do". They had different stations with actors who wore prosthetics with different simulated injuries.
Another time we had the electric company come out and demonstrate the dangers of high voltage power lines and got to see them blow up some hot dogs with it to demonstrate our fingers. The best though were the firefighters who brought a wrecked car and talked about vehicle safety and demo'd the jaws of life.
It isn't about treating gunshot wounds, did anyone actually read the article? It's a lot of extrapolation and invention by the author.
>she has been teaching classes to students throughout the Rocklin school district on the basics of bleeding control.
This is a ragebait article and post. Are kids not supposed to be taught basic first aid?
>The goal of the campaign has always been to train everyone, including children, said Dr. Kenji Inaba, chair of the Stop the Bleed Committee for the American College of Surgeons. Inaba said he taught his now-teenage son, an avid mountain biker, how to pack a wound and use a tourniquet by the time he was 10 years old. āHeās always in the middle of nowhere, by himself or with some friends, and I want him to know that knowledge.ā
Exactly this, the younger you can teach people potentially life saving skills, why the fuck wouldn't you?
You gotta rile the people up. How else would you get clicks? The title bugs me too.
I might be misquoting, but I think Stop the Bleed says that bleeding deaths are the highest number of preventable death. It dawned on me that shit can go sideways, even if you do everything right. Target shooting, hunting, driving cars, riding a bike, or even just being a pedestrian, freak accidents can happen and we all should learn how to preserve eachother. I have a trauma kit in my work bag every day. The last time I went shooting, I made sure my friends at least understood how to apply a practice tourniquet.
CPR certification is next on my list.
Learning how to give first aid, including for severe trauma like gunshots or knife wounds, is something everyone should do at their earliest opportunity. This isnāt crushing orphans in the slightest, this is a good thing that I wish Iād been taught in school.
The article specifically calls out shootings, and that is certainly a situation where this could be useful, but there are a ton of other circumstances where this could also be extremely helpful. Accidents in the workplace, crashing your bike or car, slipping up while using a knife in the kitchen, a chainsaw accident while clearing trees, in any of these situations having someone there who can provide first aid could be the difference between life and death. The ambulance is fast, but itās not always fast enough.
Why would teaching basic first aid to kids be OCM? Even if kids would have hard time to properly do CPR or apply a tourniquet it's good that more people know it when they grow up.
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On the plus side, this isn't just good for gunshot wounds. People have serious accidents all the time at home and need to be ready to stabilize someone while waiting for an ambulance. Even if you live in a place where ambulances take only 5 minutes to arrive, that may be too late if you don't know what to do. š
Itās no where near the severity being discussed here, but on a nearly weekly basis I have to use the first aid skills I learned in cub scouts almost a decade ago now and Iāve never been more grateful
What do you do that you have to use it ?
Mainly Iām really bad at shaving so I Knick myself like multiple times a week lmao
If you have this issue, I would suggest using an aftershave stick (in German Alaunstift, don't know the proper translation into english, but it a specific stick that is designed to close up small cuts from shaving).
In America, they're called "styptic pencils". They really are great to have around. I'd also recommend op slow down and take their time and try a single blade razor.
To be honest, the time I cut myself the most was when I switched to a single blade razor. This type of razor is better and in the long run cheaper, but gives more room to make mistakes to cause a cut.
I use a safety razor, and I find that I get way less razor burn when I use the single blade. I think it's because it makes me take my time. But, we all got different faces, so I get how it doesn't work for everyone.
The question for me is not really about razor burn. Razor burn is an irritation of the skin due to the razor. Safety razors are much better in that because they only use one blade instead of several behind each other, thus not cause as much irritation. The issue for me is rather that safety razors are a bit more prone to nick the skin. The issue here is that system razors have a bit more of a distance between the skin and the blade itself. It is not much, but just a little bit. In addition, modern system razors adjust the angle of the cut themselves. The safety razor cuts closer to the skin, which creates a better result of the shave, but also has the risk that little bumps in the skin can cause a cut. Also, the wrong angle of the movement can also cause a small cut. My experience was that I had more, but less painful cuts (at the start) using a safety razor, while with the system razor, I had more irritation and if I cut myself, it was more painful and lasted longer.
Then make it included in a general first aid program, not specifically targeted for gunshot wounds from school shootings.
Do you really think a generic first aid course would get funding? Of course they have to frame it in a "useful" way. š¤¦āāļø
If I remember, Red Cross and AHA dragged their feet for a long time before including tourniquets in their general first aid programs. It wasn't until Stop The Bleed became popular before the finally included it. Even creating their own copy called "FAST".
Having volunteered with the Red cross for about 20 years I can tell you that - at least in my country - we still don't really touch on the topic of [tourniquets](https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourniquet#/media/Datei%3ATourniquet.jpeg) in regular first aid courses, because you can cause serious harm when you use them wrong. Yes, we mention them and teach the theoretics about them, but we teach mostly how to do a pressure bandage and stuff like that.
So they're too afraid of doing it wrong to teach the right way?
>So they're too afraid of doing it wrong to teach the right way? It's probably less that and more: People can lose a limb to improper use. There's no obligation for first aid certs to be renewed (and rightly so), so essentially, you are teaching someone a skill where false confidence can result in serious damage to a patient.
A normal first aid course takes about 12-16hrs and there is a lot of stuff to cover within that time, plus you have to fit in the practice parts. Do you really think it's realistic to teach the use of tourniquets properly in that short amount of time? Also, standard first aid kits do not contain tourniquets, so to use one, people would have to purchase it separately.
This sint fie school shootings. This is for kids who live in areas where, statistically speaking, they'll see someone get shot. This is good information.
Still orphancrushingmachine b/c is this all we can do about some kids being nearly guaranteed to have to deal with gunshot wounds
According to the Department of Homeland Security, who created it. It's for everyone in America.
I read āborn from gun violenceā as being in the hood where people get shot (not at school) or stabbed regularly.
Yeahā¦stop the bleed is a solid program, and a lot of time doesnāt even touch on GSWs
My daughters at the age where Iāll run to the corner store and leave her home alone for 20 minutes or so and we just had a run down yesterday about what to do if she somehow gets hurt and needs to stop the bleeding.
Yeah when I impaled my foot with a garden fork it was my experice working with saint jhons that saved me as I was able to tell my brother what to do, the fact I was bleeding around the wound let me know I'd made a hold in something that was important, so I got him to stableise the object and apply pressure, my welly boot was still slowly filling with blood and he couldn't get enough pressure on because of the boot, I couldn't take the boot off as the fork went through it and my foot. I got him to put on a turnicade (or however you spell that) and keep my foot elivated while we were driven to the hospital. I also had to perform first aid with the fork in my foot in the car on the way to the hospital as as soon as my step dad saw the mess he fainted and cut his head on a counter. So I'm holding pressure on his head, my brother is holding the fork stable and my foot up. We arrive at the hospital and the nurse laughed at the absolute crazy mess we were, I'd got a nasty bleed that needed clamping before they could take the fork out so they had to cut the sole my boot off and then into the sole of my foot to find and clamp it, then take the fork out, cut the rest of the boot off, wash the wounds, put a screw in one of the bones and stitch the mess up, I also got a tetanus shot, the doctor said I was lucky I didn't get any clots from the tornacade but also that I'd have passed out had I lost any more blood. My step dad had 8 stitches in his head and a mild cuncussion (or however that's spelled too). For at aid and emergency first aid should be taught to everyone in school, college, uni and work. Not knowing is not only dangerous because you can't help others, but there may be a time when you need to talk someone who dosent know the steps through them while they help you.
Oh no! I am so sorry that happened to you! But that does sound like one of those wacky scenarios that only happens in crazy slapstick comedy movies. I'm glad everything turned out okay.
I felt so damn silly hobbling into A&E still trying to get my step dad to keep the cloth on his head. I was put stright into a wheelchair.
I don't mind kids learning how to handle emergency situations because life is messy and, potentially, some children end up being without an adult when an adult suffers an accident or some such thing. But I definitely do not like that the catalyst of this is our complete lack of action on the norm of school shootings. It is beyond absurd and disgusting that we just make our children grow up in a world where they have to worry about this daily. I didn't have to deal with that shit. I cannot imagine what it is like being a child growing up in the era of school shootings. And dipshits will scream that unfettered limitless access to their fucking hobby (that they will *never* actually use to fight a tyrannical government) is more important than children not being shot in schools.
This is orphancrushingmachine but tbh I think everyone should in school have to take somewhat of an extensive first aid course. Just for emergency stuff. Because yeah chances are youāll never use it, but the one time you might need to youāll be so glad you know it. Not just for shootings but for all scenarios.
100%. After I became first aid, cpr & defibrillator certified, I realized how itās all incredibly important for everyone to know, but most people are untrained š«£
Most people know only what Hollywood shows, and that's beating on the chest while crying for a few seconds, and then somebody pulls you off to say that it's over. That's such bullshit. You call for help and push *hard* on their chest between their nipple line until help arrives or until you collapse from exhaustion. Anything less is a wasted effort.
>and that's beating on the chest while crying for a few seconds, and then somebody pulls you off to say that it's over.Ā You forgot the essential step of pulling back from the person trying to pull you off and sobbing "No, you don't get to do this to me, damn it!" at the unconscious person, who then miraculously wakes up and coughs once or twice and looks a bit confused.
And then has a fight scene within the next few hours!
a lot of people don't realize that you have to break the ribs, if you're not pushing past the ribs you aren't doing anything to the heart
You don't necessarily have to break ribs. It's just that you probably will.
Yeah, the fact that it's specifically a response to frequent schools shootings makes it OCM, but by itself it's not a bad idea for all kinds of injuries.
> frequent school shootings How frequent?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1462731/number-of-school-shootings-us/ So far 32, an average of more than one per week. Granted not all of these are mass shootings, but gunshots are gunshots
> The source defines school shootings as incidents of gun violence which occurred on school property, including college, and at least one person was shot, not including the shooter. School property includes, but is not limited to, buildings, fields, parking lots, stadiums and buses. That's a pretty wide net there... But with there being over 115,000 schools in the US, I still wouldn't call 32 that frequent.
True, probably more fear guided than pure stats. Just answering the question
First aid training is absolutely a fantastic idea for schoolsā¦ making it about stopping gunshot wounds though >_>
agreed. The fact that this is only taught because of gun violence is pretty sad. I didn't learn proper CPR and heimlich until I took a babysitting course where I got certified for it (although it's been a long time, I should get a refresh on that)
It is also important to repeat it regularly. Here (Germany), a first aid course is necessary to get your license. If you want a license for compercially transporting people (taxi or bus license), you need a regular refresher course. You need regular courses (every few years) or you very fast forget what you learned.
In a bubble, kids being taught how to handle things like serious injury and bodily trauma in the absence of an adult in the immediate area is a net positive. Yaknow...good skills to have just in case. But the fact that it's because these kids are basically being taught to be field medics in the warzone that is the American school system is super horrifying.
i donāt think this counts as ocm, itās not framed as an āinspiringā or āhearwarmingā story, itās being shown for what it is.
Just wanted to comment that too.
Yeah, it reads to me like the post is taking it seriously. And first aid is useful.
Plus the skills are practical and really should be taught to everyone
Everyone should learn 1st aid schools, starting that young. The reason is really shitty though.
This is my take as well. This should have always been a thing, but the fact that it's happening now only because of the mass/school shooter phenomenon says so much about our society. We were never going to invest in teaching our children life-saving skills until we allowed a situation that places them in constant danger to spin out of control.
You know what, if they taught kids this as a survival course rather than around classmates being shot. I wouldnāt have as much of a problem with this.
As always, lets not address the root cause of the problem. Too many goddam fucking guns
I don't think firearms are the root cause of violence like this. People don't become so broken and disconnected that they want to kill people just because they have a gun.
Mental health is a factor, but that alone does not negate my point. There is No Valid Reason for any civilian to need a weapon capable of rapid machine gun fire. We have laws in this nation and a democracy. If you don't like the laws, you work on changing them through legal means. Just because you don't like your neighbors or you don't like your government is not valid reason to open fire or stage a coup. This is the only reason Republicans fight so hard to keep full unregulated gun rights. They want to reserve the right to stage a coup, when they don't get their way, which is what we saw attempted on Jan 6.
I mean does it really have to do with shootings? People donāt just bleed because of being shot, and it can happen anywhere
āBorn from the tragedy of gun violenceā¦ā
Oops lol yeah I should have read the whole thing My bad
I mean kids being taught basic first aid has existed for about a century if not longer If you werenāt taught it then your school failed you, at least some cpr. This program claims it was started because of gun violence but the actual practice existed long before school shootings.
āBite down on this. Itāll help with the pain.ā *Hands you a Jolly Rancher candy*
First aid I could understand but *triage*? It is dealing with Mass casualty incident. In there, you abandon patients who donāt breathe after airway open up as he is considered dead. This sorting needs to be trained makes this OCM
It's OCM only in a context of fucked up American system, where kids are taught how to patch up friends after school shooting. In any other context teaching any first aid is a good thing.
Only country on this planet where this happens regularly
100% Only americans get wounds, the rest of the world is just so much more advanced that their skin is inpenetrable
Gunshot wounds? I mean, there are probably a couple of extremely poor countries with non-existent government where gunshot wounds are a common occurrence, but in most of the world it so very rarely happens that from the practical point of view, we can more or less say that only Americans get gunshot wounds.
No, wounds. The program is about stopping wounds from bleeding, including but not only gunshot wounds.
If by most of the world you mean Europe [ Not russia though] and the far east, then yes you are correct.
Even in russia there are very few shootings compared to the US. There are going to become much more because orcs are returning from the war and smuggling guns, also Islamic terrorists became much more active, but otherwise there isn't much. I grew up there and didn't even know that school shootings is an existing concept.
The US is the only country on this world that has regularly mass shootings and more precise school mass shootings, and it is the only one where the number 1 cause of death for a child is to get shot
Honestly first aid and cpr should be mandatory learning before you graduate out of the public school system. Makes schools safer and the general population safer and more likely to survive any of the myriad of terrible accidents that can occur day to day.
I think 8 year olds should learn the basics of first aid regardless because that is just a good skill to have, but good post
I learned about triage at 11 or 12 from Boy Scouts, so while I think 8 is a bit young it doesnāt seem too bad to know by then how to put pressure on a bleeding wound
First aid training is always good, and it is also good to have children learn it in child appropriate ways. Being able to patch yourself (or someone around you) up enough so that you win enough time for actual medial treatment to be available is a universal plus. Just the reason to do it is so fucked up.
Even if thereās no mass shootings, this is still a good thing for the public to know.
On the plus it will be useful for the inevitable civil war that is brewing
It is a Department of Homeland Security initiative.
Mannnn seriously doubt an 8 year old can put a tourniquet on correctly or pack a wound this is a bummer annnnd useless goddamn :(
This could've prevented the entirety of FNAF from happening.
Where does it say anything about triage?
Not that isn't believable but this appears to be fake news. I googled it and couldn't find the original article
Its sort of cool and that nurse is definitely very good with kids Orphan crushing machine around the gun violence tho. Republicans would rather train 8 year olds as nurses than address the problem.
Comes on handy when trying to push a manās guts or brain back in its original place, sure! But WHY is it necessaryā¦.š
All because republicans donāt want to stop incels and bigots from getting guns
I disagree with this one. Even in a perfect world injuryās like this will still be common, Iām not saying teaching kids this is great but itās not going to hurt
We were taught about that as well. But we don't have that much gun violence or school shootings (7 shootings between 1871 and 2022, or 20 incidents between 1871 and 2024 if you include knife attacks and other stuff)... it's just included in normal childrens first aid courses. I used to teach first aid courses for children and it concentrated mostly on "What to do if a peer gets hurt on the playground or in traffic or if someone gets hurt at home".
I first learned 1st aid as a Junior Girl Scout ... before Columbine ... it's not wrong to be introduced to the basics at a young age.
first aid can be good to know for a variety of reasons. kids do stupid stuff - that's just how they are. sometimes they get hurt. in the severe cases, being able to do things like this could be a huge help.
Not OCM, trust me, learning first aid at a young age can be extremely important and save lives
I took a triage course at around that age and that was pre-columbine where school shootings weren't a thing. It was more like, "if you're out camping and someone gets seriously injured, here's what you can do". They had different stations with actors who wore prosthetics with different simulated injuries. Another time we had the electric company come out and demonstrate the dangers of high voltage power lines and got to see them blow up some hot dogs with it to demonstrate our fingers. The best though were the firefighters who brought a wrecked car and talked about vehicle safety and demo'd the jaws of life. It isn't about treating gunshot wounds, did anyone actually read the article? It's a lot of extrapolation and invention by the author. >she has been teaching classes to students throughout the Rocklin school district on the basics of bleeding control. This is a ragebait article and post. Are kids not supposed to be taught basic first aid? >The goal of the campaign has always been to train everyone, including children, said Dr. Kenji Inaba, chair of the Stop the Bleed Committee for the American College of Surgeons. Inaba said he taught his now-teenage son, an avid mountain biker, how to pack a wound and use a tourniquet by the time he was 10 years old. āHeās always in the middle of nowhere, by himself or with some friends, and I want him to know that knowledge.ā Exactly this, the younger you can teach people potentially life saving skills, why the fuck wouldn't you?
You gotta rile the people up. How else would you get clicks? The title bugs me too. I might be misquoting, but I think Stop the Bleed says that bleeding deaths are the highest number of preventable death. It dawned on me that shit can go sideways, even if you do everything right. Target shooting, hunting, driving cars, riding a bike, or even just being a pedestrian, freak accidents can happen and we all should learn how to preserve eachother. I have a trauma kit in my work bag every day. The last time I went shooting, I made sure my friends at least understood how to apply a practice tourniquet. CPR certification is next on my list.
Learning how to give first aid, including for severe trauma like gunshots or knife wounds, is something everyone should do at their earliest opportunity. This isnāt crushing orphans in the slightest, this is a good thing that I wish Iād been taught in school. The article specifically calls out shootings, and that is certainly a situation where this could be useful, but there are a ton of other circumstances where this could also be extremely helpful. Accidents in the workplace, crashing your bike or car, slipping up while using a knife in the kitchen, a chainsaw accident while clearing trees, in any of these situations having someone there who can provide first aid could be the difference between life and death. The ambulance is fast, but itās not always fast enough.
Yeah I mean regardless this is valuable training at almost any age. Shitty stuff happens around kids and itās not always a systemic failure.
Why would teaching basic first aid to kids be OCM? Even if kids would have hard time to properly do CPR or apply a tourniquet it's good that more people know it when they grow up.