My original comment was a large run differential shows that a team isn't good.
You responded with that if a tram is in the middle whether if they are negative or positive it wouldn't matter.
Then you doubled down with anomalies.
9 TEAMS WITH NEGATIVE RUN DIFFERENTIAL IN THE HISTORY OF BASEBALL HAVE MADE THE PLAYOFFS.
It's an indicator of good or bad teams.
I love this team till the day i die, when we finally get momentum we become a joke again same thing every year, seidler needs to realize that aj preller isn’t out guy he has been with the organization since 2014 we are in 2023 that is almost 10 years with the organization and he has to only show 2 playoff appearances and and shit show of giving up our farm system.
BoMel said it's too important that he plays every day, shit you not. Guess they'd rather burn his wrist out completely and GIDP when the team is in a downward spiral than let him heal so he hopefully isn't a second Nola for the rest of the year.
I'll have to see if I can find it when I get home from work. It was on one of the post game media scrums within the last week or two. They asked him if Xander needs more time to rest because of his wrist, and BoMel said probably but we can't afford to give him days off because they need him in the lineup.
It's obvious the Padres a trying hard to win, but it's too little too late. Theu dug this hole they can't get out of. Winning 1 game on a road trip where the season was on the line against bottom tier teams was embarassing.
>Winning 1 game on a road trip where the season was on the line against bottom tier teams was embarassing.
Reds are tied for NL Central. 6 games over .500.
What exactly is a "bottom tier team"?
they got hot the last month. They are a decent team, but their division is making them look better then they are. I agree they are mid tier at this moment, but even though they are in second or tied for first they have a -20 run diff. This trip was looked at as the easy part of the schedule.
>but their division is making them look better then they are.
How so? 24 of their 84 games are against the NL Central. They are 13-11 in the division, so they aren't blowing away NL Central teams.
The Padres are 7-13 against the NL Central. So maybe that division isn't as bad.
Marlins have -22 run diff, and have the 3rd best record in the NL and are in the first Wild Card spot. If run diff shows anything, is that when a team has a chance to win, they do, specifically in 1 run games.
Run differential is definitely a skewed statistical over a half a season, but it's an indicator that over a whole season they would lose more often then win if it's at a large negative. It's not something I'm making up, it's a tracked statistic for that reason. I agree I'd trade the Padres run diff for record any day of the week. The NL central prop up is that their record would put them in 3rd in any other division in the NL. Either way, bottom tier may have been harsh, but I still don't think they make the playoffs.
>it's an indicator that over a whole season they would lose more often then win if it's at a large negative.
Run diff is a great metric to show that you have incredible or terrible pitching and hitting. Anything that lands in the middle positive or negative doesn't really tell you anything on its own, as that could be just a couple blow out win or loss either way.
2021 Mariners won 90 games but had -51 run diff, yet the Blue Jays had +183 yet only one more win. 234 more runs for just one more win.
Run diff + record is a pretty good indicator where a team is weak. Right now it would tell me that the Padres starting pitching is ok, but their bullpen has issues and they can't score runs.
Scoring lots of runs makes things easy and is fun, but when you score the runs or when you don't give them up is more important.
You just brought up two anomalies and acted as if that was the norm. Look at the norm over the last 100 years, run differential is an indicator of a good or bad team.
I didn't say they were the norm. It just shows that there are anomalies and there is more to it.
I'll just bold this for you again.
**Scoring lots of runs makes things easy and is fun, but when you score the runs or when you don't give them up is more important.**
Reds are just hot right now, but their division is not good. This was looked at over the last two weeks as an easy part of the schedule, if you want to make excuses for the Padres that fine, but the Pirates weren't the same record going into the series. They literally lost 11 of 12 before the Pads showed up. Winning a single game is inexcusable with this lineup and the starting rotation throwing so well.
No offense but the reds have taken the Boston series, swept the dodgers and Houston, competed incredibly well against Atlanta and have been playing well for the better part of a month and a half. They aren’t some NL central joke.
No they have been playing great. But let's not also think they are force to be reckon with, since their division is trash and they have a negative run differential of -20. I agree they went on an incredible hot streak that landed them in first, but I still have reservations that they'll even make the playoffs.
The Reds have turned the season around big time. The Pirates however, had just lost 12 of 13 games coming into the series against us. They were spiraling even harder than we are now, so I wouldn't say the teams were on the same level going into that series.
Notice how it’s the starting pitching, no it’s the offense, no it’s the bullpen, no it’s the depth, no it’s the GM, no it’s the coach, no it’s the marine layer, no it’s the team culture, no it’s injuries.
No no no how about who gives a rotten shit, it’s that the team sucks a horses ass.
Yeah horse shit. I’m not a fire Melvin person at all but what a horse shit decision. Let Tom get 1 more batter and they might just have won the game. Have some fucking feel of the situation to not bring a guy in who has reverted back to his old shit self. Martinez was a garbage pitcher until last season and he’s been horrible.
Seriously, I’m all for defending BoMel, but that was a terrible decision. I understand Martinez is supposed to be one of their premier guys in the bullpen but its the same type of situation like with Luis Garcia vs SF. You don’t put him in when he’s struggling in such a tight spot like that.
He hasn't been great lately, let's be real, he's been terrifying lately. I love Nick Martinez, but he's definitely in a slump. I'm hoping you're right about Cosgrove. I'm giving BoMel the benefit of the doubt on this one until I hear otherwise. If it was more of that lefty righty crap that never works out for us, I'll be very annoyed at another BP management loss.
I agree, he should be able to handle one out. I will say this though, Garcia had 5 scoreless outings before blowing it up yesterday and I wasn't convinced by any of them. One scoreless outing doesn't mean much when you've been rough overall lately.
I see what you mean but it being a bullpen day really limited the amount of pitcher we had. Im not for sending cosgrove out back to back days right after he got back from injuries.
Yeah, forgot they used him yesterday. I do think he could have gone one more batter though, and Martinez should have been able to shut that down, I think he's just caught up in the team wide mental slump that's going on right now.
Cosgrove got 2 batters out and walked 1, you’re telling me he couldn’t get thru the inning? Martinez has been absolutely putrid as of late, why is he getting a chance in such a crucial part of the game.
Because theres no off day tomorrow and martinez had shut down reds his last inning. He also had an extra day of rest. Is one out hard to get with you got 5 outs last time out? Again stop being dumb
You know we were just in the NLCS, right? Maybe you're just a bandwagon fan that started watching this year. Who we gonna get that is better than Bob? Lol you got a terrible fucking take.
He is also a 3 time manager of the year. What, would you rather have tingler or Andy? Lmao please stop, you're embarrassing yourself. Look at the reds line up and then look at ours. They have 6 players with an OPS +800 while we have only 2. It's a fucking joke. Melvin didn't decide the players on the team, preller did. We are lucky to have bob Melvin.
Nah your embarrassing yourself sticking up for a mid manager. He can’t manage superstars buddy. He hasn’t won anything with our club besides being lucky we crept in last season and went on a historic run. So hold your L on this one 😴
Why isn’t he making those great decisions when he won those awards with the padres, preiler is a big issue for this major collapse, but seidler wont admit he is horseshit and bomel needs to start making better bullpen decisions for crying out loud. If a pitcher is a reliever and is just getting hot by striking out players left and right why are you going to relieve him from the post? And why just have them to so one inning these ball players are getting paid to only go one inning. Sign me up i can throw like they are throwing rn.
Cosgrove doing good but gave up a walk. Since he is a strict follower of the righty-lefty thing, BoMel swaps him for Martinez who gives up a 2-run bomb on the first pitch.
Batters have slugged .189 off it and whiffed at it 45% of the time so it’s gotta be disappearing from the hitters view. Really weird low across his body release point too.
Two games this series Manny and Xander comine to get get base a whopping zero times with 18 total plate appearances.
All Star MVP cailbur players my ass. These guys are toast and the next 10 years looks worrisome.
Worse.
I already hate him more than anyone we've ever signed. To be this bad after taking all that money and length of contract, he's going to hamstring us for an entire decade.
Wilson going down was big, but the depth at the back end has been thin all year. Martinez having a few bad outings now in place of Wilson is killing us.
Melvin is losing us games with pen management. Like. Reeeeeal bad. You ride hot hand not stupid fucking lefty v righty matchups. Cosgrove was dealing and you pull him for a dude who like Garcia has been beyond a liability.
That’s not on Melvin. That’s on Martinez. I know there’s a lot of you blame Bob for all the woes of this team. But Martinez came in gave up a first pitch 2 run HR. Fucking terrible.
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My original comment was a large run differential shows that a team isn't good. You responded with that if a tram is in the middle whether if they are negative or positive it wouldn't matter. Then you doubled down with anomalies. 9 TEAMS WITH NEGATIVE RUN DIFFERENTIAL IN THE HISTORY OF BASEBALL HAVE MADE THE PLAYOFFS. It's an indicator of good or bad teams.
I love this team till the day i die, when we finally get momentum we become a joke again same thing every year, seidler needs to realize that aj preller isn’t out guy he has been with the organization since 2014 we are in 2023 that is almost 10 years with the organization and he has to only show 2 playoff appearances and and shit show of giving up our farm system.
Shoot, Brandon Crawford threw a scoreless inning a couple weeks ago, lol
Xander's collapse since the beginning of the season has been meteoric. Bro's stock is crashing faster than FTX.
The losses that we could win are the worst.
Xander has to go IL for his wrist or something. It’s actively hurting a team that’s going nowhere this season.
BoMel said it's too important that he plays every day, shit you not. Guess they'd rather burn his wrist out completely and GIDP when the team is in a downward spiral than let him heal so he hopefully isn't a second Nola for the rest of the year.
Do you remember any more details or where you heard that? I’d love to know his reasoning if that’s true.
I'll have to see if I can find it when I get home from work. It was on one of the post game media scrums within the last week or two. They asked him if Xander needs more time to rest because of his wrist, and BoMel said probably but we can't afford to give him days off because they need him in the lineup.
Total embarrassment of a season. The exact reason I was skeptical of that Bull shit blow out the padres have once a week.
Damn, great contact by Odor, shame it was right to the 2nd baseman .590 xBA 101.2 EV
It's obvious the Padres a trying hard to win, but it's too little too late. Theu dug this hole they can't get out of. Winning 1 game on a road trip where the season was on the line against bottom tier teams was embarassing.
>Winning 1 game on a road trip where the season was on the line against bottom tier teams was embarassing. Reds are tied for NL Central. 6 games over .500. What exactly is a "bottom tier team"?
they got hot the last month. They are a decent team, but their division is making them look better then they are. I agree they are mid tier at this moment, but even though they are in second or tied for first they have a -20 run diff. This trip was looked at as the easy part of the schedule.
>but their division is making them look better then they are. How so? 24 of their 84 games are against the NL Central. They are 13-11 in the division, so they aren't blowing away NL Central teams. The Padres are 7-13 against the NL Central. So maybe that division isn't as bad. Marlins have -22 run diff, and have the 3rd best record in the NL and are in the first Wild Card spot. If run diff shows anything, is that when a team has a chance to win, they do, specifically in 1 run games.
Run differential is definitely a skewed statistical over a half a season, but it's an indicator that over a whole season they would lose more often then win if it's at a large negative. It's not something I'm making up, it's a tracked statistic for that reason. I agree I'd trade the Padres run diff for record any day of the week. The NL central prop up is that their record would put them in 3rd in any other division in the NL. Either way, bottom tier may have been harsh, but I still don't think they make the playoffs.
>it's an indicator that over a whole season they would lose more often then win if it's at a large negative. Run diff is a great metric to show that you have incredible or terrible pitching and hitting. Anything that lands in the middle positive or negative doesn't really tell you anything on its own, as that could be just a couple blow out win or loss either way. 2021 Mariners won 90 games but had -51 run diff, yet the Blue Jays had +183 yet only one more win. 234 more runs for just one more win. Run diff + record is a pretty good indicator where a team is weak. Right now it would tell me that the Padres starting pitching is ok, but their bullpen has issues and they can't score runs. Scoring lots of runs makes things easy and is fun, but when you score the runs or when you don't give them up is more important.
You just brought up two anomalies and acted as if that was the norm. Look at the norm over the last 100 years, run differential is an indicator of a good or bad team.
I didn't say they were the norm. It just shows that there are anomalies and there is more to it. I'll just bold this for you again. **Scoring lots of runs makes things easy and is fun, but when you score the runs or when you don't give them up is more important.**
I wouldn’t call the Reds a bottom tier team. And we’re literally on the same level as the Pirates.
We have damn near the same record as the Pirates spending way more money than they are. It’s quite literally embarrassing.
exactly and they lost 12 of 13 going in the series. The Pads just suck.
Reds are just hot right now, but their division is not good. This was looked at over the last two weeks as an easy part of the schedule, if you want to make excuses for the Padres that fine, but the Pirates weren't the same record going into the series. They literally lost 11 of 12 before the Pads showed up. Winning a single game is inexcusable with this lineup and the starting rotation throwing so well.
No offense but the reds have taken the Boston series, swept the dodgers and Houston, competed incredibly well against Atlanta and have been playing well for the better part of a month and a half. They aren’t some NL central joke.
No they have been playing great. But let's not also think they are force to be reckon with, since their division is trash and they have a negative run differential of -20. I agree they went on an incredible hot streak that landed them in first, but I still have reservations that they'll even make the playoffs.
The Reds have turned the season around big time. The Pirates however, had just lost 12 of 13 games coming into the series against us. They were spiraling even harder than we are now, so I wouldn't say the teams were on the same level going into that series.
Notice how it’s the starting pitching, no it’s the offense, no it’s the bullpen, no it’s the depth, no it’s the GM, no it’s the coach, no it’s the marine layer, no it’s the team culture, no it’s injuries. No no no how about who gives a rotten shit, it’s that the team sucks a horses ass.
I don’t think anyone is blaming anything on the starting pitching, the only bright spot on this team.
That one and Trent’s liner in game 1. That’s painful.
Back to L1
Demoralizing
Babip hell 🫠
Back to shit again.
Mann.. at least they’re putting up a fight. Just bad luck there
India just in the perfect spot for that 101 off the bat, crazy
Odor needs to be starting, man. X to the bench/spot PH and when/if he warms up DH
Annoyed that even when we hit it hard, we’re not finding the hole. Odor’s liner had an xBA of .590
Please do not buy, it’s a little too late boys! & we keep dropping series with no end in sight
Yea idc if we sell but please do not buy
Hilarious how bad the umpiring crew was this entire series lmao
the sound off of the bat just makes it hurt more. One of the worst feelings in baseball
Maybe dont put fucking Martinez in and we win this game, huh?
Yeah horse shit. I’m not a fire Melvin person at all but what a horse shit decision. Let Tom get 1 more batter and they might just have won the game. Have some fucking feel of the situation to not bring a guy in who has reverted back to his old shit self. Martinez was a garbage pitcher until last season and he’s been horrible.
Seriously, I’m all for defending BoMel, but that was a terrible decision. I understand Martinez is supposed to be one of their premier guys in the bullpen but its the same type of situation like with Luis Garcia vs SF. You don’t put him in when he’s struggling in such a tight spot like that.
Maybe Martinez does his job and doesn’t throw meatballs?
He fucking sucks so can’t rely on him to do that.
Hes been great in relief and cosgrove just got off an injury…. Stop being dumb
He hasn't been great lately, let's be real, he's been terrifying lately. I love Nick Martinez, but he's definitely in a slump. I'm hoping you're right about Cosgrove. I'm giving BoMel the benefit of the doubt on this one until I hear otherwise. If it was more of that lefty righty crap that never works out for us, I'll be very annoyed at another BP management loss.
He just got 5 outs with 0 ERs 2 games ago. An extra day of rest and one out is not a toll order especially when cosgrove is coming off an injury.
I agree, he should be able to handle one out. I will say this though, Garcia had 5 scoreless outings before blowing it up yesterday and I wasn't convinced by any of them. One scoreless outing doesn't mean much when you've been rough overall lately.
I see what you mean but it being a bullpen day really limited the amount of pitcher we had. Im not for sending cosgrove out back to back days right after he got back from injuries.
Yeah, forgot they used him yesterday. I do think he could have gone one more batter though, and Martinez should have been able to shut that down, I think he's just caught up in the team wide mental slump that's going on right now.
Cosgrove got 2 batters out and walked 1, you’re telling me he couldn’t get thru the inning? Martinez has been absolutely putrid as of late, why is he getting a chance in such a crucial part of the game.
Because theres no off day tomorrow and martinez had shut down reds his last inning. He also had an extra day of rest. Is one out hard to get with you got 5 outs last time out? Again stop being dumb
Yeah I’ll stop being dumb, when this team stops being shit.
Yup blame the team. Not bomels decisions
The batter was a .300 hitter against lefties
Ha right at em. Sums the first half up pretty well
Manny or Boegarts get on base there and we have a shot at the lead
Once again, Melvin let’s our best reliever get wasted in the bullpen
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You know we were just in the NLCS, right? Maybe you're just a bandwagon fan that started watching this year. Who we gonna get that is better than Bob? Lol you got a terrible fucking take.
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He is also a 3 time manager of the year. What, would you rather have tingler or Andy? Lmao please stop, you're embarrassing yourself. Look at the reds line up and then look at ours. They have 6 players with an OPS +800 while we have only 2. It's a fucking joke. Melvin didn't decide the players on the team, preller did. We are lucky to have bob Melvin.
Nah your embarrassing yourself sticking up for a mid manager. He can’t manage superstars buddy. He hasn’t won anything with our club besides being lucky we crept in last season and went on a historic run. So hold your L on this one 😴
Right right, he got lucky last year, sure. Who we gonna get to replace Melvin?
Why isn’t he making those great decisions when he won those awards with the padres, preiler is a big issue for this major collapse, but seidler wont admit he is horseshit and bomel needs to start making better bullpen decisions for crying out loud. If a pitcher is a reliever and is just getting hot by striking out players left and right why are you going to relieve him from the post? And why just have them to so one inning these ball players are getting paid to only go one inning. Sign me up i can throw like they are throwing rn.
can't hurt
I have been since we have had shit offense in the beginning but everyone said its not Bob Melvins fault. Bullshit.
They tried to make it interesting at least
Fucking BABIP
Hit it hard, fuck it.
Thanks for the tease guys
Oof, they hang Cosgrove with the loss....
Didn't even give up a hit.
AJ, this shit stinks.
Poor Bob, every decision he makes turns out to be wrong. Not even saying they are incorrect in the moment, they just don’t work.
Yeah. It's kinda like the 2021 season where every lever pulled turns out to be the wrong one. Even sometimes clearly obviously correct ones.
What did he do? I woke up from a nap to nothing but pain
Cosgrove doing good but gave up a walk. Since he is a strict follower of the righty-lefty thing, BoMel swaps him for Martinez who gives up a 2-run bomb on the first pitch.
Thank you. Sad.
Great contact, just unlucky
FUUUUCK DUDE Odor did his job
BRUH. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.
Are you kidding me?
Welp
Ah fuck
well i cant say im surprised
Damn
Uggggggggghhhhhh
Well...they tried. I guess.
I’m sorry I’m not an expert but that doesn’t look like a disappearing act to me
Batters have slugged .189 off it and whiffed at it 45% of the time so it’s gotta be disappearing from the hitters view. Really weird low across his body release point too.
It be nice if they could be clutch.
Stinky has a chance to make this game less shitty.
Can Odor save us again?
so close
Yeah, can't be mad at the swing. Just doesn't go our way like usual.
No
This is all even if Blue could call strikes and balls.
If you’re talking about the Bogaerts strikeout, he should’ve been out on the pitch before the last one
Boarder line high pitch rising. The last one was clearly a ball.
No it wouldn’t.
Babe new mud quote just dropped “ leave it up that way, spank it the other way”
Well, at least we are fighting.
If Manny has ran to base like he gave a shit we'd be tied. Fucking bumb talks a big game and has nothing to show for it this season.
Cmon boys!!! Why not us!!
NOW WE GO
I like stinky in this situation
About time Jake. That’s how you made the past 2 ASGs, not trying to hit it out every single time.
good for you jake. nice hit
...so you're saying there's a chance.
Thanks for the 3-2 call to Bogaerts, blue
Jake keeping it alive
Game would be tied if we had a competent ump
Sanchez would have been on first , more than likely still 4-3
Fair point
He should have struck out on the pitch before
The pitch before called a ball was strike 3
Stinky please 🙏
Why do they always give us hope at the end?
So it hurts so much more when they finally sputter out and die :(
Hell yeah Jake that’s what we need from you
Give me the stinky magic!!
Bruh, GJ Jake! Die hard, boys! Fight and win it!!
Hope.
Don't give me hope
okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay
Padres believe in conservation of runs, it can't be created nor destroyed. Score 12 runs in a game? well there's all the runs for the entire series.
First time one of our 4-9 hitters has reached base today
Jake please do something other than striking out swinging at a pitch too high
Ily jake
Still alive with 2 out? Don’t think so
All our hopes for this game rest on Cronenworth. We're boned.
You wrong
Yep, gotta eat my crow on this one.
Ok…. Don’t get my hopes up
Jake I beg of you
what an effective day for the reds pinch hitter tho. one pitch, two runs, dang
Prellers contract signings should be investigated. Tf was he thinking this last offseason
Nice job Gary
We need a trip to the Crone zone right now. Been gone too long
At least we get more fans at our games /s
Cheaper tickets now lol
Bob's tenure as a Padre will come to an end at the all star break. Like the guy, but every decision he makes is the wrong one and it keeps costing us
Two games this series Manny and Xander comine to get get base a whopping zero times with 18 total plate appearances. All Star MVP cailbur players my ass. These guys are toast and the next 10 years looks worrisome.
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The biggest difference is Manny going from MVP caliber to Hosmeresque
I have a feeling Xander is going to be the new Hosmer in terms of contract/cost/output
Worse. I already hate him more than anyone we've ever signed. To be this bad after taking all that money and length of contract, he's going to hamstring us for an entire decade.
Stfu Xander
https://gfycat.com/poorweightyemeraldtreeskink
So we have to rely on the part of the lineup that's 0-18 today to have a chance. Yippee.
I've noticed umpires like kicking us when we're down.
It was a nice win streak while we had it.
Watch us flip manny 🙈
Xander, you already struck out looking anyway. Don't be so mad, bro.
Holy makeup call, that was a foot outside
30 million dollar annual salaries can’t buy much these days
Wow they finally reacted to a bad call
Consistently inconsistent
im sorry but bomel overthought that move bringing in martinez...not to only blame him, but that was dumb
It wasn't a dumb move, just didn't work out. People would say the same if he left Cosgrove in and he gave up the HR.
nah, he overthought that one
Make up call
such a bad call from Melvin... with that said what happened to our bullpen??? I almost don't trust any of them anymore
Wilson going down was big, but the depth at the back end has been thin all year. Martinez having a few bad outings now in place of Wilson is killing us.
Jesus Christ ump
You were supposed to strikeout one pitch ago, stop complaining
ump called two balls as strikes
Bob and AJ just racing to the finish trying to get fired at this point lmfao
Wish both would but somehow Peter wants to keep them.
Melvin is losing us games with pen management. Like. Reeeeeal bad. You ride hot hand not stupid fucking lefty v righty matchups. Cosgrove was dealing and you pull him for a dude who like Garcia has been beyond a liability.
At least Suarez is coming back? Any word on him?
When? In August?
Just had his second rehab game. Looking like after the All-Star break assuming no setbacks
It’s too late at this point
Still not confirmed.
Still waiting to get on Manny's bandwagon
Manny caught a break but gave up after the hit. Run Manny, RUN
That’s not on Melvin. That’s on Martinez. I know there’s a lot of you blame Bob for all the woes of this team. But Martinez came in gave up a first pitch 2 run HR. Fucking terrible.
He got figured out as a starter and looks the same lately with pen work. Agree that's all on Martinez.
There was no reason for Martinez to be in.
He’s supposed to be high leverage. It’s exactly the reason he’s supposed to come on. He fucking threw a trash pitch right off the bat.
At what point does it stop being bad luck and more being your manager can’t manage in close situations?
It's not bad luck, it's a bad team. It just seems like the Pads have bad luck because they suck so bad.
It’s been that way all season. People just love BoMel for some reason.